Re: [Finale] music softwares and 'politics'
Hi David, I wrote: 'I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them'. The music software market (admittedly, 'a very tiny niche of a niche market') is only a small, and perhaps negligeable, part of a very general trend; but perhaps what happens in this tiny-tiny niche could be symptomatic. Just now, people is influenced in their decisions (but also ideas and opinion) by datas sent0 from (other) computers (but people often forgot that behind that computer there is always a man, and often is a company); and the demand for 'ready made solutions' is increasing everywhere, I think. When I approached this - very general - trend to 'something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago', it was by 'similarity' of course, not by 'identity'. Btw: I don't know really if all of the music softwares you quote 'forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible'; Finale surely does, Sibelius perhaps (I've never used it to its full potential), others that you have mentioned... I do not think. A revelatory sign is the possibility of using different fonts - not only the one(s) supplied by the producer of the software - with ease, and even in the very same score (or project). all best, Paolo Il 28/01/2019 21:37, David H. Bailey ha scritto: Hi Paolo, You make good points. In an ideal world, the software would create beautiful engraved scores and parts with very little effort, but for those who want more control it would also allow them to do what they want. After all, the whole purpose of computers in the first place was to do quickly and easily what would take a human many more hours to do and not so easily. Imagine getting to the end of a 30-part score, all written beautifully by hand, only to find that 30 notes needed to be changed in every part, necessitating the complete rewriting of many pages of the score. Computers were designed to remove that sort of labor. Using notation software, which in actuality is a very tiny niche of a niche market and nowhere near to affecting the entire population is quite different from the political manifestations you mention when a country's leader tries to think for the entire population. One of the great things about good notation software such as Finale, Sibelius, Dorico, increasingly MuseScore, Notion, Forte, is the amount of control that each software allows the user to exercise. None of the programs forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible. The more expensive programs Finale, Sibelius and Dorico allow more control over more items so the users indeed have the ability to think and sweat all they want over all the little details that only a music engraver would care about but which would not be noticed by most performing musicians. And the best thing in my opinion about the notation software marketplace is that nobody is forced to use any particular software unless they have a demanding client who insists on one over the others. So the "political" comparison doesn't Really hold up, again in my opinion. Thanks for raising the issue, David H. Bailey On 1/28/2019 9:49 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: Hi, A 'political' (maybe) consideration about music softwares other than /Finale /- that allow me not to mention them explicitly. I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them. That's an interesting phenomenon, not at all restricted to 'music softwares'; it's simpler, easier, quicker etc.; you have not even to think with your head. Maybe it come close to something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago (I mean, a single person that think, do, etc. for a whole nation). I continue to prefer that the software do what I want, even if I had to find myself alone. Paolo A. Rismondo --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] music softwares and 'politics'
Hi, I wrote: 'I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (_or maybe, other _p_eople_) to do things ready for them'. It is true, music software market 'is a very tiny niche of a niche market and nowhere near to affecting the entire population'. When I compared this broad trend to 'something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago' it was by 'similitude', obviously, not by 'identity'. But, just now people is affected, in their decisions or even ideas and opinions, by computers (they rarely remember that behind every computers there is always a man, and often a company); and the request for 'ready made' solutions is increasing in every field, it seems to me. Btw: It don't seems to me that all of the softwares you quoted don't 'forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible'. 'Finale' surely does, maybe 'Sibelius' (I never used it to its full potential); others you mentioned... I don't think so. A revelatory sign is the possibilty of using different music fonts - not only the one(s) supplied by the producer of the software - in the same score, or project. all best, Paolo Il 28/01/2019 21:37, David H. Bailey ha scritto: Hi Paolo, You make good points. In an ideal world, the software would create beautiful engraved scores and parts with very little effort, but for those who want more control it would also allow them to do what they want. After all, the whole purpose of computers in the first place was to do quickly and easily what would take a human many more hours to do and not so easily. Imagine getting to the end of a 30-part score, all written beautifully by hand, only to find that 30 notes needed to be changed in every part, necessitating the complete rewriting of many pages of the score. Computers were designed to remove that sort of labor. Using notation software, which in actuality is a very tiny niche of a niche market and nowhere near to affecting the entire population is quite different from the political manifestations you mention when a country's leader tries to think for the entire population. One of the great things about good notation software such as Finale, Sibelius, Dorico, increasingly MuseScore, Notion, Forte, is the amount of control that each software allows the user to exercise. None of the programs forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible. The more expensive programs Finale, Sibelius and Dorico allow more control over more items so the users indeed have the ability to think and sweat all they want over all the little details that only a music engraver would care about but which would not be noticed by most performing musicians. And the best thing in my opinion about the notation software marketplace is that nobody is forced to use any particular software unless they have a demanding client who insists on one over the others. So the "political" comparison doesn't Really hold up, again in my opinion. Thanks for raising the issue, David H. Bailey On 1/28/2019 9:49 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: Hi, A 'political' (maybe) consideration about music softwares other than /Finale /- that allow me not to mention them explicitly. I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them. That's an interesting phenomenon, not at all restricted to 'music softwares'; it's simpler, easier, quicker etc.; you have not even to think with your head. Maybe it come close to something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago (I mean, a single person that think, do, etc. for a whole nation). I continue to prefer that the software do what I want, even if I had to find myself alone. Paolo A. Rismondo --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] music softwares and 'politics'
Hi Paolo, You make good points. In an ideal world, the software would create beautiful engraved scores and parts with very little effort, but for those who want more control it would also allow them to do what they want. After all, the whole purpose of computers in the first place was to do quickly and easily what would take a human many more hours to do and not so easily. Imagine getting to the end of a 30-part score, all written beautifully by hand, only to find that 30 notes needed to be changed in every part, necessitating the complete rewriting of many pages of the score. Computers were designed to remove that sort of labor. Using notation software, which in actuality is a very tiny niche of a niche market and nowhere near to affecting the entire population is quite different from the political manifestations you mention when a country's leader tries to think for the entire population. One of the great things about good notation software such as Finale, Sibelius, Dorico, increasingly MuseScore, Notion, Forte, is the amount of control that each software allows the user to exercise. None of the programs forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible. The more expensive programs Finale, Sibelius and Dorico allow more control over more items so the users indeed have the ability to think and sweat all they want over all the little details that only a music engraver would care about but which would not be noticed by most performing musicians. And the best thing in my opinion about the notation software marketplace is that nobody is forced to use any particular software unless they have a demanding client who insists on one over the others. So the "political" comparison doesn't Really hold up, again in my opinion. Thanks for raising the issue, David H. Bailey On 1/28/2019 9:49 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: Hi, A 'political' (maybe) consideration about music softwares other than /Finale /- that allow me not to mention them explicitly. I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them. That's an interesting phenomenon, not at all restricted to 'music softwares'; it's simpler, easier, quicker etc.; you have not even to think with your head. Maybe it come close to something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago (I mean, a single person that think, do, etc. for a whole nation). I continue to prefer that the software do what I want, even if I had to find myself alone. Paolo A. Rismondo --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] music softwares and 'politics'
Hi, A 'political' (maybe) consideration about music softwares other than /Finale /- that allow me not to mention them explicitly. I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them. That's an interesting phenomenon, not at all restricted to 'music softwares'; it's simpler, easier, quicker etc.; you have not even to think with your head. Maybe it come close to something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago (I mean, a single person that think, do, etc. for a whole nation). I continue to prefer that the software do what I want, even if I had to find myself alone. Paolo A. Rismondo --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
