Re: [Finale] Re(2): Finale 2014.5 Update Missing

[Ryszard Pusz]

Caveat emptor - morals and business just don't mix.

Ryszard

On 05/01/2017, at 10:06 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:

> On 1/5/2017 6:24 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
>> Thank you David,
>> 
>> Just turned the "check update" function off
>> 
> 
> I'm happy to help.
> 
> I think it's a horrible thing for software companies to do that -- tell 
> us there's an upgrade to our current version available when actually 
> they want us to buy a completely new version.  I've got another piece of 
> software which keeps telling me the same thing, only it says "Important 
> update for your current version."  No, it's not an update of the current 
> version, it's a brand new version which will cost me money to get.  Sleazy!
> 
> It's telling that "the new version is 2014.5 2500.0.0.7722" -- that 
> tells me that even the folks at rocky-mountain-high-exercise-company (or 
> whatever the name of the current owner of Finale is) consider this new 
> version to be simply an extension of 2014.5 and not the totally new 
> version they advertised it as.
> 
> Why can't software companies be more honest with their users?
> 
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Re: [Finale] Re(2): Finale 2014.5 Update Missing

[David H. Bailey]

On 1/5/2017 6:24 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
> Thank you David,
>
> Just turned the "check update" function off
>

I'm happy to help.

I think it's a horrible thing for software companies to do that -- tell 
us there's an upgrade to our current version available when actually 
they want us to buy a completely new version.  I've got another piece of 
software which keeps telling me the same thing, only it says "Important 
update for your current version."  No, it's not an update of the current 
version, it's a brand new version which will cost me money to get.  Sleazy!

It's telling that "the new version is 2014.5 2500.0.0.7722" -- that 
tells me that even the folks at rocky-mountain-high-exercise-company (or 
whatever the name of the current owner of Finale is) consider this new 
version to be simply an extension of 2014.5 and not the totally new 
version they advertised it as.

Why can't software companies be more honest with their users?

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[Finale] Re(2): Finale 2014.5 Update Missing

[Giovanni Andreani]

Thank you David,

Just turned the "check update" function off




Giovanni Andreani

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>On 1/5/2017 5:49 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
>> Running Finale 2014.5 for Mac. On opening, Finale's software update
>window advises me that a new update is available; it also specifies the
>new version is 2014.5 2500.0.0.7722 while my actual version is 2014.5.7098.
>> Once reached Finale's website I can't find any evidence of such a
>downloadable update.
>> Has anyone experienced the same issue?
>>
>
>Yes -- they're pointing you to the Finale25 upgrade which you have to buy.
>
>They won't be bringing out any new updates of Finale2014.5 so you can 
>turn off that "check for updates" function.  Or simply ignore that 
>message when it appears.
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Update Missing

[David H. Bailey]

On 1/5/2017 5:49 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
> Running Finale 2014.5 for Mac. On opening, Finale's software update window 
> advises me that a new update is available; it also specifies the new version 
> is 2014.5 2500.0.0.7722 while my actual version is 2014.5.7098.
> Once reached Finale's website I can't find any evidence of such a 
> downloadable update.
> Has anyone experienced the same issue?
>

Yes -- they're pointing you to the Finale25 upgrade which you have to buy.

They won't be bringing out any new updates of Finale2014.5 so you can 
turn off that "check for updates" function.  Or simply ignore that 
message when it appears.


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[Finale] Finale 2014.5 Update Missing

[Giovanni Andreani]

Running Finale 2014.5 for Mac. On opening, Finale's software update window 
advises me that a new update is available; it also specifies the new version is 
2014.5 2500.0.0.7722 while my actual version is 2014.5.7098.
Once reached Finale's website I can't find any evidence of such a downloadable 
update.
Has anyone experienced the same issue?

Giovanni




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Re: [Finale] 2014.5 Playback - again!

[Steve Parker]

Yes, I've encountered it, but not fixed it. 
A bug. 

Steve P. 

> On 3 Dec 2016, at 14:44, Michael Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> This is a problem I encountered with earlier versions of Finale. 
> Suddenly, one instrument's volume drops so it cannot be heard (very 
> faint if playing solo) but then a few bars later, it plays at the 
> correct volume again.  I never got a solution before but worked around 
> it by deleting the affected bars and re-entering the music.
> 
> This time, I re-entered the music and it played back correctly, so I 
> deleted the bars with the problem but now the re-entered music has 
> inherited the same problem.  It is as if there is a virtual area and 
> whatever lies over it gets affected.  Has anyone else encountered this 
> and managed to fix it?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael Lawlor
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[Finale] 2014.5 Playback - again!

[Michael Lawlor]

This is a problem I encountered with earlier versions of Finale. 
Suddenly, one instrument's volume drops so it cannot be heard (very 
faint if playing solo) but then a few bars later, it plays at the 
correct volume again.  I never got a solution before but worked around 
it by deleting the affected bars and re-entering the music.

This time, I re-entered the music and it played back correctly, so I 
deleted the bars with the problem but now the re-entered music has 
inherited the same problem.  It is as if there is a virtual area and 
whatever lies over it gets affected.  Has anyone else encountered this 
and managed to fix it?

Regards,

Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[GERALD BERG]

Yes. Definitely one for the archives! GJB

  From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 1:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA
   
On 5/4/2016 12:27 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> So, eventually, after tediously trying multiple installs, I finally managed 
> to manually locate and remove all Garritan and Plogue files from my computer. 
> I had had already tried Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
> Support, and ~/Library/Preferences, but it turns out there are also files in 
> Library/Audio that need to be removed to get a clean reinstall. (ARIA really 
> needs to come with an uninstaller.)
>
> I also had to remove all sample files.
>
> After that, doing a complete reinstall in the following order worked:
>
> GPO4
> JABB3
> Finale 2014.5 (Garritan Instruments and ARIA player)
> ARIA Player v1.872
>
> An absolute nightmare that took untold hours, but at least I’ve got the GPO 
> and JABB instruments back.
>
> In future, it would be nice to know if there were a less brute-force method.
>

Wow -- what a nightmare!  I'm sorry you had such a tough time with it!

Thank you for sharing it with the list in case that problem happens to 
someone else.



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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[David H. Bailey]

On 5/4/2016 12:27 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> So, eventually, after tediously trying multiple installs, I finally managed 
> to manually locate and remove all Garritan and Plogue files from my computer. 
> I had had already tried Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
> Support, and ~/Library/Preferences, but it turns out there are also files in 
> Library/Audio that need to be removed to get a clean reinstall. (ARIA really 
> needs to come with an uninstaller.)
>
> I also had to remove all sample files.
>
> After that, doing a complete reinstall in the following order worked:
>
> GPO4
> JABB3
> Finale 2014.5 (Garritan Instruments and ARIA player)
> ARIA Player v1.872
>
> An absolute nightmare that took untold hours, but at least I’ve got the GPO 
> and JABB instruments back.
>
> In future, it would be nice to know if there were a less brute-force method.
>

Wow -- what a nightmare!  I'm sorry you had such a tough time with it!

Thank you for sharing it with the list in case that problem happens to 
someone else.



-- 
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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[Darcy James Argue]

So, eventually, after tediously trying multiple installs, I finally managed to 
manually locate and remove all Garritan and Plogue files from my computer. I 
had had already tried Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
Support, and ~/Library/Preferences, but it turns out there are also files in 
Library/Audio that need to be removed to get a clean reinstall. (ARIA really 
needs to come with an uninstaller.) 

I also had to remove all sample files.

After that, doing a complete reinstall in the following order worked:

GPO4
JABB3
Finale 2014.5 (Garritan Instruments and ARIA player)
ARIA Player v1.872

An absolute nightmare that took untold hours, but at least I’ve got the GPO and 
JABB instruments back.

In future, it would be nice to know if there were a less brute-force method.

Cheers,

– DJA
-
http://www.secretsocietymusic.org

From: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
Reply: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
Date: May 4, 2016 at 12:31:07 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
Subject:  Re: Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA  

So after a complete reinstall of JABB (including reverting to Aria 1.091), the 
Aria player *still* only recognizes “Finale Default Bank.” I tried removing all 
Aria and Plogue items from Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
Support and ~/Library/Preferences and reinstalling Arian 1.091 and the only 
thing I’ve succeeded in doing is making it worse — now Aria won’t even 
recognize “Finale Default Bank.” If anyone has any troubleshooting tips I’d be 
most appreciative, as (of course) I am on deadline.

Cheers,

– DJA
-
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From: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
Reply: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
Date: May 3, 2016 at 5:22:29 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
Subject:  Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

Hi all,

Can someone explain what the trick is to get the latest version of ARIA Player 
to recognize GPO4 and JABB3?

I’ve followed the instructions here:

http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5381/~/setting-up-garritan-sound-libraries-in-finale-and-printmusic

The result is that instrument libraries show up as options in Finale 2014.5, 
but the instrument samples don’t load.

I’ve also tried directing ARIA (latest version) to my Applications folder, 
which contains the “Garritan Jazz and Big Band 3” and “Garritan Personal 
Orchestra 4” folders. These libraries then show up as “User” libraries in the 
ARIA player but the samples still don’t load.

Has anyone gotten this to work?

Cheers,

– DJA
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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Darcy,

I'm in NY and away from Finale, but I have not had anything like this problem. 
And a Finale support guy told me how to set up the score manager so that JABB 
can be selected directly there, circumventing going into the Aria player most 
of the time. I know this may not be much help, but I don't know why this 
problem is occurring. 

Are the support guys no help?

Chuck 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> So after a complete reinstall of JABB (including reverting to Aria 1.091), 
> the Aria player *still* only recognizes “Finale Default Bank.” I tried 
> removing all Aria and Plogue items from Library/Application Support, 
> ~/Library/Application Support and ~/Library/Preferences and reinstalling 
> Arian 1.091 and the only thing I’ve succeeded in doing is making it worse — 
> now Aria won’t even recognize “Finale Default Bank.” If anyone has any 
> troubleshooting tips I’d be most appreciative, as (of course) I am on 
> deadline.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> – DJA
> -
> http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
> 
> From: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
> Reply: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
> Date: May 3, 2016 at 5:22:29 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
> Subject:  Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA  
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Can someone explain what the trick is to get the latest version of ARIA 
> Player to recognize GPO4 and JABB3?
> 
> I’ve followed the instructions here:
> 
> http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5381/~/setting-up-garritan-sound-libraries-in-finale-and-printmusic
> 
> The result is that instrument libraries show up as options in Finale 2014.5, 
> but the instrument samples don’t load.
> 
> I’ve also tried directing ARIA (latest version) to my Applications folder, 
> which contains the “Garritan Jazz and Big Band 3” and “Garritan Personal 
> Orchestra 4” folders. These libraries then show up as “User” libraries in the 
> ARIA player but the samples still don’t load.
> 
> Has anyone gotten this to work?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> – DJA
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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[Darcy James Argue]

So after a complete reinstall of JABB (including reverting to Aria 1.091), the 
Aria player *still* only recognizes “Finale Default Bank.” I tried removing all 
Aria and Plogue items from Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
Support and ~/Library/Preferences and reinstalling Arian 1.091 and the only 
thing I’ve succeeded in doing is making it worse — now Aria won’t even 
recognize “Finale Default Bank.” If anyone has any troubleshooting tips I’d be 
most appreciative, as (of course) I am on deadline.

Cheers,

– DJA
-
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From: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
Reply: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
Date: May 3, 2016 at 5:22:29 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
Subject:  Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA  

Hi all,

Can someone explain what the trick is to get the latest version of ARIA Player 
to recognize GPO4 and JABB3?

I’ve followed the instructions here:

http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5381/~/setting-up-garritan-sound-libraries-in-finale-and-printmusic

The result is that instrument libraries show up as options in Finale 2014.5, 
but the instrument samples don’t load.

I’ve also tried directing ARIA (latest version) to my Applications folder, 
which contains the “Garritan Jazz and Big Band 3” and “Garritan Personal 
Orchestra 4” folders. These libraries then show up as “User” libraries in the 
ARIA player but the samples still don’t load.

Has anyone gotten this to work?

Cheers,

– DJA
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[Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,

Can someone explain what the trick is to get the latest version of ARIA Player 
to recognize GPO4 and JABB3?

I’ve followed the instructions here:

http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5381/~/setting-up-garritan-sound-libraries-in-finale-and-printmusic

The result is that instrument libraries show up as options in Finale 2014.5, 
but the instrument samples don’t load.

I’ve also tried directing ARIA (latest version) to my Applications folder, 
which contains the “Garritan Jazz and Big Band 3” and “Garritan Personal 
Orchestra 4” folders. These libraries then show up as “User” libraries in the 
ARIA player but the samples still don’t load.

Has anyone gotten this to work?

Cheers,

– DJA
-
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Re: [Finale] Exporting Audio, Finale 2014.5 Mac OSX Yosemite

[Graeme Gerrard]

Finale seems to default to whatever the last audio driver installation there 
was.  I have used Soundflower for ages, but and that messed things up. I 
uninstalled it but I also run Audio Hijack and Instant On, and that confused 
Finale too!
Whew!
Dunno if any of this is useful to you.



> On 26 Feb 2016, at 7:17 pm, Gippo Mercoli  wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> some time ago i asked if someone had my same problem: exporting audio with 
> Finale 2014 (2014.5 too..) on Mac osX Yosemite.
> Lot of you seemed to have the same problem.
> I hope I did not loose any solution deleting mails, but now I’m able to 
> export audio just changing bank instrument.
> Kontakt 5 in bank 1 and Finale exported very well in wave format.
> 
> If this issue has been already solved, sorry! 
> 
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[Finale] Exporting Audio, Finale 2014.5 Mac OSX Yosemite

[Gippo Mercoli]

Dear list members,

some time ago i asked if someone had my same problem: exporting audio with 
Finale 2014 (2014.5 too..) on Mac osX Yosemite.
Lot of you seemed to have the same problem.
I hope I did not loose any solution deleting mails, but now I’m able to export 
audio just changing bank instrument.
Kontakt 5 in bank 1 and Finale exported very well in wave format.

If this issue has been already solved, sorry! 

-- 
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www.clubgippo.com
www.ga-music.com 
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Re: [Finale] [UPDATE] neueweise fonts v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5

[SN jef chippewa]

hi michael, sorry, forgot to mention that bit -- through private contact :-)

cheers,
jef


At 6:16 AM + 1/20/16, Michael Mathew wrote:
>Hi,
>How do I download the updates?Thanks,Michael 
>Mathew mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com 
>http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl 
>http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 3:53 PM, SN jef 
>chippewa <shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
>
>
>neueweise fonts have been updated and now work 
>perfectly on Finale 2014.5. A potential
>cross-platform incompatibility was also 
>corrected on one character (thicker version of 
>the straight flag). Version 1.002 is now 
>available. Free upgrade to anyone who purchased 
>v. 1.000.
>http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html

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[Finale] [UPDATE] neueweise fonts v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5

[SN jef chippewa]

neueweise fonts have been updated and now work 
perfectly on Finale 2014.5. A potential 
cross-platform incompatibility was also corrected 
on one character (thicker version of the straight 
flag). Version 1.002 is now available. Free 
upgrade to anyone who purchased v. 1.000.
http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html

neueweise fonts will work in traditional / 
classical notation, not just new music, but are 
specifically designed for new music notation 
needs. :-)

[CONT] http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts/neueweise_chippewa.pdf
[TRAD] http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts/neueweise_beethoven-webern.pdf
[PERC] http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts/neueweise_spahlinger.pdf

have a look, hope you enjoy!
jef chippewa

==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==

NEUEWEISE -- FONTS FOR NEW MUSIC AND TRADITIONAL NOTATION

Designed to respond to the diverse needs of New 
Music notation, the neueweise font family 
enhances the look of any score. The Notes, 
Articulations and Pitches fonts can also add a 
modern touch of elegance to your Classical music 
score.

Character charts and examples using neueweise fonts can be found on this page:
http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html


The Fonts

Notes -- Noteheads common to New Music, as well 
as rests, and straight and angled flags.

Articulations -- A range of articulations, bow 
markings, fermati, tremolos with 1-5 bars, 
fingernail, guitar pick, slap tongue, Bartók 
pizz. and more.

Pitches -- Standard accidentals and quarter tones 
(flats and sharps), as well as inflected versions 
(arrows up/down) and smaller versions with 
brackets; also round and square brackets for use 
with notes and accidentals.


Use and Design

Although neueweise fonts were designed 
specifically for New Music, they work perfectly 
for traditional notation as well. Some notable 
features of the font set:

- Accidentals contains quarter tones and 
inflected (arrow up/down) quarter tones;
- Inflected accidentals are legible even in reduced size scores;
- Narrower width of some characters saves 
horizontal "real estate" in the score;
- Unified width of many noteheads ensures 
consistent appearance using alternate noteheads;
- A bold and stylish design will make your work 
stand out, musicians love your scores.


Finale Users

Font Annotation files (FANs) are included for 
each font. A stem connection library is included 
with Notes; an articulation library is included 
with Articulations.

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Re: [Finale] [UPDATE] neueweise fonts v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5

[Michael Mathew]

Hi,
How do I download the updates?Thanks,Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com 
http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ 

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 3:53 PM, SN jef chippewa 
<shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
 

 
neueweise fonts have been updated and now work 
perfectly on Finale 2014.5. A potential 
cross-platform incompatibility was also corrected 
on one character (thicker version of the straight 
flag). Version 1.002 is now available. Free 
upgrade to anyone who purchased v. 1.000.
http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html

neueweise fonts will work in traditional / 
classical notation, not just new music, but are 
specifically designed for new music notation 
needs. :-)

[CONT] http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts/neueweise_chippewa.pdf
[TRAD] http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts/neueweise_beethoven-webern.pdf
[PERC] http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts/neueweise_spahlinger.pdf

have a look, hope you enjoy!
jef chippewa

==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==

NEUEWEISE -- FONTS FOR NEW MUSIC AND TRADITIONAL NOTATION

Designed to respond to the diverse needs of New 
Music notation, the neueweise font family 
enhances the look of any score. The Notes, 
Articulations and Pitches fonts can also add a 
modern touch of elegance to your Classical music 
score.

Character charts and examples using neueweise fonts can be found on this page:
http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html


The Fonts

Notes -- Noteheads common to New Music, as well 
as rests, and straight and angled flags.

Articulations -- A range of articulations, bow 
markings, fermati, tremolos with 1-5 bars, 
fingernail, guitar pick, slap tongue, Bartók 
pizz. and more.

Pitches -- Standard accidentals and quarter tones 
(flats and sharps), as well as inflected versions 
(arrows up/down) and smaller versions with 
brackets; also round and square brackets for use 
with notes and accidentals.


Use and Design

Although neueweise fonts were designed 
specifically for New Music, they work perfectly 
for traditional notation as well. Some notable 
features of the font set:

- Accidentals contains quarter tones and 
inflected (arrow up/down) quarter tones;
- Inflected accidentals are legible even in reduced size scores;
- Narrower width of some characters saves 
horizontal "real estate" in the score;
- Unified width of many noteheads ensures 
consistent appearance using alternate noteheads;
- A bold and stylish design will make your work 
stand out, musicians love your scores.


Finale Users

Font Annotation files (FANs) are included for 
each font. A stem connection library is included 
with Notes; an articulation library is included 
with Articulations.

-- 

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[Finale] Feature list finale 2014.5

[João Pais]

Hello list,

I'm looking for a detailed list of new features/bug fixes for finale  
2014.5. I searched in the website, but I could only find the usual  
promotion blabber why finale is so good, etc.
Can anyone point me to a detailed list of relevant features for this  
version?

Best regards and thank you,

jmmmp
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Re: [Finale] Feature list finale 2014.5

[- -]

key info here
http://makemusic-downloads.makemusic.com/Finale/2014.5/Finale2014MacReadme.pdf

> On 18 December 2015 at 12:56 João Pais <jmmmp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a detailed list of new features/bug fixes for finale  
> 2014.5. I searched in the website, but I could only find the usual  
> promotion blabber why finale is so good, etc.
> Can anyone point me to a detailed list of relevant features for this  
> version?

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Windows?

[Rafael Leonardo Junchaya]

I've got a lot of compatibility issues in Windows 10. I have to make sure
everytime that it's run in Administrator mode. Besides that, it seems to
work quite ok, have not experienced anything really strange yet.

Rafael J

On 7 December 2015 at 05:34, Frank Prain  wrote:

> I've done a little bit of work and so far have had no problems.
>
> Frank
> On 7 Dec 2015 13:40, "Allen Fisher"  wrote:
>
> > I’m still having problems with lyric baselines in converted files… I may
> > have to submit a support request.
> >
> > > On 6 Dec, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Wolf  wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone have experience with 2014.5 on Windows?  Features? Problems? Is
> it
> > > worth the upgrade or a if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it situation?
> > >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Windows?

[Frank Prain]

I've done a little bit of work and so far have had no problems.

Frank
On 7 Dec 2015 13:40, "Allen Fisher"  wrote:

> I’m still having problems with lyric baselines in converted files… I may
> have to submit a support request.
>
> > On 6 Dec, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Wolf  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone have experience with 2014.5 on Windows?  Features? Problems? Is it
> > worth the upgrade or a if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it situation?
> >
> > Daniel Wolf
> > Frankfurt
> >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Windows?

[Allen Fisher]

I’m still having problems with lyric baselines in converted files… I may have 
to submit a support request.

> On 6 Dec, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Wolf  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have experience with 2014.5 on Windows?  Features? Problems? Is it  
> worth the upgrade or a if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it situation?
> 
> Daniel Wolf
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Windows?

[Jeff Tanner]

I did a project in it that I had started in 2014 and didn't have any problems 
other than the fact that Finale reset all my audio settings.  I use a VST plug 
in and had to tell it what folder to look in and reset the instruments, but 
that was about it.

Jeff Tanner
Funky Bear Music




From: Daniel Wolf
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:51 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Windows?


Anyone have experience with 2014.5 on Windows?  Features? Problems? Is it  
worth the upgrade or a if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it situation?

Daniel Wolf
Frankfurt

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 Windows?

[Daniel Wolf]

Anyone have experience with 2014.5 on Windows?  Features? Problems? Is it  
worth the upgrade or a if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it situation?

Daniel Wolf
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[Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan

[David Froom SMCM]

I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but 
occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments 
included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have 
disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now for 
both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has changed, 
and Finale doesn't know to where. 

Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?

Thanks,
David Froom
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan

[Chuck Israels]

Hi David,

Just encountered the same problem!

No solution yet.

Chuck


> On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
> 
> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but 
> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments 
> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have 
> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now for 
> both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has 
> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where. 
> 
> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
> 
> Thanks,
> David Froom
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan

[David H. Bailey]

I notice the Finale-employees who are members of this list are 
noticeably quiet these days.  I would think they would be jumping in to 
offer solutions to these new problems that are cropping up.

Definitely troubling that such things weren't discovered in beta testing 
of this new half-version.

David H. Bailey


On 12/5/2015 2:20 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Just encountered the same problem!
>
> No solution yet.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
>>
>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but 
>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments 
>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have 
>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now 
>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has 
>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>>
>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David Froom
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Re: [Finale] Lyric Baselines non-functional in Finale 2014.5?

[Allen Fisher]

Hi JD—

That was something I made sure to do… no luck.

Allen

> On 28 Nov, 2015, at 11:05 PM, J D Thomas <j...@thomastudios.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to be sure, try double clicking on a word in the lyric to make certain 
> you are selecting the correct verse. 
> 
> Sent from my iSomething-or-other
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Allen Fisher <al...@fisherartandtech.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey All—
>> 
>> Using Finale 2014.5 on Mac OS X 10.10. Attempting to adjust baselines 
>> doesn’t move lyrics at all in the files I’m working in… I’ve made sure I’m 
>> in the right layer and all by using the selection tool… Anyone else running 
>> into this? I’ve even tried the Reset Lyric Baselines plugin and that seems 
>> to be non-functional as well. These are files converted from older versions… 
>> can’t remember offhand which versions they’ve been through.
>> 
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[Finale] Lyric Baselines non-functional in Finale 2014.5?

[Allen Fisher]

Hey All—

Using Finale 2014.5 on Mac OS X 10.10. Attempting to adjust baselines doesn’t 
move lyrics at all in the files I’m working in… I’ve made sure I’m in the right 
layer and all by using the selection tool… Anyone else running into this? I’ve 
even tried the Reset Lyric Baselines plugin and that seems to be non-functional 
as well. These are files converted from older versions… can’t remember offhand 
which versions they’ve been through.

Allen
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Re: [Finale] Lyric Baselines non-functional in Finale 2014.5?

[J D Thomas]

Just to be sure, try double clicking on a word in the lyric to make certain you 
are selecting the correct verse. 

Sent from my iSomething-or-other

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Allen Fisher <al...@fisherartandtech.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey All—
> 
> Using Finale 2014.5 on Mac OS X 10.10. Attempting to adjust baselines doesn’t 
> move lyrics at all in the files I’m working in… I’ve made sure I’m in the 
> right layer and all by using the selection tool… Anyone else running into 
> this? I’ve even tried the Reset Lyric Baselines plugin and that seems to be 
> non-functional as well. These are files converted from older versions… can’t 
> remember offhand which versions they’ve been through.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Problem with Finale 2014.5

[Gippo Mercoli]

In older OS X I use to solve such problems playing finale through midi (or voce 
versa through audio unit), if you don’t have particular audio needs.
In alternative try starting play back from another bar.  

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> On 25 Nov 2015, at 20:48, Alberto Guzmán Naranjo  wrote:
> 
> I'm in iMac OS X El Capitan. When playing one file (a complex file with
> many voices) Finale always shut down. There are solution for this problem?
> Thanks,
> 
> Alberto Guzmán Naranjo
> Director de Orquesta - Compositor
> Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle
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[Finale] Problem with Finale 2014.5

[Alberto Guzmán Naranjo]

I'm in iMac OS X El Capitan. When playing one file (a complex file with
many voices) Finale always shut down. There are solution for this problem?
Thanks,

Alberto Guzmán Naranjo
Director de Orquesta - Compositor
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[Finale] Finale 2014.5 bug

[Alberto Guzmán Naranjo]

Finale 2014.5 y play mode shut down.

Alberto Guzmán Naranjo
Director de Orquesta - Compositor
Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[David H. Bailey]

On 11/19/2015 6:30 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
[snip]
> only problems that I did hear about (which I have subsequently fixed)
> brought on a life lesson that you don't use trumpet range advice from
> Maynard Ferguson wannabes.
[snip]

Very true!

There's a very good book by the late Andrew Stiller, long a mainstay of 
this group, called "Handbook of Instrumentation."  It's available 
through Nick Carter Imaging:
http://www.npcimaging.com/software/frameset2.htm

I've found it to be a very accurate guide to ranges, techniques, 
potential problems, etc.  Far better than asking humans whose egos may 
get the better of them.

It's available as a paper book, on CD-rom or in a combined package.



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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Aaron Rabushka]

Thanks to all for the information about the tuba trill. In the work that I'm
copying out (one of mine what just needs a dynamics overhaul) this
unaccompanied trill introduces (I won't say modulates to) a new key. When
the piece was read years ago I didn't get any feedback on this trill. The
only problems that I did hear about (which I have subsequently fixed)
brought on a life lesson that you don't use trumpet range advice from
Maynard Ferguson wannabes.

Thanks again!

ajr

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Williams, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:32 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] 2014.5

Tuba trills: f# to g# in the staff would be fingered:
2/3 to 1 on a BBb. A bit awkward.Alternate fingering would be quite out of
tune
2 to 2/3 on a CC Tuba. Easy.
2 to 1 on an Eb tuba. Easy. Sorry, but other poster was not correct.
1/2 to 2 on an F tuba. Easy.
I have avoided any options of 5th or 6th valves, as the setups are quite
varied.
Jim Williams (student of Harvey Phillips)

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Philip Brink <basst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are 
> concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come 
> in BB flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The 
> trill you mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the 
> others it should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as 
> it has to be played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve.
Good luck!
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka 
> <arabus...@austin.rr.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Two off-topic questions:
>> 
>> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a 
>> trill from f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is 
>> workable.
>> 
>> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've 
>> been looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle 
>> register of a lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

My comments below


On 11/18/2015 9:40 AM, Jan Angermüller wrote:
>
> Have you checked the HP settings for portamento/chromatic gliss ?
> Maybe they changed the default setting ? But I can't believe that you
> open a file that was set to chromatic gliss now automatically becomes a
> portamento. At least it should be easy to change in the HP settings
> (HP->Glissandi/Bends->Type: Chromatic).

You are correct.  The setting was "automatic"  Evidently the handling 
for "automatic" changed.  I set it to "chromatic" and it plans as 
before, which is preferable in this case.  Thanks for that tip.

One of the bug fixes involved the criss-crossed use of two different 
MIDI controllers (I think these affected volume and not pitch), so it 
seems they were in that area of code at least to some extent.


>> but they didn't fix the main HP bugs
>> that have to do with note-on/off timing.
> I haven't tested it myself yet. But if they didn't fix the long known
> note-on/off bug that accidentally skips notes in playback,

I would agree.  I have not tested this personally and am relying on a 
(reliable) user who posted at the Finale forum.

The reality here is that this is essentially a new company and mostly a 
new set of developers inheriting a huge and quite complex code base. 
Having done that a few times in my career, I can tell you this is really 
scary.  Coincidentally, Sibelius was in exactly the same position.  The 
Sibelius people opted to not touch the main code and to put out a "7.5" 
that was almost entirely cosmetic.  It was a "statement of support" but 
not real support.

The Finale people wanted to demonstrate something a little more 
substantial, and took an extra 18 months for that.

I can't say which strategy was correct.  The fact is that there are 
still big bugs needing fixes and important improvements needed.  At this 
stage we have more evidence that the Finale people can make improvements 
than we have from the Sibelius people.  But if we are looking at another 
18 months before the next set of bug fixes, that will be really 
disappointing.

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill from
> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.

Yes, absolutely fine.

Steve P.

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
Odd.

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Robert,
> 
> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything other 
> than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities" and 
> "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown prefs, 
> etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated Sept. 23, 
> 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01. 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
>> Finale 2014.5.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are
>>> they there for you?
>>> 
>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools
>>> hidden.
>>> 
>>> Steve P.
>>> 
>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So far, so good.
>>>> 
>>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>>>> 
>>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>>>> 
>>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files
>>> and Plugins.
>>>> 
>>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>>>> 
>>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will
>>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>>>> 
>>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color
>>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects
>>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
>>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
>>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> cisra...@comcast.net <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net>
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case if
you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5 plugin
folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
"Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as big
as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
Fin12 versions that are around 1M.


On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:

> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
> Odd.
>
> Steve P.
>
> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Robert,
> >
> > I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities"
> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> >
> >> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
> >> Finale 2014.5.
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty.
> Are
> >>> they there for you?
> >>>
> >>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> >>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
> tools
> >>> hidden.
> >>>
> >>> Steve P.
> >>>
> >>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> So far, so good.
> >>>>
> >>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> >>>>
> >>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> >>>>
> >>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
> Files
> >>> and Plugins.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> >>>>
> >>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
> will
> >>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> >>>>
> >>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
> color
> >>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
> affects
> >>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> >>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
> >>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
> >>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Chuck
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Chuck Israels
> >>>> cisra...@comcast.net <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net>
> >>>> (360) 201-3434
> >>>>
> >>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> >>>> Portland Or 97202
> >>>>
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Steve (Fiskum): Are the Lite versions that ship with Finale available?

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:

> Steve (Parker) are you running 10.11?
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly
>> downloaded the wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.
>>
>> Steve (Parker not Fiskum)
>>
>> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure
>> you
>> > restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
>> > guarantee you the issue is something basic.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello Robert,
>> >>
>> >> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
>> >> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it
>> was
>> >> correct. Still not able to access.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
>> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the
>> case
>> >> if
>> >>> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
>> >> plugin
>> >>> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive
>> called
>> >>> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice
>> as
>> >> big
>> >>> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to
>> the
>> >>> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty
>> folders.
>> >>>> Odd.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Steve P.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Robert,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see
>> anything
>> >>>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
>> >> Utilities"
>> >>>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>> >>>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are
>> dated
>> >>>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>> >>>>> Any ideas?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> Steve
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> >>>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
>> >> for
>> >>>>>> Finale 2014.5.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <
>> st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
>> >> empty.
>> >>>> Are
>> >>>>>>> they there for you?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main
>> tool
>> >>>>>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with
>> lower
>> >>>> tools
>> >>>>>>> hidden.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Steve P.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>&

Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Fiskum, Steve]

All is well. All of your plug-ins seem to be working now.

Thanks,
Steve (F)



On 11/18/15 8:51 AM, "Robert Patterson" 
wrote:

>Steve (Fiskum): Are the Lite versions that ship with Finale available?


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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure you
restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
guarantee you the issue is something basic.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:

> Hello Robert,
>
> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it was
> correct. Still not able to access.
>
> Steve
>
> > On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >
> > The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case
> if
> > you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
> plugin
> > folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
> > "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
> big
> > as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
> > Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
> >> Odd.
> >>
> >> Steve P.
> >>
> >>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Robert,
> >>>
> >>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
> >> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
> Utilities"
> >> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
> >> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
> >> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
> for
> >>>> Finale 2014.5.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
> empty.
> >> Are
> >>>>> they there for you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> >>>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
> >> tools
> >>>>> hidden.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steve P.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So far, so good.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
> >> Files
> >>>>> and Plugins.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
> >> will
> >>>>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
> >> color
> >>>>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
> >> affects
> >>>>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> >>>>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone
> else
> >>>>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular
> color
> >>>>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chuck
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chuck Israels
> 

Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly downloaded the 
wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.

Steve (Parker not Fiskum)

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure you
> restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
> guarantee you the issue is something basic.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Robert,
>> 
>> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
>> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it was
>> correct. Still not able to access.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case
>> if
>>> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
>> plugin
>>> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
>>> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
>> big
>>> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
>>> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
>>>> Odd.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve P.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
>>>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
>> Utilities"
>>>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>>>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
>>>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>>>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
>> for
>>>>>> Finale 2014.5.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
>> empty.
>>>> Are
>>>>>>> they there for you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>>>>>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>>>> tools
>>>>>>> hidden.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Steve P.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So far, so good.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
>>>> Files
>>>>>>> and Plugins.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
>>>> will
>>>>>>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
>>>> color
>>>>>>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
>>>> affects
>>>>>>> the oth

Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Jan Angermüller]

> In 2014, it plays distinct
> notes in that run, which is how the flute will sound.  In 2014.5, it is
> a portamento.  That's OK for this project.  Anyway, my point is that
> they did something in that area,
Have you checked the HP settings for portamento/chromatic gliss ?
Maybe they changed the default setting ? But I can't believe that you 
open a file that was set to chromatic gliss now automatically becomes a 
portamento. At least it should be easy to change in the HP settings 
(HP->Glissandi/Bends->Type: Chromatic).

> but they didn't fix the main HP bugs
> that have to do with note-on/off timing.
I haven't tested it myself yet. But if they didn't fix the long known 
note-on/off bug that accidentally skips notes in playback, this would be 
a pretty bad priority list for bug fixing: playback would still not be 
working properly.

Jan
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

10.11.2 Beta (15C40a)

The lite version is available and working for me.

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:45, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Steve (Parker) are you running 10.11?
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly downloaded
>> the wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.
>> 
>> Steve (Parker not Fiskum)
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure
>> you
>>> restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
>>> guarantee you the issue is something basic.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Robert,
>>>> 
>>>> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
>>>> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it
>> was
>>>> correct. Still not able to access.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
>>>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the
>> case
>>>> if
>>>>> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
>>>> plugin
>>>>> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive
>> called
>>>>> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
>>>> big
>>>>> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to
>> the
>>>>> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty
>> folders.
>>>>>> Odd.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve P.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see
>> anything
>>>>>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
>>>> Utilities"
>>>>>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>>>>>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are
>> dated
>>>>>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>>>>>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
>>>> for
>>>>>>>> Finale 2014.5.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
>>>> empty.
>>>>>> Are
>>>>>>>>> they there for you?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main
>> tool
>>>>>>>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>>> hidden.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Steve P.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>&g

Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

I think I downloaded the wrong ones twice….

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 13:42, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case if
> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5 plugin
> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as big
> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
>> Odd.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Robert,
>>> 
>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities"
>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
>>>> Finale 2014.5.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty.
>> Are
>>>>> they there for you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>>>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>> tools
>>>>> hidden.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve P.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So far, so good.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
>> Files
>>>>> and Plugins.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
>> will
>>>>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
>> color
>>>>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
>> affects
>>>>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>>>>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
>>>>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
>>>>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck Israels
>>>>>> cisra...@comcast.net <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> (360) 201-3434
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>>>>> Portland Or 97202
>>>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

Yes, it is a mixed bag.  So far, the biggest problem I have seen is that 
it knocks out VST playback after doing an export to WAV.  I have to 
restart Finale to get sound going again.

They seemed to have done a few things affecting HP.  For example I am 
working on an arrangement where the flutes gliss an octave, so I notated 
this with the straight line smartshape.  In 2014, it plays distinct 
notes in that run, which is how the flute will sound.  In 2014.5, it is 
a portamento.  That's OK for this project.  Anyway, my point is that 
they did something in that area, but they didn't fix the main HP bugs 
that have to do with note-on/off timing.

The good news is that the new team is able to make some changes that are 
more than superficial without completely ruining the product, so they 
should be in a position to fix more of the bugs.




On 11/18/2015 2:05 AM, Dave Lang wrote:
> I don’t understand how things like this get rolled out in 2015. We were 
> laughing about it when I was still working in tech back in 1992. 
> Disconcerting. Like a trumpet player who shows up without any valve oil.
>
> I’m happy the update was released.  While this version has introduced new 
> bugs, it did squash some others that directly affected me every time I worked 
> on a file.

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[Finale] Finale 2014.5 quick first impression

[Robert Patterson]

I downloaded the official Fin14.5 for Mac, and I feel that a warning is in
order. If you don't have to upgrade to El Capitan, I would hold off.
There's a long-standing issue on Macs with modeless plugin dialogs that
causes the main dialog to lose focus. In just cursory trials with Fin14.5
this morning, it appears that the problem is now much worse and that any
dialog causes (or at least often causes) the main dialog to lose focus. You
can quite easily end up in a scenario where no window has focus. This may
not sound that bad to some, but it is probably a deal breaker for me, at
least during the heavy editing phase.

Another annoyance I am experiencing is that every time I open the program
it re-displays the simple palette and the playback controls. And it doesn't
remember my previous window position. If anyone knows a way to address
this, I'd appreciate it.

One of the nice things is that you can freely transition between Fin14d and
Fin14.5 while working on the same file.
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Fiskum, Steve]

Hello Robert,

I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually pointed 
the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it was correct. 
Still not able to access. 

Steve

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case if
> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5 plugin
> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as big
> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
>> Odd.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Robert,
>>> 
>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities"
>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
>>>> Finale 2014.5.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty.
>> Are
>>>>> they there for you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>>>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>> tools
>>>>> hidden.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve P.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So far, so good.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
>> Files
>>>>> and Plugins.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
>> will
>>>>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
>> color
>>>>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
>> affects
>>>>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>>>>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
>>>>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
>>>>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck Israels
>>>>>> cisra...@comcast.net <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> (360) 201-3434
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>>>>> Portland Or 97202
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Steve (Parker) are you running 10.11?

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:

> To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly downloaded
> the wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.
>
> Steve (Parker not Fiskum)
>
> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure
> you
> > restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
> > guarantee you the issue is something basic.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Robert,
> >>
> >> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
> >> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it
> was
> >> correct. Still not able to access.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the
> case
> >> if
> >>> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
> >> plugin
> >>> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive
> called
> >>> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
> >> big
> >>> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to
> the
> >>> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty
> folders.
> >>>> Odd.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve P.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve <fisk...@jspaluch.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Robert,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see
> anything
> >>>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
> >> Utilities"
> >>>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
> >>>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are
> dated
> >>>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
> >>>>> Any ideas?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Steve
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
> >>>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
> >> for
> >>>>>> Finale 2014.5.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
> >> empty.
> >>>> Are
> >>>>>>> they there for you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main
> tool
> >>>>>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
> >>>> tools
> >>>>>>> hidden.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steve P.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So far, so good.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
> >>>> Files
> >>>>>>> and Plugins.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>&g

[Finale] Finale 2014.5

[Randolph Peters]

First impressions of 2014.5 on a Mac (Yosemite)

1. Special Tools Window doesn’t remember my placement on another monitor, 
although Main Tools, Smart Shapes and Playback Windows do.

2. Extra large tool size not remembered in preferences.

3. TGTools align dynamics and hairpins with the special keys does not work. (It 
might have worked once, but no more!)

This last one is a deal breaker for me. I’m going back to 2014 until this is 
fixed.

At least the files still open without a problem going back to 2014.

-Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

If you do go back to Fin14, it's worth remembering that you can fire up
Fin14.5 at any time and work on the same file without conversion. You may
want to consider doing this when you get to preparing linked parts. Fin14.5
has some crucial bug fixes in that area.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Randolph Peters 
wrote:

> First impressions of 2014.5 on a Mac (Yosemite)
>
> 1. Special Tools Window doesn’t remember my placement on another monitor,
> although Main Tools, Smart Shapes and Playback Windows do.
>
> 2. Extra large tool size not remembered in preferences.
>
> 3. TGTools align dynamics and hairpins with the special keys does not
> work. (It might have worked once, but no more!)
>
> This last one is a deal breaker for me. I’m going back to 2014 until this
> is fixed.
>
> At least the files still open without a problem going back to 2014.
>
> -Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Chuck Israels]

So far, so good.  

Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):

Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014

Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files and 
Plugins.

Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5

Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will be in 
the right place and work correctly.  Easy.

One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color and 
the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects the 
other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more important, so I 
am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else have a similar 
experience or know a workaround.  This particular color adjustment seems rather 
finicky.

Thanks,

Chuck



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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

It confazzled me for 30 seconds too…

Steve P.

> On 17 Nov 2015, at 22:12, Dean Rosenthal <deanrosent...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The oddest first thing I found about Finale 2014.5 (before taking it for a
> drive) is that after reading the list of fixes and improvements, there is
> no indication anywhere on the pop-up menu as to how to download it!
> 
> After some confusion, you discover you have to click on "*learn more*" –
> not a button that would say "*get it now*" or "*download now*". Although it
> does say up top, "do you want to download?" – no telling how you might.
> 
> Finale, when you offer a new version, have a download button in the pop up
> window or explain that you need to click "learn more" to get the new
> version. It's a totally superficial criticism, but a valid one. This is not
> a complaint, however, and I wish us all good luck with this one.
> 
> Dean
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are they 
there for you?

The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool palette 
the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools hidden.

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> So far, so good.  
> 
> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> 
> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> 
> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files and 
> Plugins.
> 
> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> 
> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will be 
> in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> 
> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color and 
> the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects the 
> other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more important, so I 
> am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else have a similar 
> experience or know a workaround.  This particular color adjustment seems 
> rather finicky.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net>
> (360) 201-3434
> 
> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> Portland Or 97202
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
Finale 2014.5.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:

> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are
> they there for you?
>
> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools
> hidden.
>
> Steve P.
>
> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > So far, so good.
> >
> > Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> >
> > Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> >
> > Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files
> and Plugins.
> >
> > Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> >
> > Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will
> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> >
> > One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color
> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects
> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
> adjustment seems rather finicky.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck Israels
> > cisra...@comcast.net <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net>
> > (360) 201-3434
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> > 8831 SE 12th Ave.
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Aaron Rabushka]

Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a slur? I
have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed ties, but the
system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Aaron,

I usually use beat-attached dotted-slurs for that. You may find my Smart
Shape Editor helpful for precision editing of beat-locations with spacial
offsets, since the beat-attached UI is not implements for dotted slurs.
(They work, but the UI is still the pre-Fin12 UI.) And you may find my Mass
Copy plugin useful for copying them.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Aaron Rabushka 
wrote:

> Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a slur? I
> have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed ties, but the
> system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.
>
> Aaron J. Rabushka
> Finale 14, Windows 8.1
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Philip Brink]

I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are
concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come in BB
flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The trill you
mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the others it
should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as it has to be
played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve. Good luck!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka 
wrote:

> Two off-topic questions:
>
> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill
> from
> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.
>
> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've been
> looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register of a
> lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
>
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Aaron Rabushka]

Two off-topic questions:

1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill from
f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.

2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've been
looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register of a
lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.

Aaron J. Rabushka

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Aaron Rabushka]

Thanks Robert! Where do I get them?

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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [Finale] 2014.5

Aaron,

I usually use beat-attached dotted-slurs for that. You may find my Smart
Shape Editor helpful for precision editing of beat-locations with spacial
offsets, since the beat-attached UI is not implements for dotted slurs.
(They work, but the UI is still the pre-Fin12 UI.) And you may find my Mass
Copy plugin useful for copying them.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Aaron Rabushka <arabus...@austin.rr.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a 
> slur? I have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed 
> ties, but the system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.
>
> Aaron J. Rabushka
> Finale 14, Windows 8.1
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Williams, Jim]

Tuba trills: f# to g# in the staff would be fingered:
2/3 to 1 on a BBb. A bit awkward.Alternate fingering would be quite out of tune
2 to 2/3 on a CC Tuba. Easy.
2 to 1 on an Eb tuba. Easy. Sorry, but other poster was not correct.
1/2 to 2 on an F tuba. Easy.
I have avoided any options of 5th or 6th valves, as the setups are quite varied.
Jim Williams (student of Harvey Phillips)

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Philip Brink  wrote:
> 
> I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are
> concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come in BB
> flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The trill you
> mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the others it
> should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as it has to be
> played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve. Good luck!
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka 
> wrote:
> 
>> Two off-topic questions:
>> 
>> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill
>> from
>> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.
>> 
>> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've been
>> looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register of a
>> lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
>> 
>> Aaron J. Rabushka
>> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Philip Brink]

Sorry - my instrument is the trombone...

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Williams, Jim <
jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:

> Tuba trills: f# to g# in the staff would be fingered:
> 2/3 to 1 on a BBb. A bit awkward.Alternate fingering would be quite out of
> tune
> 2 to 2/3 on a CC Tuba. Easy.
> 2 to 1 on an Eb tuba. Easy. Sorry, but other poster was not correct.
> 1/2 to 2 on an F tuba. Easy.
> I have avoided any options of 5th or 6th valves, as the setups are quite
> varied.
> Jim Williams (student of Harvey Phillips)
>
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>
> > On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Philip Brink  wrote:
> >
> > I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are
> > concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come in
> BB
> > flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The trill you
> > mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the others it
> > should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as it has to be
> > played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve. Good luck!
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka <
> arabus...@austin.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Two off-topic questions:
> >>
> >> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill
> >> from
> >> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.
> >>
> >> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've
> been
> >> looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register
> of a
> >> lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
> >>
> >> Aaron J. Rabushka
> >>
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Fiskum, Steve]

Hello Robert,

I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything other 
than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities" and 
"staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown prefs, etc... 
When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated Sept. 23, 2015. Mass 
Copy's version number is 5.01. 
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Steve

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
> Finale 2014.5.
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are
>> they there for you?
>> 
>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools
>> hidden.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, so good.
>>> 
>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>>> 
>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>>> 
>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files
>> and Plugins.
>>> 
>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>>> 
>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will
>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>>> 
>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color
>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects
>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck Israels
>>> cisra...@comcast.net <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net>
>>> (360) 201-3434
>>> 
>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>> Portland Or 97202
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Same place as note-attached. You just have to select beat-attached from the
smart shape menu.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Rabushka <arabus...@austin.rr.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Robert! Where do I get them?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Robert Patterson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:53 PM
> To: finale <finale@shsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] 2014.5
>
> Aaron,
>
> I usually use beat-attached dotted-slurs for that. You may find my Smart
> Shape Editor helpful for precision editing of beat-locations with spacial
> offsets, since the beat-attached UI is not implements for dotted slurs.
> (They work, but the UI is still the pre-Fin12 UI.) And you may find my Mass
> Copy plugin useful for copying them.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Aaron Rabushka <arabus...@austin.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a
> > slur? I have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed
> > ties, but the system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.
> >
> > Aaron J. Rabushka
> > Finale 14, Windows 8.1
> >
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Dean Rosenthal]

Hi,

The oddest first thing I found about Finale 2014.5 (before taking it for a
drive) is that after reading the list of fixes and improvements, there is
no indication anywhere on the pop-up menu as to how to download it!

After some confusion, you discover you have to click on "*learn more*" –
not a button that would say "*get it now*" or "*download now*". Although it
does say up top, "do you want to download?" – no telling how you might.

Finale, when you offer a new version, have a download button in the pop up
window or explain that you need to click "learn more" to get the new
version. It's a totally superficial criticism, but a valid one. This is not
a complaint, however, and I wish us all good luck with this one.

Dean

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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

A lot longer than 30 seconds for me.  If you do "check for updates" from 
within Finale, then you get useful instructions, but none of that is in 
the Readme or in the announcement email.

You won't find this in the downloads section like other patches.  The 
procedure is to log onto you account at the Finale site.  By to "your 
software"  That will indicate  Finale 2014 available for download.  Even 
though it says it is 2014, it is actually 2014.5.




On 11/17/2015 6:24 PM, Steve Parker wrote:
> It confazzled me for 30 seconds too…
>

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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Dave Lang]

> Even though it says it is 2014, it is actually 2014.5

I don’t understand how things like this get rolled out in 2015. We were 
laughing about it when I was still working in tech back in 1992. Disconcerting. 
Like a trumpet player who shows up without any valve oil.

I’m happy the update was released.  While this version has introduced new bugs, 
it did squash some others that directly affected me every time I worked on a 
file.

A pretty mediocre performance, though.

Hopefully work will continue and they’ll do better next time.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 by end of November?

[Mark Adler]

Hi Craig,

2014.5 is on it's way soon and works well in El Capitan but I'm still not
going to publicly state a release date : )
My priority this last year has been to continue to update the codebase,
improve performance and bug fixes. All plug-ins have been updated and many
longstanding plug-in bugs have been addressed. FinaleScript got extra
attention and now works better than ever.
For more details, check out the thread at
http://www.finalemusic.com/blog/mark-adler-and-whats-next-finale-2014-5/


*Mark F. Adler*

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 by end of November?

[craig]

The posting I cited says it is shipping this month.  If that is not correct, 
you might want to update that.
 
Thanks,
Craig
 
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 by end 
of November?
From: "Mark Adler" <mad...@makemusic.com>
Date: 11/13/15 10:07 am
To: finale@shsu.edu

Hi Craig,
 
 2014.5 is on it's way soon and works well in El Capitan but I'm still not
 going to publicly state a release date : )
 My priority this last year has been to continue to update the codebase,
 improve performance and bug fixes. All plug-ins have been updated and many
 longstanding plug-in bugs have been addressed. FinaleScript got extra
 attention and now works better than ever.
 For more details, check out the thread at
 http://www.finalemusic.com/blog/mark-adler-and-whats-next-finale-2014-5/
 
 
 *Mark F. Adler*
 
 Notation Product Manager/Sr. Editor
 
 
 
 *D* 303  579  4829
 
 www.makemusic.com
 
 
 
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[Finale] Finale 2014.5 by end of November?

[Craig Parmerlee]

This article

http://www.finalemusic.com/blog/finale-and-os-x-el-capitan-update/

says "it was our hope that Apple would resolve this incompatibility, but 
if they didn’t we’d provide a solution in Finale 2014.5, a 
free-of-charge update for owners of Finale 2014 scheduled for release by 
the end of November."

Is there any further information on the contents?

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