Re: [Finale] Just bought Finale - is downloadable manual available (or third-party books on Finale)?

[Allen Fisher]

Michael,

This is the main support site: 
https://www.finalemusic.com/support/learning-center/

The manuals and videos are all linked from there 

Allen

> On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> The help files are within the Finale application, in the menu bar.  (I am on 
> FinaleMac 2K11) 
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Michael Edwards  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that, Lawrence and David.
>> Lawrence, would you mind please giving me a link for the help file 
>> section you mentioned?  I tried looking around on the Finale site, but 
>> might have been looking in the wrong area or possibly even the wrong 
>> site.
>> David, I'll make a note of those books and see if I can find them.
>> I will be glad if I am able to get answers here.  But my purpose 
>> in wanting a manual was twofold: I would have something to refer to when 
>> I'm not on the Internet and able to post here; and also I do expect to 
>> have dozens and dozens of probably quite elementary questions, and it 
>> would save a lot of posting of fiddly little questions here (which have 
>> probably been posted dozens of times before) if I was able to find out 
>> at least the more basic things on my own.
>> 
>> Michael Edwards.
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Re: [Finale] To finale list: Coloured noteheads, WHY?

[Allen Fisher]

Are they orange? That might be the auto range checking feature. I can't 
remember off the top of my head how to turn it off though.

Allen

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Sigurdur Jonsson  wrote:
> 
> Dear friends.
> 
> Now, on a new project, some noteheads come up coloured. I don´t think I 
> changed anything.
> 
> According to A-Z in user manual, it is said that in Windows ≥ Score manager I 
> can select coloured noteheads. But my problem is that I can not see that 
> notehead colours have been selected. How can I get rid of this, please?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Diddi
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Re: [Finale] REPEAT SIGN INSIDE A BAR

[Allen Fisher]

Or use the mid-measure repeat plugin.

Allen

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> 
> So, if it is a 4/4 bar, I’d make it two 2/4 bars (or a 3/4 and a 1/4), and 
> hide the time signatures and put the repeat in where you need it.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2017, at 6:40 AM, dr.a.s. weinstangel  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all;
>> 
>> 
>> Never encountered this little problem before:
>> 
>> 
>> How would you go about placing a repeat sign in the middle of a measure?
>> 
>> 
>> TIA for your help.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Allen Fisher]

I agree with Darcy. When reading the score I'd much rather see 6/4. The shift 
to 3/2 causes me to have to think a bit more.

I did an arrangement several years ago where the quarter note stayed constant 
but had lots of meter changes (it was approximating some chant and I wanted to 
use downbeats to line up word stresses). It was much easier to read putting it 
in all x/4

Allen

> On Dec 7, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
> Breaking up the bar asymmetrically like that might work in certain 
> situations, but there are many cases where it will not, and 6/4 really is the 
> best answer. 
> 
> YMMV as they say, but I never lose any sleep over using a binary 6/4 and it 
> has never caused any confusion for performers.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> — DJA
> -
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The conventional answer is 3/2, because as you say, traditionally 6/4 is 
>> compound meter. 
>> 
>> I personally ignore this convention for exactly the reason you describe — 
>> that it suggests that the underlying X/4 pulse changes, and that is 
>> unintentional. In a mixed-meter piece, going from 4/4 to 3/4 to 5/4 to 3/2 
>> causes needless confusion.
>> 
>> Sometimes, conventions are dumb.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> — DJA
>> -
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>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 2:39 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree with David and Raymond, 3/2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> J D Thomas
>>> ThomaStudios
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Lee Dengler  wrote:
 
 I have a theory question for all you theory buffs out there.  I am writing 
 a
 piece that is mostly in a slow 4/4 meter (quarter note =60).  Occasionally,
 I have a measure of 6 beats where the quarter note remains consistent.  In
 those measures, the stress of lyrics falls on beats 1, 3 and 5.  Should I
 make those measures 3/2 or 6/4.   My uncertainty lies in that going to 3/2
 makes it look like the half note gets the beat, but 6/4 is generally
 considered to be a compound meter (3+3).  Any words of wisdom?
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale App Reader for iOS

[Allen Fisher]

They took songbook off the store sadly. I'm not aware of any plans to reinstate 
it or any iOS finale things.

Allen

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 12:59 PM, Giovanni Andreani  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm aware this is probably near to blowing in the wind but, nevertheless, 
> I'll ask just the same.
> Is there any chance to read a Finale NotePad file or a Finale file on a 
> device such an iPhone or an iPad?
> I recall Finale SongBook, although it was for iPad only and, I have the 
> feeling it is not available any more.
> 
> Thank you
> Giovanni Andreani
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Giovanni Andreani
> 
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Re: [Finale] Keeping my staff spacing when reformatting?

[Allen Fisher]

My bad. That's what I get for answering a question too late in the day. 
Christopher is right... Staff spacing is tied to the system. 

Allen

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Christopher Smith 
> <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Umm, I think Allen is talking about MUSIC spacing, not staff spacing. You 
> need to preserve staff spacing, right? Distance between staves in a system? 
> 
> I would have assumed that Finale remembers the space between system NUMBERS, 
> regardless of content. This is where TG Tools might come in handy. If you 
> ever had to create a new system in the middle of a document, you could use TG 
> Tools to copy all the spacings after the new system one system later.
> 
> In any case, if I had a lot of this to do, I would export the Finale as PDF, 
> and write the text in Word and export in PDF, then use Adobe Acrobat or some 
> other PDF manipulator to assemble the pages of text and music and add page 
> numbers. Finale is very frustrating when it comes to this kind of thing.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Okay. Thanks, Allen.
>> Ray
>> 
>> Raymond Horton
>> Composer, Arranger
>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2016 11:50 PM, "Allen Fisher" <al...@fisherartandtech.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, the only thing that can help is to turn off automatic
>>> music spacing and auto update layout (and introduce other potential
>>> problems), but there's no way to lock spacing
>>> 
>>> Allen
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good to know, but I guess what I need is some sort of " lock spacing"
>>>> command.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Raymond Horton
>>>> Composer, Arranger
>>>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2016 10:34 PM, "Robert Patterson" <
>>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> TGTools can copy spacing between systems.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Raymond Horton <
>>> horton.raym...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In this huge score I'm trying to finish up that has pages of text in
>>>>>> between 40 different songs, too often, when I have to move pages
>>> around,
>>>>> I
>>>>>> lose the independent spacing I have done on those staves. Is there a
>>>>>> plug-in or something to help me keep these staves spaced correctly?
>>>>> Finale
>>>>>> 2012, Windows 10.
>>>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Keeping my staff spacing when reformatting?

[Allen Fisher]

As far as I know, the only thing that can help is to turn off automatic music 
spacing and auto update layout (and introduce other potential problems), but 
there's no way to lock spacing

Allen

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Raymond Horton  wrote:
> 
> Good to know, but I guess what I need is some sort of " lock spacing"
> command.
> Thanks
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2016 10:34 PM, "Robert Patterson" 
> wrote:
> 
>> TGTools can copy spacing between systems.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Raymond Horton 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> In this huge score I'm trying to finish up that has pages of text in
>>> between 40 different songs, too often, when I have to move pages around,
>> I
>>> lose the independent spacing I have done on those staves. Is there a
>>> plug-in or something to help me keep these staves spaced correctly?
>> Finale
>>> 2012, Windows 10.
>>> 
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>>> Composer, Arranger
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Windows?

[Allen Fisher]

I’m still having problems with lyric baselines in converted files… I may have 
to submit a support request.

> On 6 Dec, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Wolf <djw...@snafu.de> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have experience with 2014.5 on Windows?  Features? Problems? Is it  
> worth the upgrade or a if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it situation?
> 
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Re: [Finale] Lyric Baselines non-functional in Finale 2014.5?

[Allen Fisher]

Hi JD—

That was something I made sure to do… no luck.

Allen

> On 28 Nov, 2015, at 11:05 PM, J D Thomas <j...@thomastudios.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to be sure, try double clicking on a word in the lyric to make certain 
> you are selecting the correct verse. 
> 
> Sent from my iSomething-or-other
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Allen Fisher <al...@fisherartandtech.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey All—
>> 
>> Using Finale 2014.5 on Mac OS X 10.10. Attempting to adjust baselines 
>> doesn’t move lyrics at all in the files I’m working in… I’ve made sure I’m 
>> in the right layer and all by using the selection tool… Anyone else running 
>> into this? I’ve even tried the Reset Lyric Baselines plugin and that seems 
>> to be non-functional as well. These are files converted from older versions… 
>> can’t remember offhand which versions they’ve been through.
>> 
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[Finale] Lyric Baselines non-functional in Finale 2014.5?

[Allen Fisher]

Hey All—

Using Finale 2014.5 on Mac OS X 10.10. Attempting to adjust baselines doesn’t 
move lyrics at all in the files I’m working in… I’ve made sure I’m in the right 
layer and all by using the selection tool… Anyone else running into this? I’ve 
even tried the Reset Lyric Baselines plugin and that seems to be non-functional 
as well. These are files converted from older versions… can’t remember offhand 
which versions they’ve been through.

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Re: [Finale] Mac OS and Java

[Allen Fisher]

Is 10.11 even out yet? Last public beta I tried barely ran, much less ran any 
software…


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 Any word when Makemusic will release an update to make OS X 10.11 work with
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Re: [Finale] Mac OS and Java

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I put it on an older machine though… Didn’t wanna sacrifice my production rig.

 On 29 Aug, 2015, at 11:13 PM, Jazz-sax ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
 
 No, it's not out.
 
 And actually it seemed to run everything fine and perhaps a little faster.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Allen Fisher al...@fisherartandtech.com wrote:
 
 Is 10.11 even out yet? Last public beta I tried barely ran, much less ran 
 any software…
 
 
 On 25 Aug, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Steve Gruver gruve...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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Re: [Finale] composer with issues again asking for volunteer engraving help

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Ray, I'd be happy to help again... Email me off-list about your time table

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 19, 2015, at 7:54 PM, Giovanni Andreani l...@giovanniandreani.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Raymond,
 
 I’ll be very pleased to help; send one file to me to. Please let me know  
 about specifications regarding the layout, if any, or if you just need those 
 notes in into Finale.
 
 Giovanni
 
 
 On 15 Aug 2015, at 05:13, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Listers,
 
 My Feb, 2014 stair-fall spine injury which followed my October, 2013
 stroke is continuing to improve from daily exercise, Bromelain and
 Lubrisyn (natural supplements - I can't take really anything in the
 way of drugs for it, due to other side-effects from the fall), and I
 am able to do much more work than I could a year ago, but I still find
 myself at the mercy if others.I am asking, again, for engraving help.
 
 I made this request before, in 2014, and the result was amazing.  I
 got help literally all around the world, from these listers:
 
 Dick Hauser (Washington State, US)
 Allen Fisher (Minnesota, US)
 Jim Williams (Indianapolis, IN, US)
 Richard Huggins (Tyler, TX, US)
 
 And, especially, HUGE amounts of help from:
 
 Jón Kristinn Cortez (Reykjavík, Iceland)
 Bruce Kau (Hawaii, US)
 
 Jon and Bruce have already helped a great deal on the new project, but
 they have, uhh, LIVES and can't do it all.
 
 As many of you know (I know how it is, you remember details about some
 people, but not all, on a list like this) I had a stroke at age 60 in
 October 2013, and followed that up with a bad fall on stairs in Feb
 2014 which injured the base of my spine (be careful going down stairs
 - three members of my family are dealing with life-changing injuries
 from a fall down stairs!).  I can't sit for hours at a time like I did
 for YEARS, happily typing away in Finale.
 
 (I am typing this on my laptop, standing, but my Finale chops on it
 are dismal, and the laptop is way too slow. I've tried
 standing-desktop setups and they don't work for me.)
 
 Meanwhile, I am in the middle of a big project, a grant (small, but
 encouraging) to orchestrate the 'Music Play' Franklin's French
 Affair by the late, Pulitzer-awarded composer Ernst Bacon.  I am
 working actively with the composer's widow, Ellen, to finish the work
 that Mr. Bacon's failing eyesight would not allow.
 
 I could really use some help!  When I was healthy, I enjoyed nothing
 more than sitting and making quick arrangements in Finale - did them
 all the time for others, even strangers on the internet, and I am
 thinking there are users like me out there who are still healthy and
 wouldn't mind taking a few minutes now and then to pound out a file or
 two for me.  Yes?
 
 I only need help with STEP ONE: to take pdfs of Mr Bacon's piano-vocal
 MS (quite legible) and input them into Finale - any version.  There
 are about 40 separate songs, some one page, some longer.  I have #1 -
 9 orchestrated already, and Bruce is finishing #10 as we speak. (It's
 quite nice music - which helps!)
 
 Many of you are pros, and have deadlines of your own, but some of you
 may be able to share some work. No money to offer - I am getting a
 little for the finished product, but not enough to spread around,
 unfortunately.
 
 If anyone is with me so far, a message with I'll do one or I'll do
 all I can or whatever is all I need to shoot some pdfs your way.
 
 Thanks for any help!
 
 Raymond Horton
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Re: [Finale] Finalescript frustration

[Allen Fisher]

I forgot about that piece. FinaleScript is not smart enough to match a control 
unless it's spelled exactly

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 wrote:
 
 Hey Allen
 
 yeah the code seems to need an ellipsis (alt+colon) to call the menu
 Tranpose Took me a while even to figure out that particular piece of
 voodoo!
 
 Simon
 
 
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 Hey Simon
 
 That sounds like a bug in the plugin, sadly. Your code looks right It
 doesn't seem to want to recognize that radio button.
 
 Allen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Simon Troup 
 simon.tr...@digitalmusicart.com wrote:
 
 I'd be grateful for a little help with FinaleScript. For about 90 minutes
 now I've been trying every variation of command from thins I've found in
 the manual, forum, articles to get what I would have thought was a very
 straight forward script. This sort of thing happens every time I try and
 use finale script :( in fact, I asked pretty much the same question on
 the
 forum some time ago but no-ne could say how to do this directly in
 finalescript, but maybe someone here knows a solution?
 
 //
 
 work on layer 2
 
 show active layer only
 
 select meas 2
 
 menu item Utilities/Transpose…
 
 click radio Up
 
 click radio Diatonically
 
 pop-up second
 
 press ok
 
 //
 
 So far everything works up until click radio up, which doesn't trigger.
 
 Thanks for reading (if you got this far!).
 
 Simon
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Finalescript frustration

[Allen Fisher]

Hey Simon

That sounds like a bug in the plugin, sadly. Your code looks right It doesn't 
seem to want to recognize that radio button.

Allen

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Simon Troup simon.tr...@digitalmusicart.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'd be grateful for a little help with FinaleScript. For about 90 minutes
 now I've been trying every variation of command from thins I've found in
 the manual, forum, articles to get what I would have thought was a very
 straight forward script. This sort of thing happens every time I try and
 use finale script :( in fact, I asked pretty much the same question on the
 forum some time ago but no-ne could say how to do this directly in
 finalescript, but maybe someone here knows a solution?
 
 //
 
 work on layer 2
 
 show active layer only
 
 select meas 2
 
 menu item Utilities/Transpose…
 
 click radio Up
 
 click radio Diatonically
 
 pop-up second
 
 press ok
 
 //
 
 So far everything works up until click radio up, which doesn't trigger.
 
 Thanks for reading (if you got this far!).
 
 Simon
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Test 3

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I see nothing! Nothing!

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 Anybody see this?
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Re: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question

[Allen Fisher]

There hasn't been a company called Coda in over a decade.

You need to call PeaksWare now.

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 Hilarious (not)  Phones don't work either!  Is there really a company called 
 CODA or is it all fly by night.  I know I have a program... GJB
  From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:49 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question
 
  I've not been able to access the Finale web site: ASK a Question section.  
 Every time I hit the button it takes back to the main page and not to a place 
 for Q's.  This happen last time I tried and where the powers that be at Coda 
 Music  told me to change my web browser away from Safari.  (really teed me 
 that!)  So here I am 1 year later with Chrome and still the same thing.  
 Anyone else having problems like that?
 This click playback no function is getting on my nerves!
 Best
 GJB
 
 
   
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Re: [Finale] Detecting system locks in 1990s Finale

[Allen Fisher]

If I remember right, it's MassMover, select, then cmd-L. I think there should 
be lock icons, may have to go into the view menu to turn them on.

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 Does anyone remember how to tell if a system is locked in 1990s versions of
 Finale? (In particular Fin97, but I think it's the same for earlier
 versions.)
 
 Also, how to manually lock a system.
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Re: [Finale] EMEL Macros in 2.6.3

[Allen Fisher]

Robert, I wish I could remember. I had to read your message a couple of times 
to make sure you indeed asked about EMELs

Hey Randy Stokes, you still around here?

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 Does anyone on this list remember how to invoke EMEL macros in 2.6.3?
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Re: [Finale] Local column about a local composer

[Allen Fisher]

Hear Hear!

Nice Job, Ray!

On 21 Nov, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins tmbr...@centurylink.net 
wrote:

 Thanks for sharing such a heartwarming story. God bless you, Raymond.
 
 Thurletta Brown-Gavins
 
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 On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 Raymond Horton wrote:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/Moss-Column
 
 (Warning - Wife not fond of picture - clutter, old wallpaper, but that's
 what the photog wanted. I am fond of the Stravinsky with Louisville
 Orchestra poster.)
 
 Includes a brief shout-out to Finale-listers Jon Kristinn Cortez and Bruce
 Kau, who were life savers for me.
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
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Re: [Finale] 2014 save it to 2012, what might I lose?

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You'll lose keyless scores (I think they go back to the old behavior), and 
anything else that's new to 2014. I moved a score back to 2012 and it 
transferred without issue, but it was not pushing the envelope either

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 On Aug 7, 2014, at 7:29 AM, James Grant j...@jamesgrantmusic.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Raymond — I had been using Fin2012 (Mac) with several extensive band
 pieces; then, upon upgrading [sic] to 2014, worked on them in that version.
 After a very frustrating week, I transferred both band files back into 2012
 and continued work.
 
 FWIW, there were no issues reverting to 2012, given that context.
 
 Jim
 JamesGrantMusic.com
 
 
 On Aug-6-14, 11:44 PM, a typically idyllic day in Oxtongue Lake, Ontario,
 Raymond Horton astutely commented:
 
 OK, here's one for the acquired wisdom of the list.  What do we lose by 
 taking
 a 2014 file back to 2012? I have a big file and a deadline.  2014 crawls with
 it, crashes periodically, otherwise perfect!  If I save it to 2012, what 
 might
 I lose? I don't want to have to check every square inch of the file.  Is 
 there
 something I can put in to test the reversion? (​Windows)​ Raymond Horton Bass
 Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 
 10:57
 PM, John Blane j...@blanemusic.com wrote:  Return key works for me   JB 
 
 Sent from my iPhone using my thumbs w/out a spellchecker   On Aug 6, 2014,
 at 9:15 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com  wrote:yes ive
 done those.  prefer expressions.  thanks Raymond Horton   Bass
 Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra   Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger   VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com   On Wed,
 Aug 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Allen Fisher al...@fisherartandtech.com
 wrote: As far as I know, you'd need to do a Measure-attached text
 block. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM,
 Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com   wrote: Actually,
 any other version - same q? Raymond Horton   Bass Trombonist,
 Louisville Orchestra   Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC  
 Composer, Arranger   VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com   On
 Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Raymond Horton   horton.raym...@gmail.com  
 
 wrote: FinWin2014 any way to get text in an expression do
 word wrap?   Raymond Horton   Bass Trombonist,
 Louisville Orchestra   Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC  
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Re: [Finale] Win2014 any way to get text in an expression do word wrap?

[Allen Fisher]

As far as I know, you'd need to do a Measure-attached text block.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, any other version - same q?
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 FinWin2014 any way to get text in an expression do word wrap?
 
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014: Looking back, looking forward

[Allen Fisher]

Spotlight hooks into the OS's search system. Depending on what you implement in 
your exporter, you can search on things like clef, key, time, composer, 
etcetera. IIRC you could search for instruments in a document. Really is handy 
when you have a lot of files and need to find a subset quickly. 

The other thing QuickLook gives you is a view of your files in the Cover Flow 
view in Finder windows. 

I used these things a lot and it's a huge bummer they are on hiatus.

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 On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:
 
 Quicklook lets you hit the space bar and see the score, scroll through it 
 etc. without opening Finale or the file. If you're looking through twenty 
 versions of something for a particular thing Quicklook is immediate rather 
 than opening and closing the files. 
 Or for something like a quick check through a folder of orchestral parts. Not 
 having quicklook would be like having no Return key. Of course you can still 
 get stuff done, but not efficiently. 
 
 Steve P. 
 
 On 31 Jul 2014, at 19:29, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
 
 I have no idea what Quicklook and Spotlight are.  Are these Mac things 
 that allow you to preview and print the document without actually 
 opening in Finale?
 
 I could see that could be useful, but that hasn't been a deal breaker 
 for me, as I've never had that capability in the first place.  It sounds 
 like the good news is that because of the new future-oriented file 
 system, once those tools are working, they should continue to work on 
 future releases with minimal or no development work, and that means 
 development resources could be put against other problems.
 
 This is the frustration of doing a major architectural upgrade to a 
 rather old codebase.  Users get the impression that there are few 
 benefits for such a long wait.  But the benefits are there -- they are 
 just realized over a longer time horizon.
 
 
 
 On 7/30/2014 3:59 PM, Steve Parker wrote:
 I'm coming to this late..
 So Finale 2014 doesn't work with quicklook??
 That would dealbreak an upgrade..
 
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Re: [Finale] SFA - composer with issues asking for volunteer help

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Hi Raymond--

I'd be happy to help. I could bang out the first one there for you. What 
version of Finale do you want it in (I've got one or two laying around from my 
17 years of use ;) )

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 Hi listers,
 
 As many of you know (I know how it is, you remember details about some
 people, but not all, on a list like this) I had a stroke at age 60
 last October, and followed that up with a bad fall on stairs in Feb
 which injured the base of my spine (be careful going down stairs - 3
 in my family are dealing with injuries from a fall down stairs!).  I
 can only sit for a few minutes at a time without taking addictive
 pain-killers and have worked for years, and gotten pretty good fin
 chops (though now I have to learn 2014 quickly) sitting.
 
 Plus, as I have mentioned in the last few days, I have had
 major-league computer issues with my super-wiz-bang HP Windows 8
 machine.  I am typing this on my laptop, standing, but my Finale chops
 on it are dismal.
 
 Meanwhile, I am in the middle of a deadline, and even though I have an
 extension I simply must get this work done -choir needs most of it's
 music by the last week of July. It is quite adventurous, involving
 research, narration, and PowerPoint. I have had good luck with some
 great ladies at my church who are helping - typing my dictation and
 doing the  PowerPoint which I am a novice at.
 
 My point, and I do have one (thanks for reading this far) is that I
 could really use some help!  When I was healthy, I enjoyed nothing
 more than sitting and making quick arrangements in Finale - did them
 all the time for others, even strangers on the interwebs, and I am
 thinking there are users like me out there who are still healthy and
 wouldn't mind taking a few minutes now and then to pound out a file or
 two for me.  Yes?
 
 I know that I could have done some of these chores during the time
 taken to write this message, (esp how bad a typist I am on this
 laptop) but I am hoping that the detail will draw some people in to
 sharing some of your skills with me, and interested folks won't need
 the whole story with every request.
 
 I will list some things in this message, and will add more in the
 coming weeks. The project is called Searching For America and tells
 the story of K.L. Bates writing America the Beautiful in 1893 - for
 singer actors, chorus, and chamber orch (strings, 2 fls, 2 trpts, 3
 perc.).  I am making big-time use of folk songs and other existing
 material, such as old sheet-music of obscure tunes that don't have
 midi files anywhere (I use found midi files a lot in this sort of
 thing, but I don't even have the time to spend much time at that now).
  My plan is to give mostly straight-forward arrangements to the
 choir, and contribute more originality to the instrumental and
 narration portions before the prmire in November.
 
 Many of you are pros, and have deadlines of your own, but some of you
 may be able to share some work. No money to offer - I am getting a
 little for the finished product, but not enough.
 
 If anyone is with me so far, here are my first needs.  Any Fin file will do:
 
 1. Type out these songs:
 http://www.loc.gov/item/sm1871.02334/
 
 My wife has already typed the words to the latter - I'll include that
 in my next email.
 
 2. same for some pdfs I can attach to private emails.  simple stuff.
 
 3.  A fin file, as simply scored as possible, of the Sousa arrangement
 of The Star-Spangled Banner -  midi files may be around for that.
 
 A message with I'll do 1 or whatever to the list will help avoid dupes.
 
 More later! Thanks for any help!
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
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Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan fonts and Mavericks

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Hey Chuck--

I think there's a way to auto-annotate fonts that I think was introduced in 
2012. I don't have Finale in front of me, but I remember only having to tweak 
one here and there.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Hi Doug,
 
 I use the FP versions of the fonts, and they work well, although I had to 
 recreate FAN files for FPArticulations (yes, almost all of the symbols - one 
 at a time ugh) to use them in 2014 (also unhappily).  This process may have 
 been a result of not importing earlier FAN files correctly - never sure how I 
 am doing with things like this, but the fonts are working as expected now.  
 There are some I have come to prefer so strongly over the alternatives that I 
 would be unhappy without them - the soft chord slashes and rhythmic notation 
 being the most important.  
 
 All the best,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Doug Walter dew...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 I had one more question about this and remembered this exchange from a month 
 ago.
 
 Which version of the Duncan fonts are folks using successfully - the 
 original, or the updated ones that all have “FP” at the beginning of the 
 name that came with the bundled Finale Productivity Suite sold by NPC 
 Imaging after Bill’s death? I think that package was called Finale 
 Productivity 5.1 (or 5.01?) as opposed to 5.0.
 
 I’m using Finale 2014 (unhappily, I might add, especially considering the 
 “focus” issue when switching back and forth from Digital Performer and 
 having to click in the menu bar *every time* to get the arrow keys to work 
 in Speedy) on a Mac Pro on Mountain Lion and am finally ready to make the 
 jump to Mavericks as all my other software seems to be supported.
 
 The other important issue for me is making sure to have the corresponding 
 FAN files, as I still sometimes run into the problem of misplaced ties and 
 articulations in rhythmic notation.
 
 If anyone who has this working well responds, perhaps it would be helpful if 
 you included the creation date of the Duncan fonts and FAN files you’re 
 using as well.
 
 Many thanks for any info,
 Doug
 
 
 
 On Mar 20, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I'm on Mavericks and am not having any (more) problems than usual with the 
 Bill Duncan fonts — they have always been slightly wonky.
 
 As always, you need to install the PostScript versions — the TrueType 
 versions are a disaster under OS X — and use FontBook to make sure there 
 are no duplicates installed.
 
 It's also very important to make sure the fonts are included in Finale's 
 MacSymbolFonts file.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
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 On Mar 20, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Has anyone had any trouble installing the  Bill Duncan chord fonts in 
 Mavericks? I haven't upgraded to that OS yet but I'm collaborating with 
 someone who has, and is having trouble with the fonts being recognized by 
 the OS.
 
 As always, any help is greatly appreciated!
 
 Best,
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Re: [Finale] (no subject)

[Allen Fisher]

That's the funniest thing I've seen today.

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 On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 For today: King's College Choir announces major change
 
 
 http://youtu.be/ukDAfF0-8q8
 
 
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Re: [Finale] always open with 2012 disabled when 2014 installed

[Allen Fisher]

MUSX is a new file format only openable by 2014. You can export MUSX back to 
MUS via the File menu

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello
 Mac OS.
 I installed Finale 2014 and started messing around and setting up my
 default files and other templates. I still have many files that I'm working
 on in 2012, and I'd like to continue working in 2012 until the project is
 completed.
 However, when I select the file in the Finder and choose Get Info to define
 which app I want to open .mus files, I can choose 2012, but when I click
 the Change All button, it reverts to 2014. Has Finale somehow disabled this
 action? Until the majority of my projects are in 2014, I want 2012 to open
 the files on default.
 And, is there a difference between .mus and .musx file extensions?
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Re: [Finale] always open with 2012 disabled when 2014 installed

[Allen Fisher]

I would think so... Finale doesn't control what program opens what... That's in 
the operating system. Finale will recommend itself to the OS, but the fact that 
the Finder is reverting suggests something else may be wrong.

I suspect your launch services database might be borked. I think MM has a KB 
article on how to reset it. I'm away from civilization at the moment or I'd 
link to it.

Allen

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So is it possible to have 2012 open all .mus files and 2014 open all .musx
 files?
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Allen Fisher 
 al...@fisherartandtech.comwrote:
 
 MUSX is a new file format only openable by 2014. You can export MUSX back
 to MUS via the File menu
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello
 Mac OS.
 I installed Finale 2014 and started messing around and setting up my
 default files and other templates. I still have many files that I'm
 working
 on in 2012, and I'd like to continue working in 2012 until the project is
 completed.
 However, when I select the file in the Finder and choose Get Info to
 define
 which app I want to open .mus files, I can choose 2012, but when I click
 the Change All button, it reverts to 2014. Has Finale somehow disabled
 this
 action? Until the majority of my projects are in 2014, I want 2012 to
 open
 the files on default.
 And, is there a difference between .mus and .musx file extensions?
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Re: [Finale] Where are the preference files?

[Allen Fisher]

Also don't forget Finale  Preferences in that same location

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 On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, David Wolfson da...@davidwolfsonmusic.net 
 wrote:
 
 They're in User FolderLibraryPreferences, called 
 com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist. 
 
 David Wolfson
 davidwolfsonmusic.net
 
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote:
 
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Re: [Finale] F2012 score manager: instrument changes / chromatic instruments

[Allen Fisher]

On May 16, 2012, at 5:37 AM, Jari Williamsson 
jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:

 On 2012-05-16 11:47, SN jef chippewa wrote:
 
 jezzzuz.
 
 viihhhnu.

Buuu

Sorry, in my sleep-deprived state, I couldn't resist...

Sent from my iDon'tCareWhat

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Re: [Finale] (no subject)

[Allen Fisher]

Ok

Sent from my iDon'tCareWhat

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Re: [Finale] FinWin2012 question

[Allen Fisher]

This has been this way as long as I can remember (3.5 was the first version I 
used...)

If you resize a note, anything attached to it gets resized, so that means 
note-attached items go with the note unless they use a fixed-size font.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Christopher Smith 
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote:

 
 On Sun Nov 20, at SundayNov 20 10:34 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:
 
 On 2011-11-20 14:38, Christopher Smith wrote:
 
 Notes was the first thing on my list. When I click a note, the
 entire note and anything attached to it (stem, flag, articulation,
 lyric) gets changed in size. I can't get it to just change the note
 HEAD. Am I missing something?
 
 Resize Notehead To: is the text on the dialog box in the FinWin2012 
 for notehead resize, at least. You can also bring up the context menu in 
 the Resize Tool to see all the 5 levels.
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Jari Williamsson
 
 I stand happily corrected! Is this new in 2012? They don't seem to document 
 these little things.
 
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Re: [Finale] [OT] plural of rubato = rubati?

[Allen Fisher]

I grew up near the town of Nevayduh, Ohio (ohioh or ohiyuh depending on which 
side of I-70 you were on)

But the two best ones, IMHO are the towns of Berlin (BUR-lynn) and Russia 
(Rooshiuh) Ohio...


On 25 Mar, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote:

 ...but it is sometimes neVAYduh, MO (with either mizzuREE or mizzurUH 
 trailing along)
 Aaron J. Rabushka
 arabus...@austin.rr.com
 - Original Message - From: MSO m...@sti.net
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] [OT] plural of rubato = rubati?
 
 
 I would have to agree with Dalvin re: the pronunciation of RO-dee-oh.
 
 There's nothing ignorant about it.  Y'ever been out west?  Regional 
 pronunciation does not connote ignorance; after all: the word has been 
 virtually re-defined as a uniquely Western US event over a 
 century-and-a-half.   Not the same as its Spanish antecedent - event OR 
 pronunciation.  It's RO-dee-oh!   Just as it's Ne-VAA-da and NEVER Ne-VAH-da!
 
 And I would dare say that anyone - specially any 'them green dude Eastern 
 fellers - even that-there Copland-feller (who I understand were born in NOO 
 YORK CITY) who pronounces it any way OTHER than RO-dee-oh don't know what 
 he's talkin' about!!
 
 Although: I DO smile when I write that, pard'ner!
 
 And now: hunkerin' back down in the dark.
 
 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Cell - Emergency only)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA   95338-9641
 
 Trustee Central, California Democratic Council
 Mariposa County Planning Commissioner, District 5
 Chair, Mariposa County Democratic Central Committee
 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
 Past two-term President, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: dalvin boone 
 dalvin.bo...@avenuebroadband.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:42 PM
 Subject: RE: [Finale] [OT] plural of rubato = rubati?
 
 
 John,
 
 I disagree.  RO-dee-oh is an American pronunciation of a Spanish (Mexican)
 word.  There are many examples of such borrowed words that are not commonly
 pronounced as they would be in Mexico or Spain:  Animas as in the Animas
 River; Santa Fe, Santa Rosa, Amarillo, Lamesa, Tucumcari, chile (chili) etc.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
 John Howell
 
 
 As do the feminine alumna and the plural alumni, which are still
 universally used and understood.  Syllabi is commonly used in the
 academy, although it ALMOST seems pretentious.
 
 And then there are those pesky words that seem to be in the middle of
 their transition:  data (always plural) and datum (singular); and
 even worse, media (always plural) and medium (singular).
 
 For some borrowed and assimilated words singers have to make choices
 (unless a composer has made it perfectly clear):  ro-DEH-oh (Spanish)
 or RO-dee-oh (ignorant American!).
 
 John
 
 
 -- 
 John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
 Virginia Tech Department of Music
 College of Liberal Arts  Human Sciences
 Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
 Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu)
 http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html
 
 We never play anything the same way once.  Shelly Manne's definition
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Re: [Finale] {Spam} iPad as electronic music stand

[Allen Fisher]

You know, I thought about that, but my book is pretty heavy for this group (we 
have 50+ winter/xmas/holiday songs that we do) so at least for my purposes it 
will be about the same

I thought about the dropping issue too,  and there are some options out there 
for protecting the pad if dropped that I was considering mounting into a black 
binder (which is what we use anyway)

(Discussion aside, isn't the iPad a blast?)

Allen
On 18 Dec, 2010, at 10:01 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:

 Wouldn't iPads be substantially heavier than an average choral folder, and 
 more likely to be dropped? All the choirs I see have at least one folder drop 
 per rehearsal/concert.
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Sat Dec 18, at SaturdayDec 18 10:54 AM, Allen Fisher wrote:
 
 I am actually looking at setting this up for myself, as part of a small 
 group that I sing with. Since it's choral scores, the iPad's about the right 
 size to display a page.
 
 I was also considering making an app that could take PDF files with a more 
 musician-friendly interface for turning pages (and searching for titles, 
 etc)... but I really don't have the time.
 
 As some of the others have said, I don't think my pad's big enough to 
 display an orchestral part at the right size, however, it might find a home 
 quicker in the choral world.
 
 Sent from my iDon'tKnowWhat
 
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Re: [Finale] {Spam} iPad as electronic music stand

[Allen Fisher]

I am actually looking at setting this up for myself, as part of a small group 
that I sing with. Since it's choral scores, the iPad's about the right size to 
display a page.

I was also considering making an app that could take PDF files with a more 
musician-friendly interface for turning pages (and searching for titles, 
etc)... but I really don't have the time.

As some of the others have said, I don't think my pad's big enough to display 
an orchestral part at the right size, however, it might find a home quicker in 
the choral world.

Sent from my iDon'tKnowWhat

On 8 Dec, 2010, at 8:09 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:

 I can't recall if this has been discussed on tpin or not (but then again I 
 can't even remember what I had for dinner last night) so I thought I would 
 ask if anybody is using an iPad as an electronic music stand.
 
 I've looked into the dedicated Freehand MusicPadPro but am also considering 
 the iPad.  The good thing about the Freehand is the screen size, but the 
 relatively tiny memory would mean a lot of switching files in and out, and 
 it's not good for anything else.  Plus I've read some discouraging comments 
 online about where the company is heading, so I'm a bit reluctant to purchase 
 something where the company might be gone in a year or two.  If anybody is 
 using one of these, please comment on it.
 
 I do know of several music reading apps for the iPad -- MusicReader needs a 
 PC or Mac to convert the PDF files into native file format but there's a free 
 iPad app to read the files on the iPad.  I've purchased the Windows version 
 and am very impressed with the capabilities.  The other one I've found, 
 ForScore, will work directly with PDF files of the music but otherwise seems 
 a bit less capable than MusicReader.  I would welcome comments from anybody 
 using either or both of these.
 
 Is the iPad screen really too small, assuming one has good eyesight (or 
 correctable to 20/20 with glasses) or is it manageable?
 
 Thanks for any/all comments about either device as a replacement for paper 
 music.
 
 And many apologies if this has been discussed before on this list and I've 
 just missed it -- I tend to miss a lot these days ;-).
 
 -- 
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Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: Converting to PDF on a PC

[Allen Fisher]

Hey David--

Looks cool. Does it assault you with ads like PDF 995 did?

I may start recommending this to friends and clients.

Allen

Sent from my iDon'tKnowWhat

On 5 Nov, 2010, at 5:26 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:

 On 11/5/2010 5:41 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
 On 5 Nov 2010 at 14:03, Ryan wrote:
 
 What's the best way to create a PDF file on a PC? Trying to help a
 friend, but I'm a Mac user. Looks like he'll have to get a 3rd party
 program but I'm hoping someone can recommend a good share- or freeware
 option.
 
 The answer depends on the source from which the PDF is going to be
 created.
 
 For instance, if your friend has Office 2007 or 2010, PDF output is
 included (though with early releases of 2007, you had to download it
 and install it).
 
 I have used PDF995 for years, and also use PDFCreator (though the
 latter I use because I can programatically control it from VBA in my
 Access database applications -- it also works as a standard PDF
 printer, though).
 
 I don't know if either of those options have any compatibility issues
 with versions of Windows after WinXP, or if they run on 64-bit
 Windows.
 
 
 On my 64-bit Win7 machine I use a program called doPDF which is freeware 
 and can be downloaded from http://www.dopdf.com/  -- on the PC, with such a 
 program, it installs as a printer-driver which Ryan's friend would choose as 
 the printer from whichever program he's trying to create PDF output from.  I 
 realize most PC users would understand that, but I thought I would include it 
 for Ryan's sake, since he's on a Mac.
 
 doPDF allows you to select the folder to save the PDF file into.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

[Allen Fisher]

My trumpet teacher at Ohio State in the early 1990's insisted that all his 
students learn clefs in order to transpose on sight. Drives all my friends 
nuts... :)

Allen

On 6 Nov, 2010, at 1:22 PM, John Howell wrote:

 As a bonus, once you have learned to use the entire system of movable clefs, 
 they are incredibly useful for transposing music.  Arthur Squires, who sang 
 tenor with New York Pro Musica, had dead perfect pitch and could not sing 
 music that was not in the key they were singing in, BUT he read the clefs and 
 used them to transposed mentally.








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[Finale] Apology

[Allen Fisher]

Hi List--

I need to apologize for my comments to Eric. My attitude was a bit out of line. 
I just get frustrated when I'm contradicted every time I post something to the 
list.

Eric, I'm sorry for my comments, and to the list, I'm sorry that I escalated 
the rhetoric.

Back to your regularly scheduled Finale discussion :)

Allen

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Re: [Finale] Finale and iPad

[Allen Fisher]

I forgot you were the expert on everything. Vine is a better VNC server and it 
supports many compression algorithms that Apple's built in screen sharing does 
not, thereby allowing a better response time. My point was if you want to try 
and use VNC to try and drive Finale from your iPad, there are MUCH better 
options than using something than the built-in Apple screen share.

But I don't know anything at all, working with VNC every day to do 
mission-critical work.


On 28 Jun, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

 Say what? I use the built in screen sharing that comes with every mac. It 
 works great for all kinds of things connecting from my iPad. I'd NOT use 
 Finale or anything with it. I mean, it would take FOREVER to do anything 
 productive with it.
 
 And the Eggplant thing really doesn't do anything more than the built in 
 Screen Sharing if you are using an iPad. I mean, I can't see wanting to run 
 multiple VNCs on my Mac, and the clipboard stuff isn't going to work...
 
 On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Allen Fisher wrote:
 
 You just aren't using the right VNC server... don't use the built-in apple 
 one. It sucks. Download Vine Server (the server portion is free, the Viewer 
 is not) from www.testplant.com/downloads.
 
 It works super awesome.
 
 Allen
 On 26 Jun, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 
 Actually, using the screen sharing feature (VNC) works rather well, but I 
 couldn't imagine trying to do anything productive with Finale using it. 
 Moving sliders and stuff on a DAW, yes, totally, entering notes into 
 Finalenot really
 
 
 
 On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:22 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
 
 
 Why not install a VNC on your iPad, and work on Finale that is running on 
 your VNC server?  I do this with my iPhone when running DAW transport 
 remotely.
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale and iPad

[Allen Fisher]

You just aren't using the right VNC server... don't use the built-in apple one. 
It sucks. Download Vine Server (the server portion is free, the Viewer is not) 
from www.testplant.com/downloads.

It works super awesome.

Allen
On 26 Jun, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

 Actually, using the screen sharing feature (VNC) works rather well, but I 
 couldn't imagine trying to do anything productive with Finale using it. 
 Moving sliders and stuff on a DAW, yes, totally, entering notes into 
 Finalenot really
 
 
 
 On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:22 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
 
 
 Why not install a VNC on your iPad, and work on Finale that is running on 
 your VNC server?  I do this with my iPhone when running DAW transport 
 remotely.
 
 
 --
 - Hiro
 
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Re: [Finale] piano-vocal template?

[Allen Fisher]

You can make a document style or styles with your libraries and settings loaded 
then use them with the setup wizard. No bloat required.

On 17 Apr, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

 I haven't used the set-up wizard in years, as it adds a significant quantity 
 of bloat to a file, in the form of items (articulations, expressions, chord 
 symbols, c) that are not going to be used in my work. Instead, I have built 
 a set of custom libraries, and templates and load just what I need. A Piano / 
 Violin score, and a Piano / Vocal score both start from the same base 
 template, to which I add the necessary supplemental custom custom shape and 
 character libraries I need. Thus, if you compare the expression lists, you 
 will see the expressions con sord and pizz. and arco in the Violin 
 composition, but not in the vocal one, and the expression with closed lips 
 in the vocal one, but not the violin one.

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Re: [Finale] piano-vocal template?

[Allen Fisher]

Use the setup wizard... I use it all the time as the starting point for  
templates and starting with 2009, when you open a template, you get the two 
pages of the setup wizard that let you do clef/key/time and title/composer/etc.

On 16 Apr, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:

 I've recently upgraded to v2010.  I've never used Finale's templates before, 
 since I've got several of my own that I made ages ago and I've always use 
 them to spawn new ones.  But this time, rather than letting Finale convert 
 the files I originally made in some ancient version, I want to start with 
 fresh files created in v 2010, so that my files won't have legacy code hiding 
 in them somewhere waiting to go buggy on me.
 
 I figured I'd start with one of MakeMusic's templates and then edit it to 
 match all my preferred settings, but when I do New  Document as Template, I 
 don't see a piano-vocal template anywhere on the list.  Is it really true 
 that they don't have one, or am I looking in the wrong place?  Seems weird to 
 me they'd omit such a basic layout considering some of the obscure things 
 they do include.
 
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Re: [Finale] doc info appears in finder!!!

[Allen Fisher]

That may not fix it. If the plug-in comes across a file that it cannot  
open for some reason, the OS may disable the plug-in. Launch services  
has very little to do with it. I used to have a utility for managing  
QuickLook PI's… I'll look for it


--AF

On Feb 19, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com  
wrote:



Download this

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/onyx.html

And then go to Maintenance, Rebuild and click LaunchServices and do  
that



On 2/18/10 8:48 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
Allen that feature used to work for me butvstopped for some reason.  
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Re: [Finale] doc info appears in finder!!!

[Allen Fisher]

This is the spotlight metadata for the file. MM started releasing a  
spotlight importer about two years ago


Select a finale file in the finder and hit the spacebar. That will  
really blow your mind


--AF

On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:35 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com 
 wrote:




i just pulled up the info in the finder for the doc i'm working on  
and notice that the file info fields show there (title, composer  
etc), along with duration, page size, time and key sigs, # of pages,  
tempo, font list, default font and a list of all staves in the doc!


is this a snow leopard thingy?

sexy!

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Re: [Finale] [OT] my 1st mac laptop -- suggestions?

[Allen Fisher]

Hi Jari--

It depends...Mac Pro's (the old cheese graters with a good intel  
processor) max out at 32...iMacs max out at 16...Mini's at 4


Hope this helps.

Allen
On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:

A related question: How much memory is maximum on the Mac desktops?  
I'm thinking of buying a new computer and the largest Windows  
machines seems to be at 16 GB.



Best regards,

Jari Williamsson


SN jef chippewa wrote:
it's finally time to put the mac mini to rest.  wondering of anyone  
has any comments about these configs.  i'm trying to figure out  
what is my best option for price, power, portability and  
functionailty.
working with F2010 these days and the only other hogs i run are  
photoshop (from time to time) and dreamweaver (well, not really  
that heavy an app).  i.e. i don't usually do any real heavy graphic  
work. and i'm moving around quite a bit in recent years, although  
usually for extended periods, so i bring monitor with me.
base models and price of upgrading to 4G / 500 GB HD / applecare  
(end of message is same in more detail):

macbook 13.32.26 GHz1375 EUR
macb pro 13.32.261670
macb pro 13.32.531785
macb pro 15.42.532085
i'm considering the 3rd option, since i have a very new 24  
viewsonic so am thinking the 13 might be sufficient for portable /  
on the road work.  i imagine for all real work i will work at  
home, but i have never owned a laptop so am unsure how my working  
habits might change. 1st is not worth considering unless they put a  
firewire port in it.
a few suggestions from friends have been: buy memory somewhere  
other than apple to save a few bucks; don't buy through apple store  
to save even more bucks; if you can afford the 15 the improvement  
in visuals is important (but 500g heavier and larger to transport).

BASE MODELmacbookpropropro
screen (in)13.313.313.315.4
speed (GHz)2.262.262.532.53
RAM (GB)2244
HDsize  (GB)250160250250
EXTRAS
4 GB RAM 909000
500 GB HD135180135135
applecare add250250250350
extra costs475520385485
base rate EUR900115014001600
total incl. extras1375167017852085
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Re: [Finale] scale page vs. scale system

[Allen Fisher]

Click on the link at the bottom of every message you get from the  
list...


On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:50 AM, vivia...@aol.com vivia...@aol.com  
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Re: [Finale] F2007 printing Glitch

[Allen Fisher]

Hi Dick--

Try turning off Smart Hyphens and Word Extensions in lyric options. I  
think it might be an errant word extension.


On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Dick Hauser wrote:


Ok, that was interesting:

I deleted the eight measures that had the underline in them, and  
printed the document again.  When I printed the document, the line  
was still there (just under the lyrics of the eight measures that  
were moved up to take the place of those I had just deleted).


I loaded the original file and created a ~.ps file.  I dragged that  
into my word processor (Pages on the Mac) and got a 300+ page of  
printer instructions that I'm overwhelmed by.  It's a repeating  
general pattern of pages where we have about ten pages of stuff like  
this:


***
%!PS-Adobe-2.0
%%Title: Friday Night Zikr Viola.mus
%%Creator: Finale 2007
%%CreationDate: (12/4/09) (8:29 AM)
%%Pages: 2
%%DocumentFonts: (atend)
%%EndComments
%%BeginProlog
/FinaleDict 100 dict def
FinaleDict begin
/finPSvers (3.8.2) def
/bdf{bind def}bind def
/ldf{load def}bdf
/m/moveto ldf
/L/lineto ldf
/t/show ldf
/C/curveto ldf
/gs/gsave ldf
*
Followed by 30 or so pages of stuff like this:
**
8A10F4835E26BA827FD2A9C8EFFD2C327C3949FD7C3AA55AFA19124FD7E02669902D18A14B2641139B33273C6BC193BCAA33AB6A6E805FBE6499331681A0D2BF5BE5A6A4C785408CFF4ACD345FD67EA053023602E1316CA9EABE1C4A91D14089768D19EBAF62EB25064AFB05CE9AD44B962D2CFB398C77F144FC6699486116C35D0419858CCB10036A2528E3A38E64A3C7B2102894D7FFCEDDD60077E68296FDAAC6A194B8A311C0A97AEAA6862F6BB5F6C326CF3E527BFF48F608D7AC02A76E6
**
Those two different kinds of patters repeat a bunch of times till we  
get to the end of the 320 or so pages.


I know some of you could make sense of what was going on there, but  
honestly, I don't think I have the skills to understand an  
explanation, much less try solutions at this level.


However, when I double click on the post script file, it is opened  
by the Mac app Preview.  And sure enough, the line is there.


So it looks like I've imbedded some character that draws a line at  
that point.   Best solution is probably to re create the file.


I don't have time (as I just said in a previous post) to redo the  
whole file today, but I'm convinced that it's the only way that I'll  
get a clean print.


Thanks all for your time.

Dick H
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Re: [Finale] Off Topic: Where to purchase piano music

[Allen Fisher]

I was going to mention Pepper, but my favorite store from my Ohio  
years is Stanton's:


http://www.stantons.com/

They have a great staff and ship promptly.

On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Horace Brock wrote:


You might also try J.W. Pepper, home office in Pennsylvania, or online
at

www.jwpepper.com

They have stores all over the country. Access the website and click on
Locations.  It gives a list of stores with physical addresses and
phone numbers.

There's also www.sheetmusicplus.com, but I think they lean more toward
pop music.

Horace Brock

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:01:45 -0500, you wrote:


A non musician friend of me asked me where he could by the printed
music of Complete Chopin Piano Works, Vol 10, Etudes, edited by
Ohlsson. In years past I would have suggested Patelson's in New York
City, but they're no longer in business. Any ideas? Either online or
somewhere where you can speak to a real person over the phone?

Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Martin








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http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search

http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner

http://sbmp.com/SeeItNowFolder/SeeItNowMen.html

http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID=

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Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1

[Allen Fisher]

What are you talking about?

On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Howey, Henry wrote:


Has Sibelius again shown MM how to do their job?

I speak of the information on accessing RAM and optimizing one's  
machine for doing so.


MM must get on the bandwagon and give us this info.




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Re: [Finale] WinFin 2010a is a bust

[Allen Fisher]

Uhhh...Music Spacing and Update Layout work fine for me...what  
expression bug are you seeing?




On Oct 25, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Howey, Henry wrote:

It seems that the STAFF LISTS may be back as of old, but the NOTE  
SPACING and UPDATE don't work at all.


The EXPRESSION TOOL bug that will cause FINALE to ceash is back with  
a vengeance.


If you've not updated, I'd wait

BETA, hell, we're ALPHA testers;-(


;-)


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Allen Fisher]

Rafael Ornes is the guy that (at least used to) run CPDL. He used to  
be a member this list, but have not heard from him in a very long time.


On Oct 25, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:


Good day:

My editor Brian Clark recently discovered that one of his editions
just appeared on cpdl.org. He's having a hard time though getting any
action because the website seems to be running on automatic (meaning
people can upload files without any moderator approving them or
checking for copyright violation). Basically it appears that a person
lifted the first page sample on my editor's website, re-entered that
into a notation program, and then proceded to post it on cpdl.org.
THEN they ask for anyone for a complete copy of the sheet music!


Brian also blogged about this @ http://bc16661.wordpress.com/ and his
email contact is bc16661 @ gmail. com

Thanks for any help.
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Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

[Allen Fisher]

Yup didn't intend to trim that much. Mea culpa.

On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


On 23 Oct 2009 at 18:55, Allen Fisher wrote:


On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:


Finale QA team is the same team that provides
tech support,


Nope. Not how it works at MM. QA is indeed separate from customer
support. Has been as long as I can remember.


Good to know.

I do wish you'd quoted more carefully. What I actually wrote was:

   If I'm right that the Finale QA team is the same team that
provides
   tech support,

I doubt that you trimmed that intentionally, but I don't like being
misquoted here, as it implies I said something I didn't.

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Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

[Allen Fisher]

Nope. Not how it works at MM. QA is indeed separate from customer  
support. Has been as long as I can remember.


Allen

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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

[Allen Fisher]

Boys! What did Chris tell you!?

:-D

On Oct 22, 2009, at 7:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


On 22 Oct 2009 at 19:56, dhbailey wrote:


David W. Fenton wrote:

On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey wrote:


There's
no way to know


Why don't you meditate on that one -- treat it as your koan for the
day.


Because I've got better things to do, such as figure out how
to piss you off in these messages.  :-)


Piss me off? You're my entertainment for the day!

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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

[Allen Fisher]

I suggested this when I worked at MM, but P2P has such a bad  
rap...despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the perception of  
P2P in the world is that it's only good for violating copyright.


On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Gerhard Torges wrote:


Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith:

It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day,  
probably because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading  
it at the same time as I had the previous day.


Seems like a good candidate for peer-to-peer distribution. ;-)


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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

[Allen Fisher]

This is a bad example. Apple controls all the pieces here, MM cannot  
force Tobias to spend time updating the full version of TGTools.


On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Again, this points to MakeMusic. One of their most important plugin  
developers (or the best one IMHO) doesn't have his plugins ready for  
the release of program? That would be like Apple shipping a new iPod  
and having iTunes not work fully with it.


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Re: [Finale] Piano Duet Layout

[Allen Fisher]

Hi--

The last project I did, I did two separate files. It's really not all  
that bad to combine the PDFs if you have a tool like CombinePDF (easy  
and free) or the product that Adobe FrameMaker (not-so-easy and not  
free) became.


On Oct 11, 2009, at 9:16 AM, dhbailey wrote:


Michael Lawlor wrote:

[Finale 2009]
Does anyone have any advice on how to produce a performing score  
for piano duet with the secondo part on the left page facing the  
primo part on the right page?

Regards,
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You've gotten good replies already -- here's my suggestion:

1) enter the music in page view only;
2) calculate just which measures you want on each set of facing pages;
3) enter the music for each page just as you wish it to appear  
(forget about playback of anything more than a single page of a  
single part);
4) create two different page headers, one for the Secondo Part and  
one for the Primo Part, each set to appear only on left page or  
right page accordingly;

5) Set the measure number regions, one for each page;

This should allow you to end up with a single Finale file which will  
print just as you wish without the bother of having to go to PDFs  
and interlacing the pages to get the proper printout.


If I've omitted any important step, I'm certain someone will point  
that out.  :-)


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Re: [Finale] Hauptstimme

[Allen Fisher]

If Finale would support Unicode (ahem ;) ) this would be useful,  
unfortunately not.


And Fenton's correct...this just means there's a spot for it in the  
spec...I was a member of the Unicode Consortium for awhile. If you  
have $150 you don't need and want to hear arguments about characters  
in Burmese or what current glyphs can be combined to form a character  
in ancient Hebrew...the UC is a great place to be ;-)


On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:46 PM, John Howell wrote:


At 3:02 PM -0700 9/8/09, Ryan Beard wrote:

Hi List,
I'm looking for Hauptstimme and Nebenstimme symbols. Can anyone  
recommend a font?
I'm sure this has been covered before, but I can't find it in the  
archives or in the Finale documentation. Thanks

Ryan


I don't understand the page, but take at look at 
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1d1a6/index.htm

John


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Re: [Finale] Hauptstimme

[Allen Fisher]

Since Finale 97: Help--Character Sets (or something similar...) The  
printed docs before that did as well.


On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:


 Is
there a section in the online manual about the additional fonts? Or a
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Re: [Finale] Included Fonts (was Hauptstimme)

[Allen Fisher]

Toccata and Fughetta are freeware fonts and have not been included by  
MakeMusic ever.


On Sep 10, 2009, at 4:52 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:


I'm sure they are not included.
Harold



At 23:30 -0700 09/09/09, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Included Fonts, according to the Finale 2009 install disc are:

Maestro
JazzFont
Engraver Font
Petrucci (Legacy)
Seville (Legacy)
Tamburo (Legacy)

So it seems that Toccatta or Fughetta are not included. But they  
seem to be out on the web.


http://www.efn.org/~bch/fullpackage.html

For shareware.at least according to the 4 year old webpage...


On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:30 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


On 9 Sep 2009 at 20:45, Chuck Israels wrote:


I've been using Finale since v. 1 and had no idea Toccatta was
included.  Don't know if that's MM's fault or mine.


I'd be interested to know if you have it on your computer, since you
obviously didn't acquire it yourself. Maybe I'm just wrong that it  
is

(or was) distributed with Finale -- I've had it (and its mate,
Fughetta) for so long that I can't say for certain whether it came
with Finale or if I acquired it elsewhere.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2010

[Allen Fisher]

What do you know that the ROW doesn't?

On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

I'd be happy if they were still in business 5 years from  
now...


On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:30 AM, David
Stonestreetda...@stonestreet.com.au wrote:

I hope Finale really is amazing 100 years from now!   :-)

On 27/07/2009, at 12:58 AM , Ray Horton wrote:

I was having some problems with Finale Windows 2110 and playback.   
Right
now I have none, either from Garritan or midi, and have returned  
to 2009b

until I get some time to mess with 2110 some more.


I liked many of the new features, though!   Such as the ability to  
import

any type of graphic file.

(Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...)


Raymond Horton


David Stonestreet wrote:


On 15/07/2009, at 12:44 AM , jarms...@aix1.uottawa.ca
jarms...@aix1.uottawa.ca wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Just signed on after a long absence. Has there been any  
discussion of

Finale 2010?

Thanks.

John Armstrong
University of Ottawa
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Not a word.

No complaints or discussion.

No comparisons to Sibelius.

No flame wars.

Nada


;-)


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Re: [Finale] OT: notepad full vs. demo

[Allen Fisher]

Nope. That's why it's cheaper.

On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, shirling  neueweise wrote:


- pick-up measures
- time sig changes within the document
- key changes within the document
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Re: [Finale] Mac Authorization problems

[Allen Fisher]

There's definitely something wrong with the update. I've got a few  
anecdotal reports of some stuff, none of which is Finale related. Some  
of my coworkers have lost the ability to use their USB printers, in  
one case the printer is no longer usable, and also seems to now have  
trouble editing PDF forms since the update.


On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Funky Bear Music wrote:

Yeah, there's several threads in the Finale forums on MakeMusic's  
web site about it.  I think I've reauthorized mine maybe 5 or 6  
times.  They say there's some kind of hardware thing and they were  
asking people to send in system profiles.



On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Brian Williams wrote:

Has anyone else had problems losing Finale 2009 and 2010  
authorizations on
Mac computers running OS 10.5.7? I've had to reauthorize both  
versions twice
and call customer service to clear out previous authorizations.  
Apparently
Finale thinks you're using a different computer every time you  
reboot.


Brian


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Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

[Allen Fisher]

Oh for the love of...they're NOT removing speedy. I don't know how  
these rumors get started...it's like when they would release mac/win  
separately and one group or the other would think their platform's  
getting dropped because their platform wasn't first.



On May 29, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:

I had heard that they were thinking of eventually folding the Speedy  
functionality into the Simple tool, or combining them into one at  
any rate, kind of like what they did with the Mass Edit and the  
Selection Tool. If they do it carefully, it could be very  
beneficial. I think the Selection Tool move was a very good one.


I don't know if they did it in 2010 or not. We'll have to wait.

Christopher



On May 29, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't  
list it?


Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it
the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really
officially monitoring the list..

Manthis would be terrible.

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Stephen Lambjstephenl...@jslweb.com 
 wrote:

http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/simplenoteentry.aspx

Under Entering Notes, they list:
- Simple note entry
- Hyperscribe
- MicNotator
- Scanning

Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry?


Stephen


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Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced

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Methinks he hit it on the head ;)

On May 29, 2009, at 9:54 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


Are their marketing people (i.e., the people who write the
promotional copy) just ignorant of the fact that Speedy exists and is
very important to a crucial portion of their user base?


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Re: [Finale] Tuplets with Unequal Values

[Allen Fisher]

With the simple entry caret showing, enter the first note (making sure  
it's selected), hit 9 on the num pad, change the duration to quarter  
note and enter it.


On May 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Pablo Castells wrote:



Hi everyone!



What's the most straighforward non-cheating way in Simple Edit mode  
to enter tuplets containing different values (for example one eighth- 
note-triplet-eighth-note followed by one eighth-note-triplet-quarter- 
note)?




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Re: [Finale] hiding rests

[Allen Fisher]

Speedy or Simple entry, click on the rest and type H. With the rest  
selected in simple you can move it with the arrow keys.


I believe O was equated with Obfuscate ;-)

On May 4, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Phil Daley wrote:


At 5/4/2009 05:15 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:

At 5/4/2009 04:54 PM, Lee Actor wrote:

You can also hide/unhide notes and rests with the H key.  Seems  
more

intuitive to me than O.

I select the Note Position Tool and it puts a handle above the rest.

I click the handle and it selects.

I press H, O, * whatever, nothing happens.

Speedy, speedy...

AHhhh.  Thanks you.  My wife will be pleased that I fixed it for her.

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Re: [Finale] importing Score files into Finale

[Allen Fisher]

I recommend either scanning or entering from scratch, having not seen  
the score, I would probably reenter it. Score is really frustrating to  
get installed (it is a DOS program) much less learn for one project;  
there's not much demand for it these days


On Apr 25, 2009, at 6:45 AM, dhbailey wrote:


Bonnie Janofsky wrote:

There is an opera where the first third of it is already
input in Score, the old notation program for PC.  Has
anyone tried inputting Score files into Finale?  Was
there much editing to do?  In the import menu, Score is
listed.
I was given very old Score files which of course did not
open in Finale and had .ham as the suffix.  Which would
likely be best for that portion of the score already
input?  The score can be printed as is but needs to be
input to create parts.  The other two thirds of the score
of course I was going to input into Finale.  Or should I
learn Score?  I'm great at learning programs quickly but
would think that Score wouldn't hold a candle to Finale
and this is a complex classical full orchestra score.
I can try and get a hold of the Score files, and/or scan
those score pages already complete into Finale using
SmartScore X Pro (although my scanner is letter size and
the score pages are tabloid - so I'd have to either
reduce them or scan in 2 parts), and/or I could purchase
Score and learn the program.  I thought that Score was
discontinued long ago but found one site on the web where
a new version of Score 5 is sold.  I think importing the
Score files would be fastest and the best choice if they
come across pretty clean.  There is both a tabloid sized
full score and also a piano vocal that is letter sized.




As you say this is a complex classical full orchestra score, most  
likely scanning won't save you very much time over entering from  
scratch, as frustrating as that sounds. Scanning isn't nearly close  
to 100% accuracy, so you'll need to check (and quite likely edit)  
all the notation and the lyrics may well get screwed up in the scan/ 
import process. Scanning the current tabloid pages in 2 parts won't  
work at all, based on my importing experience (admittedly not much  
since it's so frustrating and inaccurate for anything other than  
simple music).


Buying Score and learning Score to enter 2/3 of the full score,  
compared to entering the whole score into Finale, it seems to me  
that first off you will need to know whether Score will run on your  
computer.  It's a DOS program, isn't it?  not all of them will run  
anymore, so you'll need to do research.  Then you'll need to take  
the cost of Score plus the learning curve -- it's quite different  
from any of the Windows notation programs, from what I have heard  
although I have no experience with it.


My choice, were I in your position, would be to enter the entire  
thing from scratch into Finale so that you will have a complete  
score which will (knock on wood) be openable in future versions of  
Finale should future editing be necessary.


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Re: [Finale] How do I upgrade an old Finale file?

[Allen Fisher]

vMac is much easier to use versus sheepshaver--you'll just have to  
find a ROM file I think. Been a while since I used it.


On Apr 15, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:


First upgrade them to the last Fin 2 version. (Finale 2.6.3., I
believe.) Then open with Fin02, then Fin09. But since you use Mac this
is likely to be a daunting task. You may need to use Sheepshaver, but
getting that working is a chore in itself. The last time I did this, I
gave up and re-edited the whole thing.

If you used Independent Key Sigs and had clef changes, you will have
to re-do all the clef changes.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Randolph Peters
randolphpet...@shaw.ca wrote:

I've got some old Finale files from 1991 that I want to work with and
re-edit in Finale 2009.

The files look like Unix files on my Mac, but Finale 2009 does open  
them. I
can't even remember what version I was using in 1991, but it would  
have been
the current version at the time. The problem is that there are way  
too many

errors and bad conversions when I open them in Finale 2009.

Some people on this list have kept old versions of Finale around  
for just
this purpose. Before I reinstall some old versions of Finale to try  
and
gently bring these files into the current version I thought I would  
check

with the wisdom of this list.

What versions of Finale do I need to start the conversion process,  
and which

ones can I skip?

Thanks!

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Re: [Finale] OK button bug

[Allen Fisher]

Click the title bar of the db after you click the button. This is  
Apple's fault not MM's this time. It's an OS bug that Apple  
acknowledged. Dunno when it'll be fixed.


On Mar 30, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:

Finale 2008 is so buggy I asked MakeMusic my money back or a free  
upgrade. They never answered me. I've been using Finale since  
version 2, paid a lot of money in upgrades.  I am angry at  
MakeMusic. I bought a defective product, I think they should replace  
it with a good one,or give me a refund, like when you buy a  
defective radio... TV... but no, they couldn't care less, as long as  
lots of people keep buying their lousy and useless upgrades. I felt  
cheated and switched to Sibelius. I'll never buy another Finale  
upgrade. However, I still have lots of music written in Finale which  
I need to edit. So, here's one of the bugs I am trying to avoid:


Very often the OK and Cancel buttons do not respond to mouse  or  
trackpad clicks on my Macbook (OS 10.5.6). Is this a common bug? Is  
there a way to avoid it? Something I shouldn't do?  Drives me nuts.,  
if anyone has a suggestion, I am listening. Thank you.

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Re: [Finale] printing to pdf from 2009b

[Allen Fisher]

You should send this in to support as a case (include your file). I  
know from personal experience that they are very interested in keeping  
things like this in check.


On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Scott Amort wrote:


Hello All,

I decided to try a new project in Finale 2009b and have come across  
a major problem printing to PDF. I have Adobe Acrobat 9.1 (full  
version) installed, and am running on Vista Ultimate 64-bit. When I  
try to print to the Adobe PDF driver, I get an error:


thunking spooler apis from 32 to 64 process has stopped working

After a bit of searching, I discovered that this process is invoked  
when printing from a 32-bit application to a 64-bit driver. So, it  
seems the culprit is Vista. However, Finale 2009 is the only  
application that gives me this error. And, Finale 2008a prints just  
fine to this driver. This suggests Finale 2009 is at least partly to  
blame. Has anyone else with a similar setup run across this issue?


Also related, it appears that the compile postscript listing command  
is broken in 2009 (on my setup, at least). It uses strange font  
references that distiller doesn't know what to do with, and  
generates a postscript file that is not plain text, so it is  
difficult to examine to see where the problem lies. Does anyone on  
the list use the compile postscript listing? It has never worked  
properly for me (it sort of works in 2008, but the actual music ends  
up displaced off the page with only a small portion visible on the  
edge).


Best,
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Re: [Finale] Chords - Fretboard

[Allen Fisher]

Can't you just turn on fretboards and select where you do not want  
them to appear and do Utilities--Change--Chord Assignments and  
uncheck fretboards?


On Mar 24, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Hi Larry,

Thanks. Ouch, that is a bit painstaking if you only want two  
fretboards at the top of the chart! But good to know it can be done.


Cheers,

- Darcy
-
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On 24 Mar 2009, at 1:35 PM, Larry Beekman wrote:


Hi Darcy,
It turns out that what I said in my last post is, in fact, exactly  
what I did:


1. show fretboards (fretboard appear for every chord - so you're  
right, it is global)
2. turn off fretboards you don't want one by one in the chord  
definitive dialogue box.


There might be an easier way, but I'm not aware of it. If anyone  
else knows a better way, let me know.


Larry
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On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Hi Larry,

Actually, when I check Fretboard for one chord, it shows  
fretboards for every chord.


FinMac2008.

Cheers,

- Darcy
-
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Brooklyn, NY

On 23 Mar 2009, at 2:44 PM, Larry Beekman wrote:


Hi Darcy,
You can. You just have to check or uncheck fretboard for each  
chord. Its not global.


Also, thanks for all the help you (and everyone) else have  
unknowingly given me. I don't write in much, but I read most of  
the posts. I glad  there's actually something I can help with for  
a change.


By the way, I don't see my posts come back to me from list so I'm  
never sure if they actually make it. Is that normal?

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On Mar 23, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


I asked this before and didn't get a response:

Is it possible to show fretboards for only selected chord  
symbols? Or are we confined to a global all-or-nothing setting?


- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] hidden notes spacing

[Allen Fisher]

When the layer pop-up (or button on windows) is set to any other layer.

I didn't realize you had anything attached to those notes. Mea culpa.  
Move them to layer 2 and uncheck affects music spacing in layer  
options.


On Mar 15, 2009, at 8:20 AM, dc wrote:


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Re: [Finale] hidden notes spacing

[Allen Fisher]

Actually, if you go into layer options and select hide layer when  
inactive before you move, you shouldn't have any surprises, provided  
you are in Layer 1.

On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:29 AM, dc wrote:


Allen Fisher écrit:

Layer 2, yes, voices 2 no.


Thanks, Allen. So, what if I move my hidden voice 2 to layer 2? Am I  
in for any bad surprises? Such as changes in stem direction, added  
rests, etc.


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Re: [Finale] hidden notes spacing

[Allen Fisher]

Yup. Check that option for layer 2 (or whatever layer you decide to  
use). Then as long as you don't go into that layer you'll not see  
those notes...

On Mar 14, 2009, at 12:20 PM, dc wrote:


Allen Fisher écrit:

Actually, if you go into layer options and select hide layer when
inactive before you move, you shouldn't have any surprises, provided
you are in Layer 1.


Thanks, Allen. Yes, I'm in layer 1, but then I'll move voice 2 to  
layer 2, so I assume that's where I should check this option?


Dennis



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Re: [Finale] authorization

[Allen Fisher]

In versions starting with either 2007 or 2008, you can transfer the  
license right from the application.


On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:03 PM, dhbailey wrote:


Lawrence David Eden wrote:
When I tried to install an old version of Finale on a school Mac  
(2K4c) MakeMusic declined my attempt because I had the software  
installed on too many computers.  What I was trying to do was  
upgrade the school's hard drive with a newer model.  Finale had  
been authorized on the old hard drive.
Did I fail to copy over the original authorization?  What did I  
omit? How does the software know where the authorized hard drive  
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When you install Finale on a computer, it gathers information  
internally such as the hard-drive brand and size and other  
specifications, the CPU model and speed, how much RAM you have  
installed and other info, quite possibly including specs from the  
video card.  From that data, it constructs a number which is unique  
to your computer and sends that number to MakeMusic which generates  
an answering code and the two are stored on your computer -- they  
have to bear a certain relationship to each other or Finale thinks  
it's been installed on a different machine.


Noel was right that usually all you have to do is contact MakeMusic  
and explain what you're doing and they'll re-allow one of the  
installations and you should be all set to get it activated again.


You can't really copy the authorization from one machine to another  
(or even one hard drive to another) because they're very hardware  
specific and won't work on different hardware.


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Re: [Finale] hidden notes spacing

[Allen Fisher]

Layer 2, yes, voices 2 no.

On Mar 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, dc wrote:

Is there any way to get Finale to ignore hidden notes in voice 2 for  
the spacing?


Thanks,

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Transitioning...

[Allen Fisher]

Thanks to all well-wishers in my new endeavor. I appreciate the  
sentiment, and I will continue to be on the list.


I apologize for not returning emails sooner, but my computer was in  
the shop. Don't let your wife drop your laptop ;-


On Mar 1, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Hi Allen,

Good luck -- and deepest thanks everything you've done for all of us  
over the years!


Cheers,

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Hello List--

Since I have a bit of a different relationship with you all, I  
figured I should let you know that I am leaving MakeMusic. Before  
anyone panics, it has nothing to do with the health or the  
direction of the company, I was presented with an opportunity that  
I cannot pass on.


As a continuing Finale user, I will continue participating on the  
list, just know that I won't be down the hall from the developers  
anymore.


Best Regards,
Allen

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Re: [Finale] Importing from Word to Finale

[Allen Fisher]

I use this for most of my clients, delivering one PDF.

You don't need acrobat to do it, though, just google CombinePDF on mac  
(free), and I think Foxit or PDF995 on windows will do the same for  
free...


On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

Actually, probably the easiest way to to this, as long as music and  
text are not present on the same page, is to use Acrobat to combine  
the Finale and Word documents.


Johannes

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[Finale] Transitioning...

[Allen Fisher]

Hello List--

Since I have a bit of a different relationship with you all, I figured  
I should let you know that I am leaving MakeMusic. Before anyone  
panics, it has nothing to do with the health or the direction of the  
company, I was presented with an opportunity that I cannot pass on.


As a continuing Finale user, I will continue participating on the  
list, just know that I won't be down the hall from the developers  
anymore.


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Re: [Finale] Changing group attributes AFTER optimising

[Allen Fisher]

Don't feel too bad...I forgot that too. ;-)

On Feb 23, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:

THERE ya go! I missed setting the group attributes in SCROLL view. I  
was doing it in page view.


Thanks a bunch! Works great!

C.


On Feb 23, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote:


Hello Christopher,

In Scroll view set your group attributes. Then run the plugin:

-TGToolsLayoutUpdate Groups
-Check Rebuild All groups from scratch

Hope this helps,
Steve


2/22/09 2:49 PM, Christopher Smith  
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote:



I just realised that I forgot to set my piano group to NOT show the
group name in my piano-vocal extraction. I have optimised and
respaced individual staves very carefully, which I will lose if I
remove optimisation, set the group name not to appear, then optimise
again. Now that I have optimised, I apparently can only turn off
group name appearance for INDIVIDUAL staves. Do I have to do this
thirty times (once for each system) or is there a global way? I need
the piano name to appear in the score still.

Thanks

FinMac2009b

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Re: [Finale] change fonts in multiple files (in a batch?)

[Allen Fisher]

Haven't tested this but:

batch process folder//or process all open docs
swap font [oldFont] with [newFont] in lyrics


On Feb 20, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Christer Wallstrom wrote:


I have a serie of musicfiles where I want to change fonts (lyric and
textblock)
Can anyone help me we suggestion how to do this - with a script??

THANKS

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Re: [Finale] Editing

[Allen Fisher]

iTunes allows you to convert among a few formats, but that's it AFAIK.

--AF

On Feb 13, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Dean M. Estabrook d.e...@comcast.net  
wrote:


I  haven't seen any capabilities in iTunes for editing. Perhaps I  
just don't know where to find them.


Dean

On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:48 PM, noel jones wrote:

As I recall, even iTunes, for either platform, will permit editing  
and it's free


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Re: Desktop (Was: [Finale] Splash screen)

[Allen Fisher]

Didn't OS/2 have one too? or did Star predate that?

On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Phil Daley wrote:


At 2/10/2009 09:38 PM, John Howell wrote:

If I remember correctly, the desktop concept or analogy (which is
clearly what David meant) was original with Apple, and was stolen by
Microsoft, which unaccountably won the subsequent lawsuit.  So by the
time Windoze came along that was all ancient history.

Nope, they both stole it from Xerox Star.


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Re: [Finale] Splash screen

[Allen Fisher]

Nope.

On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Barbara Touburg wrote:


Is there a way to suppress it at startup?

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Re: [Finale] Splash screen

[Allen Fisher]

Is there a particular reason that you want to disable it?

On Feb 10, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:


dhbailey wrote:

At least that's what's happened with other programs I've used which  
allow the user to turn off the splash screen -- I just look at the  
desktop for longer before the program actually starts.


I usually look at my monitor! :)

(Don't like Window$ that much)
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Re: [Finale] Setup Wizard empty measures

[Allen Fisher]

Thirty-one measures are what fit on a page in the default file.

--AF

On Feb 8, 2009, at 7:11 AM, dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com 
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Johannes Gebauer wrote:

On 07.02.2009 Allen Fisher wrote:
In 2k9, simply type the number of measures you want on the last  
page of the wizard.
I must say, I find this another nuissance. I don't want 31  
measures, so I have to remember to change it. Since I keep  
forgetting I have to do it all again, or delete the measures. OK,  
not a big deal, but why? Make the wizard more customizable, it will  
make it much better.


While I agree with you on this being a nuisance, I don't find such a  
thing all that bothersome since most of the music I would be  
entering into a score started from the wizard would have more than  
31 measures.


I do wonder how such a random number was arrived at, though.  Why  
not 8, since much music is built of 8-measure phrases, or 16 to get  
a double-phrase started, or 32 to fit a 32-bar pop song format?


Where did 31 come from as a default?


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Re: [Finale] Setup Wizard empty measures

[Allen Fisher]

In 2k9, simply type the number of measures you want on the last page  
of the wizard.


--AF

On Feb 7, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
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Can I stop Finale from creating 31 empty measures with the Wizard?

Johannes


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Re: [Finale] How to select a TOOL with a keyboard shortcut ?

[Allen Fisher]

Save it in your default file.

On Feb 3, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Michael Greensill wrote:

control-option and the key (fghjkl;) to bring up the palate to  
program it, then control and the key after that to select it.David


Wow! I've been looking for this for years. It's so easy to miss  
stuff or not find the right words to look it up in the manual.


But not being able to save it from document to document is a drag.

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Re: [Finale] Incorporating FINALE into music training

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Howey, Henry mus_...@shsu.edu wrote:


One thought was to use NOTEPAD as an introductory version. I have  
been trying it out and find that its limitations (in spite of having  
MusicXML import/export) are too annoying to abide. A vigorous  
supporter of SPEEDY ENTRY, I find SIMPLE ENTRY beyond frustrating to  
use.


Well, what about the students? I've always found Simple Entry easier  
to teach beginners. For example, if you want to enter an A on the  
staff, just type A on the keyboard. A staccato? Hit the star key and  
type S. You can also enter expressions from simple as well. I find  
that much easier than trying to explain what all the things mean in  
the frame.


I do not want anyone to think I don't like speedy, but from the  
perspective of someone new to music notation software, I believe  
Simple to be much easier to learn.


Notepad or PrintMusic are all I ever recommend for beginners. Let them  
outgrow it--AFIK, your purchase price is applied to any move up to  
Allegro or Finale.




For fast entry, I teach SHARPEYE. I also like Myriad's PDF TO MUSIC  
PRO. These are especially useful for advanced theory courses like  
counterpoint and orchestration. I have several other scanning  
programs, but clunky, old SHARPEYE still gives me the best results;-)


I have always liked Hal Owen's tutorials and believe they are skill- 
appropriate for even novice musicians as they present FINALE in a  
mode that speaks to us as musicians


A secondary goal is to increase the usage of our computer lab.

I would appreciate on and off-list input from list-members about  
this idea.


I have SIBELIUS and maintain a current license in each upgrade. I  
even had a student who was using it for a tech course I taught in  
the past. What he and I discovered was that SIBELIUS lacked the  
flexibility to handle multiple screens and to copy items across  
files, all possible in FINALE. I realize our students might find  
them in situations where SIBELIUS has been adopted by a school  
system, I simply see it as inoperative beyond doing a project from  
scratch.


Another strike against SIBELIUS is the FINALE-SMARTMUSIC  
connection. As a


I will be working on this all semester for incorpaoration by Fall  
2009. Please share your opinions and experiences with me;-)


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Re: [Finale] Question for the pros

[Allen Fisher]

Don't forget your own 8 hungry children ;-)

On Jan 24, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:

As a last resort, say that you are an orphan. Maybe he will take  
pity. 8-)


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Re: [Finale] Question for the pros

[Allen Fisher]

I charge USD$200 per hour for rush jobs. My normal per hour rate is  
much lower than that. I normally charge by the page and/or frame for  
Finale work.


On Jan 24, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:



On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:10 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:

I work with a youth band, and we are having a fairly big concert  
soon as a fund raiser.  One of the several Guest Artists that will  
be performing with us is a local celebrity of a sort, and performs  
regularly with small combos around town, and has written several  
tunes that he does with combos.


He asked the director of our group (the guy who does all of the  
booking) if we would be able to do one of his tunes, and the  
director said sure then the next day asked me if I could do an  
arrangement.


So I have 5 days to do a complete big band chart with only a sparse  
lead sheet.


What would you charge to do such a thing?


As much as possible. 8-)

Try asking what he can pay. He might surprise you and offer more  
than you would have asked. If he offers something you can live with,  
take it. If not, counter-offer or decline.


In the negotiations, try pointing out how last-minute it is, so you  
should be paid more. As a last resort, say that you are an orphan.  
Maybe he will take pity. 8-)


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Re: [Finale] Align articulations vertically

[Allen Fisher]

Go into page view, turn on rulers, strike a guide, and snap the  
articulations to it.


I actually made a library of fingerings as shape articulations, but  
that's not near as quick as what you want.


On Jan 23, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Lawrence Yates wrote:


I do it by entering the fingerings as lyrics.

Cheers,

Lawrence

2009/1/23 Funky Bear Music funkybearmu...@mac.com


Anybody know if there is a quick way to vertically align several
articulations?  I use them for fingerings and want to line up the  
fingerings

for a chord.  Thanks


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Re: [Finale] Document Styles

[Allen Fisher]

You're right. We did do it for both in 2k7. For some reason, I thought  
it was added to something in 2k9, but it wasn't.


On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:


On 22.01.2009 Allen Fisher wrote:

It's new to 2k9 for articulations


Funny that it works in 2k7.

Seriously, that can't be. I have been using this for ages. Perhaps  
it is new for expressions?


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Re: [Finale] Document Styles

[Allen Fisher]

It's new to 2k9 for articulations

--AF

On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Johannes Gebauer li...@musikmanufaktur.com 
 wrote:



On 22.01.2009 Christopher Smith wrote:
Another new thing that simplifies my life immensely is replacing  
articulations in specific passages. If you select several  
articulations at once across several notes or staves, then double- 
tap the metatool key for the new articulation, they switch! Like I  
want to change the staccato to a tenuto, I select all the  
staccatos, hit E twice, and they are all magically tenutos now!


This is not that new, though, it is in Fin2k7. I even remember beta- 
testing it then.


Johannes

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Re: [Finale] Notation for buzzing a bassoon reed by itself (Somewhat OT)

[Allen Fisher]

Set the Repeat counter in the playback controls to 1

On Jan 20, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:

when using the playback controls on Fin 2009 Mac OS 10.4.11 I get a  
message to enter a number between 1 and 1.


Can this be fixed?

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Re: [Finale] strange error message

[Allen Fisher]

This got fixed in 2009

On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:

And I don't know if other people have this problem, but on my Mac I  
haven't been able to use Check Document Fonts Against System Fonts  
for several versions now, and across three different computers. It  
finishes its process with no message, even though I KNOW there are  
some fonts in the document that don't exist on my system.


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[Finale] TAN: Printer Problem

[Allen Fisher]

Hi List--

My laser printer ( a Rico AP2610) pretty much jams every time I try to  
use it.


I've had the printer for a few years, and it's still got plenty of  
toner, so I haven't done a Maintenance Kit deal on it. I'm guessing  
I'm not worshiping the laser printer gods correctly, or else there's  
the fact that I don't know a whole heck of a lot about printer  
maintenance. Software, not hardware peripherals be my specialty.


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Re: [Finale] strange error message

[Allen Fisher]

In Fin2k9b, go to Document--Data Check--File Maintenance. Do the  
full treatment.


Then, run Document--Data Check--Font Utilites. Check Check Document  
Fonts Against System Fonts and click OK. Fix any remaining font  
things that come up.


For those with 2k9 initial release or earlier, we merged all the font  
related options in the Data Check sub-menu (and added a couple of new  
ones) into the new Font Utilities dialog for 2k9b.


On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:55 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


In my version of Finale these are
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Re: [Finale] Corni in E

[Allen Fisher]

Just read it as a regular horn part, in alto clef ;-P -- I was taught  
to use clefs to transpose on the fly...


Yep this is right. (I just looked it up...) I hate odd transpositions.

On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:41 PM, John Howell wrote:


At 6:59 PM +0100 1/18/09, Barbara Touburg wrote:
I'm working on some movements of Mendelssohn's  
Midsummernightsdream. He uses Corni in E. I assume these are French  
horns (normally in F). I've trouble setting up the transposition  
correctly. Currently I have the interval as -4 and the key alter as  
+4, but it must be wrong, because it sounds horrible. What might I  
be doing wrong?


Yes, horns in E, a halfstep lower than today's F horn.  But for  
Mendelssohn, as for Beethoven and others in the early 19th century,  
there was no normal F horn.  The hand horns they used were crooked  
into a variety of keys, of which F was only one.  Mozart seems to  
have favored the slightly richer sound of the Eb and D horn.  And it  
the wedding music for Midsummernight's Dream Mendelssohn use the  
brighter G horn.  (Not as bright, though, as the A horn in  
Beethoven's 7th symphony!)


The rule of thumb is this:  The E horn is a minor 6th lower than  
concert pitch.  Therefore it must be noted in a key a minor 6th  
higher, and in notes a minor 6th higher.  (I think!  I have to re- 
figure it out every time the question comes up, and I could well be  
incorrect.  But that's how you approach it.)


John


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