[Fis] Chuan's reply3 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE--Zhao Chuan--- to Jerry Chandler 1
Dear Jerry LR Chandler, and All, Your mail is the first one replay to this discussion: “the Frontiers of Intelligence Science”. Thanks for your mail within 7 questions. That let this session really well run. Let me answer some of your questions: 1.The structure of the book. It is in Chinese, I only translate the title of chapter: The Frontiers of Intelligence Science ——Something is Possible Chapter 1 From Artificial Intelligence to Intelligence Science Chapter 2 International Intelligence Science Study and Cooperation Chapter 3 the Panorama of Intelligence and the Integrity of A-B Two Poles of Intelligence Chapter4The Contribute of Intelligence Science to methodology Chapter 5 Natural Language Understanding as the Frontier of Intelligence Study Chapter 6 Phase Theory Chapter 7 New Golden Age of Civilization 2.Yes, still very few people know Intelligence Science even in China, though it is put out in Oct., 2003 by CAAI. Above all it has grown more than ten years, it has formed frontiers, at least I have done theoretical study till then. Now is should seriously introduce the sponsor of this important direction. They are Prof. Zhong Yi Xin, Prof. He Hua Can, and Prof. Shi zhong zhi （Krassimir mentioned）etc. In a conference of CAAI 2003, the chair Prof. Zhong asked us from different sessions to a big meeting room to talk about the birth of Intelligence Science. He encouraged everyone to say out his/her feeling and opinion. I was delighted with such a new science and was encouraged to say that I am so earnest welcome such a new science and image its mission, I felt the new science is a holy approach, perhaps the real science is coming, as a young scholar I spoke ten minutes. Next I wrote an article title as “the Mission of Intelligence Science” next year. So thanks to the leader of CAAI leaded such an important change. We need strategist in science develop just as in war. Prof. Zhong is such a strategist. With their strong lead, we do many explorations. I think I am good soldier of SI. The growth rate is logically and with many reasons. So I said in my preface of the book: “From Artificial Intelligence (AI) to Intelligence Science (IS) is a strategic transformation, a major contribution to science.” yes, sometime contribution is actual fruit, sometime is a seed or a possibility; sometime is speed, sometime is direction, is an angular acceleration; some time is individual, sometime is collective. Prof. Zhong just in our FIS, and Pedro has special invited him stage this discussion the same. I think only he can tell us this/his history best! We should go on share the academic story together, though it is short but meaningful. It is interesting while this discussion we are in the same story now. As a compare and evidence, let me cite a mail from Prof. L. A. Zadeh to BISC Group (Berkeley Initiative in Soft Computing): Lotfi A. Zadeh 2012年11月10日 10:24:24 Dear members of the BISC Group: Ruzena Bajcsy brought to my attention a very interesting interview with Noam Chomsky focused on What went wrong with AI. It is always a treat to hear or read what Chomsky has to say. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/08/noam-chomsky-on-where-artificial-intelligence-went-wrong/261637/?single_page=true Regards to all, Lotfi With my small group we used two months to learn this interview and think the present science, especial computer science and technology, development condition that we were surer with our direction and ways. This linker still useful and I have put it in our FIS once and written in my new book this time. If you read this interview with Chomsky viewing AI, you should know that Chinese CAII has avoided such questions early and gave a right direction and action. Honorific Prof. Zadeh of 91-years old that year, using one finger to hit keyboard （he once mentioned in a mail to BISC group）, he has organized a discuss “Information Revolution”. He and some BISCers worried about such revolution. It is just the same as our coming Vienna conference 2015—The Information Society at the Crossroads. That is nice and peace, intelligence science has born and is growing. It is a long mail now, more next mail. Best wishes, Zhao Chuan March 6, 2015 -原始邮件- 发件人: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es 发送时间: 2015-03-04 19:22:54 收件人: 'fis' fis@listas.unizar.es 抄送: 主题: [Fis] [Fwd: THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE--Zhao Chuan]---Jerry Chandler Message from Jerry Chandler Original Message Subject: [Fis] THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE--Zhao Chuan Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 21:19:16 -0600 From: Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@mac.com To: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Dear Zhao Chuan: In this brief introduction, you present your readers with a number of views. Perhaps you could expand
[Fis] Chuan's reply4 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE--Zhao Chuan
Dear Prof.Zhong, Joseph, Krassimir , Jerry, Steven, Pedro and All, Thanks Prof. Zhong for you voice and thesis! Dear Joseph I am moved with the phrase in the mail you reply Krassimir: “co-exist with 'ours'”. And feel it is really Hopi Native Americans is wonderful and worthy. The “co-exist” let me think of one of my surprise as an English learner: con-science means conscience. It becomes a humane word! We even can make a riddle: “science + … + science = ？” perhaps you speak English should laugh at me, that is fun, but in fact as a student I remembered this word just by this way. Yes, and multi-disciplinary, interdisciplinary. A serious question is: why we can do interdisciplinary thing? Why it is possible? How does it runs? I thought it and try give an answer- as Prof. Zhong say, a view to this – I try put out an “equal seriousness Principle”, it is in the new book the same. What are the same? what are compared? What are measured? While we transfer, we interdisciplinary? I feel it is “seriousness”. Go on ask: what is “seriousness”? then we arrive the factor of human itself. Then we arrive intelligence science. For example why we can say “Vincent van Gogh as a painter is same great as Beethoven as a musician”? For they arrive same serious with their own fields. I have so many replies with these mails. Thanks! More soon. Best regard, Chuan March 7, 2015 ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Chuan's reply6-Chuan's reply3 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE--Zhao Chuan
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[Fis] Chuan's reply7 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE-- a poem the π-festival
Dear FISers, These days I am doing a heavy and important work that I can not finish my respond mail. Though there are many ideas emerge in my mind. Let me put a poem of Emily DIKINSON in our dear discussion. OUR SHARE OF NIGHT TO BEAR Emily DIKINSON Our share of nights to hear – Our share of morning – Our blank in bliss to fill Our blank in scorning – Here a star, and there a star, Some lose their way! Here a mist, and there a mist, Afterwards – Day! 1890 c.1859 For I thought of the image of “here is a star, and there is a star” and looked for this poem to share here. Let us shine and share. Dear Joseph, I agree with the Stanislaw Lem’s opinion. Yes, she is right: afterwards – Day! Tomorrow is π-festival – March 14 - 3.14. I celebrated aπ-festival this afternoon. That is wonderful. And it is the birthday of Einstein the same. Cheers! Chuan March 13, 2015___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Chuan's reply12 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE - more and enough dimentions
Dear Joseph, Pedro and the leaguers, Just as Pedro emphasized, the evolutionary dimension or say biography dimension of intelligence discussion, I have many want to say with this point. 1. I think of Eric R Kandel( 1929～). In his own academic story, he described: while he first went to Prof. Grundfest’s laboratory in 1955. He said he want to know where the Id, ego and superego in Freud’s theorem are in brain. Instead of laughing at him, the teacher told him the strategy of brain study as every time one cell. Finally Kandel’s research was prized by Nobel Prize, though he can not straightly answer his first will yet. 2. Brain Science has many achievements. But we have not absorbed these achievements enough. Once I am amazing and deep inspired while I learned one discover of Kandel: within the memory process there are protein formed! That is great- the bridge of matter and mind! 3. Another amazing and enjoy was while I study Joseph’s thesis he send to me: oh, it is so nice and interesting that this scholar study “forget”! Pedro mentioned: Otherwise we leave “empty”. That is good idea – I welcome it very much for “empty” is the superiority in orient. Beside the two fields are mentioned we can gain some in methodology: Memory – forget; exist – empty, add Rafael’s intelligence – stupidity, all are symmetry dimensions measures to approach Intelligence/Information, symmetry is a kind of manner, symmetry study is an engine of thought. All such effort are strutting the space of Intelligence study space till it is big enough. There are another such issues later. Best regards, Chuan March 29, 2015___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Chuan's reply11 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE - unless reaches
Dear Roulette Wm. Smith , dear Joseph, Rafael, Pedro, and ALL, After this week’s work I can have enough time to write one mail now. Dear Roulette, thanks for you mail with blessing and so many suggestions:common sense aberrant common sense; critical thinking and intelligence(s) in worldwide cultures and languages, Subjunctive, biological issues, Kantian notions of the a priori and a posteriori, Lem's perspectives, and Ethnomethodologies. Yes, the pearls, the cut surfaces of diamond! I enjoy you said “critical thinking and intelligence(s) in worldwide cultures and languages”. Parallel with “Subjunctive”your mentioned, we are study Symmetry phenomena in Chinese that abstract a common issue as Symmetry of Language. Rafael’s comment: Dr. Sukriti Ghosal: The Language of 'Gitanjali': the Paradoxical Matrix (in: The Criterion, 2012) http://www.the-criterion.com/V3/n2/Sukriti.pdf” that is fine. And let me connected it with our Symmetry of language study and gain more inspirations. Yes, worldwide culture, now it is echoes in Indian. As another example to such paradox here is a lines from Buddha: it is impossible to reach but it is impossible to escape suffering unless one reaches --- from Buddha Mihir Chakraborty for Peom-Island Morning Chant2014 I am an adviser of a poetry association of students in our university, I organized a Poem-islandMorning Chant three years ago, and yesterday I open it of 2015, spring team. This is the words of encourage from an India Prof. Mihir Chakraborty sent for such an events. We consisted 90days last spring team. Read Chinese ancient style poem, modern poems and English poems. Really has a Poem-Island in our campus. Buddha’s paradox words are so powerful and really wisdom. Yes, Symmetry phenomena in Chinese and Gitanjali’s paradox Matrix are similar parallel manners of thinking and language. This is the point I should special explain soon. Thanks for Rafael’s comment, just put together is precious, we should let some link together. Know you see: so many information/consciousness streams are interweaving – forming worldwide new culture. More later. best wishes, good weekend, Chuan March 27, 2015___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Chuan's reply13 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE - the scale of IS study
Dear Roulette Wm. Smith, Joshua, and dear Leaguers, First dear Roulette please allow me reply short to your longest so sincere mail first! Now it is the end of April Fools’ Day. I am moved and regard with the saying “big picture”. Yes, it is long travel within Intelligence fields. A Gypsy style (as Pedro’s describe)? Thanks for you so detailed share reason. There should be very rich intelligent sights in your adventure that we should learn. 1. “At the outset, I wholeheartedly support Chuan's infectious enthusiasm for intelligence sciences. I have been a member on this list since 2011 and only now am motivated to comment on a topic of mutual interest.” This encourage me and intelligence science the same. we should believe that is right. We should forming positive feedback to explore the essence of intelligence. That is a hard heave work. We should focus our intelligence worldwide as you emphasized to burden it. I should finish an article names “Big and big enough” later to go on talk about the scale of intelligence study. Let us try to weight such a kind of burden first. 2. As for “overly simplistic” you critical twice I want to say: I am delighted that you measured things with Prof. Zhong’s algorithm as “from (a) to (m)”. But in reality we should add a （zero）- what is the goal now? and to describe the goal. Yes, just as Einstein said: while you put out the question and it is solved half. In fact we are now in (zero). It is not a easy thing to put out a goal, especially our age. 3. I should talk about A-B two poles of Intelligence and their integrity. Best regards and wishes, Chuan Now the Fools’ Day it over___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Chuan's reply8 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE-- an old poem as an echo
Dear Stanley N Salthe and All, I am back to my duty from ten days hard work. Reliving from tired let me come back to the breakpoint – Stanley’s poem echo to Emily – and my draft reply as a new poem the same. I will finish and put out next mail – reply as another poem is “The Song of the Computer” and another poem on Internet. These two have send in our FIS years ago. And now “here a stay, and there a star”, now “ struggling to affect each other from our slowly burning bodies”, let us put these stars here again as a bunch of flower first. Let this as my echo. We can image a Science fiction: long long after, there is a country, there set such an law : if you have not replied an poet’s poem at once, if delay five days, you are evil. So let me use an old poem echo your poem as soon as I finished my heavy work. Thanks for you poem. That is nice! More reply and the new later. Best wishes, Chuan 2015-3-19 -原始邮件- 发件人: Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu 发送时间: 2015-03-14 03:41:00 收件人: 赵川 zh...@cdut.edu.cn 抄送: 主题: Re: [Fis] Chuan's reply7 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE-- a poem the π-festival Chuan, fis'rs Here is a poem I wrote a couple of years ago: internet fellowship is like -- being in heaven? we’re disembodied spirits struggling to affect each other. patterns of ‘on and off’ in the waves and wires like cells in an organism we’re disembodied spirits launched from our slowly burning bodies, the fuel for our cognitions, like charcoal for a flame maybe this is (what) heaven (is like) launched upon the embers of hell. STAN On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:18 AM, 赵川 zh...@cdut.edu.cn wrote: Dear FISers, These days I am doing a heavy and important work that I can not finish my respond mail. Though there are many ideas emerge in my mind. Let me put a poem of Emily DIKINSON in our dear discussion. OUR SHARE OF NIGHT TO BEAR Emily DIKINSON Our share of nights to hear – Our share of morning – Our blank in bliss to fill Our blank in scorning – Here a star, and there a star, Some lose their way! Here a mist, and there a mist, Afterwards – Day! 1890 c.1859 For I thought of the image of “here is a star, and there is a star” and looked for this poem to share here. Let us shine and share. Dear Joseph, I agree with the Stanislaw Lem’s opinion. Yes, she is right: afterwards – Day! Tomorrow is π-festival – March 14 - 3.14. I celebrated aπ-festival this afternoon. That is wonderful. And it is the birthday of Einstein the same. Cheers! Chuan March 13, 2015 ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis 12-11-26计算机之歌 duet-Translation.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Chuan's reply14 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE: for the new month, new step
Dear Joseph, Pedro, Prof. Zhong and dear All Leaguers, From the day when our FIS chair Prof. Pedro put the author preface of the new book “THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE”, and asked me chair this discussion session as the same name, a month past. It is interesting that Frontier of Intelligence Science are FIS the same! In this month we have exchanged 54 mails, add this one I am writing. I think this is a great step of FIS FIS. Our discussion is precious. We went into the heart of questions; we are talk about same inner question from different disciplinary, from different place worldwide. Here a star, and there a star, we discover each other, enjoy or criticize each other. Our share of night to bear together, and Afterwards - Day! Dance of FIS and FIS are beautiful like the dance of polar lights. We wonderers on the sea, dear Staley, now I feel Internet is not heaven or hill, it is the homeland of our mind live in. As a summary of our FIS’s FIS discussion session, I should first translate two phases from my reading of Chinese versions, then list some items we can go on discussion this month. 1. How weight the burden/goal of IS should be? Jacques Derrida (1930 – 2004) , as an philosophy and aesthetician he felt it deep and described like such a fact: “There is a kind of hard thought has not be emphasized yet, on account of ” Because of a large number of contemplation can’t be felt, we must shoulder the whole weight of the questions we put out. Such questions, I try to call them as history. With such help, we can then connect difference with language.” 2. Hans-Geory Gadamer (1900-2002) pointed:”Now China can’t exist in the world without mathematic, physics and chemistry these sciences initiate in Greece. But this bearing capacity of this root is withering today. Science should to look for nourishment from other sources, especial from far East. ” yes, dear Rafael, far east and far west, they are important for each other. They should be pabulum and support each other. Great hundred-year-old philosopher showed us the deep relation between far east and west pabulum. This is wisdom. Dear Dai the relation of intelligence and wisdom are complex, Gadamer’s view is an example of high intelligence and wisdom (Joseph: they also can be considered as a form of intelligence.). Though it is Common Sense (the concept Smith mentioned). 3. Dear leaguers in fact while we prepare this session, in February, just Chinese Spring Festival, with Pedro and Joseph, we even prepared 11 questions. I will check and sort them, and add the questions emerged in this month together and put out in our go on discussion. 4. Dear Joseph’s mails are precious and important. Yes, Structure, our sword of thought. “As tragic events repeatedly show, their origin is often not the lack of information in the simple sense, but the lack of structures (or structurations) in people capable of implementing it. These structures or capacities are also information in the complex sense, of course, but they also can be considered as a form of intelligence. I believe more attention should be paid explicitly to such structures to enable people to recognize and use them against the inevitable forces opposing that (keeping to a schedule, not 'frightening' people, etc.) Calling responsible behavior intelligent might facilitate the exercise of it.”. I even translate to Chinese to help me solidify and grasp the meanings. Yes, inevitable force opposing that should/always be very strong. And such resistance is the character of such approach to such structures. No pain no gain. As Buddha’s words mentioned: “it is impossible to escape suffering, unless one reaches.”. How wonderful the structure/fruit is and how difficult the process is. We should prepare to face to practice. Our discussion session is lucky we have such precious guide form him, Pedro, prof. Zhong and so on, the wisdom men. More later. Thanks for all FISers! Let go to the new age, and the new month of our Frontiers of Intelligence Science session. Best regard and best wishes, Chuan April 2-3, 2015___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Chuan's reply15 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE: summary2
Dear Joseph, Pedro, Prof. Zhong, and dear All FISer Leaguers, Just as in the summer of 1956, in Dartmouth College, many interdisciplinary scholars met and has a tow-months long discussion and contributed the concept/direction as Artificial Intelligence. This spring of 2015, in Internet world wide, we FIS leaguers’ minds met/worked in Internet, we focused the concept /term of Intelligence Science. And tried preliminarily to made sure Intelligence science’s mission，range, the relation of IS and IS, FIS and FIS, relation with AI and other fields. Such mails with deep thought and wide horizon are “Foundational” and ”Frontier” both. 1. In the finish of our discussion allow me put the “kickoff file” (dear Pedro’s analogy. I enjoy it.) in the attachment prepared with Pedro and Joseph before the beginning of our session. Forgive me that I have not enough strength to sort the questions this time yet. Perhaps very soon after out discussion finish I should integrate them with the new questions emerged in our session. 2. Allow me announce again here to form a “National Scientist’s Poetry group”. It is the time try to initiate it with now more academic leagues in our discussion session. Let me put the mail of July 12, 2014 that can make sure my wish: Dear scientist-poets and poet-scientists, After I wrote a mail to Joseph to report the news Prof. Mihir Chacraborty visited my university. Then I forwarded it to Denis Mire, I want to call him “where are you?”, I think of perhaps this can forward to Gerhard,Besiau,…etc. So now touch many fiends and leagues! I think of perhaps we should form an “πpoem association”. Because we are in different countries though we all in one poetical field, it should be an “InternationalπPoem Association”. Do you think this is a good idea? I wish hear your echoes. Our Intelligence Science Laboratory (I work in Chengdu University of Technology) should be 3 years. I think of to edit something to congratulate. One is a small poem collection of scientist. Science is research and research is poetical. Could you allowed and perhaps can share me more new poems? Not serious publish kind. Just collect to please to encourage and accompany ourselves. We are too heavy to enjoy poetical feeling. It is a bunch of flowers instead of a cold book. Making a good cup of tea, water is needed and should be enough. Now our science study condition is too much tea and too few water. So that the tea soup is bitter, not faint scent. Yes, Prof. Mihir invited me and another poet to join the International Poetical Conference January 2015 in Calcutta, India. If I join it, I should take our information of poem from Science to the conference. It is still an inspiration. Something is possible. Best wishes and good summer, Zhao chuan July 12, 2014 I sent it to many friends as scientist-poets and poet-scientists. That day and till now, there was only an echo from Joseph. He welcomed it and suggested then that we can have such a poetry group first. Near a year pasted, nether a ”πpoem association” nor a Scientist’ Poetry Group/society, no matter what style or name, the wish is the same. I love science and poem both, and I have seen so many excellent poems from scientists, they are so important poets and poems to our civilization. Yes, important, for normal poets as humanist can’t understand science straightly, can’t bear the press of scientist. Such scientist and their poems form new literature and new science the same. We should not ignore such precious resource of hearts, of intelligence, of their meaning they bringing as information. They are powerful and efficient. 3. Here a star, there a star, By the way let me point another stars for you and please add/invite them to our FIS liker. They are: Mihir Chacraborty mihi...@gmail.com, Denis Mire meida...@126.com, Liu Yu franceli...@gmail.com, and Beziau j...@ufc.br. I think with their join our IFS Forum should have more energy and enough dimensions. About them more details later. Then we should finish our FIS discussion session (Frontiers of Intelligence Science) in FIS (Foudation of Information Science). Dear Pedro, Let this discussion finish naturally perhaps it should last one or two weeks. Then we can begin new session, above most FISers should work to prepare for the Vienna conference. As a Chair of this “the Frontiers of Intelligence Science” discussion session I am so glory and happy. Thanks for our FIS Chair and respected Joseph, thanks for your reliance; Thanks for Prof. Zhong, we share the main direction/goal of Intelligence Science with our international leaguers together; thanks for so many FISers exchanged excited ideas in this discussion, yes, I feel our discussion as
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