Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
Hi Brad, I'm a little late jumping in on this, but isn't the notational standard to break the barlines around vocal staves? Aren't you running into a lot of lyric/extension collisions with barlines? I always understood that the purpose of this practice was to prevent collisions with the lyric and extension traffic. I'm not sure the reason(s) you might have to not break the barlines in this situation, but breaking them would eliminate this collision, as well as others, globally. Don Hart on 9/29/05 3:26 PM, Brad Beyenhof at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've got a word extension that looks a little wierd. The lyric it's attached to is pretty close to the measure's right barline, and the barline is stretching across staves so that the extension line just barely intersects the group barline. I'd like to be able to move the left side of the word extensionto the right, because a) the editor of this project has asked me to and b) the collision looks absurd, even if I hadn't been instructed to fix it. I tried exporting a tiny blank EPS to re-import and cover up a bit of the word extension on either side of the barline. Unfortunately, the word extension seems to be one of those foreground elements that shows through anything you put on it (yes, I tried an empty opaque expression too). Does anybody know how Finale can sensibly resolve this collision? I put a screengrab here if you need a visual: http://augmentedfourth.cjb.net/word_ext.tif -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
Well, this isn't a vocal staff. It's actually for a method book, and it's a duet, and the author is putting in lyrics on the exercises whose songs have them. So I'm treating them as instrumental staves (which they are), and throwing in the lyrics as something extra (which, in a sense, they are). I do agree that vocal staves shouldn't have connected barlines, though. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky On 10/2/05, Don Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brad, I'm a little late jumping in on this, but isn't the notational standard to break the barlines around vocal staves? Aren't you running into a lot of lyric/extension collisions with barlines? I always understood that the purpose of this practice was to prevent collisions with the lyric and extension traffic. I'm not sure the reason(s) you might have to not break the barlines in this situation, but breaking them would eliminate this collision, as well as others, globally. Don Hart on 9/29/05 3:26 PM, Brad Beyenhof at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've got a word extension that looks a little wierd. The lyric it's attached to is pretty close to the measure's right barline, and the barline is stretching across staves so that the extension line just barely intersects the group barline. I'd like to be able to move the left side of the word extensionto the right, because a) the editor of this project has asked me to and b) the collision looks absurd, even if I hadn't been instructed to fix it. I tried exporting a tiny blank EPS to re-import and cover up a bit of the word extension on either side of the barline. Unfortunately, the word extension seems to be one of those foreground elements that shows through anything you put on it (yes, I tried an empty opaque expression too). Does anybody know how Finale can sensibly resolve this collision? I put a screengrab here if you need a visual: http://augmentedfourth.cjb.net/word_ext.tif ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
I couldn't tell a whole lot from your example so I thought I'd point it out. - Don on 10/2/05 11:11 PM, Brad Beyenhof at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this isn't a vocal staff. It's actually for a method book, and it's a duet, and the author is putting in lyrics on the exercises whose songs have them. So I'm treating them as instrumental staves (which they are), and throwing in the lyrics as something extra (which, in a sense, they are). I do agree that vocal staves shouldn't have connected barlines, though. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky On 10/2/05, Don Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brad, I'm a little late jumping in on this, but isn't the notational standard to break the barlines around vocal staves? Aren't you running into a lot of lyric/extension collisions with barlines? I always understood that the purpose of this practice was to prevent collisions with the lyric and extension traffic. I'm not sure the reason(s) you might have to not break the barlines in this situation, but breaking them would eliminate this collision, as well as others, globally. Don Hart on 9/29/05 3:26 PM, Brad Beyenhof at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've got a word extension that looks a little wierd. The lyric it's attached to is pretty close to the measure's right barline, and the barline is stretching across staves so that the extension line just barely intersects the group barline. I'd like to be able to move the left side of the word extensionto the right, because a) the editor of this project has asked me to and b) the collision looks absurd, even if I hadn't been instructed to fix it. I tried exporting a tiny blank EPS to re-import and cover up a bit of the word extension on either side of the barline. Unfortunately, the word extension seems to be one of those foreground elements that shows through anything you put on it (yes, I tried an empty opaque expression too). Does anybody know how Finale can sensibly resolve this collision? I put a screengrab here if you need a visual: http://augmentedfourth.cjb.net/word_ext.tif ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Brad, You are not alone. That stuff happens to many of us, and age and experience are no guarantee that your brain is always looking in the right place, even when it knows the answer you're seeking. And from my perspective, it's even harder when you don't know the proper name for what you are trying to do. I suspect there are many out there who are in a similar position to an acquaintance who cannot seem to remember what the name used when working with a text document, and you want all of the lines to line up at the right margin. So even though he has the manual right in front of him, since he doesn't remember right justify, it does him no good. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
So I've got a word extension that looks a little wierd. The lyric it's attached to is pretty close to the measure's right barline, and the barline is stretching across staves so that the extension line just barely intersects the group barline. I'd like to be able to move the left side of the word extensionto the right, because a) the editor of this project has asked me to and b) the collision looks absurd, even if I hadn't been instructed to fix it. I tried exporting a tiny blank EPS to re-import and cover up a bit of the word extension on either side of the barline. Unfortunately, the word extension seems to be one of those foreground elements that shows through anything you put on it (yes, I tried an empty opaque expression too). Does anybody know how Finale can sensibly resolve this collision? I put a screengrab here if you need a visual: http://augmentedfourth.cjb.net/word_ext.tif -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
I would get rid of the extension and use a custom line. BF Brad Beyenhof wrote: So I've got a word extension that looks a little wierd. The lyric it's attached to is pretty close to the measure's right barline, and the barline is stretching across staves so that the extension line just barely intersects the group barline. I'd like to be able to move the left side of the word extensionto the right, because a) the editor of this project has asked me to and b) the collision looks absurd, even if I hadn't been instructed to fix it. I tried exporting a tiny blank EPS to re-import and cover up a bit of the word extension on either side of the barline. Unfortunately, the word extension seems to be one of those foreground elements that shows through anything you put on it (yes, I tried an empty opaque expression too). Does anybody know how Finale can sensibly resolve this collision? I put a screengrab here if you need a visual: http://augmentedfourth.cjb.net/word_ext.tif -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
On 9/29/05, Burt Fenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Beyenhof wrote: I'd like to be able to move the left side of the word extensionto the right, because a) the editor of this project has asked me to and b) the collision looks absurd, even if I hadn't been instructed to fix it. I would get rid of the extension and use a custom line. I have Smart Word Extensions turned on, though (for other extensions in this file). With Smart Word Extensions turned on, I can't figure out how to get rid of just one extension in order to replace it with a custom line. Is this possible? -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
Sure, select it and press delete (choose lyrics - edit word extensions first of course) - Original Message - From: Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension? On 9/29/05, Burt Fenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Beyenhof wrote: I'd like to be able to move the left side of the word extensionto the right, because a) the editor of this project has asked me to and b) the collision looks absurd, even if I hadn't been instructed to fix it. I would get rid of the extension and use a custom line. I have Smart Word Extensions turned on, though (for other extensions in this file). With Smart Word Extensions turned on, I can't figure out how to get rid of just one extension in order to replace it with a custom line. Is this possible? -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
On 9/29/05, Barbara Touburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, select it and press delete (choose lyrics - edit word extensions first of course) Thanks! Sometimes I'm looking so hard for a workaround that I don't even see the things that are staring me in the face... thanks for pointing out my blind spot. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Edit left side of word extension?
On Sep 29, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 9/29/05, Barbara Touburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, select it and press delete (choose lyrics - edit word extensions first of course) Thanks! Sometimes I'm looking so hard for a workaround that I don't even see the things that are staring me in the face... thanks for pointing out my blind spot. Hi Brad, You are not alone. That stuff happens to many of us, and age and experience are no guarantee that your brain is always looking in the right place, even when it knows the answer you're seeking. I'm laughing with you. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
