Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Richard Huggins wrote: It seems that both copies of the file ---the original misbehaving one and the new one created by pasting into a fresh document--- are working well now. I haven't been able to get the orig. to stack beat 1 anymore. I suspect that this is because music spacing is a program option; once you define a set of music spacings, either by entering them in the appropriate dialog box, or by loading a library, those spacings remain until replaced, or until the program is quit. I expect if you quit the program, and then start it up again, and reload the file you originally asked about, the original problematic behavior would occur until you loaded spacings. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
If your new version from the template satisfies your needs, that's fine. But one open document should not affect another. Have you checked the state of the Spacing Widths dialog in the bad file? Does it still have an empty spacing library? In case one open document really is affecting another (it shouldn't, but just to be sure), I recommend you try this: - Open only the bad file. - Check the state of the Spacing Widths dialog - If you haven't loaded any library into the file or changed a setting in the Spacing Widths dialog since you posted the file on your site, you will find that Use Spacing Width Table is selected, and when you click on Widths... you will see in the Duration Allotments dialog that only one duration is defined, with value zero for both duration and spacing width. - Now if you load a spacing width library, or set the option Use These Values, you can continue using the old file. Michael On 25 Aug 2010, at 23:55, Richard Huggins wrote: ...add it takes another odd turn I opened a new document (a template) and inserted the misbehaving file into it. No problems so far, but here's the oddity: the bad file also is open and is behaving perfectly. Should I presume that the template had the spacing library needed, loaded it into the program and that because of that the old file is now spacing correctly? It seems useful to note that on no other file did I use the template, or use Insert to create a new copy of the file. Richard On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Florence + Michael wrote: Look at Document Options - Music Spacing - Spacing Widths. The file is set to use a spacing width table, but the spacing width table is empty. Either load a spacing width table from the libraries, or set the option use these values in the Spacing Widths dialog. Michael On 25 Aug 2010, at 05:14, Richard Huggins wrote: On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: That should have been http://www.richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Richard Huggins wrote: Status report: Nothing has worked once and for all. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. I think I may have found it. Since I don't have 2k7 installed, I opened the file in WIN FIN 2k9, and found I had the same experiences you described. The file appeared fine when I opened it, but as soon as I edited a measure, all the beats stacked up. What I finally found is that the file has automatic music spacing checked, and when I unchecked this, both speedy and simple entry worked exactly as I expected. I can't say for certain where automatic music spacing is in 2007; in 2006 its an item in the Edit menu. In 2009, it has been moved to Edit Program options edit. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
On Wed Aug 25, at WednesdayAug 25 2:46 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Richard Huggins wrote: Status report: Nothing has worked once and for all. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. I think I may have found it. Since I don't have 2k7 installed, I opened the file in WIN FIN 2k9, and found I had the same experiences you described. The file appeared fine when I opened it, but as soon as I edited a measure, all the beats stacked up. What I finally found is that the file has automatic music spacing checked, and when I unchecked this, both speedy and simple entry worked exactly as I expected. I can't say for certain where automatic music spacing is in 2007; in 2006 its an item in the Edit menu. In 2009, it has been moved to Edit Program options edit. ns Sorry, but I don't think that is the problem. NO music spacing works at all, whether manually applied or automatically, except Time Signature Spacing, which is just bad. Turning off Automatic just means that you don't see the problem until you try to apply a manual spacing. The problem is still there. I still think that copying the contents to a new file is the best option. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Richard Huggins wrote: Anyone have a clue or a tip? One thing I would hope you would do for certain is to open a tech support ticket with MakeMusic! and submit the file to them. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Christopher Smith wrote: Sorry, but I don't think that is the problem. NO music spacing works at all, whether manually applied or automatically, except Time Signature Spacing, which is just bad. Turning off Automatic just means that you don't see the problem until you try to apply a manual spacing. The problem is still there. Maybe, but this is not my experience. I can reproduce the problem as Richard reports it in Win Fin 2009, until I disabled autmatic music spacing. When I re-enabled automatic music spacing, I could not reproduce the problem Richard reported. The copyright date of the work contained in the file suggest to me that this file was created in an earlier version of Finale; I'm wondering if a custom spacing library was used to create the file originally, which spacing file was not imported into MacFIN 2k7. IN the absence of a spacing library, then, the spacing would use the defaults (which have zero durations), which would give the result one sees when one edits the score. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
I discovered that the human playback region is set to conclude at measure 61 and not the end of the piece. Did someone point that out already? The other problem I haven't discovered a solution as yet, either. Confounding problem and I'm anxious to hear what is causing it! Michael mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:38:31 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Corrupted file? Status report: Nothing has worked once and for all. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. 1. If I select Measure Tool and any measure, and if I change Use Beat Spacing to According to Time Signature, proper spacing is returned but only until the measure is touched again with Speedy or Simple, or even when a different measure is touched, which sometimes causes all other measures to pile their notes on beat 1. 2. I checked the time signatures to make sure something weird wasn't in effect. 3. I've respaced, rebeamed, updated and regurgitated all I know to do. If anyone would like to play with the file, here it is: http://www,richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus Thanks for all the suggestions: each one was tried or accounted for. Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Hi Noel, Unless our programs are behaving differently (which is entirely possible!), I think I am right. The problem is that music spacing (except for time signature spacing) is not working. When auto music spacing is turned on, the symptom occurs every time a Speedy frame is exited. When auto spacing is turned off, you don't see the symptom right away, but the problem is still there because NO music spacing works except time sig spacing. There is still no way to space the piece properly (unless he hand tweaks EVERY note in every measure, gah!) Are you saying that when you turn OFF auto spacing that Note Spacing works for you? It doesn't for me; it still stacks up everything on beat one. I checked what I know about in the music spacing options, which seem correct. If there is some setting affecting music spacing that I missed, please let me know. I am still suspecting file corruption, rather than some setting gone awry. Christopher - Original Message - From: Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:46 Subject: Re: [Finale] Corrupted file? To: finale@shsu.edu Christopher Smith wrote: Sorry, but I don't think that is the problem. NO music spacing works at all, whether manually applied or automatically, except Time Signature Spacing, which is just bad. Turning off Automatic just means that you don't see the problem until you try to apply a manual spacing. The problem is still there. Maybe, but this is not my experience. I can reproduce the problem as Richard reports it in Win Fin 2009, until I disabled autmatic music spacing. When I re-enabled automatic music spacing, I could not reproduce the problem Richard reported. The copyright date of the work contained in the file suggest to me that this file was created in an earlier version of Finale; I'm wondering if a custom spacing library was used to create the file originally, which spacing file was not imported into MacFIN 2k7. IN the absence of a spacing library, then, the spacing would use the defaults (which have zero durations), which would give the result one sees when one edits the score. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Christopher, First, there is a possibility that our respective installations are behaving a bit differently; while I own 2k7, it's not presently installed, and is not close enough at hand to conveniently do so, so I've done my investigations in 2k9. I doubt file corruption, partly I've had corrupted files, and they refuse to load. My impression is that there is a mechanism of some type in a Finale score file that tests for file integrity, and the fact that I can load Richard's file without a warning or error message leads me to believe that this is not an instance of file corruption. As to copying the contents of the file to a new document, I did this early on, and found the behavior the same in the file copied to, as in Richard's original. Subsequent investigation to my previous post disproves some of what I wrote earlier. But here is something I found subsequently. When I open Richard's score, and before doing anything else, select the measure tool, and open the measure attribute dialog tool, I see that there is one handle at the upper right bar line in each measure; there is no beat chart. As soon as I edit the measure (and in 2k9, it makes no difference whether the edit is done in simple or speedy entry), a beat chart is created for the edited measure, although there is no duration for the beats (which one can examine in 2k9 by selecting document options music spacing spacing widths duration allotments). Accordingly, all of the durations have a width of zero, and stack together. As confirmation, using hints from some of your posts, I was again able to reproduce the behavior Richard initially reported. When I subsequently loaded a music spacing library, (I tried two, and both worked) the problem dissappeared, and the music appears the way one would expect. I strongly suspect that Richard's problem will disappear when he loads a music spacing library to the file. ns christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Noel, Unless our programs are behaving differently (which is entirely possible!), I think I am right. The problem is that music spacing (except for time signature spacing) is not working. When auto music spacing is turned on, the symptom occurs every time a Speedy frame is exited. When auto spacing is turned off, you don't see the symptom right away, but the problem is still there because NO music spacing works except time sig spacing. There is still no way to space the piece properly (unless he hand tweaks EVERY note in every measure, gah!) Are you saying that when you turn OFF auto spacing that Note Spacing works for you? It doesn't for me; it still stacks up everything on beat one. I checked what I know about in the music spacing options, which seem correct. If there is some setting affecting music spacing that I missed, please let me know. I am still suspecting file corruption, rather than some setting gone awry. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
...add it takes another odd turn I opened a new document (a template) and inserted the misbehaving file into it. No problems so far, but here's the oddity: the bad file also is open and is behaving perfectly. Should I presume that the template had the spacing library needed, loaded it into the program and that because of that the old file is now spacing correctly? It seems useful to note that on no other file did I use the template, or use Insert to create a new copy of the file. Richard On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Florence + Michael wrote: Look at Document Options - Music Spacing - Spacing Widths. The file is set to use a spacing width table, but the spacing width table is empty. Either load a spacing width table from the libraries, or set the option use these values in the Spacing Widths dialog. Michael On 25 Aug 2010, at 05:14, Richard Huggins wrote: On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: That should have been http://www.richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! Looks like Noel and I were both right, but maybe Noel was a little righter. Music spacing wasn't working, because of a missing value or checkbox unclicked (one that I missed). This may have been a form of file corruption (not all corruptions cause the file not to load; some just change the state of click boxes or date fields) or a bad import from a previous version. In any case, Richard's problem should be solved. Congrats, Michael! christopher On Wed Aug 25, at WednesdayAug 25 1:35 PM, Florence + Michael wrote: Look at Document Options - Music Spacing - Spacing Widths. The file is set to use a spacing width table, but the spacing width table is empty. Either load a spacing width table from the libraries, or set the option use these values in the Spacing Widths dialog. Michael On 25 Aug 2010, at 05:14, Richard Huggins wrote: On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: That should have been http://www.richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
It seems that both copies of the file ---the original misbehaving one and the new one created by pasting into a fresh document--- are working well now. I haven't been able to get the orig. to stack beat 1 anymore. I want to thank everybody who made suggestion,/ who downloaded my file and examined it, and who came up with important solutions. Richard On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! Looks like Noel and I were both right, but maybe Noel was a little righter. Music spacing wasn't working, because of a missing value or checkbox unclicked (one that I missed). This may have been a form of file corruption (not all corruptions cause the file not to load; some just change the state of click boxes or date fields) or a bad import from a previous version. In any case, Richard's problem should be solved. Congrats, Michael! christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Richard Huggins wrote: I fear corruption in a file where if I make *any* edit to a measure of music, all the notes of that measure pile up on top of beat 1. Any time I've had corruption in a file, it wouldn't load at all, much less permit me to edit the file. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Richard Huggins wrote: I fear corruption in a file where if I make *any* edit to a measure of music, all the notes of that measure pile up on top of beat 1. Anyone have a clue or a tip? It sounds to me like a spacing issue rather than file corruption. I don't have FIN07 installed (and even if I did, it would be on a windows platform, not MAC), but what I'd do if confronted with this in 2k6 is to select the affected measures, and respace. In Fin 2k6, the respacing was under the mass mover tool, and I'm quite certain it's been moved since, but I don't remember exactly when. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Have a look at measure attributes. It could be that Position Notes is set to Manually (by Dragging). If that's the case, change it to Using Beat-Chart Spacing. Michael On 24 Aug 2010, at 02:06, Richard Huggins wrote: I fear corruption in a file where if I make *any* edit to a measure of music, all the notes of that measure pile up on top of beat 1. Anyone have a clue or a tip? Richard Huggins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Try updating the layout (cntrl U) On 24 August 2010 09:48, Florence + Michael launay-c...@gmx.net wrote: Have a look at measure attributes. It could be that Position Notes is set to Manually (by Dragging). If that's the case, change it to Using Beat-Chart Spacing. Michael On 24 Aug 2010, at 02:06, Richard Huggins wrote: I fear corruption in a file where if I make *any* edit to a measure of music, all the notes of that measure pile up on top of beat 1. Anyone have a clue or a tip? Richard Huggins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Status report: Nothing has worked once and for all. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. 1. If I select Measure Tool and any measure, and if I change Use Beat Spacing to According to Time Signature, proper spacing is returned but only until the measure is touched again with Speedy or Simple, or even when a different measure is touched, which sometimes causes all other measures to pile their notes on beat 1. 2. I checked the time signatures to make sure something weird wasn't in effect. 3. I've respaced, rebeamed, updated and regurgitated all I know to do. If anyone would like to play with the file, here it is: http://www,richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus Thanks for all the suggestions: each one was tried or accounted for. Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
On 24 Aug 2010 at 21:43, David W. Fenton wrote: On 24 Aug 2010 at 20:38, Richard Huggins wrote: Status report: Nothing has worked once and for all. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. Have you actually done any of the things that address corruption issues, such as running a data check, and/or removing deleted items? Have you copied the music into a new, empty file? Have you tried exporting to XML and importing into a new file? And also, deleting the offending measure and re-entering it... -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Data check in FM2011 shows no anomalies. Your very open spacing (4 bars a staff) appears to be consistent. Scrolling playback dies at some place around bar #60. Non-scrolling playback goes to the end. Klaus --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Finale] Corrupted file? To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:38 AM Status report: Nothing has worked once and for all. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. 1. If I select Measure Tool and any measure, and if I change Use Beat Spacing to According to Time Signature, proper spacing is returned but only until the measure is touched again with Speedy or Simple, or even when a different measure is touched, which sometimes causes all other measures to pile their notes on beat 1. 2. I checked the time signatures to make sure something weird wasn't in effect. 3. I've respaced, rebeamed, updated and regurgitated all I know to do. If anyone would like to play with the file, here it is: http://www,richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus Thanks for all the suggestions: each one was tried or accounted for. Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: That should have been http://www.richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
Fortunately I saw the comma in the first, wrong, address and corrected it. The file still opens as a text file in the browser. You may save it without the .txt extension and then open it from within Finale. Klaus --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Finale] Corrupted file? To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 5:14 AM On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: That should have been http://www.richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
I checked the file; all data checks were normal, as were your music spacing options. I disagree that normal spacing is restored; the time signature spacing is terrible for many things, like bars 25 and 33 have collisions with accidentals. I copied the contents to a fresh document and everything was fine. It looks like file corruption has reared its ugly head, but you can rescue it still by copying it over. I recommend that, rather than trying to clean this document. Christopher On Tue Aug 24, at TuesdayAug 24 9:38 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: Status report: Nothing has worked once and for all. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. 1. If I select Measure Tool and any measure, and if I change Use Beat Spacing to According to Time Signature, proper spacing is returned but only until the measure is touched again with Speedy or Simple, or even when a different measure is touched, which sometimes causes all other measures to pile their notes on beat 1. 2. I checked the time signatures to make sure something weird wasn't in effect. 3. I've respaced, rebeamed, updated and regurgitated all I know to do. If anyone would like to play with the file, here it is: http://www,richardhuggins.com/finale/we_gather.mus Thanks for all the suggestions: each one was tried or accounted for. Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Corrupted file?
I fear corruption in a file where if I make *any* edit to a measure of music, all the notes of that measure pile up on top of beat 1. Anyone have a clue or a tip? Richard Huggins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Corrupted file?
I didn't mention I'm on FinMac 07 --RH On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: I fear corruption in a file where if I make *any* edit to a measure of music, all the notes of that measure pile up on top of beat 1. Anyone have a clue or a tip? Richard Huggins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
