Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging
I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash. You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but the damage was done, 8 years ago. In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5. We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to handle all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices too. There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on animation and interactivity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw. There's a unified force in the community pushing new features for us developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks coming out that redefine Flash development as we know it? Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer can it be relevant without major support from Adobe. I'm sure there's still jobs out there for Flash devs, but I'd have to imagine the pool is getting smaller. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote: That's really encouraging. Great! Thanks On 07/09/2014 02:13, Rick wrote: AIR app installs cross a billion - April 2014 now powers almost a hundred thousand unique applications on desktops and mobile devices. http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2014/04/air-app- installs-cross-a-billion.html It's such a great platform still - I've been using it to make ios apps with good results. The weakness is how it is perceived. But clients do smile at the reduced developer costs and its great capabilities. If only adobe would hire an a-list PR firm to change the perception to match the reality. Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:18:12 +0100 From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging Good point. Thanks John On 05/09/2014 21:43, Henrik Andersson wrote: The problem here is developers not stating what runtime they use for their apps. What can be done is checking existing apps for obvious signs of the runtime. Shouldn't take long for someone to crawl the appstore and check all the apps for the fingerprint of the runtime. John McCormack skriver: There may have been some merit in Apple's battery argument since greater cpu activity, for Flash's vector format, might incur a greater energy cost. Although Flash is having a hard time I was thinking more of using AIR, which I think has more life left in it. The thing is, I have no idea how active developers are with app's delivered via AIR. Are there many AIR app's being produced? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders . ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders __ _ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders . ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- James Merrill toThePixel.com http://www.toThePixel.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging
James, I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible, though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you. It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to write the app: JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go about the with the combination you use? You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on? On Flash Builder: Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is. One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening. What IDE's are other people using? John On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote: I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash. You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but the damage was done, 8 years ago. In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5. We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to handle all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices too. There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on animation and interactivity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw. There's a unified force in the community pushing new features for us developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks coming out that redefine Flash development as we know it? Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer can it be relevant without major support from Adobe. I'm sure there's still jobs out there for Flash devs, but I'd have to imagine the pool is getting smaller. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote: That's really encouraging. Great! Thanks On 07/09/2014 02:13, Rick wrote: AIR app installs cross a billion - April 2014 now powers almost a hundred thousand unique applications on desktops and mobile devices. http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2014/04/air-app- installs-cross-a-billion.html It's such a great platform still - I've been using it to make ios apps with good results. The weakness is how it is perceived. But clients do smile at the reduced developer costs and its great capabilities. If only adobe would hire an a-list PR firm to change the perception to match the reality. Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:18:12 +0100 From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging Good point. Thanks John On 05/09/2014 21:43, Henrik Andersson wrote: The problem here is developers not stating what runtime they use for their apps. What can be done is checking existing apps for obvious signs of the runtime. Shouldn't take long for someone to crawl the appstore and check all the apps for the fingerprint of the runtime. John McCormack skriver: There may have been some merit in Apple's battery argument since greater cpu activity, for Flash's vector format, might incur a greater energy cost. Although Flash is having a hard time I was thinking more of using AIR, which I think has more life left in it. The thing is, I have no idea how active developers are with app's delivered via AIR. Are there many AIR app's being produced? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders . ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders __ _ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders . ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging
Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil. Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, they are supposed to be complimenting each other. Your HTML defines your content, and that's it. Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, that's it. Your JS adds logic to your project. So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging each one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers who do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a different way of thinking than using one platform for everything. It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them all. Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community to fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting. If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you would use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. Phonegap will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's essentially a website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap apps. IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal HTML/CSS/JS, so you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser. You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and then use Phonegap to deploy it. Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, and I can't recommend it enough. Hopefully that helps! On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote: James, I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible, though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you. It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to write the app: JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go about the with the combination you use? You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on? On Flash Builder: Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is. One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening. What IDE's are other people using? John On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote: I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash. You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but the damage was done, 8 years ago. In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5. We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to handle all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices too. There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on animation and interactivity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw . There's a unified force in the community pushing new features for us developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks coming out that redefine Flash development as we know it? Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer can it be relevant without major support from Adobe. I'm sure there's still jobs out there for Flash devs, but I'd have to imagine the pool is getting smaller. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote: That's really encouraging. Great! Thanks On 07/09/2014 02:13, Rick wrote: AIR app installs cross a billion - April 2014 now powers almost a hundred thousand unique applications on desktops and mobile devices. http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2014/04/air-app- installs-cross-a-billion.html It's such a great platform still - I've been using it to make ios apps with good results. The weakness is how it is perceived. But clients do smile at the reduced developer costs and its great capabilities. If only adobe would hire an a-list PR firm to change the perception to match the
[Flashcoders] AS3 Datagrid question
Are folks still using this list? The archives look to end in 2007. Anyone for a Flash Datagrid *DataGridEvent.ITEM_EDIT_BEGIN * not seeming to fire on a Custom cellrendered cell? Thanks Bill ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
