Re: [Finale] Is this a bug? (Fin08 WinXP)

[toronado455]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

> How are you entering the notes,using the computer keyboard, or a MIDI
> device?


Normally I use a MIDI device. The problem/bug does not occur when using
Speedy entry with only the computer keyboard ("Use MIDI Device For Input"
UNchecked).




>  Also, what is the position of the speedy entry cursor at the point at
> which you move to the other window, is it on the note you just entered, or
> on the note you are ready to enter?  I use a MIDI device. When I enter a
> note in speedy, the cursor advances to the next position as soon as I've
> entered the note. Now, if the cursor is on a note I've entered, and I switch
> to another window, and back to Finale, the cursor is where I left it. Same
> if I have the cursor waiting at the next available position: if I switch to
> another window, and back to Finale, the cursor is in the same position.


This is all exactly as you describe on my machine as well.



>
>
> I do not think that what you are seeing is a bug; rather I suspect that
> there is some obscure checkbox in a little noted corner of a dialog box
> which has had a check added or removed without your recognizing it.


I suspect some sort of MIDI issue here as well.
Another way to describe this "bug" would be as follows:

Normal behavior:
1. Hold down a pitch (say "G") on the MIDI keyboard
2. Press the number 4 on the computer keyboard
3. A "G" eighth note appears on the staff as it should
4. Press the number 4 again on the computer keyboard (without playing any
pitch on the MIDI keyboard)
5. An eighth note rest appears as it should

"Bug" appears when:
1. Hold down a pitch (say "G") on the MIDI keyboard
2. Press the number 4 on the computer keyboard
3. A "G" eighth note appears on the staff as it should
4. Switch to some other Windows program, and switch back to Finale
5. Press the number 4 again on the computer keyboard (without playing any
pitch on the MIDI keyboard)
6. Another "G" eighth note appears (instead of an eighth note rest) - this
is the "bug"

As you can see, pressing down any other pitch on the MIDI keyboard at this
point would cause a chord to appear as the new note you are pressing down
gets entered together with the "G" that is "stuck" in there.

I've noticed that using the "0" key to toggle in and out of the editing
frame has no effect on the bug, nor does using the arrow keys to move to
other measures. The "G" remains "stuck" in there. However, clicking with the
mouse on some blank white space area in the window and then clicking back
into the editing frame restores normal behavior.
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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug? (Fin08 WinXP)

[Noel Stoutenburg]

toronado...@gmail.com wrote:


Finale 2008a, Windows XP Home
  


Sorry, you had it in the subject line, and for some reason I missed it.  
I'm not sure why this is happening. As long as I've been using Finale, 
the default behavior has been to advance the cursor to the next position 
after entering a note or chord on a beat in Speedy entry. In the 
interest of full disclosure, I should also note that while I own 2k8, I 
do not presently have it installed, though I did check the behavior of 
both later (2k9) and earlier (2k3) versions. Some followups to your 
original question: 


Enter a single note in speedy, switch to a different open running program
window (alt-tab or click on different window), switch back to Finale, enter
the next single note in the measure, it creates two notes (a chord instead
of just the single note you enter) comprised of the note you just entered
and the previous note.


How are you entering the notes,using the computer keyboard, or a MIDI 
device?  Also, what is the position of the speedy entry cursor at the 
point at which you move to the other window, is it on the note you just 
entered, or on the note you are ready to enter?  I use a MIDI device. 
When I enter a note in speedy, the cursor advances to the next position 
as soon as I've entered the note. Now, if the cursor is on a note I've 
entered, and I switch to another window, and back to Finale, the cursor 
is where I left it. Same if I have the cursor waiting at the next 
available position: if I switch to another window, and back to Finale, 
the cursor is in the same position.


I do not think that what you are seeing is a bug; rather I suspect that 
there is some obscure checkbox in a little noted corner of a dialog box 
which has had a check added or removed without your recognizing it.


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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug? (Fin08 WinXP)

[toronado455]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

> toronado...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Enter a single note in speedy, switch to a different open running program
>> window (alt-tab or click on different window), switch back to Finale,
>> enter
>> the next single note in the measure, it creates two notes (a chord instead
>> of just the single note you enter) comprised of the note you just entered
>> and the previous note.
>>
>
> I just tried the steps as you described them, and find I do not get the
> behavior you must described. When I c enter the second single note, I get a
> melodic interval, not a harmonic one.  What version of Finale, and what
> platform are you using?
>

Finale 2008a, Windows XP Home
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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug? (Fin08 WinXP)

[Noel Stoutenburg]

toronado...@gmail.com wrote:

Enter a single note in speedy, switch to a different open running program
window (alt-tab or click on different window), switch back to Finale, enter
the next single note in the measure, it creates two notes (a chord instead
of just the single note you enter) comprised of the note you just entered
and the previous note.


I just tried the steps as you described them, and find I do not get the 
behavior you must described. When I c enter the second single note, I 
get a melodic interval, not a harmonic one.  What version of Finale, and 
what platform are you using?


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[Finale] Is this a bug? (Fin08 WinXP)

[toronado455]

Enter a single note in speedy, switch to a different open running program
window (alt-tab or click on different window), switch back to Finale, enter
the next single note in the measure, it creates two notes (a chord instead
of just the single note you enter) comprised of the note you just entered
and the previous note.
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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 22.06.2007 Andrew Stiller wrote:

But you don't have to make this choice! To exclude a measure from numbering, 
simply end the numbering region before it and start a new one after it. I do 
this all the time.


Yes, that's what I did over years, but the new method is infinitely 
simpler to handle.


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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[Christopher Smith]

On Jun 22, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Will Denayer wrote:



Hi Christopher,

Thanks for your answer. As to your questions, I never touched the  
box in Measures Attributes and I did not create a mirror.
I know I need to cancel the pizz. marking with an arco marking,  
but  this cannot explain this phenomenon because otherwise the  
first and the third notes in the second measure (bar?) would also  
be pizz.




I'm stuck then. Try tech support.


I also came across something else. I was writing a short bridge for  
harp solo, it's in 4/4. I decided to include one measure in 3/4.  
After I did this, the measures did not longer fill in with rests as  
they always do (I did not change the command for this). I had  
measures in 4/4 with only 3 beats and measures in 3/4 with only two  
beats. The end of the solo is a glissando which I wrote out  
completely in 32 notes. These notes and their signs got jammed  
together and are now completely unreadable - the measure did not  
become 'longer' when putting a lot of notes in it; it became  
'shorter' when I put the 3/4 measure in.  What am I doing wrong?


Hard to tell just from your description, but...

If this is something that has just stopped working, then it might be  
Finale bugging out. Quit and restart Finale and see if it still  
happens the same way. Try with a new document, as there seems to more  
likelihood of file corruption in 2007. Make sure "Auto fill with  
rests" and "space measure upon exiting Speedy frame" are checked, as  
sometimes certain items get unchecked by themselves (gamma radiation,  
or gremlins, or small children...)


Have you tried respacing the measure? Select it in Mass Edit, hit 4.

Do you have the layout locked (in Page View you will see little  
padlocks beside the systems in the right margin)? Unlock layout and  
then update layout, so as to allow the packed measures to flow to the  
next system if necessary. The measure will be very crowded indeed if  
you haven't left space on the line to allow for the new notes.


Christopher


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[Finale] Is this a bug?

[Will Denayer]

Hi Christopher, 

Thanks for your answer. As to your questions, I never touched the box in 
Measures Attributes and I did not create a mirror. 
I know I need to cancel the pizz. marking with an arco marking, but  this 
cannot explain this phenomenon because otherwise the first and the third notes 
in the second measure (bar?) would also be pizz. 

I also came across something else. I was writing a short bridge for harp solo, 
it's in 4/4. I decided to include one measure in 3/4. After I did this, the 
measures did not longer fill in with rests as they always do (I did not change 
the command for this). I had measures in 4/4 with only 3 beats and measures in 
3/4 with only two beats. The end of the solo is a glissando which I wrote out 
completely in 32 notes. These notes and their signs got jammed together and are 
now completely unreadable - the measure did not become 'longer' when putting a 
lot of notes in it; it became 'shorter' when I put the 3/4 measure in.  What am 
I doing wrong? 

Dennis, thank you for the explanation and the picture. 

Thank you for reading and with best regards,  

Will 

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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[Andrew Stiller]

On Jun 22, 2007, at 2:03 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:


On 22.06.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:
1) did you ever check the box in Measure Attributes "do not include 
in measure numbering"? Don't use this, as it causes lots of weird 
things to happen, like edits affect more than one measure at a time. 
Double-click the measure with the Measure Tool to check.


To the best of my knowledge this bug only appears when you have Finale 
display the defined measure numbers. If you switch off this option in 
the preferences (program options) the bug will no longer show.


I have decided that the usefulness of excluding measures from the 
numbering (ie for pickups, mid-measure repeats) far outweighs the loss 
of the defined bar numbers.




But you don't have to make this choice! To exclude a measure from 
numbering, simply end the numbering region before it and start a new 
one after it. I do this all the time.


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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 22.06.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:

1) did you ever check the box in Measure Attributes "do not include in measure 
numbering"? Don't use this, as it causes lots of weird things to happen, like edits 
affect more than one measure at a time. Double-click the measure with the Measure Tool to 
check.


To the best of my knowledge this bug only appears when you have Finale 
display the defined measure numbers. If you switch off this option in 
the preferences (program options) the bug will no longer show.


I have decided that the usefulness of excluding measures from the 
numbering (ie for pickups, mid-measure repeats) far outweighs the loos 
of the defined bar numbers.


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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[Christopher Smith]

On Jun 21, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:



On Jun 21, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Will Denayer wrote:


Hello,

I was playing with the articulation tool, 3 measures in 4/4, all  
quarter notes for violin KS. I put a pluck symbol above the second  
and the fourth note of the first measure to see if the playback  
would be right. It is, but the programme plays the second and the  
fourth note of the second and the third measure (where I did not  
put any marks) also as plucks. I closed the document and opened a  
new one and did exactly the same. The playback is still wrong. How  
can I remedy this? Is this a bug?


Sounds like a bug!

I ask two questions that might have something to do with it.

1) did you ever check the box in Measure Attributes "do not include  
in measure numbering"? Don't use this, as it causes lots of weird  
things to happen, like edits affect more than one measure at a  
time. Double-click the measure with the Measure Tool to check.


2) Did you create a mirror in the third measure? If you mirrored  
the 1st measure in the 3rd measure, then anything you do to the 1st  
measure also gets done to the 3rd.




wait a minute, I just thought of something.

You have to cancel a pizz marking with an arco marking, otherwise the  
computer (and the player) don't know to go back to bowed.


Was this it?

Christopher



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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[Christopher Smith]

On Jun 21, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Will Denayer wrote:


Hello,

I was playing with the articulation tool, 3 measures in 4/4, all  
quarter notes for violin KS. I put a pluck symbol above the second  
and the fourth note of the first measure to see if the playback  
would be right. It is, but the programme plays the second and the  
fourth note of the second and the third measure (where I did not  
put any marks) also as plucks. I closed the document and opened a  
new one and did exactly the same. The playback is still wrong. How  
can I remedy this? Is this a bug?


Sounds like a bug!

I ask two questions that might have something to do with it.

1) did you ever check the box in Measure Attributes "do not include  
in measure numbering"? Don't use this, as it causes lots of weird  
things to happen, like edits affect more than one measure at a time.  
Double-click the measure with the Measure Tool to check.


2) Did you create a mirror in the third measure? If you mirrored the  
1st measure in the 3rd measure, then anything you do to the 1st  
measure also gets done to the 3rd.


Christopher


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[Finale] Is this a bug?

[Will Denayer]

Hello, 

I was playing with the articulation tool, 3 measures in 4/4, all quarter notes 
for violin KS. I put a pluck symbol above the second and the fourth note of the 
first measure to see if the playback would be right. It is, but the programme 
plays the second and the fourth note of the second and the third measure (where 
I did not put any marks) also as plucks. I closed the document and opened a new 
one and did exactly the same. The playback is still wrong. How can I remedy 
this? Is this a bug? 

Best regards, 

Will 

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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[dhbailey]

JD wrote:
on 12/2/04 12:02 PM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Partial measures can be tricky and I've found it's 'where' you click in the
destination measure.
I learned something new!
So I tried to take the advantage of this.  I have eight 8th notes run in
one 4/4 measure, which I tried to copy to somewhere else starting at the
'and' of 4.  I clicked the very fine end of the measure but paste
happened from 'on' 4 instead.
What is the expected behavior?

I don't think I've EVER been able to get Finale to take a source like that
and paste it with ANY kind of rhythmic displacement.  It will associate beat
to beat, but not beat to half-beat.  I just tried this and I could not get
it to work.  Now it may be a different story with different time sigs.  I
was using 4/4.
I wonder if he changed the time signature to 8/8, copied the section he 
wanted, offset by that 8th-note's-worth, then changed the time signature 
back, if it might work.

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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[Brad Beyenhof]

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:24:25 -0800, JD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 12/2/04 12:02 PM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > So I tried to take the advantage of this.  I have eight 8th notes run in
> > one 4/4 measure, which I tried to copy to somewhere else starting at the
> > 'and' of 4.  I clicked the very fine end of the measure but paste
> > happened from 'on' 4 instead.
> >
> > What is the expected behavior?
> 
> I don't think I've EVER been able to get Finale to take a source like that
> and paste it with ANY kind of rhythmic displacement.  It will associate beat
> to beat, but not beat to half-beat.  I just tried this and I could not get
> it to work.  Now it may be a different story with different time sigs.  I
> was using 4/4.

Partial measure selection is quantized to the beat. For example, 4/4
can only select durations consisting of full quarter notes. However,
if you temporarily change the target section to 8/8 instead of 4/4 you
can copy starting on "4 and" since Finale's beat is now an eighth
note. Then you can change the signature back to 4/4 and it should look
the way you want. Finale will not change notes that span beat 3 into
two tied notes, though, so you have to be on the lookout and change
this yourself.

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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[JD]

on 12/2/04 12:02 PM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Partial measures can be tricky and I've found it's 'where' you click in the
>> destination measure.
> 
> I learned something new!
> 
> So I tried to take the advantage of this.  I have eight 8th notes run in
> one 4/4 measure, which I tried to copy to somewhere else starting at the
> 'and' of 4.  I clicked the very fine end of the measure but paste
> happened from 'on' 4 instead.
> 
> What is the expected behavior?

I don't think I've EVER been able to get Finale to take a source like that
and paste it with ANY kind of rhythmic displacement.  It will associate beat
to beat, but not beat to half-beat.  I just tried this and I could not get
it to work.  Now it may be a different story with different time sigs.  I
was using 4/4.

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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[A-NO-NE Music]

JD / 04.12.2 / 10:30AM wrote:

>Partial measures can be tricky and I've found it's 'where' you click in the
>destination measure. 

I learned something new!

So I tried to take the advantage of this.  I have eight 8th notes run in
one 4/4 measure, which I tried to copy to somewhere else starting at the
'and' of 4.  I clicked the very fine end of the measure but paste
happened from 'on' 4 instead.

What is the expected behavior?

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Re: [Finale] Is this a bug?

[JD]

on 12/2/04 6:38 AM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Until this list made me realize you can double click to select entire
> measure when Partial Measure is selected, I didn't leave Partial Measure
> option on.
> 
> Now I have it on all the time but I found myself MasMover intermittently
> fails to work on both FinMac 2k4 and 2k5.  I know some feature does not
> work when Partial Measure is selected, but I am talking about just simple
> copying of notes or other entry element which should not have any problem
> when Partial Measure is selected.
> 
> In fact, when I get this problem, all what I have to do is to unselect
> Partial Measure, make one MasMover operation, undo, turn Partial Measure
> on, do the same operation and it works this time.
> 
> Is this a known bug?
> 
> And is there a hotkey to toggle Partial Measure option?

Hiro,

Partial measures can be tricky and I've found it's 'where' you click in the
destination measure.  Then things can get interesting.  When I'm trying to
copy beat 4 into beat 4 of a new measure, I don't always get what I want as
far as placement.  Most of the time it's just a matter of undo and trying it
again.  That being said, I still use it frequently, especially when using
Patterson's plugins and TGTools.

I have a QuicKey that toggles its state.  There isn't one built in to
Finale.

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[Finale] Is this a bug?

[A-NO-NE Music]

Until this list made me realize you can double click to select entire
measure when Partial Measure is selected, I didn't leave Partial Measure
option on.

Now I have it on all the time but I found myself MasMover intermittently
fails to work on both FinMac 2k4 and 2k5.  I know some feature does not
work when Partial Measure is selected, but I am talking about just simple
copying of notes or other entry element which should not have any problem
when Partial Measure is selected.

In fact, when I get this problem, all what I have to do is to unselect
Partial Measure, make one MasMover operation, undo, turn Partial Measure
on, do the same operation and it works this time.

Is this a known bug?

And is there a hotkey to toggle Partial Measure option?

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