Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
To be fair, it is your opinion that it is not right, unless you have a source that states otherwise. I vividly recall hearing one of the Adobe folks make the statement during a presentation online. I will add that this was a good 6 months ago (thus in beta) and could be a feature extent which didn't come to full bloom. I will see if I can dig up a more credible source for you. Charles P. On 4/2/07, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that the big reason for this feature is to be able to bring complex animations into Flex. Can you site where you heard that? I have never heard of that before. Well, that's because it's not correct ;-) Flex doesn't have a class that transforms xml into animation, which Flash CS3 does have. That doesn't mean an animator class can't/won't be written for Flex though. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
- Original Message - From: Charles Parcell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced To be fair, it is your opinion that it is not right, unless you have a source that states otherwise. Well, that's an easy one: look through the Flex docs and point me to the class that does that ;-) As I said: Flex doesn't have a class that transforms xml into animation, which Flash CS3 does have. That doesn't mean an animator class can't/won't be written for Flex though. Add to that that when Flash CS3 is released Adobe *might* release a Flex update for tighter integration with new Flash CS3 features. But so far I haven't seen any indication that this will happen (which doesn't mean it won't).. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
My understanding is that the big reason for this feature is to be able to bring complex animations into Flex. Can you site where you heard that? I have never heard of that before. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Parcell Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:34 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced My understanding is that the big reason for this feature is to be able to bring complex animations into Flex. Charles P. On 3/31/07, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think it's a pretty bogus feature, one of those things that look nice on paper but when you stop to look at it it's far from useful except on extremely specific cases and still far from the magic that will save lives like many people tend to think it is. It's still better to either use direct code tweening where it fits, or use timeline tweening where it fits (animated characters and so on). But it's not out yet, so I don't know if I've missed something. Don't be so sure. I believe there are many more flash designers and casual flash users than there are developers and those familiar enough with actionscript to code tweens. I'd venture that it's easily 10 fold or more on the design side. I worked for a while at an e-learning joint (Element-K) and was developing components for various aspects of some of the learning tools (written in flash, deployed with director at the time). I can't imagine having a load of designers trying to deal with a whole mess of FLA files with re-usable motion tweens. Just trying to get designers to adhere to consistent style guides for color or graphics was hard enough. :) Too many variables. Code is explicit, and as long as all a designer (or programmer short on time) has to do is copy/paste, the better it is. In the case of an XML motion library - it would've been a godsend at the time, and it's one of the things we recommended to MM shortly after v7 was released. cheers, jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
- Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced My understanding is that the big reason for this feature is to be able to bring complex animations into Flex. Can you site where you heard that? I have never heard of that before. Well, that's because it's not correct ;-) Flex doesn't have a class that transforms xml into animation, which Flash CS3 does have. That doesn't mean an animator class can't/won't be written for Flex though. regards, Muzak ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
My understanding is that the big reason for this feature is to be able to bring complex animations into Flex. Charles P. On 3/31/07, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think it's a pretty bogus feature, one of those things that look nice on paper but when you stop to look at it it's far from useful except on extremely specific cases and still far from the magic that will save lives like many people tend to think it is. It's still better to either use direct code tweening where it fits, or use timeline tweening where it fits (animated characters and so on). But it's not out yet, so I don't know if I've missed something. Don't be so sure. I believe there are many more flash designers and casual flash users than there are developers and those familiar enough with actionscript to code tweens. I'd venture that it's easily 10 fold or more on the design side. I worked for a while at an e-learning joint (Element-K) and was developing components for various aspects of some of the learning tools (written in flash, deployed with director at the time). I can't imagine having a load of designers trying to deal with a whole mess of FLA files with re-usable motion tweens. Just trying to get designers to adhere to consistent style guides for color or graphics was hard enough. :) Too many variables. Code is explicit, and as long as all a designer (or programmer short on time) has to do is copy/paste, the better it is. In the case of an XML motion library - it would've been a godsend at the time, and it's one of the things we recommended to MM shortly after v7 was released. cheers, jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
Hello, I would like to create an application that lets the user select 2 properties from a list of options, which will then output an image displaying those two properties together. To be more specific, I want the user to first see a question saying, make a flag. choose up to two elements for your flag. the list will include about 10 elements including stars, stripes, circles, squares, etc. After the user selects two elements, then a flag will appear displaying those two elements. Does any one know how to do something like this or where I might find a tutorial? Any advice is greatly appreciated. ~Phil ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
Sorry late into this thread, but I wanted to comment on Fireworks. Adobe is taking Fireworks in a bit of different and one could say specialized direction. It is being pushed as a web interface design application. Charles P. On 3/27/07, Hairy Dog Digital [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw that. Now the hard decision is which of the CS3 Premium bundles to go for... Design w/ InDesign CS3 vs. Web w/ Fireworks and Contribute I haven't used Contribute and wonder how long Adobe will continue Fireworks. I still use Fireworks MX04 and Fireworks 8 often, but having InDesign is very appealing. Choices, choices, choices. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
On the note of the Export Timeline feature. Did you notice in the announcement event when he showed it, that the code was tag based! So, two things to take away from that. first, it can be dropped right in Flex. second, Flash CS3 will be able to use Flex tags. Charles P. On 3/27/07, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right Ian. From Adobe Labs: The Flash Professional 9 ActionScript 3.0 Preview is the only planned preview release of the next version of the Flash authoring tool before the final version ships in 2007 The private beta would have included things such as the Export Timeline to Actionscript feature (can't wait to try that little puppy out). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: 27 March 2007 16:34 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Hi Rob, AFAICS, that's not the case. The preview that was on Labs just gave you AS3 support and a couple of other bits. The new CS3 version has a reworked interface, some extra drawing tools, extra Photoshop/Illustrator support etc. I believe the Labs version was just a quick hack in of AS3 to let people do some testing, not a proper Beta. Cheers, Ian On 3/27/07, AliasT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
No it won't. Contribute is a good application if YOU build templates for it to use. YOU have to build the architecture of the site and define all the templates and then pass out permissions of text, image, page creation. I would get the 30 day trial and try it out before you go recommending it. Charles P. On 3/28/07, Gustavo Duenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok guys taking your advise about contribute, I'm going to recommend my client, those who wants to update their sites by themselves, to buy contribute. Do you know if contribute can help people to update sites php or coldfusion based? Regards Gustavo Duenas On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Dave Watts wrote: But Contribute I don't get it..since the dreamweaver can help me out to update sites remotely...isn't better than contribute? Dreamweaver and Contribute are complementary products. Dreamweaver is an HTML editor for people who know HTML, Contribute is an HTML editor for people who don't know HTML. Typically, in a Contribute environment, the people using Contribute are content authors, and the people using Dreamweaver design templates and control what content authors can do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
So, two things to take away from that. first, it can be dropped right in Flex. second, Flash CS3 will be able to use Flex tags. Not so fast. :) What confused me in the demo is that XML did not have MXML namespaces, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Seemed to be straight old XML. I think if you could use MXML, as well as have access (meaning both code and compiler) to the Flex component architecture which you would have to have in order to use Flex tags, they would definitely have advertised that. Flash CS3 will not be a flexbuilder AFAIK... Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Parcell Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:10 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced On the note of the Export Timeline feature. Did you notice in the announcement event when he showed it, that the code was tag based! So, two things to take away from that. first, it can be dropped right in Flex. second, Flash CS3 will be able to use Flex tags. Charles P. On 3/27/07, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right Ian. From Adobe Labs: The Flash Professional 9 ActionScript 3.0 Preview is the only planned preview release of the next version of the Flash authoring tool before the final version ships in 2007 The private beta would have included things such as the Export Timeline to Actionscript feature (can't wait to try that little puppy out). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: 27 March 2007 16:34 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Hi Rob, AFAICS, that's not the case. The preview that was on Labs just gave you AS3 support and a couple of other bits. The new CS3 version has a reworked interface, some extra drawing tools, extra Photoshop/Illustrator support etc. I believe the Labs version was just a quick hack in of AS3 to let people do some testing, not a proper Beta. Cheers, Ian On 3/27/07, AliasT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
True I was just making an assumption. Charles P. On 3/30/07, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, two things to take away from that. first, it can be dropped right in Flex. second, Flash CS3 will be able to use Flex tags. Not so fast. :) What confused me in the demo is that XML did not have MXML namespaces, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Seemed to be straight old XML. I think if you could use MXML, as well as have access (meaning both code and compiler) to the Flex component architecture which you would have to have in order to use Flex tags, they would definitely have advertised that. Flash CS3 will not be a flexbuilder AFAIK... Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Parcell Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:10 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced On the note of the Export Timeline feature. Did you notice in the announcement event when he showed it, that the code was tag based! So, two things to take away from that. first, it can be dropped right in Flex. second, Flash CS3 will be able to use Flex tags. Charles P. On 3/27/07, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right Ian. From Adobe Labs: The Flash Professional 9 ActionScript 3.0 Preview is the only planned preview release of the next version of the Flash authoring tool before the final version ships in 2007 The private beta would have included things such as the Export Timeline to Actionscript feature (can't wait to try that little puppy out). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: 27 March 2007 16:34 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Hi Rob, AFAICS, that's not the case. The preview that was on Labs just gave you AS3 support and a couple of other bits. The new CS3 version has a reworked interface, some extra drawing tools, extra Photoshop/Illustrator support etc. I believe the Labs version was just a quick hack in of AS3 to let people do some testing, not a proper Beta. Cheers, Ian On 3/27/07, AliasT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
//Not so fast. :) What confused me in the demo is that XML did not have MXML namespaces, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Seemed to be straight old XML. When you Copy Motion as ActionScript 3.0... it appears to be Flash CS3 converts timeline animation into an XML. Then you can perhaps apply this XML to any object on Stage using fl.motion.Animator Class? Also this means you can create complex animation using just XML. Very interesting... Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
yes did you think I didn't understand it was XML? I meant I was confused as to why it didn't have a namespace - I guess confused was not the right word. More like, surprised. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kawamoto Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:42 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced //Not so fast. :) What confused me in the demo is that XML did not have MXML namespaces, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Seemed to be straight old XML. When you Copy Motion as ActionScript 3.0... it appears to be Flash CS3 converts timeline animation into an XML. Then you can perhaps apply this XML to any object on Stage using fl.motion.Animator Class? Also this means you can create complex animation using just XML. Very interesting... Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
Yes I'm very (pleasantly?) surprised about this too. And all new QuickTime export - I'm not sure if I'll ever use this feature but nice anyway. Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk Merrill, Jason wrote: yes did you think I didn't understand it was XML? I meant I was confused as to why it didn't have a namespace - I guess confused was not the right word. More like, surprised. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
What I'm wondering is where does that XML code go? just into a window in the IDE so you can copy and paste and use in your code,or in a framescript, or does it write out an XML file? Anyone know? Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kawamoto Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:51 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Yes I'm very (pleasantly?) surprised about this too. And all new QuickTime export - I'm not sure if I'll ever use this feature but nice anyway. Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk Merrill, Jason wrote: yes did you think I didn't understand it was XML? I meant I was confused as to why it didn't have a namespace - I guess confused was not the right word. More like, surprised. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
What I'm wondering is where does that XML code go? just into a window in the IDE so you can copy and paste and use in your code,or in a framescript, or does it write out an XML file? Anyone know? If the screenshots of past presentations (available on a few blogs) are any indication: one can simply copy the timeline tweenings then paste it on the code itself (it pastes XML data). The XML data gets read by some class/method and transformed into executable tweenings (it just gets parsed, no secret here, after all, anyone can do this with simple XML data and any tweening class). So yes, the XML is on the code itself. Personally, I think it's a pretty bogus feature, one of those things that look nice on paper but when you stop to look at it it's far from useful except on extremely specific cases and still far from the magic that will save lives like many people tend to think it is. It's still better to either use direct code tweening where it fits, or use timeline tweening where it fits (animated characters and so on). But it's not out yet, so I don't know if I've missed something. Zeh ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Funny you metion Xara, they were where many of the great features started, then they were in Corel and sometime later in Freehand and Illustrator. Some very basic features like multiple pages never got to some apps :-) LOL am I the only person here that uses this: http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/?v=prot= ? Kevin Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would rather have it said, He lived usefully, than he died rich. Benjamin Franklin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think it's a pretty bogus feature, one of those things that look nice on paper but when you stop to look at it it's far from useful except on extremely specific cases and still far from the magic that will save lives like many people tend to think it is. It's still better to either use direct code tweening where it fits, or use timeline tweening where it fits (animated characters and so on). But it's not out yet, so I don't know if I've missed something. Don't be so sure. I believe there are many more flash designers and casual flash users than there are developers and those familiar enough with actionscript to code tweens. I'd venture that it's easily 10 fold or more on the design side. I worked for a while at an e-learning joint (Element-K) and was developing components for various aspects of some of the learning tools (written in flash, deployed with director at the time). I can't imagine having a load of designers trying to deal with a whole mess of FLA files with re-usable motion tweens. Just trying to get designers to adhere to consistent style guides for color or graphics was hard enough. :) Too many variables. Code is explicit, and as long as all a designer (or programmer short on time) has to do is copy/paste, the better it is. In the case of an XML motion library - it would've been a godsend at the time, and it's one of the things we recommended to MM shortly after v7 was released. cheers, jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
i only ever really liked freehands non-spazzy page layout options but apart from that i preferred illustrator On 29 Mar 2007, at 04:56, Pedro Taranto wrote: April 20th --Pedro Taranto Omar Fouad escreveu: but when the Flash CS3 Full version (not update) will be available?? On 3/28/07, Jason Cordial [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to make jokes about Fireworks, but after I studies up and got my Dreamweaver 8 cert, I realized what it was and what it was for, and now I'm really pretty glad it's still around. It'll never replace Photoshop, and that's not what it's there for. The beautiful integration with Dreamweaver and features designed largely for buttons and web graphics make it a whole other beast. Now, as to Freehand/Illustrator, I personally only used Illustrator, because that's what they have where I work. So long as there still is a product like that, I'm fine. I'm just kind of peeved that what I've been calling Flash 9 isn't called that anymore. I just don't like the sound of flash cs3... On 3/27/07, Paul Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Well, if you're generalizing me as one of those people, you're wrong. I've used both Illustrator and Freehand, and found Freehand to be vastly more buggy hard to use. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team LOL am I the only person here that uses this: http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/?v=prot= ? Paul ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Jason Cordial VIA 2 Lab Grunt - Waist deep beneath the borderline... Life is a euhemerism... http://bsu.edu/blogcaster2/jason/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
Do you know if contribute can help people to update sites php or coldfusion based? This is quite OT, so if you have any further questions along this line please send them to me off-list. You can use Contribute to manage parts of PHP or CF sites, but you have to be a bit careful about how you do things. In general, you'll want to separate your static and dynamic content as much as possible, and use Contribute to edit just the static content. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
I used to make jokes about Fireworks, but after I studies up and got my Dreamweaver 8 cert, I realized what it was and what it was for, and now I'm really pretty glad it's still around. It'll never replace Photoshop, and that's not what it's there for. The beautiful integration with Dreamweaver and features designed largely for buttons and web graphics make it a whole other beast. Now, as to Freehand/Illustrator, I personally only used Illustrator, because that's what they have where I work. So long as there still is a product like that, I'm fine. I'm just kind of peeved that what I've been calling Flash 9 isn't called that anymore. I just don't like the sound of flash cs3... On 3/27/07, Paul Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Well, if you're generalizing me as one of those people, you're wrong. I've used both Illustrator and Freehand, and found Freehand to be vastly more buggy hard to use. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team LOL am I the only person here that uses this: http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/?v=prot= ? Paul ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Jason Cordial VIA 2 Lab Grunt - Waist deep beneath the borderline... Life is a euhemerism... http://bsu.edu/blogcaster2/jason/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I dont think flash has public betas for Flash just private betas. On 3/27/07, Russell Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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but when the Flash CS3 Full version (not update) will be available?? On 3/28/07, Jason Cordial [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to make jokes about Fireworks, but after I studies up and got my Dreamweaver 8 cert, I realized what it was and what it was for, and now I'm really pretty glad it's still around. It'll never replace Photoshop, and that's not what it's there for. The beautiful integration with Dreamweaver and features designed largely for buttons and web graphics make it a whole other beast. Now, as to Freehand/Illustrator, I personally only used Illustrator, because that's what they have where I work. So long as there still is a product like that, I'm fine. I'm just kind of peeved that what I've been calling Flash 9 isn't called that anymore. I just don't like the sound of flash cs3... On 3/27/07, Paul Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Well, if you're generalizing me as one of those people, you're wrong. I've used both Illustrator and Freehand, and found Freehand to be vastly more buggy hard to use. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team LOL am I the only person here that uses this: http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/?v=prot= ? Paul ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Jason Cordial VIA 2 Lab Grunt - Waist deep beneath the borderline... Life is a euhemerism... http://bsu.edu/blogcaster2/jason/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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ok guys taking your advise about contribute, I'm going to recommend my client, those who wants to update their sites by themselves, to buy contribute. Do you know if contribute can help people to update sites php or coldfusion based? Regards Gustavo Duenas On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Dave Watts wrote: But Contribute I don't get it..since the dreamweaver can help me out to update sites remotely...isn't better than contribute? Dreamweaver and Contribute are complementary products. Dreamweaver is an HTML editor for people who know HTML, Contribute is an HTML editor for people who don't know HTML. Typically, in a Contribute environment, the people using Contribute are content authors, and the people using Dreamweaver design templates and control what content authors can do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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On Mar 28, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Omar Fouad wrote: but when the Flash CS3 Full version (not update) will be available?? End of April is when it ships I believe, the 20th rings a bell. The Master Collection isn't slated until June I think ... which is quite a while (ugh). - jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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April 20th --Pedro Taranto Omar Fouad escreveu: but when the Flash CS3 Full version (not update) will be available?? On 3/28/07, Jason Cordial [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to make jokes about Fireworks, but after I studies up and got my Dreamweaver 8 cert, I realized what it was and what it was for, and now I'm really pretty glad it's still around. It'll never replace Photoshop, and that's not what it's there for. The beautiful integration with Dreamweaver and features designed largely for buttons and web graphics make it a whole other beast. Now, as to Freehand/Illustrator, I personally only used Illustrator, because that's what they have where I work. So long as there still is a product like that, I'm fine. I'm just kind of peeved that what I've been calling Flash 9 isn't called that anymore. I just don't like the sound of flash cs3... On 3/27/07, Paul Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Well, if you're generalizing me as one of those people, you're wrong. I've used both Illustrator and Freehand, and found Freehand to be vastly more buggy hard to use. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team LOL am I the only person here that uses this: http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/?v=prot= ? Paul ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Jason Cordial VIA 2 Lab Grunt - Waist deep beneath the borderline... Life is a euhemerism... http://bsu.edu/blogcaster2/jason/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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well, I saw the suite for web, the premium and is great!!I hope I can get a quote for the full and two licenses as soon as they can. Regards gustavo Duenas On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:09 AM, Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
It's the next version of Flash - Flash 9 is Flash CS3. I'm sure there was a beta, but I guess it wasn't public like it is for Photoshop Cs3. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Sprague Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:13 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias On 28/03/07, Russell Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
Adobe Flash CS3 is Flash 9 Professional. ( there is no Flash 'basic' anymore) Its a complete version. Not just Flash 8 with AS3. Flash CS3 comes with quiet a lot of new features. AS3 being one of the most important( developer ) feature. I saw a comprehensive list of features here: http://forums.ultrashock.com/forums/showthread.php?s=8409f5626facf384bfbcffc778d176f7threadid=87843 So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Arul Prasad http://arulprasad.blogspot.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
Saw that. Now the hard decision is which of the CS3 Premium bundles to go for... Design w/ InDesign CS3 vs. Web w/ Fireworks and Contribute I haven't used Contribute and wonder how long Adobe will continue Fireworks. I still use Fireworks MX04 and Fireworks 8 often, but having InDesign is very appealing. Choices, choices, choices. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
My guess is that Flash CS3 is Flash 9... but that's literally an armchair guess. Anyone out know if that is true? -Original Message- From: Russell Sprague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:13 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
That's not really the Flash 9 beta - that's the Flash 9 Actionscript 3.0 Preview - something very different. The only similarity is the AS3 compiler. There was no public beta of the Flash 9 IDE. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alias(tm) Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias On 28/03/07, Russell Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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that was the Flash 9 Alpha; just Flash 8 IDE with AS3 support. The actual beta for the Flash 9 IDE has been privately running for a few months, and I guess it ended a few days ago :) James Alias™ wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias On 28/03/07, Russell Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Jup, next version. All player functionality is already available since Flex 2.0, so nothing new in that regard I Think. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: dinsdag 27 maart 2007 16:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced It's the next version of Flash - Flash 9 is Flash CS3. I'm sure there was a beta, but I guess it wasn't public like it is for Photoshop Cs3. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Sprague Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:13 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Hi Rob, AFAICS, that's not the case. The preview that was on Labs just gave you AS3 support and a couple of other bits. The new CS3 version has a reworked interface, some extra drawing tools, extra Photoshop/Illustrator support etc. I believe the Labs version was just a quick hack in of AS3 to let people do some testing, not a proper Beta. Cheers, Ian On 3/27/07, Alias™ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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That wasn't actually a beta. It was more like an 'alpha', basically just Flash 8 + AS3. I have a feeling (hope?) that CS3 is going to be quite different. On 3/27/07, Alias™ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias On 28/03/07, Russell Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ Ian Thomas wrote: For those who haven't seen it yet, Adobe's site has been updated with details about Flash CS3 (and the rest of the new Creative Suite). http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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And What about Freehand?? I think that loss Freehand, it's a big Mistake... Fireworks it's much better than Photoshop Ready for web design (I think) But... Illustrator is it much better than Freehand? What about multi document in Freehand? The new Ai CS 3 implements this feature? ... Regards. -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Hairy Dog Digital Enviado el: martes, 27 de marzo de 2007 17:03 Para: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Asunto: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Saw that. Now the hard decision is which of the CS3 Premium bundles to go for... Design w/ InDesign CS3 vs. Web w/ Fireworks and Contribute I haven't used Contribute and wonder how long Adobe will continue Fireworks. I still use Fireworks MX04 and Fireworks 8 often, but having InDesign is very appealing. Choices, choices, choices. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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It appear that flash CS3 is much more than flash 9 alpha. it has new drawing tools, as3 components and lots of other stuff. Hank On 3/27/07, Hairy Dog Digital [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Flash CS3 is Flash 9... but that's literally an armchair guess. Anyone out know if that is true? -Original Message- From: Russell Sprague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:13 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I'll go for the web, I already have indesign cs2, is not something that many of my clients are asking for a lot, but it helps.. Other way, the others are useful for me, anyone knows if there is a way to replace contribute 3 for indesign in the bundle? I don't get it what this for, since we have the dreamweaver, I use it in order to maintain and update a website remotely Regards Gustavo Duenas Saw that. Now the hard decision is which of the CS3 Premium bundles to go for... Design w/ InDesign CS3 vs. Web w/ Fireworks and Contribute I haven't used Contribute and wonder how long Adobe will continue Fireworks. I still use Fireworks MX04 and Fireworks 8 often, but having InDesign is very appealing. Choices, choices, choices. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
That's right Ian. From Adobe Labs: The Flash Professional 9 ActionScript 3.0 Preview is the only planned preview release of the next version of the Flash authoring tool before the final version ships in 2007 The private beta would have included things such as the Export Timeline to Actionscript feature (can't wait to try that little puppy out). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: 27 March 2007 16:34 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Hi Rob, AFAICS, that's not the case. The preview that was on Labs just gave you AS3 support and a couple of other bits. The new CS3 version has a reworked interface, some extra drawing tools, extra Photoshop/Illustrator support etc. I believe the Labs version was just a quick hack in of AS3 to let people do some testing, not a proper Beta. Cheers, Ian On 3/27/07, AliasT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I believe the Labs version was just a quick hack in of AS3 to let people do some testing, not a proper Beta. It was/is also actually so owners of Flash 8 could produce AS3 / Flash player 9 content with their legal copy of Flash 8. I think they mis-named it - it confused a lot of people calling it Flash 9 AS3 Preview - a lot of people blew right past the AS3 part and thought it was Flash 9 beta. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:34 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Hi Rob, AFAICS, that's not the case. The preview that was on Labs just gave you AS3 support and a couple of other bits. The new CS3 version has a reworked interface, some extra drawing tools, extra Photoshop/Illustrator support etc. I believe the Labs version was just a quick hack in of AS3 to let people do some testing, not a proper Beta. Cheers, Ian On 3/27/07, Alias(tm) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flash 9 beta has been available on adobe labs for quite some time now. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/ HTH Alias ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Freehand was terrible IMO. I'm happy they dropped it in favor of Illustrator. With the tight integration of Photoshop now, I bet Fireworks won't be around in CS4. I'm not sure why they kept it for CS3. Fireworks has some nice features, but many annoyances and Photoshop should just swallow the good features up. No sense in maintaining both IMO. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hari Seldon Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:04 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced And What about Freehand?? I think that loss Freehand, it's a big Mistake... Fireworks it's much better than Photoshop Ready for web design (I think) But... Illustrator is it much better than Freehand? What about multi document in Freehand? The new Ai CS 3 implements this feature? ... Regards. -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Hairy Dog Digital Enviado el: martes, 27 de marzo de 2007 17:03 Para: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Asunto: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Saw that. Now the hard decision is which of the CS3 Premium bundles to go for... Design w/ InDesign CS3 vs. Web w/ Fireworks and Contribute I haven't used Contribute and wonder how long Adobe will continue Fireworks. I still use Fireworks MX04 and Fireworks 8 often, but having InDesign is very appealing. Choices, choices, choices. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Apart from what the new Flash CS3 features are - it's interesting how much confusion there is over this very low key release. Is the new tactic of software releases now days about surprise attack? :) On 3/27/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appear that flash CS3 is much more than flash 9 alpha. it has new drawing tools, as3 components and lots of other stuff. Hank On 3/27/07, Hairy Dog Digital [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Flash CS3 is Flash 9... but that's literally an armchair guess. Anyone out know if that is true? -Original Message- From: Russell Sprague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:13 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced So is this the next version of Flash, or is it just Flash 8 with AS3 support? It would seem odd to me if they released Flash 9 with out ever having a beta. Russ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Funny you mention that. I was an avid fan of Freehand way back from version 1. (Does anybody else remember Aldus?) When Adobe bought out Aldus, I thought it was the demiss of Freehand. Ironically, over the years I've levitated towards Illustrator for vector-based work and rarely use Freehand anymore -- except to handle the occassional Freehand file. With regards to Photoshop and Fireworks, I use both of them heavily on a daily basis. They both have their strengths and place in our workflows. ...Rob -Original Message- From: Hari Seldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:04 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced And What about Freehand?? I think that loss Freehand, it's a big Mistake... Fireworks it's much better than Photoshop Ready for web design (I think) But... Illustrator is it much better than Freehand? What about multi document in Freehand? The new Ai CS 3 implements this feature? ... Regards. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Freehand was terrible IMO. I know quite a few people who feel exactly opposite of you. They absolutely hate Illustrator and mourn the loss of what they believe to be a clearly better product. My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Freehand was ahead of Illustrator in features and ease of use for quite some time and Freehand forced Illustrator to compete in what was once a monopoly (Corel Draw? Yeah, right!). I don't use either program so I have no opinion. :) Fireworks is different than Photoshop in some key ways. It's not going away anytime soon. At Adobe MAX in Las Vegas last year, Adobe was pretty clear that Fireworks was not only not going away, it was being given new features and tighter integration with other Adobe products. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I used FreeHand and illustrator... Freehand is Less Powerfull In drawing, but more Handy I expected from Illustrator similar features like multi Paper, and other small Things Regarding Flash I hope The Flash CS3 has A better Actionscript Editor than the one in prev versionsAny News About it??? On 3/27/07, Hairy Dog Digital [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you mention that. I was an avid fan of Freehand way back from version 1. (Does anybody else remember Aldus?) When Adobe bought out Aldus, I thought it was the demiss of Freehand. Ironically, over the years I've levitated towards Illustrator for vector-based work and rarely use Freehand anymore -- except to handle the occassional Freehand file. With regards to Photoshop and Fireworks, I use both of them heavily on a daily basis. They both have their strengths and place in our workflows. ...Rob -Original Message- From: Hari Seldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:04 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced And What about Freehand?? I think that loss Freehand, it's a big Mistake... Fireworks it's much better than Photoshop Ready for web design (I think) But... Illustrator is it much better than Freehand? What about multi document in Freehand? The new Ai CS 3 implements this feature? ... Regards. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Omar Fouad - Digital Emotions... Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins...but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope... and to endure... whatever comes. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Well, if you're generalizing me as one of those people, you're wrong. I've used both Illustrator and Freehand, and found Freehand to be vastly more buggy hard to use. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I agree with you, I have freehand and I have never used since I bought the sudio 8 and the mx2004 but I don't know whether is useless or not compare with AI, I just know that I never used it. But Contribute I don't get it..since the dreamweaver can help me out to update sites remotely...isn't better than contribute? This one is other I never used, Though I have with me the trial and I've tried. I'm still clueless about it. Regards gustavo Duenas On Mar 27, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Hairy Dog Digital wrote: Funny you mention that. I was an avid fan of Freehand way back from version 1. (Does anybody else remember Aldus?) When Adobe bought out Aldus, I thought it was the demiss of Freehand. Ironically, over the years I've levitated towards Illustrator for vector-based work and rarely use Freehand anymore -- except to handle the occassional Freehand file. With regards to Photoshop and Fireworks, I use both of them heavily on a daily basis. They both have their strengths and place in our workflows. ...Rob -Original Message- From: Hari Seldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:04 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced And What about Freehand?? I think that loss Freehand, it's a big Mistake... Fireworks it's much better than Photoshop Ready for web design (I think) But... Illustrator is it much better than Freehand? What about multi document in Freehand? The new Ai CS 3 implements this feature? ... Regards. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Illustrator had anti-aliased previews ages before Freehand which is why I switched. Freehand made artwork look clunky on screen which doesn't help the designer design IMHO. I do still miss the way some of the FH tools worked though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Sacks | BLITZ Sent: 27 March 2007 20:05 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced Freehand was terrible IMO. I know quite a few people who feel exactly opposite of you. They absolutely hate Illustrator and mourn the loss of what they believe to be a clearly better product. My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Freehand was ahead of Illustrator in features and ease of use for quite some time and Freehand forced Illustrator to compete in what was once a monopoly (Corel Draw? Yeah, right!). I don't use either program so I have no opinion. :) Fireworks is different than Photoshop in some key ways. It's not going away anytime soon. At Adobe MAX in Las Vegas last year, Adobe was pretty clear that Fireworks was not only not going away, it was being given new features and tighter integration with other Adobe products. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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But Contribute I don't get it..since the dreamweaver can help me out to update sites remotely...isn't better than contribute? Yes, but it's a very good tool for managing client-based updates to web sites. I often use/recommend it for sites I create where clients prefer to make content updates themselves, rather than pay for maintenance updates. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I was only speaking of people who I have discussed the issue with (hence, My experience is). It was not my intent to lump you in with them. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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But Contribute I don't get it..since the dreamweaver can help me out to update sites remotely...isn't better than contribute? Dreamweaver and Contribute are complementary products. Dreamweaver is an HTML editor for people who know HTML, Contribute is an HTML editor for people who don't know HTML. Typically, in a Contribute environment, the people using Contribute are content authors, and the people using Dreamweaver design templates and control what content authors can do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced
- Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Announced My experience is that most people who don't like Freehand never actually gave it a proper chance or were content because they already knew Illustrator and couldn't motivate to learn something new that does the same thing. Well, if you're generalizing me as one of those people, you're wrong. I've used both Illustrator and Freehand, and found Freehand to be vastly more buggy hard to use. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team LOL am I the only person here that uses this: http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/?v=prot= ? Paul ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
