Re: [Flashcoders] Adding n days to dateField.selectedDate
What about daylight savings! I just created a tv listings app in flex and this approach did not work. Recently the clocks changed and 7pm became 8pm because of the daylight savings. I can't believe that there is not any other way to add a day without doing it through milliseconds. Because I knew what time my shows started I could always use the setHours method. However I don't feel that this was or is the most scaleable solution. Cheers Michael On 14 Apr 2008, at 00:50, Matthew Houliston wrote: On 14/04/2008 01:34, Gabino Travassos wrote: If I want 283 days in the future I add 1208129349 + (283 days *24 hours*60 minutes*60second) = 1232580549 and I convert that to whatever date format I want. Gabino's right, and the Date class makes it easy : var d:Date=new Date(2008,3,14); d.time+=(8640*283); // 283 days, in milliseconds trace(d.getFullYear()+/+(d.getMonth()+1)+/+d.getDate()); // 2009/1/21 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] better logic statement
Hi
I build slideshow with 10 visible thumbnails. After each 10 pictures I
move thumbnails to show next 10.
Another words
if (id==11 || id==21 || id==31) {do something}
How to write more wise if statement?
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Use
if ( anynumber % 10 == 1 ) {do something}
Hi
I build slideshow with 10 visible thumbnails. After each 10 pictures I
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Re: [Flashcoders] better logic statement
Untested email code. But you get the gits of it, I hope
// properties
var ThumbnailSetSize = 10;
var i = 0;
var page = 0;
/// on next image
i++;
if (i == ThumbnailSetSize ){
page++;
i=0;
//Do something
}
id = (page*ThumbnailSetSize ) + i;
HTH/Christoffer
natalia Vikhtinskaya skrev:
Hi
I build slideshow with 10 visible thumbnails. After each 10 pictures I
move thumbnails to show next 10.
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How to write more wise if statement?
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[Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3]
Hi guys ive been trying to figure this out now for over a week, i want to dynamically set the registration point of a dynamically created movieclip. ive come across a class by Oscar Trelles (a re-written AS1/2 class) that does what im after but it does not seam to be very portable and can not get it to work with my app. I have also tried to use negative values by creating a blank mc and loading the image into it, this gives me an image that's in the correct place but the blank MC does not use the negative values set so i have an overall MC thats bigger that it should be! So heres my question I want to create a movieclip with the X/Y set to 0 but have the actual registration point set to X = mc.width / 2 and Y = mc.height / 2 so when i use the transform controls ive created it scales, rotates etc... from the centre. I also have a second question how do i set the initial value of a colorpicker box via actionscript? this too also seams to be really hard to find the answer! SM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] better logic statement
Thank you! What if I want to show 8 or 12 images?
2008/4/14, Kai Feldmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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if ( anynumber % 10 == 1 ) {do something}
Hi
I build slideshow with 10 visible thumbnails. After each 10 pictures I
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Only change 10 to any other number. % means mod - it calculates the rest
of the division. So if you want to show 8 images, write
if ( anynumber % 8 == 1 ) {do something}
anynumber % 8 == 1 happens when anynumber is 9, 17, ...
same to 12 or any other modular event
Thank you! What if I want to show 8 or 12 images?
2008/4/14, Kai Feldmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Use
if ( anynumber % 10 == 1 ) {do something}
Hi
I build slideshow with 10 visible thumbnails. After each 10 pictures I
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Re: [Flashcoders] better logic statement
Thank you again, it what I need.
2008/4/14, Kai Feldmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Only change 10 to any other number. % means mod - it calculates the rest
of the division. So if you want to show 8 images, write
if ( anynumber % 8 == 1 ) {do something}
anynumber % 8 == 1 happens when anynumber is 9, 17, ...
same to 12 or any other modular event
Thank you! What if I want to show 8 or 12 images?
2008/4/14, Kai Feldmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Use
if ( anynumber % 10 == 1 ) {do something}
Hi
I build slideshow with 10 visible thumbnails. After each 10 pictures I
move thumbnails to show next 10.
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Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3]
I have used that class to great effect, http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/UK-Gym-Health-Club-Locator/Fitness-First-Gym-Locator.aspx What seems to be the problem. the map mentioned above is in as3 and changes the registration point all the time depending on where the user clicks or pans to. What does your code look like? On 14 Apr 2008, at 13:05, Stuart (FunkDaWeb) wrote: Hi guys ive been trying to figure this out now for over a week, i want to dynamically set the registration point of a dynamically created movieclip. ive come across a class by Oscar Trelles (a re- written AS1/2 class) that does what im after but it does not seam to be very portable and can not get it to work with my app. I have also tried to use negative values by creating a blank mc and loading the image into it, this gives me an image that's in the correct place but the blank MC does not use the negative values set so i have an overall MC thats bigger that it should be! So heres my question I want to create a movieclip with the X/Y set to 0 but have the actual registration point set to X = mc.width / 2 and Y = mc.height / 2 so when i use the transform controls ive created it scales, rotates etc... from the centre. I also have a second question how do i set the initial value of a colorpicker box via actionscript? this too also seams to be really hard to find the answer! SM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] AS3 memory management - loaded content
Can anyone explain the logic for this feature? It seems like an unloadMovie or deleteMovie built in function would be an absolute no-brainer, and even essential. But I say this as a designer-turned-coder so I'm probably missing something that real programmers already know. And I can understand the issues with garbage collection and memory usage, but for the mc to actually keep executing all functions and basically remain in an undead state seems odd. Can someone edumacate me? .m ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3]
I have got the code working in the way they do it however i need to use it in a different way! I want to set the registration point to an already created movieclip and it seams using Oscars class you have to use his new dynamicmovie() I dont need all the functions that come with it i just want it to set a new X/Y position - Original Message - From: Michael William Ypes To: Flash Coders List Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3] I have used that class to great effect, http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/UK-Gym-Health-Club-Locator/Fitness-First-Gym-Locator.aspx What seems to be the problem. the map mentioned above is in as3 and changes the registration point all the time depending on where the user clicks or pans to. What does your code look like? On 14 Apr 2008, at 13:05, Stuart (FunkDaWeb) wrote: Hi guys ive been trying to figure this out now for over a week, i want to dynamically set the registration point of a dynamically created movieclip. ive come across a class by Oscar Trelles (a re- written AS1/2 class) that does what im after but it does not seam to be very portable and can not get it to work with my app. I have also tried to use negative values by creating a blank mc and loading the image into it, this gives me an image that's in the correct place but the blank MC does not use the negative values set so i have an overall MC thats bigger that it should be! So heres my question I want to create a movieclip with the X/Y set to 0 but have the actual registration point set to X = mc.width / 2 and Y = mc.height / 2 so when i use the transform controls ive created it scales, rotates etc... from the centre. I also have a second question how do i set the initial value of a colorpicker box via actionscript? this too also seams to be really hard to find the answer! SM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] sending email as/php
Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying: As: loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST); php: ?php $comment=$_GET['ucomment']; $name=$_GET['uname']; $email=$_GET['uemail']; mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail: .$email.\n\nComment: .$comment); ? I am not getting the variable values... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
your using POST to send the data - and then trying to retrieve with GET -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Lehr, Theodore M (N-SGIS) Sent: Mon 14/04/2008 16:29 To: Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying: As: loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST); php: ?php $comment=$_GET['ucomment']; $name=$_GET['uname']; $email=$_GET['uemail']; mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail: .$email.\n\nComment: .$comment); ? I am not getting the variable values... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3]
Can you load the dynamic movieclip into a movieclip that extends oscars class. That way you just change the coords on the container and not necessarily on the dynamic movie. Either way it should have exactly the same effect. Would that help or am I just not getting your problem? On 14 Apr 2008, at 15:47, Stuart (FunkDaWeb) wrote: I have got the code working in the way they do it however i need to use it in a different way! I want to set the registration point to an already created movieclip and it seams using Oscars class you have to use his new dynamicmovie() I dont need all the functions that come with it i just want it to set a new X/Y position - Original Message - From: Michael William Ypes To: Flash Coders List Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3] I have used that class to great effect, http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/UK-Gym-Health-Club-Locator/Fitness-First-Gym-Locator.aspx What seems to be the problem. the map mentioned above is in as3 and changes the registration point all the time depending on where the user clicks or pans to. What does your code look like? On 14 Apr 2008, at 13:05, Stuart (FunkDaWeb) wrote: Hi guys ive been trying to figure this out now for over a week, i want to dynamically set the registration point of a dynamically created movieclip. ive come across a class by Oscar Trelles (a re- written AS1/2 class) that does what im after but it does not seam to be very portable and can not get it to work with my app. I have also tried to use negative values by creating a blank mc and loading the image into it, this gives me an image that's in the correct place but the blank MC does not use the negative values set so i have an overall MC thats bigger that it should be! So heres my question I want to create a movieclip with the X/Y set to 0 but have the actual registration point set to X = mc.width / 2 and Y = mc.height / 2 so when i use the transform controls ive created it scales, rotates etc... from the centre. I also have a second question how do i set the initial value of a colorpicker box via actionscript? this too also seams to be really hard to find the answer! SM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
hi Theodore Use $_POST if you're sending POST. Use $_GET when you're pulling variables out of the url, like index.php?id=980; I'd also recommend strip_tags(). $comment=strip_tags($_POST['ucomment']); And look up sql injection. Gabino - Original Message - From: Lehr, Theodore M (N-SGIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying: As: loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST); php: ?php $comment=$_GET['ucomment']; $name=$_GET['uname']; $email=$_GET['uemail']; mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail: .$email.\n\nComment: .$comment); ? I am not getting the variable values... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] archived F9r28 and earlier F9r* Player installers not working under Windows
I'm trying to trouble shoot some problems possibly related to a specific versions of the player. So, I've downloaded the Flash Player Uninstaller and the complete set of installers for F8 and F9 (these are the files fp8_archive.zip and fp9_archive.zip). I'm currently working under Windows XP. I use the SWFObject.js from Geoff Stearns at deconcept.com to load Flash content. If I do the uninstall and then run any version of the installers for F8 (ActiveX and plugin), then IE and Firefox both run just fine. However, if I do the same thing but with F9r28 installer or earlier, then neither the ActiveX nor the plugins are detected. The tester who is having trouble is running 9r28; he can view the content for the most part, with just a few quirks, which I'm trying to fix Are there known issues with using these older installers? Thanks! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
Thanks for the response - but I am getting the same results -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabino Travassos Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:00 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php hi Theodore Use $_POST if you're sending POST. Use $_GET when you're pulling variables out of the url, like index.php?id=980; I'd also recommend strip_tags(). $comment=strip_tags($_POST['ucomment']); And look up sql injection. Gabino - Original Message - From: Lehr, Theodore M (N-SGIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying: As: loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST); php: ?php $comment=$_GET['ucomment']; $name=$_GET['uname']; $email=$_GET['uemail']; mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail: .$email.\n\nComment: .$comment); ? I am not getting the variable values... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Does anyone know if Adobe is fixing this huge FP9 problem? http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2008/04/failure_to_unlo.html Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO and Risk LLD Solutions Design Development eTools Multimedia Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community Are you a Bank of America associate interested in innovative learning ideas and technologies? Check out our internal GTO Innovative Learning Blog subscribe. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
You might also want to look up email injection too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_injection Gabino Travassos wrote: hi Theodore Use $_POST if you're sending POST. Use $_GET when you're pulling variables out of the url, like index.php?id=980; I'd also recommend strip_tags(). $comment=strip_tags($_POST['ucomment']); And look up sql injection. Gabino - Original Message - From: Lehr, Theodore M (N-SGIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying: As: loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST); php: ?php $comment=$_GET['ucomment']; $name=$_GET['uname']; $email=$_GET['uemail']; mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail: .$email.\n\nComment: .$comment); ? I am not getting the variable values... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Glen Pike 01326 218440 www.glenpike.co.uk http://www.glenpike.co.uk ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
Same results if I: $comment=$_POST['ucomment']; $name=$_POST['uname']; $email=$_POST['uemail']; -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Hotchkiss Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM To: Flash Coders List; Flash Coders List Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php your using POST to send the data - and then trying to retrieve with GET -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Lehr, Theodore M (N-SGIS) Sent: Mon 14/04/2008 16:29 To: Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying: As: loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST); php: ?php $comment=$_GET['ucomment']; $name=$_GET['uname']; $email=$_GET['uemail']; mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail: .$email.\n\nComment: .$comment); ? I am not getting the variable values... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] RE: AS3 memory management - loaded content
thanks Steve and Matt, Right. Grant wrote about this GROSS MEMORY BUG in the player months ago too! There must be others on this list with an opinion about the player being unable to control loaded content! This BUG essentially means we can't use closed source components for fear of serious memory issues during use by our clients. How can collaborative work be done if any line of code in any .swf can eventually cause the player to stall and crash or hog all the resources? Then what are we supposed to do with AIR where any tool one builds might be open for weeks at a time - often consuming data delivered using some outside companies Flash based widget.swf ?... Tell our customers it's Adobe's fault? This issue is far more complex than code on buried frames used to be in terms of application construction. And after a year we have no response from the Adobe guys... time to look into Sliverlight - i guess - nice. Dave Matthews http://www.2GoTo.com --original--- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:55:41 -0700 From: Steven Sacks Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AS3 memory management - loaded content To: Flash Coders List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Dave, http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2008/04/failure_to_unlo.html Grant Skinner recently blogged about this. Major issue. What's worse is Adobe really has no intention of fixing it. I believe Grant's blog post was an intention to put mucho pressure on Adobe by exposing how bad the issue is as well as expose how they refuse to fix it. I dunno if it's going to work but it's better than nothing. -original-- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:35:30 -0400 From: Matt S. Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AS3 memory management - loaded content To: Flash Coders List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can anyone explain the logic for this feature? It seems like an unloadMovie or deleteMovie built in function would be an absolute no-brainer, and even essential. But I say this as a designer-turned-coder so I'm probably missing something that real programmers already know. And I can understand the issues with garbage collection and memory usage, but for the mc to actually keep executing all functions and basically remain in an undead state seems odd. Can someone edumacate me? .m -end original- _ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
Hi, First try to load mail.php in the browser - if there are any errors in your code you will find out quickly... If there are no errors and it's still not working, try doing a basic HTML form to post to the page to test that part and then echo the variables back after the call to mail(): //not tested, but you should get the picture... $result = mail(...); echo comment= .$comment .amp;name= .$name .amp;email= .$email .amp;result= .((TRUE == $result) ? true : false); Then look at LiveHTTPHeaders for Firefox, or Service Capture / Charles proxy debuggers to see if Flash is sending the variables. Glen Glen Pike wrote: You might also want to look up email injection too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_injection Gabino Travassos wrote: hi Theodore Use $_POST if you're sending POST. Use $_GET when you're pulling variables out of the url, like index.php?id=980; I'd also recommend strip_tags(). $comment=strip_tags($_POST['ucomment']); And look up sql injection. Gabino - Original Message - From: Lehr, Theodore M (N-SGIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying: As: loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST); php: ?php $comment=$_GET['ucomment']; $name=$_GET['uname']; $email=$_GET['uemail']; mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail: .$email.\n\nComment: .$comment); ? I am not getting the variable values... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Glen Pike 01326 218440 www.glenpike.co.uk http://www.glenpike.co.uk ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Guess the best way to find out is to file a bug in the new FP bug system :-) https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? Does anyone know if Adobe is fixing this huge FP9 problem? http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2008/04/failure_to_unlo.html Jason Merrill Bank of America ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Re: looking for an object-explorer/trouble-shooting widget
Clarification: I'm using AS2. Andrew Sinning wrote: I've found that the F8 debugger is completely useless for any project using more than a few hundred lines are a few classes. The Flash-Tracer widget is really helpful, but I need something more. Is there a widget anywhere that a person could use to explore the properties of objects in a movie running in a browser? It'd be really cool if there were a way to issue commands from such a widget, too. Thanks! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Re: looking for an object-explorer/trouble-shooting widget
Clarification: I'm using AS2. Andrew Sinning wrote: I've found that the F8 debugger is completely useless for any project using more than a few hundred lines are a few classes. The Flash-Tracer widget is really helpful, but I need something more. Is there a widget anywhere that a person could use to explore the properties of objects in a movie running in a browser? It'd be really cool if there were a way to issue commands from such a widget, too. Thanks! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Re: looking for an object-explorer/trouble-shooting widget
XRay http://osflash.org/xray Andrew Sinning wrote: Clarification: I'm using AS2. Andrew Sinning wrote: I've found that the F8 debugger is completely useless for any project using more than a few hundred lines are a few classes. The Flash-Tracer widget is really helpful, but I need something more. Is there a widget anywhere that a person could use to explore the properties of objects in a movie running in a browser? It'd be really cool if there were a way to issue commands from such a widget, too. Thanks! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Glen Pike 01326 218440 www.glenpike.co.uk http://www.glenpike.co.uk ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] RE: AS3 memory management - loaded content
On the AIR tip, here's the thing. Desktop application development is an entirely different beast than website application development and Flash website development. You must be extremely conscientious about your memory management with desktop applications because they might be running for days or even weeks at a time, whereas website apps and Flash sites will only be running for maximum a few hours. In this way, AIR is inviting trouble because they're attempting to bring Desktop development appealing to the masses, when really, the masses have no idea what they're getting into, or what they're subjecting their users to. Of course, you gotta learn sometime and all the memory management stuff you learn can be applied to your Flash sites, as well. This expose by Grant Skinner is important specifically because of Adobe AIR more so than anything else. I was developing Flash desktop applications with Flash wrappers and Director for a few years so I know a lot of the pitfalls, one of the biggest being tight memory management. This extremely bad memory leak in AS3 is a death knell for AIR. Until it is fixed, AIR can no longer be seriously considered as a reliable platform for desktop application development. People are better off using AS2 and one of the other wrappers out there. There's just no room for terribly bad memory leaks like this in the world of desktop application development, especially when they're completely out of your control even when you do everything right and you have no way of fixing it. Adobe has really dug themselves into a deep hole here. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] looking for an object-explorer/trouble-shooting widget
I've found that the F8 debugger is completely useless for any project using more than a few hundred lines are a few classes. The Flash-Tracer widget is really helpful, but I need something more. Is there a widget anywhere that a person could use to explore the properties of objects in a movie running in a browser? It'd be really cool if there were a way to issue commands from such a widget, too. Thanks! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
No they are not. In fact, their absolute refusal to fix it is the reason for Grant's post. If you want it fixed, you're going to have to put pressure on Adobe, which they have certainly earned with this. Talk about it on every online forum and blog. Point to Grant's blog entry. Expose the huge memory leak in the player. Talk about how it has crippled AIR as a legitimate desktop application platform. Make major companies like Disney and Turner wary of using AS3 for their Flash sites. Think about the line about automobile recalls in Fight Club. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. Unless this affects Adobe financially or embarrass them publicly in the tech industry, they aren't going to do anything about it. Merrill, Jason wrote: Does anyone know if Adobe is fixing this huge FP9 problem? http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2008/04/failure_to_unlo.html Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO and Risk LLD Solutions Design Development eTools Multimedia Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community Are you a Bank of America associate interested in innovative learning ideas and technologies? Check out our internal GTO Innovative Learning Blog subscribe. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
And just a note here, but the blogosphere is starting to come alive with people talking about this issue. Funny that MXNA has been down for the past couple of days. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
I don't completely understand everything it's describing but I sent it on to our programming team who responded with the words wow...heinous bug. Brian Mays On 4/14/08 12:58 PM, Steven Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And just a note here, but the blogosphere is starting to come alive with people talking about this issue. Funny that MXNA has been down for the past couple of days. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3]
Same thing, load the text box into a movieclip and transform the movieclip which will in turn transform the dynamic textfield. On 14 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Stuart (FunkDaWeb) wrote: I had a rethink after reading your emails and managed to get it to work, i now need to make this work on a dynamically generated textbox any ideas? - Original Message - From: Michael William Ypes To: Flash Coders List Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3] Can you load the dynamic movieclip into a movieclip that extends oscars class. That way you just change the coords on the container and not necessarily on the dynamic movie. Either way it should have exactly the same effect. Would that help or am I just not getting your problem? On 14 Apr 2008, at 15:47, Stuart (FunkDaWeb) wrote: I have got the code working in the way they do it however i need to use it in a different way! I want to set the registration point to an already created movieclip and it seams using Oscars class you have to use his new dynamicmovie() I dont need all the functions that come with it i just want it to set a new X/Y position - Original Message - From: Michael William Ypes To: Flash Coders List Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] setting registration point via actionscript [AS3] I have used that class to great effect, http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/UK-Gym-Health-Club-Locator/Fitness-First-Gym-Locator.aspx What seems to be the problem. the map mentioned above is in as3 and changes the registration point all the time depending on where the user clicks or pans to. What does your code look like? On 14 Apr 2008, at 13:05, Stuart (FunkDaWeb) wrote: Hi guys ive been trying to figure this out now for over a week, i want to dynamically set the registration point of a dynamically created movieclip. ive come across a class by Oscar Trelles (a re- written AS1/2 class) that does what im after but it does not seam to be very portable and can not get it to work with my app. I have also tried to use negative values by creating a blank mc and loading the image into it, this gives me an image that's in the correct place but the blank MC does not use the negative values set so i have an overall MC thats bigger that it should be! So heres my question I want to create a movieclip with the X/Y set to 0 but have the actual registration point set to X = mc.width / 2 and Y = mc.height / 2 so when i use the transform controls ive created it scales, rotates etc... from the centre. I also have a second question how do i set the initial value of a colorpicker box via actionscript? this too also seams to be really hard to find the answer! SM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Indeed, its pretty bad and pretty unworkable in some circumstances as Grant has pointed out. Ick. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Brian Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't completely understand everything it's describing but I sent it on to our programming team who responded with the words wow...heinous bug. Brian Mays On 4/14/08 12:58 PM, Steven Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And just a note here, but the blogosphere is starting to come alive with people talking about this issue. Funny that MXNA has been down for the past couple of days. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Hi Steven, Where in Grant's post does he say that Adobe refuses to fix this problem? I must have missed that part. If anyone from Adobe has made such a statement, please point it out to me, because I'd have a bone to pick with that person. Grant's post is helpful because he discusses the issue in such detail, but it would be even more helpful to have a concrete test case that exhibits this problem. As Muzak suggested earlier, please take a look at the new Flash Player public bugbase. There's currently a bug titled Memory leak in AS3: https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-49 If this bug report describes the same problem that you experience, please register on the site and vote for the bug. If it doesn't describe what you are experiencing, please help us out and file a new bug report that describes your problem and upload test files if at all possible. Francis Cheng | Senior Technical Writer | Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/fcheng -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Sacks Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:48 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? No they are not. In fact, their absolute refusal to fix it is the reason for Grant's post. If you want it fixed, you're going to have to put pressure on Adobe, which they have certainly earned with this. Talk about it on every online forum and blog. Point to Grant's blog entry. Expose the huge memory leak in the player. Talk about how it has crippled AIR as a legitimate desktop application platform. Make major companies like Disney and Turner wary of using AS3 for their Flash sites. Think about the line about automobile recalls in Fight Club. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. Unless this affects Adobe financially or embarrass them publicly in the tech industry, they aren't going to do anything about it. Merrill, Jason wrote: Does anyone know if Adobe is fixing this huge FP9 problem? http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2008/04/failure_to_unlo.html Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO and Risk LLD Solutions Design Development eTools Multimedia Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community Are you a Bank of America associate interested in innovative learning ideas and technologies? Check out our internal GTO Innovative Learning Blog subscribe. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] RE: AS3 memory management - loaded content
I emailed Lee Brimelow at TheFlashBlog.com about this issue, I'd love to hear what someone within Adobe has to say re this issue. I dont expect a personal response of course but maybe if enough of us email him he'll write a post on it. .m On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Steven Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the AIR tip, here's the thing. Desktop application development is an entirely different beast than website application development and Flash website development. You must be extremely conscientious about your memory management with desktop applications because they might be running for days or even weeks at a time, whereas website apps and Flash sites will only be running for maximum a few hours. In this way, AIR is inviting trouble because they're attempting to bring Desktop development appealing to the masses, when really, the masses have no idea what they're getting into, or what they're subjecting their users to. Of course, you gotta learn sometime and all the memory management stuff you learn can be applied to your Flash sites, as well. This expose by Grant Skinner is important specifically because of Adobe AIR more so than anything else. I was developing Flash desktop applications with Flash wrappers and Director for a few years so I know a lot of the pitfalls, one of the biggest being tight memory management. This extremely bad memory leak in AS3 is a death knell for AIR. Until it is fixed, AIR can no longer be seriously considered as a reliable platform for desktop application development. People are better off using AS2 and one of the other wrappers out there. There's just no room for terribly bad memory leaks like this in the world of desktop application development, especially when they're completely out of your control even when you do everything right and you have no way of fixing it. Adobe has really dug themselves into a deep hole here. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Francis Cheng wrote: Grant's post is helpful because he discusses the issue in such detail, but it would be even more helpful to have a concrete test case that exhibits this problem. Francis, With all due respect, the Flash team knows about this, and they don't need any more concrete test cases. We've got better things to do than play into Adobe's attempt to buy time by deflecting it back on the developers to come up with examples while the Flash team tries to get out of their blunder. It's clear that Grant had discussions with Adobe before he wrote that blog post and I'm certain that others have approached the Flash player team with this issue for awhile. Nothing has been done to fix it, so you end up with a public exposure of the issue, as Grant has done. The Flash player team has egg on its face because in AS2 if you unload a swf, it unloads, and in AS3, it doesn't. Period end of statement. The Flash GC engine's inner workings is something that nobody outside of Adobe has access into and we can't possibly make tests that demonstrate whether it is or isn't working. The proof is in the pudding and Grant's post is all the evidence you need. Let's not get into a situation where we are insulting each other's intelligence by acting like the Flash team hasn't been aware of this issue for quite some time. The Flash team is well aware of it, they know why it exists and they know it's difficult to fix. In all likelihood, they knew about it before any developer discovered it. I mean, after all, it works exactly like it was coded to work. It's not technically a bug, it's an engineering decision that is coming back to haunt them. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] AS3 - first site
slide.mouseChildren = false;
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Corban Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey guys I am having some issues with understanding AS3 and how all my
scope etc works. Can I get some type of explanation on this. Below is
some code I am trying to use in my first AS3 project but I can't seem
to get a few things to work out.
The problem I see is that since my pictLdr is being put in the slide
it inherits the slide's click event. But I don't want the pictLdr to
have a click event I just want the slide (container) to have the
event. When the pictLdr gets clicked now I am returned with a name
value for the pictLdr but I only want the name of the slide since it
will have the 'num' var in it and can tell me its position in the
slide list. But pictLdr can't.
I hope what I am asking makes sense. But I am slightly confused on all
this. I understand why pictLdr is getting the event now since its part
of the slide and with the new event model this is possible. But with
my old AS2 mind I can't work around on how I am supposed to work
through this. Please help! Thanks!
function createSlides(slides:Array):void {
var totalSlides:Number = slides.length;
//trace(totalSlides);
//create container to hold all the clips
for (var i:int = 0; i totalSlides; i++) {
//trace(slides[i].num + + slides[i].pages[0]);
var slide:SlideContainer = new SlideContainer();
slide.x = 130;
slide.y = -180 + (320 * i);//position slide along the
y-axis
slide.num = i;
slide.name = slide + i;
slide.buttonMode = true;
slide.addEventListener(MouseEvent.CLICK, clicked);
container.addChildAt(slide, i);//container for each of the
slides and is a MC
//this will hold additional info like a background for the
images and a holder
var pictLdr:Loader = new Loader();
pictLdr.x = 22;
pictLdr.y = 19;
pictLdr.name = img;
slide.addChild(pictLdr);//code works fine if I addChild
here.
var pictURL:String = gallery/ + slides[i].pages[0];//path
to a jpg
for the gallery
var pictURLReq:URLRequest = new URLRequest(pictURL);
pictLdr.load(pictURLReq);
pictLdr.contentLoaderInfo.addEventListener(Event.COMPLETE,
imgLoaded);
}
}
function clicked(event:MouseEvent):void {
trace(event.target.name); //returns img
moveSlides(-1);
}
--
Corban Baxter
http://www.projectx4.com
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RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
1) Are flv's affected? 2) Does it ruin Adobe media player? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Scanned by Bizo Email Filter ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
In AS3, If you want to send an email, all you have to do is this:
function sendData():void
{
??? var variables:URLVariables = new URLVariables();
??? variables.name = name_txt.text;
??? variables.email = email_txt.text;
??? variables.message = message_txt.text;
??? var _request:URLRequest = new URLRequest(mailer.php);
??? _request.data = variables;
??? _request.method = URLRequestMethod.POST;
??? var loader:URLLoader = new URLLoader();
??? loader.dataFormat = URLLoaderDataFormat.TEXT;
??? loader.addEventListener( Event.COMPLETE, sendComplete );
??? loader.load( _request );
}
function sendComplete( e:Event ):void
{
??? helpnotif_mc.helptip_txt.text = Message Sent! We will reply asap!;
??? helpnotif_mc.helptip_txt.textColor = 0x00ff00;
}
-
PHP:::
?php
/* mailer.php - version 1.0.1 */
/* creator - Jacob Relkin*/
/* Pull POST data from Flash */
$name = $_POST['name'];
$email = $_POST['email'];
/* Define html message */
$message = 'html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titlePHP E-Mail/title
style type=text/css
!--
body,td,th {
??? font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
??? font-size: 16px;
??? color: #00FF00;
}
body {
??? background-color: #00;
}
--
/style/head
body
div align=center' . $_POST['message'] . '/div/body/html';
/* Title of the E-mail */
$subject? = PHPMessage;
/* The e-mail address to send the message to. */
$toaddress = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]';
$name = trim($name);
$email = trim($email);
$subject = stripslashes($subject);
$message = stripslashes($message);
$headers = 'From: ' . $name . ' ' . $email . '';
$headers .= 'MIME-Version: 1.0' . \r\n;
$headers .= 'Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1' . \r\n;
mail($toaddress, $subject, $message, $headers);
?
If you have any questions, you can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jacob
-Original Message-
From: Lehr, Theodore M (N-SGIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:29 am
Subject: [Flashcoders] sending email as/php
Sorry for posting such a basic but I did google first... I am trying:
As:
loadVariablesNum (mail.php, 0, POST);
php:
?php
$comment=$_GET['ucomment'];
$name=$_GET['uname'];
$email=$_GET['uemail'];
mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], subject, Name: .$name.\nEmail:
.$email.\n\nComment: .$comment);
?
I am not getting the variable values...
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Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
My guess is that flv's are not affected.. And guessing some more.. external swf's that contain flv/audio are affected (e.g. audio will continue to play when unloading the swf). - Original Message - From: Barry Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? 1) Are flv's affected? 2) Does it ruin Adobe media player? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Correct, Muzak. They are affected. You might remember I posted about this issue last month. I cannot unload a swf that contains an embedded video on the timeline. The best I can do is stop it. Muzak wrote: My guess is that flv's are not affected.. And guessing some more.. external swf's that contain flv/audio are affected (e.g. audio will continue to play when unloading the swf). - Original Message - From: Barry Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? 1) Are flv's affected? 2) Does it ruin Adobe media player? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Let's get down to brass tax. Grant's post is not some bug report and everyone at Adobe knows it. Coming on here and trying to downplay it isn't going to get you very far because people are going to call bullshit. It's a major problem for Adobe for this to be made public and one reason it was made public is because the Flash team wouldn't admit it or fix it. It's not a good idea to lie to your development community. The Flash team knows what they did. They shouldn't have made this bad engineering decision and now they are in a bind because there's no going back and the best they can do is try and provide a usable workaround in the form of memory sandboxing. Weak (no pun intended). The rule for unloading a swf is that you have to remove all references, stop all timelines, stop all sounds, stop all timers, stop any enter frame listeners, etc, only then will it be allowed to unload. This requirement set up the situation where you cannot run a trace inside the swf to prove that it still exists in memory, otherwise, you've violated the requirement that allows a swf to unload. Interesting, huh? This is the very thing that the Flash team has relied upon to shield themselves from this being exposed. If you can't prove it, they don't have to fix it because they've got plausible deniability. The GC is completely hidden from developers, which only compounds the issue. Of course, this lack of transparency of the GC is by design, and that discussion is out of the scope of this conversation. This is the Flash team's dirty secret. They don't actually unload your swf. But, if you stop all timelines, scripts, and clear all references then to the casual observer it appears that your clip is unloaded because you have no solid way of proving otherwsie. Crafty, but not crafty enough. Unfortunately for the Flash player team, some smart developers figured out a way to prove what's really going on, and because of their continued denials and refusal to fix it because of the difficulty in doing so, their dirty little secret has been exposed. The fact of the matter is, if your references are within the scope of the swf, and you unload the swf, then the swf and everything inside it should unload. You shouldn't have to turn off anything inside a swf if its scope stays within the swf. You shouldn't have to call stop() on all timelines inside a swf that you're trying to unload, either. AS2 let you do it, so should AS3. I don't know how Adobe, in good conscience, could be pushing newbie developers to learn AS3. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Steven, Steven Sacks wrote: We've got better things to do than play into Adobe's attempt to buy time by deflecting it back on the developers ... I'm not trying to deflect anything or to buy time. I was just making a statement that it's more helpful to have concrete test cases. You said yourself that it's difficult to fix, so it seems reasonable to me that having more concrete test cases will make it easier to fix. It's clear that Grant had discussions with Adobe before he wrote that blog post and I'm certain that others have approached the Flash player team with this issue for awhile. You seem to be implying that Grant wrote the blog post only after he was rebuffed or stonewalled by the Flash Player team when he approached them with this issue. I have no idea whether he has contacted the Flash Player team about this issue, but he certainly doesn't explicitly talk about it in his post. In fact, what he does say about the Flash Player team seems to cut the other way: The player team is a group of smart, dedicated people, who are genuinely interested in what you have to say. I'd like to humbly offer a possible alternative motive for Grant's post. Perhaps he understands that the Player team gets a lot of feedback and has to evaluate each issue based not only on its severity, but also on the amount of content and the number of developers that the issue affects. Perhaps his post was an attempt to clarify to the Flash Player team that they have underestimated both the severity and scope of this issue. The Flash GC engine's inner workings is something that nobody outside of Adobe has access into... Not true. The Flash GC engine used in AVM2 is open-source (as part of the Tamarin project). I'm just mentioning this as a point of interest. I'm not in any way deflecting the issue here. I don't expect anyone on this list to actually fix Tamarin GC bugs or to understand the inner workings of the GC before filing a bug report. But if you are curious about the AVM2 garbage collector, named MMgc, here's a link to the Tamarin GC docs: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/MMgc Let's not get into a situation where we are insulting each other's intelligence by acting like the Flash team hasn't been aware of this issue for quite some time. I never said the player team hasn't heard about this. In fact, the bug report I linked to in my last message was filed in late November 2007. Another side note--someone mentioned Grant's blog post on Flexcoders last week, and Alex Harui, who is an order of magnitude smarter than I am, responded: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/message/109455 Francis Cheng | Senior Technical Writer | Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/fcheng -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Sacks Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:45 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? Francis Cheng wrote: Grant's post is helpful because he discusses the issue in such detail, but it would be even more helpful to have a concrete test case that exhibits this problem. Francis, With all due respect, the Flash team knows about this, and they don't need any more concrete test cases. We've got better things to do than play into Adobe's attempt to buy time by deflecting it back on the developers to come up with examples while the Flash team tries to get out of their blunder. It's clear that Grant had discussions with Adobe before he wrote that blog post and I'm certain that others have approached the Flash player team with this issue for awhile. Nothing has been done to fix it, so you end up with a public exposure of the issue, as Grant has done. The Flash player team has egg on its face because in AS2 if you unload a swf, it unloads, and in AS3, it doesn't. Period end of statement. The Flash GC engine's inner workings is something that nobody outside of Adobe has access into and we can't possibly make tests that demonstrate whether it is or isn't working. The proof is in the pudding and Grant's post is all the evidence you need. Let's not get into a situation where we are insulting each other's intelligence by acting like the Flash team hasn't been aware of this issue for quite some time. The Flash team is well aware of it, they know why it exists and they know it's difficult to fix. In all likelihood, they knew about it before any developer discovered it. I mean, after all, it works exactly like it was coded to work. It's not technically a bug, it's an engineering decision that is coming back to haunt them. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
You could write them an email saying you will do that if they don't fix this huge issue ending your mail with such an smiley ;) Instead of being a huge sucker. I hope, Steven, this is just part of the strategy. How much money have you make since flash player is out...? 300 000$ a year you saidhm FP team really sucks...wooo hell... As if this issue was the end of the worldwhat the fuck is a flash player in the universe god damn it! By the way, Disney just called me, they don't give a shit... L Steven Sacks a écrit : No they are not. In fact, their absolute refusal to fix it is the reason for Grant's post. If you want it fixed, you're going to have to put pressure on Adobe, which they have certainly earned with this. Talk about it on every online forum and blog. Point to Grant's blog entry. Expose the huge memory leak in the player. Talk about how it has crippled AIR as a legitimate desktop application platform. Make major companies like Disney and Turner wary of using AS3 for their Flash sites. Think about the line about automobile recalls in Fight Club. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. Unless this affects Adobe financially or embarrass them publicly in the tech industry, they aren't going to do anything about it. Merrill, Jason wrote: Does anyone know if Adobe is fixing this huge FP9 problem? http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2008/04/failure_to_unlo.html Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO and Risk LLD Solutions Design Development eTools Multimedia Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community Are you a Bank of America associate interested in innovative learning ideas and technologies? Check out our internal GTO Innovative Learning Blog subscribe. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Thanks for the link to Alex Harui's post, Francis. It unquestionably supports my stance that only advanced developers should be using AS3 and everyone else (95% of Flash developers) should stick with AS1/AS2. This issue of not unloading swfs unless you explicitly turn everything off inside it is another prime reason why only expert developers should be coding AS3. The fact that it doesn't actually work even when you do requires a high level of programming skill to manage correctly. This is not the realm of designers, animators and low to mid level Flash developers. Nobody wants to acknowledge the strictness in AS3 is not merely syntax, but extends to the entire way you develop. Most Flash developers out there are not strict or disciplined programmers. AS2's looseness (and the ability to unload swfs) is still best for creative Flash development except in the trained hands of Flash experts who know how to manage the memory management issues. If the GC implementation in Flash was truly transparent, then somebody would be able to explain why Grant's localConnection hack to force the GC to run worked. The Flash team would also provide some API methods into it. There is no API to the GC, therefore it's implementation is not transparent. And to the guy who said Disney doesn't give a shit, you're wrong. Disney is undergoing a major overhaul of all their Flash content to AS3. They've been in touch with Adobe about this. Let's not spread misinformation here. I think Adobe has done enough. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Also I want to make clear that I am not putting any words into Grant's mouth. I have not had any discussion with Grant personally on this topic. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Ha! I never said I make $300,000 a year. Where did you get such a crazy idea as that? :) The Flash player team knew they were in a pickle and instead of providing a way to punt something or forcibly shut it down, they opted to not say anything and hope that nobody figured it out. That might be ok when you only have a few hundred users, but with the way Adobe's been pushing AS3 at everyone, getting people like Colin Moock to try and convert newbie developers to use AS3 claiming how much better it is, Adobe's behavior is completely irresponsible. I make my living with Flash. I don't need other companies out there pushing competing technologies to be able to point out that the Flash player has a major issue in it so come to the darkside. Adobe needs to fix it, pronto. :)-- Smiley face laurent wrote: I hope, Steven, this is just part of the strategy. How much money have you make since flash player is out...? 300 000$ a year you said ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Steven Sacks a écrit : Thanks for the link to Alex Harui's post, Francis. It unquestionably supports my stance that only advanced developers should be using AS3 and everyone else (95% of Flash developers) should stick with AS1/AS2. Bullshit This issue of not unloading swfs unless you explicitly turn everything off inside it is another prime reason why only expert developers should be coding AS3. Bullcrap The fact that it doesn't actually work even when you do requires a high level of programming skill to manage correctly. This is not the realm of designers, animators and low to mid level Flash developers. Who are you for god sake ? I know who you are it's just to mean it means nothing. Nobody wants to acknowledge the strictness in AS3 is not merely syntax, but extends to the entire way you develop. Most Flash developers out there are not strict or disciplined programmers. Nice. sources ? I don't ask for your clean code here. AS2's looseness (and the ability to unload swfs) is still best for creative Flash development except in the trained hands of Flash experts who know how to manage the memory management issues. yeah we know creatives are just a bunch of troubadour...nearly monkeys, give them bananas and they'll have fun. If the GC implementation in Flash was truly transparent, then somebody would be able to explain why Grant's localConnection hack to force the GC to run worked. The Flash team would also provide some API methods into it. There is no API to the GC, therefore it's implementation is not transparent. True they must be something hidden by the team, something nasty, their own shit I think. Remember shit is the essence of the world everything grows out of shit. And to the guy who said Disney doesn't give a shit, you're wrong. Disney is undergoing a major overhaul of all their Flash content to AS3. They've been in touch with Adobe about this. Let's not spread misinformation here. I think Adobe has done enough. You can't even read you mail box...I don't know who's misinforming people here, where do you glance your informations, from true moment of inspiration or you work for the aliens...? Laurent Quoting Dsiney, Hey man you know how much money we make in our parks, on exploiting poor students, comedians, other unknown artists make them play Dingo or Donal Duck ;) What is memory used for in a computer ? Memory is dangerous man. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
- Original Message - From: Steven Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? I don't need other companies out there pushing competing technologies to be able to point out that the Flash player has a major issue in it so come to the darkside. You're saving them the job. If I were reading this thread I'd wonder how anyone had ever done anything with Flash. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Laurent, you're my hero! teh internet is serious business INDEED! :) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Ha! Paul Andrews wrote: You're saving them the job. If I were reading this thread I'd wonder how anyone had ever done anything with Flash. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Can you please refrain from your personal tirade on this list? I'm sick of your potty mouth, it's completely unprofessional and unnecessary. If you have an axe to grind with Steven, email him directly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurent Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 10:57 a.m. To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? Steven Sacks a écrit : Thanks for the link to Alex Harui's post, Francis. It unquestionably supports my stance that only advanced developers should be using AS3 and everyone else (95% of Flash developers) should stick with AS1/AS2. Bullshit This issue of not unloading swfs unless you explicitly turn everything off inside it is another prime reason why only expert developers should be coding AS3. Bullcrap The fact that it doesn't actually work even when you do requires a high level of programming skill to manage correctly. This is not the realm of designers, animators and low to mid level Flash developers. Who are you for god sake ? I know who you are it's just to mean it means nothing. Nobody wants to acknowledge the strictness in AS3 is not merely syntax, but extends to the entire way you develop. Most Flash developers out there are not strict or disciplined programmers. Nice. sources ? I don't ask for your clean code here. AS2's looseness (and the ability to unload swfs) is still best for creative Flash development except in the trained hands of Flash experts who know how to manage the memory management issues. yeah we know creatives are just a bunch of troubadour...nearly monkeys, give them bananas and they'll have fun. If the GC implementation in Flash was truly transparent, then somebody would be able to explain why Grant's localConnection hack to force the GC to run worked. The Flash team would also provide some API methods into it. There is no API to the GC, therefore it's implementation is not transparent. True they must be something hidden by the team, something nasty, their own shit I think. Remember shit is the essence of the world everything grows out of shit. And to the guy who said Disney doesn't give a shit, you're wrong. Disney is undergoing a major overhaul of all their Flash content to AS3. They've been in touch with Adobe about this. Let's not spread misinformation here. I think Adobe has done enough. You can't even read you mail box...I don't know who's misinforming people here, where do you glance your informations, from true moment of inspiration or you work for the aliens...? Laurent Quoting Dsiney, Hey man you know how much money we make in our parks, on exploiting poor students, comedians, other unknown artists make them play Dingo or Donal Duck ;) What is memory used for in a computer ? Memory is dangerous man. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Scanned by Bizo Email Filter ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Yeah I'm sorry Steven, I don't have real technical arguments on all this and of course you're making a point that perhaps - because no one can prove it, even not the aliens, I'm working for them they have no clue, and I know you don't that was just to see how far you can go - perhaps adobe tried to hide a mistake ( and that's just fantasy), and who does not when managing his life, and how big is the mistake or how big are you making it, seriously Grant post is fare, and fare with the great adobe team. What best move to go as maximum open source as they can,it's a big montain to move, so it must involve great movement somewhere. Those are to care about. . To be serious, you posted this at 18:38 (Berlin time) the 26/03/08: You're joking, right? Talented Flash developers are in extremely high demand right now. Every day I get 3-5 emails from recruiters or companies. It's a seller's market and people are paying top dollar for AS3 and Flex devs. Flash and Flex jobs are paying $75-$150/hr. That's $150,000 - $300,000 a year. If you can't afford a Porsche, you need to find a new job or grow a pair and ask for a raise. That being said, I don't own a Porsche because I've got better things to do with my money. ;) Sorry I'm arguing in a really subjective nasty way here, but I get pist off sometimes and concerned Nice words: I did learn very fast a lot about structuring my project in installing your Gaia framework. You must be a great programmer, so come back to us, Gaia Loves you (if you don't spit on it :) L Steven Sacks a écrit : Laurent, you're my hero! teh internet is serious business INDEED! :) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
I'm so confused... You bummed that you don't make that much, or: ticked that he wants to force action on this bug, or: hate the color of his shirt, or On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:44 PM, laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I'm sorry Steven, I don't have real technical arguments on all this and of course you're making a point that perhaps - because no one can prove it, even not the aliens, I'm working for them they have no clue, and I know you don't that was just to see how far you can go - perhaps adobe tried to hide a mistake ( and that's just fantasy), and who does not when managing his life, and how big is the mistake or how big are you making it, seriously Grant post is fare, and fare with the great adobe team. What best move to go as maximum open source as they can,it's a big montain to move, so it must involve great movement somewhere. Those are to care about. . To be serious, you posted this at 18:38 (Berlin time) the 26/03/08: You're joking, right? Talented Flash developers are in extremely high demand right now. Every day I get 3-5 emails from recruiters or companies. It's a seller's market and people are paying top dollar for AS3 and Flex devs. Flash and Flex jobs are paying $75-$150/hr. That's $150,000 - $300,000 a year. If you can't afford a Porsche, you need to find a new job or grow a pair and ask for a raise. That being said, I don't own a Porsche because I've got better things to do with my money. ;) Sorry I'm arguing in a really subjective nasty way here, but I get pist off sometimes and concerned Nice words: I did learn very fast a lot about structuring my project in installing your Gaia framework. You must be a great programmer, so come back to us, Gaia Loves you (if you don't spit on it :) L Steven Sacks a écrit : Laurent, you're my hero! teh internet is serious business INDEED! :) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Steven Sacks wrote: And to the guy who said Disney doesn't give a shit, you're wrong. Disney is undergoing a major overhaul of all their Flash content to AS3. They've been in touch with Adobe about this. Let's not spread misinformation here. I think Adobe has done enough. Toyota is migrating/has migrated to AS3 too (and their coding standards are kinda sexy). This issue may actually impact a project I was discussing with a client today. The client wants to do an RIA with AIR and it will require the loading/unloading of content. The nature of the content requires a lot of memory so, if this issue is as pervasive as has been described, AIR won't be an option. Hmmm, the tests they have done so far were built Flex. Now I have to see if this will present a problem overall. :sigh: -Ricky ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
I am absolutely amazed at the liberty that you have taken in passing off your assumptions and opinions as fact. It unquestionably supports my stance that only advanced developers should be using AS3 and everyone else (95% of Flash developers) should stick with AS1/AS2. Can you prove this with hard statistics? The fact that it doesn't actually work even when you do requires a high level of programming skill to manage correctly. You even used the word 'fact' this time. Most Flash developers out there are not strict or disciplined programmers. Once again, this is nothing more than opinion. Let's not spread misinformation here. I think Adobe has done enough. The sheer irony of this statement is astounding. Steve, your conspiracy theories and posturing is doing nothing to cement professional opinions of your abilities and character. Your intellect is entirely eclipsed by the collective intelligence of the flash player team and only a fool would suggest they are not doing anything to fix it. There are things you can do besides bickering and making accusations that will actually HELP the problem. Write an article, explore alternate solutions, submit a wish list, etc. Be constructive not destructive. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Sacks Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:28 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem? Thanks for the link to Alex Harui's post, Francis. It unquestionably supports my stance that only advanced developers should be using AS3 and everyone else (95% of Flash developers) should stick with AS1/AS2. This issue of not unloading swfs unless you explicitly turn everything off inside it is another prime reason why only expert developers should be coding AS3. The fact that it doesn't actually work even when you do requires a high level of programming skill to manage correctly. This is not the realm of designers, animators and low to mid level Flash developers. Nobody wants to acknowledge the strictness in AS3 is not merely syntax, but extends to the entire way you develop. Most Flash developers out there are not strict or disciplined programmers. AS2's looseness (and the ability to unload swfs) is still best for creative Flash development except in the trained hands of Flash experts who know how to manage the memory management issues. If the GC implementation in Flash was truly transparent, then somebody would be able to explain why Grant's localConnection hack to force the GC to run worked. The Flash team would also provide some API methods into it. There is no API to the GC, therefore it's implementation is not transparent. And to the guy who said Disney doesn't give a shit, you're wrong. Disney is undergoing a major overhaul of all their Flash content to AS3. They've been in touch with Adobe about this. Let's not spread misinformation here. I think Adobe has done enough. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Certainly not the first one, perhaps a mix of the two last you wrote. There's way of doing things. And way to say as if as a professionnal way totally unprofessionnal things. L Bob Wohl a écrit : I'm so confused... You bummed that you don't make that much, or: ticked that he wants to force action on this bug, or: hate the color of his shirt, or On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:44 PM, laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I'm sorry Steven, I don't have real technical arguments on all this and of course you're making a point that perhaps - because no one can prove it, even not the aliens, I'm working for them they have no clue, and I know you don't that was just to see how far you can go - perhaps adobe tried to hide a mistake ( and that's just fantasy), and who does not when managing his life, and how big is the mistake or how big are you making it, seriously Grant post is fare, and fare with the great adobe team. What best move to go as maximum open source as they can,it's a big montain to move, so it must involve great movement somewhere. Those are to care about. . To be serious, you posted this at 18:38 (Berlin time) the 26/03/08: You're joking, right? Talented Flash developers are in extremely high demand right now. Every day I get 3-5 emails from recruiters or companies. It's a seller's market and people are paying top dollar for AS3 and Flex devs. Flash and Flex jobs are paying $75-$150/hr. That's $150,000 - $300,000 a year. If you can't afford a Porsche, you need to find a new job or grow a pair and ask for a raise. That being said, I don't own a Porsche because I've got better things to do with my money. ;) Sorry I'm arguing in a really subjective nasty way here, but I get pist off sometimes and concerned Nice words: I did learn very fast a lot about structuring my project in installing your Gaia framework. You must be a great programmer, so come back to us, Gaia Loves you (if you don't spit on it :) L Steven Sacks a écrit : Laurent, you're my hero! teh internet is serious business INDEED! :) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Re: Adding n days to dateField.selectedDate
Thanks Gabino, Matthew Michael Can anyone tell me why the following isn't working. I get an error that there is no property with the name 'time' referring to 'd.time+=(8640*283). var d:Date=new Date(2008,3,14); d.time+=(8640*283); // 283 days, in milliseconds trace(d.getFullYear()+/+(d.getMonth()+1)+/+d.getDate()); // 2009/1/21 This message is for the named persons use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or; lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. GOULBURN OVENS INSTITUTE OF TAFE and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. # This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by NetIQ MailMarshal and Goulburn Ovens Institute of TAFE # ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Re: Adding n days to dateField.selectedDate
On 15/04/2008 03:15, Alan Neilsen wrote: I get an error that there is no property with the name 'time' referring to 'd.time+=(8640*283). Date.time is an AS3 property - didn't realise you were in AS2. This should work: var d:Date=new Date(2008,3,14); d.setTime(d.getTime()+(8640*283)); // 283 days, in milliseconds trace(d.getFullYear()+/+(d.getMonth()+1)+/+d.getDate()); // 2009/1/21 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
ah, clarity! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:13 PM, laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly not the first one, perhaps a mix of the two last you wrote. There's way of doing things. And way to say as if as a professionnal way totally unprofessionnal things. L Bob Wohl a écrit : I'm so confused... You bummed that you don't make that much, or: ticked that he wants to force action on this bug, or: hate the color of his shirt, or On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:44 PM, laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I'm sorry Steven, I don't have real technical arguments on all this and of course you're making a point that perhaps - because no one can prove it, even not the aliens, I'm working for them they have no clue, and I know you don't that was just to see how far you can go - perhaps adobe tried to hide a mistake ( and that's just fantasy), and who does not when managing his life, and how big is the mistake or how big are you making it, seriously Grant post is fare, and fare with the great adobe team. What best move to go as maximum open source as they can,it's a big montain to move, so it must involve great movement somewhere. Those are to care about. . To be serious, you posted this at 18:38 (Berlin time) the 26/03/08: You're joking, right? Talented Flash developers are in extremely high demand right now. Every day I get 3-5 emails from recruiters or companies. It's a seller's market and people are paying top dollar for AS3 and Flex devs. Flash and Flex jobs are paying $75-$150/hr. That's $150,000 - $300,000 a year. If you can't afford a Porsche, you need to find a new job or grow a pair and ask for a raise. That being said, I don't own a Porsche because I've got better things to do with my money. ;) Sorry I'm arguing in a really subjective nasty way here, but I get pist off sometimes and concerned Nice words: I did learn very fast a lot about structuring my project in installing your Gaia framework. You must be a great programmer, so come back to us, Gaia Loves you (if you don't spit on it :) L Steven Sacks a écrit : Laurent, you're my hero! teh internet is serious business INDEED! :) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Laurent wrote: what the f**k is a flash player in the universe god damn it! By the way, Disney just called me, they don't give a s**t... Ouch. Ok, I'm old-fashioned, but, please, Laurent, out of consideration for the more prudish members of the list like myself, could you refrain from that sort of language? I'm not the list mom, and don't pretend to speak for anybody but myself, but that does make me uncomfortable. Please? Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Is Adobe fixing this big FP9 problem?
Laurent wrote: what the f**k is a flash player in the universe god damn it! By the way, Disney just called me, they don't give a s**t... Kerry Thompson wrote: Ouch. Ok, I'm old-fashioned, but, please, Laurent, out of consideration for the more prudish members of the list like myself, could you refrain from that sort of language? I'm not the list mom, and don't pretend to speak for anybody but myself, but that does make me uncomfortable. Yeah, Jason Merrill works in corporate America and he has to be careful, too. Put $10 in the swear jar. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
