Re: [Finale] MuseScore 3 is available now -- free (as it always is!)

[Craig Parmerlee]

I use Transcribe! regularly.  I don't rely much on the chord recognition 
because it isn't all that accurate.  If I am having trouble hearing a 
particular harmony, I might look at what Transcribe has detected.  
Sometimes it is helpful, but not nearly enough to generate MIDI notes 
accurately.


Recent versions of Band-in-a-Box come with the ability to detect chords 
and tempos from most pop music tracks.  This actually works surprisingly 
well once one learns a few tricks for pointing the software in the right 
direction.  I tested it when it first came out, enough to be really 
impressed. In my projects, I often reharmonize things, so I don't really 
save time by having BIAB analyze chords.  But it is really neat and can 
be instructive.


Probably the best note recognition in the industry as of today is in 
Celemony's Melodyne.  It can recognize polyphonics, but not in a full 
production with many instruments.  If you have a string quartet, for 
example, it might do a decent job of recognizing most of the notes.


On another plane, Izotope RX7 has a new feature that can "remix" a WAV 
or MP3.  It uses some AI processing to try to isolate vocals, bass, and 
percussion from the other musical elements, allowing you to boost or cut 
any of those.  It actually works pretty well in some cases.  But it 
doesn't identify individual notes.  Instead, it is looking for the 
overtone patterns that are typical of voices, bass, and percussion.


Ultimately, it should be possible for software to combine what Melodyne 
(individual note recognition) and RX7 (overtone analysis) do to "hear" 
as a human hears and make more sense out of it.  I don't think we are 
real close to that, however.  That's probably a decade away, but 
ultimately, it might be possible for software to listen to a recording 
and create a MusicXML score we could use as a starting point for a project.


I think the point of all of this (IMHO) is that some of the notation 
products seem to be managed as if they are at end of life.  I believe we 
are actually at the BEGINNING of an era.  I'd say the products to watch are


* Musescore, because of its widespread use and possibility of a very 
broad developer base if the project is managed aggressively.


* Notion, which is not very advanced compared to Sibelius, Finale and 
Dorico, but is leading in the integration with the DAW world (StudioOne 
in that case.)


* Dorico, because it is under very active development, is under the 
well-funded Yamaha umbrella, and benefits from Steinberg's deep DAW roots.


The other products seem to be mostly static.  If they do what one needs, 
stick with them, simple as that.  But I don't expect them to move into 
these new dimensions very quickly, if at all.





On 3/18/2019 6:12 PM, Graeme Gerrard wrote:

There is a program called Transcribe! that is intended as an aid in aurally 
transcribing music.  It has so many useful features in this regard.
But it can also generate a piano roll style notation that works reasonable 
well, even of polyphonic pieces. He has some contextual smarts in there for 
determining chords I think.
I have tried to encourage the designer, Seven Strings Software, 
https://www.seventhstring.com/, to elaborate on this to save the piano roll out 
as a midi or musicXML file.  He says he is not interested in doing this because 
he says it is important for people to do things aurally.  That’s all well and 
good, but I can’t help feeling like this would be a fantastic feature too.  
Someone will do it.



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Re: [Finale] MuseScore 3 is available now -- free (as it always is!)

[Giovanni Andreani]

Thank you David for sharing this!

Giovanni



Giovanni Andreani

www.giovanniandreani.com
www.ga-music.com


> On 14 Mar 2019, at 11:06, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> I am cross-posting this to two Finale groups and the Sibelius group, so I 
> apologize to those who may get this message 2 or 3 times.
> 
> MuseScore 3 has just been released and as always with whole number upgrades, 
> there is much improvement over the previous versions.
> 
> It's a totally free download, and for many people (students and 
> composers/arrangers who don't need the fully professional capabilities of 
> Finale or Sibelius or Dorico) it is an excellent tool to get musical thoughts 
> clearly printed.
> 
> 
> 
> It imports and exports MusicXML files (both uncompressed .mxl and compressed 
> .xml files) and there's even an experimental "Import PDF" function whereby 
> you upload a PDF of music to the musescore web-site and an on-line converter 
> tries to convert the PDF to a functional MuseScore file.  Once converted you 
> can download the converted file to your local hard-drive and open it in 
> MuseScore.  My simple trial returned excellent results!
> 
> MuseScore continues to astound me with the incredible leaps it takes with 
> each whole-number upgrade, and I urge you all to check it out, even if only 
> so that you can recommend it to others who may want a powerful notation 
> program but who can't afford Finale/Sibelius/Dorico.
> 
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Re: [Finale] MuseScore 3 is available now -- free (as it always is!)

[Graeme Gerrard]

There is a program called Transcribe! that is intended as an aid in aurally 
transcribing music.  It has so many useful features in this regard.
But it can also generate a piano roll style notation that works reasonable 
well, even of polyphonic pieces. He has some contextual smarts in there for 
determining chords I think.
I have tried to encourage the designer, Seven Strings Software, 
https://www.seventhstring.com/, to elaborate on this to save the piano roll out 
as a midi or musicXML file.  He says he is not interested in doing this because 
he says it is important for people to do things aurally.  That’s all well and 
good, but I can’t help feeling like this would be a fantastic feature too.  
Someone will do it.

> On 19 Mar 2019, at 7:59 am, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> On 3/18/2019 2:18 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> [snip]
>> That experimental PDF conversion is one such example.  Other examples might 
>> include:
>> * Handwriting recognition (on a touch screen)
>> * Polyphonic audio-to-notation
>> * Tighter integration with DAWs for the best possible playback
>> * "Harmonically aware" input modes (guiding to "proper" harmonies and 
>> voicings)
>> * Etc.
> [snip]
> 
> Handwriting recognition on a touch screen is already here -- there are 2 
> programs on iOS called Symphony Pro and Notion, both of which has handwriting 
> recognition.  There's a notation program at the Microsoft store which works 
> very well on the Surface tablet, called StaffPad which handles handwritten 
> notation very well.  All three of those can export MusicXML for import into 
> Finale/Sibelius/Dorico/MuseScore.
> 
> I have no clue how easy/difficult the rest would be, but handwriting 
> recognition is making great progress.
> 
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Re: [Finale] MuseScore 3 is available now -- free (as it always is!)

[David H. Bailey]

On 3/18/2019 2:18 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
[snip]
That experimental PDF conversion is one such example.  Other examples 
might include:


* Handwriting recognition (on a touch screen)
* Polyphonic audio-to-notation
* Tighter integration with DAWs for the best possible playback
* "Harmonically aware" input modes (guiding to "proper" harmonies and 
voicings)

* Etc.

[snip]

Handwriting recognition on a touch screen is already here -- there are 2 
programs on iOS called Symphony Pro and Notion, both of which has 
handwriting recognition.  There's a notation program at the Microsoft 
store which works very well on the Surface tablet, called StaffPad which 
handles handwritten notation very well.  All three of those can export 
MusicXML for import into Finale/Sibelius/Dorico/MuseScore.


I have no clue how easy/difficult the rest would be, but handwriting 
recognition is making great progress.


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Re: [Finale] MuseScore 3 is available now -- free (as it always is!)

[Craig Parmerlee]

Thanks for that brief synopsis.  The PDF import feature is very 
interesting.  I know that there are many people in each of the camps 
(Finale, Sibelius, Dorico et al) who really just want to see the best 
notation.  And of course, nobody is against having the best notation 
output possible.  But I believe strongly that all the products are 
converging around the ultimate in notation (one never gets there, but 
all products are pretty good).  The real differences in the future will 
be features that save time and improve the quality/accuracy of work.


That experimental PDF conversion is one such example.  Other examples 
might include:


* Handwriting recognition (on a touch screen)
* Polyphonic audio-to-notation
* Tighter integration with DAWs for the best possible playback
* "Harmonically aware" input modes (guiding to "proper" harmonies and 
voicings)

* Etc.

I don't claim that all these are easy or even completely possible.  But 
I do think there is a huge space available for the products to continue 
to add value way beyond the basics of notation.  In the past, Finale has 
been a leader in some of these areas, such as with the BIAB harmonizing 
(good idea that never really worked great) and the drum groove plug-in 
(again, a good idea never really taken to a high-quality result.)




On 3/14/2019 6:06 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
there's even an experimental "Import PDF" function whereby you upload 
a PDF of music to the musescore web-site and an on-line converter 
tries to convert the PDF to a functional MuseScore file.  Once 
converted you can download the converted file to your local hard-drive 
and open it in MuseScore.  My simple trial returned excellent results! 



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[Finale] MuseScore 3 is available now -- free (as it always is!)

[David H. Bailey]

I am cross-posting this to two Finale groups and the Sibelius group, so 
I apologize to those who may get this message 2 or 3 times.


MuseScore 3 has just been released and as always with whole number 
upgrades, there is much improvement over the previous versions.


It's a totally free download, and for many people (students and 
composers/arrangers who don't need the fully professional capabilities 
of Finale or Sibelius or Dorico) it is an excellent tool to get musical 
thoughts clearly printed.




It imports and exports MusicXML files (both uncompressed .mxl and 
compressed .xml files) and there's even an experimental "Import PDF" 
function whereby you upload a PDF of music to the musescore web-site and 
an on-line converter tries to convert the PDF to a functional MuseScore 
file.  Once converted you can download the converted file to your local 
hard-drive and open it in MuseScore.  My simple trial returned excellent 
results!


MuseScore continues to astound me with the incredible leaps it takes 
with each whole-number upgrade, and I urge you all to check it out, even 
if only so that you can recommend it to others who may want a powerful 
notation program but who can't afford Finale/Sibelius/Dorico.


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