Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Chris Bell]

I never use a midi keyboard (if I was it would be for, lets say a piano part in 
a concerto), I use only an extended keyboard on my laptop.
Best
/ Chris
 
On May 9, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:

> Hi Chris thanks would you mind sending the library 
> Do you enter on your midi keyboard ?
> Best
> Martin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 May 2017, at 19:03, Chris Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> I write a lot of Big-Band charts, I've created my own library, its well 
>> worth the effort.
>> 
>> / Chris 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
>>> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
>>> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 
>>> 13 sharp 11s etc
>>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Martin Nickless]

Hi Chris thanks would you mind sending the library 
Do you enter on your midi keyboard ?
Best
Martin

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 May 2017, at 19:03, Chris Bell  wrote:
> 
> I write a lot of Big-Band charts, I've created my own library, its well worth 
> the effort.
> 
> / Chris 
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
>> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
>> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
>> sharp 11s etc
>> Thanks
> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Chris Bell]

I write a lot of Big-Band charts, I've created my own library, its well worth 
the effort.

/ Chris 


On May 7, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:

> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
> sharp 11s etc
> Thanks



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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[martin nickless]

Hi chuck I think I need to look at this in the book on line
Not sure about the filters also
Best
Martin

On Sun, 7 May 2017 at 21:23, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> I use Keyboard Maestro to set up macros and shortcuts. They take time to
> assemble (not too daunting) but save menu diving time. You do know there
> are filters in the Selection Tool that allow choices of what it will do - ?
> All my shortcuts do is eliminate mousing around to get to them.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> > On May 7, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Martin Nickless 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks chuck
> > Maybe I could ask how your keyboard short cuts work
> > Thanks
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 7 May 2017, at 20:46, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> >>
> >> No experience with Sibelius, but I find my method (much the same as
> Christopher’s) pretty damn quick. It takes me far longer to think of what I
> want than to enter it in Finale, but maybe I’m a slow thinker.
> >>
> >> I also have keyboard shortcuts to toggle between coping everything and
> copying only chords, and that is invaluable.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 7, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Martin Nickless 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Shame finale can't be like Sibelius when it comes to entering changes
> quickly
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On 7 May 2017, at 20:34, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>  I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work
> properly. I would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every
> time for it to work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those
> extensions. Plus, there are always chords that I don’t use very often and
> would have to stop and figure out a never-before-played voicing for them. I
> only have five fingers! Your method works okay up to 7th chords.
> 
>  I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked
> extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes
> and their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103
> and get the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a suffix
> number, I type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, where I
> choose my suffix. The suffix number is right there in the niche.
> 
>  Christopher
> 
> 
> > On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band
> charts
> > Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> > May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g.
> flat 13 sharp 11s etc
> > Thanks
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Chuck Israels]

I use Keyboard Maestro to set up macros and shortcuts. They take time to 
assemble (not too daunting) but save menu diving time. You do know there are 
filters in the Selection Tool that allow choices of what it will do - ? All my 
shortcuts do is eliminate mousing around to get to them.

Chuck


> On May 7, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Thanks chuck 
> Maybe I could ask how your keyboard short cuts work
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 May 2017, at 20:46, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> No experience with Sibelius, but I find my method (much the same as 
>> Christopher’s) pretty damn quick. It takes me far longer to think of what I 
>> want than to enter it in Finale, but maybe I’m a slow thinker.
>> 
>> I also have keyboard shortcuts to toggle between coping everything and 
>> copying only chords, and that is invaluable.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> Shame finale can't be like Sibelius when it comes to entering changes 
>>> quickly
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 7 May 2017, at 20:34, Christopher Smith 
  wrote:
 
 I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work properly. 
 I would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every time for it 
 to work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those extensions. 
 Plus, there are always chords that I don’t use very often and would have 
 to stop and figure out a never-before-played voicing for them. I only have 
 five fingers! Your method works okay up to 7th chords.
 
 I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked 
 extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes 
 and their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103 
 and get the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a 
 suffix number, I type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, 
 where I choose my suffix. The suffix number is right there in the niche.
 
 Christopher
 
 
> On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band 
> charts 
> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 
> 13 sharp 11s etc
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Martin Nickless]

Thanks chuck 
Maybe I could ask how your keyboard short cuts work
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 May 2017, at 20:46, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> No experience with Sibelius, but I find my method (much the same as 
> Christopher’s) pretty damn quick. It takes me far longer to think of what I 
> want than to enter it in Finale, but maybe I’m a slow thinker.
> 
> I also have keyboard shortcuts to toggle between coping everything and 
> copying only chords, and that is invaluable.
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> Shame finale can't be like Sibelius when it comes to entering changes quickly
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 7 May 2017, at 20:34, Christopher Smith  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work properly. I 
>>> would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every time for it to 
>>> work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those extensions. Plus, 
>>> there are always chords that I don’t use very often and would have to stop 
>>> and figure out a never-before-played voicing for them. I only have five 
>>> fingers! Your method works okay up to 7th chords.
>>> 
>>> I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked 
>>> extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes 
>>> and their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103 
>>> and get the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a suffix 
>>> number, I type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, where I 
>>> choose my suffix. The suffix number is right there in the niche.
>>> 
>>> Christopher
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
 
 Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band 
 charts 
 Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
 May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 
 13 sharp 11s etc
 Thanks
 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Martin Nickless]

Thanks for that any chance you could send your library 
Martin

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 May 2017, at 20:35, Skjalg Bjørstad  wrote:
> 
> I use complex chords a lot andI have made my own suffix libraries.  MIDI 
> input of chords with 5 or more notes is far too unreliable, so I use the 
> Mac's keyboard to type chords with my suffix libraries' shortcuts.  Much 
> faster and more accurate.
> 
> Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.
> 
>> Den 7. mai 2017 kl. 21.27 skrev Martin Nickless :
>> 
>> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
>> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
>> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
>> sharp 11s etc
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[craig]

I agree with the idea of simplification, but jazz pianists tend to prefer 
certain spellings even if they may appear more complex.  E.g. #11 is almost 
always used instead of #4 these days. That is just how pianists think of that 
extension.
Likewise C13 is very meaningful and almost always used in modern jazz instead 
of C6 or C69, which was common in the swing era. Many pianists will play the C 
13 as Bb, E, A, which gives a very desirable maj7 internal tension.
So "simplification" is hard to pinpoint.



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Martin,I type in chord changes from a custom library of suffixes.  I have 
complex ones when they are needed, but I have learned to use more basic symbols 
where possible. Flat 13 is, more often than not, really #5 . If #11 is in the 
melody, it’s often superfluous to spell it in the chord. And if it’s not, it’s 
more often a choice than a necessity. I use these extensions only when I need 
them and hardly ever in bass parts. Hope this helps,Chuck> On May 7, 2017, at 
12:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:> > Hi there was wondering if anybody that 
predominately writes big-band charts > Do they enter the changes by playing the 
cord on a midi keyboard ?> May I ask if they have built up a library of the 
complex chords e.g. flat 13 sharp 11s etc> Thanks> > Sent from my iPhone> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Chuck Israels]

No experience with Sibelius, but I find my method (much the same as 
Christopher’s) pretty damn quick. It takes me far longer to think of what I 
want than to enter it in Finale, but maybe I’m a slow thinker.

I also have keyboard shortcuts to toggle between coping everything and copying 
only chords, and that is invaluable.


> On May 7, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Thanks 
> Shame finale can't be like Sibelius when it comes to entering changes quickly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 May 2017, at 20:34, Christopher Smith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work properly. I 
>> would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every time for it to 
>> work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those extensions. Plus, 
>> there are always chords that I don’t use very often and would have to stop 
>> and figure out a never-before-played voicing for them. I only have five 
>> fingers! Your method works okay up to 7th chords.
>> 
>> I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked 
>> extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes and 
>> their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103 and get 
>> the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a suffix number, 
>> I type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, where I choose my 
>> suffix. The suffix number is right there in the niche.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
>>> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
>>> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 
>>> 13 sharp 11s etc
>>> Thanks
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

If you use shortcuts, you can enter/edit chords very fast.  In my suffix 
library, just type [C:8] to get [Cmin11(b5)] etc

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> Den 7. mai 2017 kl. 21.41 skrev Martin Nickless :
> 
> Thanks 
> Shame finale can't be like Sibelius when it comes to entering changes quickly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 May 2017, at 20:34, Christopher Smith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work properly. I 
>> would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every time for it to 
>> work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those extensions. Plus, 
>> there are always chords that I don’t use very often and would have to stop 
>> and figure out a never-before-played voicing for them. I only have five 
>> fingers! Your method works okay up to 7th chords.
>> 
>> I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked 
>> extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes and 
>> their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103 and get 
>> the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a suffix number, 
>> I type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, where I choose my 
>> suffix. The suffix number is right there in the niche.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
>>> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
>>> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 
>>> 13 sharp 11s etc
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Martin Nickless]

Thanks 
Shame finale can't be like Sibelius when it comes to entering changes quickly

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 May 2017, at 20:34, Christopher Smith  
> wrote:
> 
> I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work properly. I 
> would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every time for it to 
> work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those extensions. Plus, 
> there are always chords that I don’t use very often and would have to stop 
> and figure out a never-before-played voicing for them. I only have five 
> fingers! Your method works okay up to 7th chords.
> 
> I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked 
> extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes and 
> their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103 and get 
> the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a suffix number, I 
> type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, where I choose my 
> suffix. The suffix number is right there in the niche.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
>> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
>> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
>> sharp 11s etc
>> Thanks
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

I use complex chords a lot andI have made my own suffix libraries.  MIDI input 
of chords with 5 or more notes is far too unreliable, so I use the Mac's 
keyboard to type chords with my suffix libraries' shortcuts.  Much faster and 
more accurate.

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> Den 7. mai 2017 kl. 21.27 skrev Martin Nickless :
> 
> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
> sharp 11s etc
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Chuck Israels]

Martin,

I type in chord changes from a custom library of suffixes.  I have complex ones 
when they are needed, but I have learned to use more basic symbols where 
possible. Flat 13 is, more often than not, really #5 . If #11 is in the melody, 
it’s often superfluous to spell it in the chord. And if it’s not, it’s more 
often a choice than a necessity. I use these extensions only when I need them 
and hardly ever in bass parts. 

Hope this helps,

Chuck


> On May 7, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
> sharp 11s etc
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Christopher Smith]

I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work properly. I 
would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every time for it to 
work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those extensions. Plus, there 
are always chords that I don’t use very often and would have to stop and figure 
out a never-before-played voicing for them. I only have five fingers! Your 
method works okay up to 7th chords.

I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked 
extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes and 
their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103 and get 
the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a suffix number, I 
type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, where I choose my suffix. 
The suffix number is right there in the niche.

Christopher


> On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
> sharp 11s etc
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[dershem]

On 5/7/2017 12:27 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts
> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
> sharp 11s etc
> Thanks
I have an extensive library, but I type faster and more accurately than 
I play piano.  :)

cd

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