Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I've done that and *still* had Finale print a page differently than it appears on screen. Not often, though. Aaron. On 12/29/2014 7:06 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On Dec 29, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote: Maybe I ought to lock everything before printing! Of course you should! Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On a side note and if you’d not come across it: Jari’s ‘JW Copy Part Layout’ plugin is tremendous and saves a huge amount of time. Steve P. On 30 Dec 2014, at 20:09, Aaron Sherber aa...@sherber.com wrote: I've done that and *still* had Finale print a page differently than it appears on screen. Not often, though. Aaron. On 12/29/2014 7:06 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On Dec 29, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote: Maybe I ought to lock everything before printing! Of course you should! Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Yes, I have had Signs and Coda symbols move to a completely different place after all the staves are locked. I have also been seeing a weird one that isn't really related to printing (I hope). I have some parts entered two-to-a-staff using layers 1 and 2. When I do playback, some of the stems flip the other way and cause the articulations to move accordingly. It goes back to the right placement when I stop playback, but this is quite disconcerting. It is hard enough to get the music looking right without the music moving around on its own. On 12/30/2014 3:09 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: I've done that and *still* had Finale print a page differently than it appears on screen. Not often, though. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Ah, THAT is a strange thing, but I have seen it often! If you move one instance of a repeat marking, it doesn't move in other parts until you update layout. You have to jump through hoops a bit to get them to obey where you put them, and it all changes as soon as a staff has different sizing. This has made me put DSes and Codas in as expressions instead of as repeat texts, thus screwing up the playback. The only thing you have to watch for is a DS at the end of a multi measure repeat. You will have to enter a new one on the linked part and hide it in the score. Repeat texts show up properly on repeats. Christopher On Tue Dec 30, at TuesdayDec 30 4:26 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Yes, I have had Signs and Coda symbols move to a completely different place after all the staves are locked. I have also been seeing a weird one that isn't really related to printing (I hope). I have some parts entered two-to-a-staff using layers 1 and 2. When I do playback, some of the stems flip the other way and cause the articulations to move accordingly. It goes back to the right placement when I stop playback, but this is quite disconcerting. It is hard enough to get the music looking right without the music moving around on its own. On 12/30/2014 3:09 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: I've done that and *still* had Finale print a page differently than it appears on screen. Not often, though. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
What causes that parsing while printing? That has bitten me on several occasions. Reformatting while printing is bad enough as it is, but reformatting so illogically while printing is very annoying. It reminds me of the feature that messes with mm rests unless I uncheck that program (or document) option. Maybe I ought to lock everything before printing! Jim Sent from my iPad I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On Dec 29, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote: Maybe I ought to lock everything before printing! Of course you should! Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I should try scroll view / page view prior to printing. When I get home. No one else has experienced this? On Dec 28, 2014 6:55 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
There used to be a spacing option somewhere that forced X-number of measures on each system. For the life of me I can't find it now, but that might be the source of the problem if it still exists. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I should try scroll view / page view prior to printing. When I get home. No one else has experienced this? On Dec 28, 2014 6:55 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On Mac, cmd-sh M (probably ctr sh M on Windows) is the Fit Music command. You have to choose a passage first. Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 10:09 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: There used to be a spacing option somewhere that forced X-number of measures on each system. For the life of me I can't find it now, but that might be the source of the problem if it still exists. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I should try scroll view / page view prior to printing. When I get home. No one else has experienced this? On Dec 28, 2014 6:55 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I, like you, wait until the end to enact staff system locks. But then I lock EVERYTHING! I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Dec 28, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
What could be going on with the OP is that the default file used to start the project contained the locks already. A long-term issue with Finale is that if you create a piece with locked systems, especially if only a system is locked here and there, when you delete the measures the locks are retained. The issue may have been fixed in recent versions, but if you carried forward a default file from earlier versions, it might have this issue. The way to fix it is to add a bunch of measures to your default file (1000 is probably enough) then select all and unlock systems, then delete the measures down to the number you want in your default file, then save. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: I, like you, wait until the end to enact staff system locks. But then I lock EVERYTHING! I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Yes, I am sure you are right. But you also have to repeat the break locks FOR EVERY SEPARATE PART. So this little fix might end up taking a few minutes for a large orchestra score. And large orchestra scores with voiced linked parts are exactly the type of file that benefits from having a template ready to go (it's a giant pain to create those voiced part after the Setup Wizard!) Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 11:52 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: What could be going on with the OP is that the default file used to start the project contained the locks already. A long-term issue with Finale is that if you create a piece with locked systems, especially if only a system is locked here and there, when you delete the measures the locks are retained. The issue may have been fixed in recent versions, but if you carried forward a default file from earlier versions, it might have this issue. The way to fix it is to add a bunch of measures to your default file (1000 is probably enough) then select all and unlock systems, then delete the measures down to the number you want in your default file, then save. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: I, like you, wait until the end to enact staff system locks. But then I lock EVERYTHING! I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: voiced linked parts ??? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Hi all Just to state the obvious, when moving measures that affect systems 10 and 11 and you do an update layout, you must do so at least from the page that contains system 10. Update layout doesn't work globally but only from the current location forward. Andrew Levin Often, when I move systems, the file fails to update and shows one system in two places at once. Alt-U doesn't help. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
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I appreciate all suggestions, but I don't think that was the problem, Andrew. I'll observe more closely if it happens again. On Dec 28, 2014 1:35 PM, Andrew Levin ale...@clemson.edu wrote: Hi all Just to state the obvious, when moving measures that affect systems 10 and 11 and you do an update layout, you must do so at least from the page that contains system 10. Update layout doesn't work globally but only from the current location forward. Andrew Levin Often, when I move systems, the file fails to update and shows one system in two places at once. Alt-U doesn't help. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Linked parts, I imagine you know that it only means that the parts are contained in the same file as the score. Voiced means that 2 flutes can share the same score staff, yet each have their own separate linked part, using the voicing rules you set up in the part definition. Say, flute 1 uses only the top note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 1 when there are two layers. Flute 2 uses the only the bottom note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 2 when there are two layers. Using voiced linked parts saves a lot of bother, but there are two huge obstacles still, which are cues and grace notes. Cues are a problem when you have used the voicing rules to include only one layer, but your cues have to be in a second layer. There are kludges for this, but it is much easier just to have a separate file from the score file with all the linked parts in it (NOT voiced, but split to their own staves). Grace notes do not space correctly when used on a voiced linked part. This is a bug. Unvoiced linked parts are fine, so the same solution (separate parts file) can save you, or just extract the flute parts to their own files. Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 12:22 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: voiced linked parts ??? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Thanks! Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Linked parts, I imagine you know that it only means that the parts are contained in the same file as the score. Voiced means that 2 flutes can share the same score staff, yet each have their own separate linked part, using the voicing rules you set up in the part definition. Say, flute 1 uses only the top note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 1 when there are two layers. Flute 2 uses the only the bottom note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 2 when there are two layers. Using voiced linked parts saves a lot of bother, but there are two huge obstacles still, which are cues and grace notes. Cues are a problem when you have used the voicing rules to include only one layer, but your cues have to be in a second layer. There are kludges for this, but it is much easier just to have a separate file from the score file with all the linked parts in it (NOT voiced, but split to their own staves). Grace notes do not space correctly when used on a voiced linked part. This is a bug. Unvoiced linked parts are fine, so the same solution (separate parts file) can save you, or just extract the flute parts to their own files. Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 12:22 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: voiced linked parts ??? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Thanks, I know that method and am forced to use it every time I move a measure to another system. I am looking for a way to eliminate locked systems. I don’t want Finale to lock anything automatically. Larry On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:28 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: And you can easily clear all locks by selecting the entire score and doing ctl-shft-L (I believe that is the command on Windows). On 12/22/2014 3:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: To my knowledge, the only time Finale will lock the systems is either by the keyboard command, CMD-L, or if you physically move a measure to another system using the old Mass Mover tool, now the Selection tool. Otherwise they stay unlocked. I know this because there have been many times where I’ve forgotten to lock the systems and Finale moves measures in a way I was not expecting. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Happy Holidays, Listers I am using FinMac 2k11c.r1 on a Mac Mini running Mavericks. Is there a way to prevent Finale from locking my systems? I prefer to have control over this feature, instead of it having control of me. Please advise. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Ah, but that's exactly the issue -- you're moving measures by hand to another system. Finale has used its spacing algorithm to decide where it thinks measures should go, and you're overriding that. If Finale *didn't* lock the systems, then your measure would just pop back to where it came from. The lock is what keeps things where you put them. In my workflow, I find that I most often move a measure or two down a system, in order to make more room on the previous one. So if I move a measure from system 10 to system 11, Finale does lock both of them -- and then I usually wind up unlocking system 11 so that it and the following systems will reflow. It's a minor hassle, but it makes sense because Finale has no way of knowing my real intentions -- maybe I did mean for system 11 to have one more measure, rather than wanting to have things reflow. (If I unlocked both 10 and 11, Finale's spacing algorithm would eventually put the measure back on system 10 -- either when it runs automatically or when I choose Update Layout.) Aaron. On 12/27/2014 10:22 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Thanks, I know that method and am forced to use it every time I move a measure to another system. I am looking for a way to eliminate locked systems. I don’t want Finale to lock anything automatically. Larry On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:28 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: And you can easily clear all locks by selecting the entire score and doing ctl-shft-L (I believe that is the command on Windows). On 12/22/2014 3:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: To my knowledge, the only time Finale will lock the systems is either by the keyboard command, CMD-L, or if you physically move a measure to another system using the old Mass Mover tool, now the Selection tool. Otherwise they stay unlocked. I know this because there have been many times where I’ve forgotten to lock the systems and Finale moves measures in a way I was not expecting. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Happy Holidays, Listers I am using FinMac 2k11c.r1 on a Mac Mini running Mavericks. Is there a way to prevent Finale from locking my systems? I prefer to have control over this feature, instead of it having control of me. Please advise. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Often, when I move systems, the file fails to update and shows one system in two places at once. Alt-U doesn't help. If I exit the file (or even exit the part I am editing) and come back, all is well, but herein lies the rub: If I print without doing one of those exits, I get multiple copies of the same system. This bit me just before Xmas on a chart for middle schoolers in which we had only two rehearsals(!) so I know it can hurt. Any solutions are appreciated! Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Aaron Sherber aa...@sherber.com wrote: Ah, but that's exactly the issue -- you're moving measures by hand to another system. Finale has used its spacing algorithm to decide where it thinks measures should go, and you're overriding that. If Finale *didn't* lock the systems, then your measure would just pop back to where it came from. The lock is what keeps things where you put them. In my workflow, I find that I most often move a measure or two down a system, in order to make more room on the previous one. So if I move a measure from system 10 to system 11, Finale does lock both of them -- and then I usually wind up unlocking system 11 so that it and the following systems will reflow. It's a minor hassle, but it makes sense because Finale has no way of knowing my real intentions -- maybe I did mean for system 11 to have one more measure, rather than wanting to have things reflow. (If I unlocked both 10 and 11, Finale's spacing algorithm would eventually put the measure back on system 10 -- either when it runs automatically or when I choose Update Layout.) Aaron. On 12/27/2014 10:22 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Thanks, I know that method and am forced to use it every time I move a measure to another system. I am looking for a way to eliminate locked systems. I don’t want Finale to lock anything automatically. Larry On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:28 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: And you can easily clear all locks by selecting the entire score and doing ctl-shft-L (I believe that is the command on Windows). On 12/22/2014 3:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: To my knowledge, the only time Finale will lock the systems is either by the keyboard command, CMD-L, or if you physically move a measure to another system using the old Mass Mover tool, now the Selection tool. Otherwise they stay unlocked. I know this because there have been many times where I’ve forgotten to lock the systems and Finale moves measures in a way I was not expecting. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Happy Holidays, Listers I am using FinMac 2k11c.r1 on a Mac Mini running Mavericks. Is there a way to prevent Finale from locking my systems? I prefer to have control over this feature, instead of it having control of me. Please advise. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. On 12/27/2014 10:22 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Thanks, I know that method and am forced to use it every time I move a measure to another system. I am looking for a way to eliminate locked systems. I don’t want Finale to lock anything automatically. Larry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Yes, page view. Thanks On Dec 27, 2014 7:50 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. On 12/27/2014 10:22 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Thanks, I know that method and am forced to use it every time I move a measure to another system. I am looking for a way to eliminate locked systems. I don’t want Finale to lock anything automatically. Larry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
And you can easily clear all locks by selecting the entire score and doing ctl-shft-L (I believe that is the command on Windows). On 12/22/2014 3:38 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: To my knowledge, the only time Finale will lock the systems is either by the keyboard command, CMD-L, or if you physically move a measure to another system using the old Mass Mover tool, now the Selection tool. Otherwise they stay unlocked. I know this because there have been many times where I’ve forgotten to lock the systems and Finale moves measures in a way I was not expecting. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Happy Holidays, Listers I am using FinMac 2k11c.r1 on a Mac Mini running Mavericks. Is there a way to prevent Finale from locking my systems? I prefer to have control over this feature, instead of it having control of me. Please advise. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Locked systems
Happy Holidays, Listers I am using FinMac 2k11c.r1 on a Mac Mini running Mavericks. Is there a way to prevent Finale from locking my systems? I prefer to have control over this feature, instead of it having control of me. Please advise. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
To my knowledge, the only time Finale will lock the systems is either by the keyboard command, CMD-L, or if you physically move a measure to another system using the old Mass Mover tool, now the Selection tool. Otherwise they stay unlocked. I know this because there have been many times where I’ve forgotten to lock the systems and Finale moves measures in a way I was not expecting. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Happy Holidays, Listers I am using FinMac 2k11c.r1 on a Mac Mini running Mavericks. Is there a way to prevent Finale from locking my systems? I prefer to have control over this feature, instead of it having control of me. Please advise. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] locked systems and errant pdfs
We're experiencing similar problems and hoping several people have solutions? mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Forwarded Message - From: eisenb...@aol.com To: mmathew1...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 11:00:37 AM Subject: Re: Updated glossary Michael , I’ve locked in the systems as you described a few weeks ago. However sometimes the systems become unlocked and that is really annoying. Basically, as I work on the score I save the changes. As I lock the systems down I then save the changes. Then when I want to close out the document, Finale asks me if I want to save the changes. If I do save the changes , at this closing point, the systems become unlocked and the score becomes a mess. So at the closing point, I do not save the changes. The PDF is a reflection of the way I want the layout/reading of the score to look. Even if I change notes, add instructions, expressions or other parts, I will not be adding measures. I want the systems locked down so it doesn’t get messed up. Do you have any suggestions for this? Also, sometimes Finale hides accidentals. We can’t have that. As a precaution, I’ve gone through a lot of parts and added naturals to notes that don’t have accidentals. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
