Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[Peter Taylor]

I'm not up with recent versions, but in Fin 2005 and 2007 there is indeed an 
option in the endings dialog of "Go to measure #".  Do you not have it?  But 
anyway, it's very easy to create it if MakeMusic don't include it in the 
modern default files.

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: "David H. Bailey" <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
To: <finale@shsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending


>
> Thank you, Lawrence and Gerald.  I had fun trying to figure out how to
> solve the problem.
>
> But even though my workaround is easy enough to accomplish, it certainly
> begs the question of why MakeMusic haven't built into the endings
> dialogs the option "Ignore this ending - jump to measure #[target 
> measure]."
>
> I hope the MakeMusic people who monitor this list take this under
> advisement.
>
> The problem of using the "ignore repeats" in the Playback is that
> sometimes, as in this situation of Robert's, perhaps there is one first
> ending that should be ignored on playback but others that need to be 
> taken.
>
> My solution solves that problem but it's a bother and should be an
> option in the repeat dialog.
>
> Thanks,
> David H. Bailey
>
>
>
> > On 1/12/2016 6:49 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote:
>> Excellent - thank you!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Lawrence
>>
>> On 12 January 2016 at 23:35, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Brilliant David! GJB
>>>
>>>
>>>From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
>>>   To: finale@shsu.edu
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:05 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>>>> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional
>>> 1st
>>>> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
>>>> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at
>>> me.
>>>
>>> I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too 
>>> onerous:
>>> 1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
>>> the font to be hidden.
>>> 2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
>>> target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.
>>>
>>> This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
>>> shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David H. Bailey
>>> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>>> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[David H. Bailey]

In the current versions of Finale, that "Go To Measure#" is only
effective once the first ending is played -- it does not prevent the
first ending from being played as Robert asked for help with in the
original message.

As I recall that has always worked that way -- it's for defining which
measure the repeat should go back to or jump forward to, but only after
the first ending has been played.

David H. Bailey

On 1/13/2016 8:13 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
> I'm not up with recent versions, but in Fin 2005 and 2007 there is indeed an
> option in the endings dialog of "Go to measure #".  Do you not have it?  But
> anyway, it's very easy to create it if MakeMusic don't include it in the
> modern default files.
>
> Peter
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David H. Bailey" <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
> To: <finale@shsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
>
>
>>
>> Thank you, Lawrence and Gerald.  I had fun trying to figure out how to
>> solve the problem.
>>
>> But even though my workaround is easy enough to accomplish, it certainly
>> begs the question of why MakeMusic haven't built into the endings
>> dialogs the option "Ignore this ending - jump to measure #[target
>> measure]."
>>
>> I hope the MakeMusic people who monitor this list take this under
>> advisement.
>>
>> The problem of using the "ignore repeats" in the Playback is that
>> sometimes, as in this situation of Robert's, perhaps there is one first
>> ending that should be ignored on playback but others that need to be
>> taken.
>>
>> My solution solves that problem but it's a bother and should be an
>> option in the repeat dialog.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David H. Bailey
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 1/12/2016 6:49 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote:
>>> Excellent - thank you!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Lawrence
>>>
>>> On 12 January 2016 at 23:35, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brilliant David! GJB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
>>>>To: finale@shsu.edu
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:05 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>>>>> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional
>>>> 1st
>>>>> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
>>>>> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too
>>>> onerous:
>>>> 1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
>>>> the font to be hidden.
>>>> 2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
>>>> target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.
>>>>
>>>> This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
>>>> shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David H. Bailey
>>>> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>>>> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[Robert Patterson]

David,

At your quite helpful suggestion, I went back and looked at the text
repeats. Go Measure # works for me, so long as it is in the bar preceding
the first ending.

R


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:58 AM, David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
> In the current versions of Finale, that "Go To Measure#" is only
> effective once the first ending is played -- it does not prevent the
> first ending from being played as Robert asked for help with in the
> original message.
>
> As I recall that has always worked that way -- it's for defining which
> measure the repeat should go back to or jump forward to, but only after
> the first ending has been played.
>
> David H. Bailey
>
> On 1/13/2016 8:13 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
> > I'm not up with recent versions, but in Fin 2005 and 2007 there is
> indeed an
> > option in the endings dialog of "Go to measure #".  Do you not have it?
> But
> > anyway, it's very easy to create it if MakeMusic don't include it in the
> > modern default files.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David H. Bailey" <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
> > To: <finale@shsu.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Thank you, Lawrence and Gerald.  I had fun trying to figure out how to
> >> solve the problem.
> >>
> >> But even though my workaround is easy enough to accomplish, it certainly
> >> begs the question of why MakeMusic haven't built into the endings
> >> dialogs the option "Ignore this ending - jump to measure #[target
> >> measure]."
> >>
> >> I hope the MakeMusic people who monitor this list take this under
> >> advisement.
> >>
> >> The problem of using the "ignore repeats" in the Playback is that
> >> sometimes, as in this situation of Robert's, perhaps there is one first
> >> ending that should be ignored on playback but others that need to be
> >> taken.
> >>
> >> My solution solves that problem but it's a bother and should be an
> >> option in the repeat dialog.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> David H. Bailey
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 1/12/2016 6:49 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote:
> >>> Excellent - thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Lawrence
> >>>
> >>> On 12 January 2016 at 23:35, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Brilliant David! GJB
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
> >>>>To: finale@shsu.edu
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:05 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> >>>>> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an
> optional
> >>>> 1st
> >>>>> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
> >>>>> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out
> at
> >>>> me.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too
> >>>> onerous:
> >>>> 1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
> >>>> the font to be hidden.
> >>>> 2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
> >>>> target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.
> >>>>
> >>>> This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
> >>>> shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> David H. Bailey
> >>>> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
> >>>> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[David H. Bailey]

On 1/13/2016 11:09 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> David,
>
> At your quite helpful suggestion, I went back and looked at the text
> repeats. Go Measure # works for me, so long as it is in the bar
> preceding the first ending.
>

Ahh -- that's the one Peter was talking about.  I was referring to the
"Go To Measure #" which is part of the dialog when assigning a repeat or
an ending to a measure.

I had missed that one, too.  Silly us.  ;-)


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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[Lawrence Yates]

I've been mucking about with this and the only solution I've come up with
so far is a separate playback file.  Still trying.

Cheers,

Lawrence

On 12 January 2016 at 18:05, Robert Patterson 
wrote:

> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional 1st
> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at me.
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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[David H. Bailey]

On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional 1st
> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at me.

I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too onerous:
1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
the font to be hidden.
2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.

This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.


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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[Lawrence Yates]

Excellent - thank you!

Cheers,

Lawrence

On 12 January 2016 at 23:35, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:

> Brilliant David! GJB
>
>
>   From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
>  To: finale@shsu.edu
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:05 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
>
>
> On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> > Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional
> 1st
> > ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
> > Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at
> me.
>
> I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too onerous:
> 1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
> the font to be hidden.
> 2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
> target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.
>
> This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
> shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.
>
>
> --
> David H. Bailey
> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[David H. Bailey]

Thank you, Lawrence and Gerald.  I had fun trying to figure out how to
solve the problem.

But even though my workaround is easy enough to accomplish, it certainly
begs the question of why MakeMusic haven't built into the endings
dialogs the option "Ignore this ending - jump to measure #[target measure]."

I hope the MakeMusic people who monitor this list take this under
advisement.

The problem of using the "ignore repeats" in the Playback is that
sometimes, as in this situation of Robert's, perhaps there is one first
ending that should be ignored on playback but others that need to be taken.

My solution solves that problem but it's a bother and should be an
option in the repeat dialog.

Thanks,
David H. Bailey




On 1/12/2016 6:49 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote:
> Excellent - thank you!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lawrence
>
> On 12 January 2016 at 23:35, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Brilliant David! GJB
>>
>>
>>From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
>>   To: finale@shsu.edu
>>   Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:05 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>>> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional
>> 1st
>>> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
>>> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at
>> me.
>>
>> I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too onerous:
>> 1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
>> the font to be hidden.
>> 2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
>> target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.
>>
>> This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
>> shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.
>>
>>
>> --
>> David H. Bailey
>> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>>
>>
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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[GERALD BERG]

Brilliant David! GJB
 

  From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
   

On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional 1st
> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at me.

I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too onerous:
1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
the font to be hidden.
2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.

This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.


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