Re: [Fink-users] Xcode 8 and command line tools on Mac OS X 10.11.6

2016-10-20 Thread Alexander Hansen 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 09:14, John Wiggins  wrote:
> 
> I believe Alexander Hansen explained this issue, which I open a week or two 
> ago.  Apple claims that the old Command Line Tools may be used with Xcode 8, 
> and the warning is generated by fink being conservative to avoid issues that 
> were seen in the past when agreement between Xcode and CLTs was necessary.
> 
> 
> His response was to both this list and fink-beginners see 14oct 11:34 AM EDT 
> message with subject
> 
> Re: [Fink-users] Apple claims fink giving false warning (Bug ID 28356077 - 
> Xcode 8 installs on El Capitan.)
> 
>> (crossposting since this is now all over the place)
>> 
>> They may be right.  Here’s the deal:
>> 
>> 1)  Historically, people had problems with some builds when the Xcode app 
>> and the CLI were incompatible. 
>> 2)  We therefore had fink check the versions and display a warning which 
>> paused the build for 10 seconds to let people know to sync their versions 
>> before filing a bug report with us.
>> 3)  Apple decided that Xcode 8 and CLI tools 7.3.1 is an OK combination for 
>> 10.11.
>> 4)  We modified fink not to pause the build and to change the wording of the 
>> message slightly to indicate that unmatched Xcode and command-line tools is 
>> a _potential_ problem, since it has been, in general.  
>> 5)  However, we didn’t add anything to suppress this message for the 
>> aforementioned special case, because handling special cases adds complexity 
>> to the fink code, and because it’s not usually required to scroll back 
>> through the build logs unless the build fails.  
>> 
>> People who don’t want to see the warning are free to modify 
>> /sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Engine.pm for themselves.
>> -- 
>> Alexander Hansen, Ph.D.
>> Fink User Liaison
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Doug Wade > > wrote:
>> 
>> One of the iMacs that I use Fink on is an iMac (Early 2009) which can only 
>> upgrade to OS X 10.11.6 and no further.
>> Xcode 8 supports OS X 10.11.6 but there appears to be no Command Line Tools 
>> since the May 3, 2016 that works on this
>> iMac. All Command Line Tools since then require Mac OS 10.12. When I use 
>> Fink I get a warning message but so far have had
>> no issues: 
>> 
>> WARNING: Xcode.app version (8.0) and Xcode Command Line Tools version (7.3)
>> may not be compatible.
>> You may experience build errors.
>> 
>> 
>> 

Yup.  Just ignore it until you get to a package which doesn’t build, and then 
let us know.

We didn’t want to disable the warning altogether, since there’s no guarantee 
that the next Xcode major version (8.1) will be 100% compatible with the Xcode 
8 tools and vice versa.  (That’s why we show the minor versions).  

We also didn’t want to set up a special case for 10.11/Xcode8 because those are 
annoying to deal with, and it’s only a warning.  We downgraded the language to 
“_may_ not be compatible” because that covers the special case of 10.11/Xcode 
8/Xcode CLI 7.3 as well as other mismatches.

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Re: [Fink-users] Xcode 8 and command line tools on Mac OS X 10.11.6

2016-10-20 Thread John Wiggins 
I believe Alexander Hansen explained this issue, which I open a week or two 
ago.  Apple claims that the old Command Line Tools may be used with Xcode 8, 
and the warning is generated by fink being conservative to avoid issues that 
were seen in the past when agreement between Xcode and CLTs was necessary.


His response was to both this list and fink-beginners see 14oct 11:34 AM EDT 
message with subject

Re: [Fink-users] Apple claims fink giving false warning (Bug ID 28356077 - 
Xcode 8 installs on El Capitan.)

> (crossposting since this is now all over the place)
> 
> They may be right.  Here’s the deal:
> 
> 1)  Historically, people had problems with some builds when the Xcode app and 
> the CLI were incompatible. 
> 2)  We therefore had fink check the versions and display a warning which 
> paused the build for 10 seconds to let people know to sync their versions 
> before filing a bug report with us.
> 3)  Apple decided that Xcode 8 and CLI tools 7.3.1 is an OK combination for 
> 10.11.
> 4)  We modified fink not to pause the build and to change the wording of the 
> message slightly to indicate that unmatched Xcode and command-line tools is a 
> _potential_ problem, since it has been, in general.  
> 5)  However, we didn’t add anything to suppress this message for the 
> aforementioned special case, because handling special cases adds complexity 
> to the fink code, and because it’s not usually required to scroll back 
> through the build logs unless the build fails.  
> 
> People who don’t want to see the warning are free to modify 
> /sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Engine.pm for themselves.
> -- 
> Alexander Hansen, Ph.D.
> Fink User Liaison


> On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Doug Wade  wrote:
> 
> One of the iMacs that I use Fink on is an iMac (Early 2009) which can only 
> upgrade to OS X 10.11.6 and no further.
> Xcode 8 supports OS X 10.11.6 but there appears to be no Command Line Tools 
> since the May 3, 2016 that works on this
> iMac. All Command Line Tools since then require Mac OS 10.12. When I use Fink 
> I get a warning message but so far have had
> no issues: 
> 
> WARNING: Xcode.app version (8.0) and Xcode Command Line Tools version (7.3)
> may not be compatible.
> You may experience build errors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Fink-users] Xcode 8 and command line tools on Mac OS X 10.11.6

2016-10-19 Thread Doug Wade 
One of the iMacs that I use Fink on is an iMac (Early 2009) which can only 
upgrade to OS X 10.11.6 and no further.
Xcode 8 supports OS X 10.11.6 but there appears to be no Command Line Tools 
since the May 3, 2016 that works on this
iMac. All Command Line Tools since then require Mac OS 10.12. When I use Fink I 
get a warning message but so far have had
no issues: 

WARNING: Xcode.app version (8.0) and Xcode Command Line Tools version (7.3)
may not be compatible.
You may experience build errors.





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Re: [Fink-users] Xcode 8

2016-06-18 Thread Jack Howarth 
The Xcode 8 beta builds current fink quite well (except for the few
packages requiring minor adjustments for which updates are being uploaded
to fink tracker). The main caveat is that the new otool (which now symlinks
to llvm-otool instead of otool-classic) crashes when passed an incorrect
file type rather than emitting a warning. This causes fink to become
confused about handling flat_namespace. The simple fix is to just reset the
symlink in
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin
so that otool points at otool-classic rather than llvm-otool.
   Jack
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Re: [Fink-users] Xcode 8

2016-06-15 Thread Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal 
Thanks.  I have never been good at theory!

-Roy

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Alexander Hansen  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 15:36, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have access to Xcode 8 but am wondering if I get that if I will fry my 
>> Fink libraries.  Xcode 8 would be more of a toy right now,  I need my Fink 
>> libraries.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -Roy
>> 
>> 
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>> Government or NOAA."
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>> NOAA/NMFS
>> Environmental Research Division
>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>> ***Note new address and phone***
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>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>> e-mail: roy.mendelss...@noaa.gov www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>> 
>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected" 
>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" -MLK Jr.
>> 
> 
> Theoretically that shouldn’t break anything that you already have installed 
> (hopefully I’m not wrong in that).  The main thing to worry about would be 
> failures when building new (to you) and updated packages—which again should 
> leave your existing packages installed and usable.
> 
> Theoretically.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alexander Hansen, Ph.D.
> Fink User Liaison
> 

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Re: [Fink-users] Xcode 8

2016-06-15 Thread Alexander Hansen 

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 15:36, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have access to Xcode 8 but am wondering if I get that if I will fry my Fink 
> libraries.  Xcode 8 would be more of a toy right now,  I need my Fink 
> libraries.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Roy
> 
> 
> **
> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
> Government or NOAA."
> **
> Roy Mendelssohn
> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
> NOAA/NMFS
> Environmental Research Division
> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
> ***Note new address and phone***
> 110 Shaffer Road
> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
> Phone: (831)-420-3666
> Fax: (831) 420-3980
> e-mail: roy.mendelss...@noaa.gov www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
> 
> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected" 
> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" -MLK Jr.
> 

Theoretically that shouldn’t break anything that you already have installed 
(hopefully I’m not wrong in that).  The main thing to worry about would be 
failures when building new (to you) and updated packages—which again should 
leave your existing packages installed and usable.

Theoretically.



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[Fink-users] Xcode 8

2016-06-15 Thread Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal 
I have access to Xcode 8 but am wondering if I get that if I will fry my Fink 
libraries.  Xcode 8 would be more of a toy right now,  I need my Fink libraries.

Thanks,

-Roy


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Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Phone: (831)-420-3666
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