Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Robert Patterson]

For spacing *systems* I use Space Staff Systems (formerly JW Space Staff
Systems). For widening or narrowing staff spacing within a system I use
TGTools Scale Staff Positions (which is available in 64 bit).

For individual staff spacing, I drag them directly in Finale. If you are
careful, the changes in Finale since Fin08 are quite an improvement. If you
are not careful, you will completely screw up your score, because with
large scores of one system-per-page, there is no visual feedback for if you
are dragging the staff on that system or for all systems. I've learned (the
hard way) to be careful.

There's nothing new in 64 bit TGTools that I've found, but being 64 bit is
huge. It's an enormous dev effort, at least on Mac, and well worth the
upgrade if you care about TGTools. Also, TGTools has not been updated for
fundamental changes in Finale since about Finale 2007. My impression is
that Tobias is addressing those issues as well.



On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:48 AM, Eric Dannewitz 
wrote:

> Besides being 64bit and version 3, what other things are different in
> TGTools for Finale 25? Other than the steep upgrade price?
>
>
>
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 11:29 PM, dc  wrote:
> >
> > Many thanks, Robert, for your reply.
> >
> > Le 26/11/2016 14:48, Robert Patterson écrit :
> >> I'd need to know your specific use case to
> >> comment on how you might go about it.
> >
> > I use the staff list manager after the general layout of the score on
> > the pages is determined, to adjust the space between the staves in some
> > or all of the systems.
> >
> > If I have a page with one less system, for instance, I might add a
> > little space between the staves of all the systems of the page, to
> > reduce the gap between the systems.
> >
> > Or, for individual systems, I might need to add space here and there if
> > things are too crowded (ledger lines, ties, expressions, etc. that can
> > require more space than usual). And then perhaps reduce the spacing to
> > compensate (around an empty staff, for instance).
> >
> > What is the tool for this if TGT doesn't work?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dennis
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Eric Dannewitz]

Besides being 64bit and version 3, what other things are different in TGTools 
for Finale 25? Other than the steep upgrade price?



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 11:29 PM, dc  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks, Robert, for your reply.
> 
> Le 26/11/2016 14:48, Robert Patterson écrit :
>> I'd need to know your specific use case to
>> comment on how you might go about it.
> 
> I use the staff list manager after the general layout of the score on 
> the pages is determined, to adjust the space between the staves in some 
> or all of the systems.
> 
> If I have a page with one less system, for instance, I might add a 
> little space between the staves of all the systems of the page, to 
> reduce the gap between the systems.
> 
> Or, for individual systems, I might need to add space here and there if 
> things are too crowded (ledger lines, ties, expressions, etc. that can 
> require more space than usual). And then perhaps reduce the spacing to 
> compensate (around an empty staff, for instance).
> 
> What is the tool for this if TGT doesn't work?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dennis
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Robert Patterson]

I've had essentially zero problems upgrading files from Fin08, but I hardly
ever upgrade files either. I still have Fin08 running in a virtual machine
if I need to modify them. (On Mac, Fin08 is no longer functional with
recent OS versions.)

Note-attached expressions become beat-attached, as do measure-attached
expressions. If you have any conversion issues from Fin08, this will be
where they are. Especially if your expressions are attached to grace notes.

Since Fin08 some useful tools are available directly in Finale for
manipulating staff layout. I'd need to know your specific use case to
comment on how you might go about it. There is a beta version of staff list
manager for Fin14.5 that works pretty well. But it often mangles your staff
groups. This is because TGTools was never updated to recognize the major
change in how staff groups work that came in Fin11. (Staff groups are now
attached to measure ranges, not systems.) Nevertheless I have been known to
open my file in Fin14.5, make changes with staff list manager, then reopen
it in Fin25. One of the advantages of .musx is that it can be opened and
saved in earlier Finale versions. (back to Fin14)




On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:24 AM, dc  wrote:

> Le 26/11/2016 14:12, Robert Patterson écrit :
> > RP plugins are fully functional in Fin25, including many new features
> > unavailable in Fin08. TGTools is available in a beta release that
> includes
> > almost everything I use. The one feature I use still not available is the
> > staff list manager and optimization copying. (I got so impatient for
> usable
> > optimization copying that I have added it as a feature for the next
> release
> > of rp's.)
> >
> > I'm not sure where JW stands at this point. Two of his most commonly used
> > plugins now come standard with finale, including fin25: staff spacing and
> > system divider. Both Jari and Tobias have publicly committed to full 64
> bit
> > versions of their plugins.
> >
> > There are many useful improvements in finale since fin08. I would not go
> > back. But you will end up missing note-attached expressions. To this day
> I
> > resent that confiscation of features by Makemusic more than any other
> > confiscation they've foisted on us.
>
> Thanks, Robert, for the comments. What happens to old file that do have
> note-attached expressions?
>
> Are there any major issues when converting old (2008) files?
>
> I use TGT's staff list manager every day to add or remove space between
> staves. How does one manage, so to speak, without it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Robert Patterson]

RP plugins are fully functional in Fin25, including many new features
unavailable in Fin08. TGTools is available in a beta release that includes
almost everything I use. The one feature I use still not available is the
staff list manager and optimization copying. (I got so impatient for usable
optimization copying that I have added it as a feature for the next release
of rp's.)

I'm not sure where JW stands at this point. Two of his most commonly used
plugins now come standard with finale, including fin25: staff spacing and
system divider. Both Jari and Tobias have publicly committed to full 64 bit
versions of their plugins.

There are many useful improvements in finale since fin08. I would not go
back. But you will end up missing note-attached expressions. To this day I
resent that confiscation of features by Makemusic more than any other
confiscation they've foisted on us.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 1:21 AM, dc  wrote:

> I'm still using Finale 2008 and haven't upgraded for years mainly out of
> laziness.
>
> I'm also concerned about old plug-ins I use every day - TGTools, RP's,
> and JW's. Which of these work in the latest version of Finale?
>
> Would you recommend taking advantage of this offer?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dennis
>
> Le 25/11/2016 20:54, Dean Rosenthal écrit :
> > Hello -
> >
> > Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
> >
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Wade Kotter]

It's a Monday only sale. Here's the text of the email I received earlier
today:

"This Monday we're offering a one day only sale on Finale. Owners of any
previous version of Finale, PrintMusic, or SongWriter will be able to snag
the new Finale for just $99.

We'll send you a reminder on Monday, but wanted to give you a heads up
today.

Offer will be available from 12:00 AM MST on Monday, November 28, 2016
until the clock strikes midnight 24 hours later."

This Facebook posts includes the promo code you will need to enter to get
the discount:

https://www.facebook.com/finalemusic/posts/10154760344282855

Not surprisingly, the promo code is CYBERMONDAY. Be sure to login to your
account to place your order so it knows that you are a registered owner of
a previous version.

Wade

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Graeme Gerrard 
wrote:

> Do you have a link to this offer?
> On https://store.makemusic.com/Store/default.aspx?tab=
> notation&_ga=1.267382154.502881300.1480126173 <
> https://store.makemusic.com/Store/default.aspx?tab=
> notation&_ga=1.267382154.502881300.1480126173>
> it’s still $600 and the upgrade is $149.
> > On 26 Nov. 2016, at 6:54 am, Dean Rosenthal 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello -
> >
> > Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > --
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Graeme Gerrard]

Do you have a link to this offer?
On 
https://store.makemusic.com/Store/default.aspx?tab=notation&_ga=1.267382154.502881300.1480126173
 

it’s still $600 and the upgrade is $149.
> On 26 Nov. 2016, at 6:54 am, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
> 
> Hello -
> 
> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade from 
> 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs gone - 
> will look that up. Thanks for your input. 
> 
> Dean
> 
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Mike Greensill]

Thanks folks...I think I'll stick with what I have and wait until this
computer dies. I'm actually quite happy with 2012, it does everything I
need. I have 2014 but don't like it much!

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
wrote:

> 10.9 can run 64 bit apps. You can check to see what your system is running
> by opening terminal and doing “uname -a”
>
> RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 means 64 bit is running
> RELEASE_I386 i386 is 32 bit.
>
> I’m sorta stuck on 10.9 due to a graphics card issue……i’d have to spend
> some $$ to get a new graphics card.
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Mike Greensill 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
> > the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?
> >
> > Love
> >
> > Mike G.
> >
> > www.mikegreensill.com
> >
> > cell - 707 235 5107
> > home - 707 967 9491
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal <
> deanrosent...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello -
> >>
> >> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
> >> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using
> TIFFs
> >> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
> >>
> >> Dean
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Eric Dannewitz]

10.9 can run 64 bit apps. You can check to see what your system is running by 
opening terminal and doing “uname -a”

RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 means 64 bit is running
RELEASE_I386 i386 is 32 bit.

I’m sorta stuck on 10.9 due to a graphics card issue……i’d have to spend some $$ 
to get a new graphics card.



> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Mike Greensill  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
> the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?
> 
> Love
> 
> Mike G.
> 
> www.mikegreensill.com
> 
> cell - 707 235 5107
> home - 707 967 9491
> 
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello -
>> 
>> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
>> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
>> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
>> 
>> Dean
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Eric Dannewitz]

10.10 or above only.

That’s one reason why I haven’t updated.


> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Mike Greensill  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
> the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?
> 
> Love
> 
> Mike G.
> 
> www.mikegreensill.com
> 
> cell - 707 235 5107
> home - 707 967 9491
> 
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello -
>> 
>> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
>> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
>> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
>> 
>> Dean
>> 
>> --
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>> www.deanrosenthal.org
>> www.stonespiece.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Wade Kotter]

Here are the system requirements:

http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/resources/system-requirements/

Wade

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Mike Greensill 
wrote:

> I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
> the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?
>
> Love
>
> Mike G.
>
> www.mikegreensill.com
>
> cell - 707 235 5107
> home - 707 967 9491
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello -
> >
> > Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
> > from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using
> TIFFs
> > gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Dean
> >
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Mike Greensill]

I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?

Love

Mike G.

www.mikegreensill.com

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal 
wrote:

> Hello -
>
> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
>
> Dean
>
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[Finale] Monday sale

[Dean Rosenthal]

Hello -

Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade from 
2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs gone - 
will look that up. Thanks for your input. 

Dean

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