Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Also hard to find can be internal compiler errors.
Last week a few hours before the deadline, both FlexBuilder
and FlashDevelop where spitting internal / java errors.
No idea where to look at. No file / line numbers. You start
wondering... is it the operating system? a virus? The compiler
was damaged? What did I do wrong?
If it wasn't for SVN, finding this:
switch(someValidVar) {
}
(without case:) in a 5 line program could have taken a long time.
Don't do it :)
Kerry Thompson wrote:
I finally tracked it down to an unlikely source--the programmer who worked
on the project before me was doing a Boolean comparison on a value that
could sometimes be void. Void is neither true nor false, so it was setting
off a chain reaction, culminating in a crash somewhere down the line.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
I have that happen to me too ALL the time, once it starts on a project it's very very hard to track down. Usually related to garbage collection it only crashes in the IDE right? I wish i had better advice, but one thing you can do is when you test your movie, test using the debugger (control debug movie (off my head) ) instead... that way when it crashes it doesn't crash the whole flash IDE, just the debugger projector.. Ashim D'Silva wrote: Hey, I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I can't seem to tie it to any action or recreate it, but it happens often enough to be a large problem. I would normally think there isn't much I can do with AS to actually crash the player, but it seems I have... Please help! Cheers, Ashim -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
I believe Flash Cs3 is not ready for serious projects. Nowadays I am really having huge problems. It started with loading an external swf, it begin to not to load the external swf all the times. While I am working on it, i noticed that it is a bug after over 100 trys. And then I am having problems casting objects. I can not cast my custom class instance to its custom class. Flash gives me stupid errors. Below is my bug report to Adobe. You can register and vote so that it can be fixed http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/ASC-3436 My advice is, like the big companies, game writers, DO NOT USER CS3 for your commercial projects. There are really big problems that need to be solved, but the worst is adobe engineers are not aware of that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mario gonzalez Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:42 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes I have that happen to me too ALL the time, once it starts on a project it's very very hard to track down. Usually related to garbage collection it only crashes in the IDE right? I wish i had better advice, but one thing you can do is when you test your movie, test using the debugger (control debug movie (off my head) ) instead... that way when it crashes it doesn't crash the whole flash IDE, just the debugger projector.. Ashim D'Silva wrote: Hey, I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I can't seem to tie it to any action or recreate it, but it happens often enough to be a large problem. I would normally think there isn't much I can do with AS to actually crash the player, but it seems I have... Please help! Cheers, Ashim -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
I noticed Flash crashes very quickly when memory management is not done right. I am NOT implying that you did something wrong. I am just adding my observations to the thread. Could it be memory management ? Cedric I believe Flash Cs3 is not ready for serious projects. Nowadays I am really having huge problems. It started with loading an external swf, it begin to not to load the external swf all the times. While I am working on it, i noticed that it is a bug after over 100 trys. And then I am having problems casting objects. I can not cast my custom class instance to its custom class. Flash gives me stupid errors. Below is my bug report to Adobe. You can register and vote so that it can be fixed http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/ASC-3436 My advice is, like the big companies, game writers, DO NOT USER CS3 for your commercial projects. There are really big problems that need to be solved, but the worst is adobe engineers are not aware of that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mario gonzalez Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:42 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes I have that happen to me too ALL the time, once it starts on a project it's very very hard to track down. Usually related to garbage collection it only crashes in the IDE right? I wish i had better advice, but one thing you can do is when you test your movie, test using the debugger (control debug movie (off my head) ) instead... that way when it crashes it doesn't crash the whole flash IDE, just the debugger projector.. Ashim D'Silva wrote: Hey, I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I can't seem to tie it to any action or recreate it, but it happens often enough to be a large problem. I would normally think there isn't much I can do with AS to actually crash the player, but it seems I have... Please help! Cheers, Ashim -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Memory management not done right = garbage collector piling up I noticed Flash crashes very quickly when memory management is not done right. I am NOT implying that you did something wrong. I am just adding my observations to the thread. Could it be memory management ? Cedric I believe Flash Cs3 is not ready for serious projects. Nowadays I am really having huge problems. It started with loading an external swf, it begin to not to load the external swf all the times. While I am working on it, i noticed that it is a bug after over 100 trys. And then I am having problems casting objects. I can not cast my custom class instance to its custom class. Flash gives me stupid errors. Below is my bug report to Adobe. You can register and vote so that it can be fixed http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/ASC-3436 My advice is, like the big companies, game writers, DO NOT USER CS3 for your commercial projects. There are really big problems that need to be solved, but the worst is adobe engineers are not aware of that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mario gonzalez Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:42 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes I have that happen to me too ALL the time, once it starts on a project it's very very hard to track down. Usually related to garbage collection it only crashes in the IDE right? I wish i had better advice, but one thing you can do is when you test your movie, test using the debugger (control debug movie (off my head) ) instead... that way when it crashes it doesn't crash the whole flash IDE, just the debugger projector.. Ashim D'Silva wrote: Hey, I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I can't seem to tie it to any action or recreate it, but it happens often enough to be a large problem. I would normally think there isn't much I can do with AS to actually crash the player, but it seems I have... Please help! Cheers, Ashim -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Oh, its very easily an issue with memory management because regrettably that's one of the parts of AS3 I continue to have trouble with. I try hard to pick up after myself (listeners, bitmapdata, cancel loaders, close connections), and run ActiveGraph to get an estimate. But how do you track it down once it's started! I with I could switch to Flash Develop, but I'm on Mac, and I haven't found an alternate IDE yet. Any ideas there maybe? By the way, this is also killing my browser sometimes. So I'm in quite a bit of trouble. The last time I had a similar problem, it was to do with Flash Player. Apparently masking a text field and then moving it under the mask (scrolling) is bad. So you stick it in a container and then mask and move that! I was hoping there was a limited amount of things that can actually crash Flash, but then again... 2008/6/23 Cedric Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Memory management not done right = garbage collector piling up I noticed Flash crashes very quickly when memory management is not done right. I am NOT implying that you did something wrong. I am just adding my observations to the thread. Could it be memory management ? Cedric I believe Flash Cs3 is not ready for serious projects. Nowadays I am really having huge problems. It started with loading an external swf, it begin to not to load the external swf all the times. While I am working on it, i noticed that it is a bug after over 100 trys. And then I am having problems casting objects. I can not cast my custom class instance to its custom class. Flash gives me stupid errors. Below is my bug report to Adobe. You can register and vote so that it can be fixed http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/ASC-3436 My advice is, like the big companies, game writers, DO NOT USER CS3 for your commercial projects. There are really big problems that need to be solved, but the worst is adobe engineers are not aware of that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mario gonzalez Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:42 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes I have that happen to me too ALL the time, once it starts on a project it's very very hard to track down. Usually related to garbage collection it only crashes in the IDE right? I wish i had better advice, but one thing you can do is when you test your movie, test using the debugger (control debug movie (off my head) ) instead... that way when it crashes it doesn't crash the whole flash IDE, just the debugger projector.. Ashim D'Silva wrote: Hey, I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I can't seem to tie it to any action or recreate it, but it happens often enough to be a large problem. I would normally think there isn't much I can do with AS to actually crash the player, but it seems I have... Please help! Cheers, Ashim -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Ashim D'Silva wrote: I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I've had similar problems, and it has always turned out to be an infinite loop, memory management, a null value, or something of the like. The first thing to do is figure out _where_ it is crashing, then figure out _why_ Some people prefer to use trace() statements. Personally, if it's not a time-critical issue, I use the debugger. Since I started using Flash (F4), I have found that the issue is inevitably in my coding. I'm not initializing a variable; I'm using a class wrong; or I just plain had faulty logic. It's not always easy, but it is seldom Flash's fault, though I often wish I could blame the tool. Track your problem down to a specific code segment. If it's failing for a reason you don't understand, post that code, with a description of the problem, and we'll be glad to help. I'm afraid that you have only given a very vague complaint, so we can only give vague answers at this point. Don't give up, though. Flash is a great tool--not perfect, but pretty darn good. It's biggest problem is that it does what you tell it to, not what you want it to. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Thanks for the response Kerry. Makes me appreciate even more the work that gets done in Flash. And although blaming the tool is easy enough I'm pretty sure its in my code somewhere. However, all the problems you mentioned I encounter often enough to spot. Plus Flash is helpful enough to tell you where these are. I use traces profusely in troublesome area's as well. But I'm just not being able to recreate my problem, which is ofcourse frustrating. So I was hoping I could count on some log somewhere so I know what was called; which class it was called from; anything to pin it close to the problem spot. I've used debugger (local and remote) but ofcourse, when it crashes, it crashes, and there's no bread crumb trail... If I could figure out what the problem was, there'd be the possibility of diagnosis, till then I guess its blind testing and lots of comment tags. Cheers again! Ash 2008/6/23 Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ashim D'Silva wrote: I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I've had similar problems, and it has always turned out to be an infinite loop, memory management, a null value, or something of the like. The first thing to do is figure out _where_ it is crashing, then figure out _why_ Some people prefer to use trace() statements. Personally, if it's not a time-critical issue, I use the debugger. Since I started using Flash (F4), I have found that the issue is inevitably in my coding. I'm not initializing a variable; I'm using a class wrong; or I just plain had faulty logic. It's not always easy, but it is seldom Flash's fault, though I often wish I could blame the tool. Track your problem down to a specific code segment. If it's failing for a reason you don't understand, post that code, with a description of the problem, and we'll be glad to help. I'm afraid that you have only given a very vague complaint, so we can only give vague answers at this point. Don't give up, though. Flash is a great tool--not perfect, but pretty darn good. It's biggest problem is that it does what you tell it to, not what you want it to. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Is there a tutorial out there somewhere on how to use the debugger? I am fairly new to Flash and just use trace statements to find my problems... but would like to learn more about the debugger. gregb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry Thompson Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:05 AM To: 'Flash Coders List' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes Ashim D'Silva wrote: I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I've had similar problems, and it has always turned out to be an infinite loop, memory management, a null value, or something of the like. The first thing to do is figure out _where_ it is crashing, then figure out _why_ Some people prefer to use trace() statements. Personally, if it's not a time-critical issue, I use the debugger. Since I started using Flash (F4), I have found that the issue is inevitably in my coding. I'm not initializing a variable; I'm using a class wrong; or I just plain had faulty logic. It's not always easy, but it is seldom Flash's fault, though I often wish I could blame the tool. Track your problem down to a specific code segment. If it's failing for a reason you don't understand, post that code, with a description of the problem, and we'll be glad to help. I'm afraid that you have only given a very vague complaint, so we can only give vague answers at this point. Don't give up, though. Flash is a great tool--not perfect, but pretty darn good. It's biggest problem is that it does what you tell it to, not what you want it to. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Yes, those sporadic bugs can be the dickens to find and fix, usually because the code that's causing the problems is far removed from the place where it actually crashes. I remember spending a couple of days once on a crash bug. I'd find a problem, only to find that it was being caused by something earlier. I'd track that down, and find that it caused by something even earlier. I had to write a flow chart on a white board to keep track of everything that was going on. I finally tracked it down to an unlikely source--the programmer who worked on the project before me was doing a Boolean comparison on a value that could sometimes be void. Void is neither true nor false, so it was setting off a chain reaction, culminating in a crash somewhere down the line. Those are the hardest, but can be the most satisfying. I convinced myself about 10 times during the course of tracking down that bug that it was the VM's fault, then I'd notice something, and I'd be off and running, chasing that bug, slowly spiraling ever close to the true culprit. Good luck! Cordially, Kerry Thompson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashim D'Silva Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes Thanks for the response Kerry. Makes me appreciate even more the work that gets done in Flash. And although blaming the tool is easy enough I'm pretty sure its in my code somewhere. However, all the problems you mentioned I encounter often enough to spot. Plus Flash is helpful enough to tell you where these are. I use traces profusely in troublesome area's as well. But I'm just not being able to recreate my problem, which is ofcourse frustrating. So I was hoping I could count on some log somewhere so I know what was called; which class it was called from; anything to pin it close to the problem spot. I've used debugger (local and remote) but ofcourse, when it crashes, it crashes, and there's no bread crumb trail... If I could figure out what the problem was, there'd be the possibility of diagnosis, till then I guess its blind testing and lots of comment tags. Cheers again! Ash 2008/6/23 Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ashim D'Silva wrote: I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I've had similar problems, and it has always turned out to be an infinite loop, memory management, a null value, or something of the like. The first thing to do is figure out _where_ it is crashing, then figure out _why_ Some people prefer to use trace() statements. Personally, if it's not a time-critical issue, I use the debugger. Since I started using Flash (F4), I have found that the issue is inevitably in my coding. I'm not initializing a variable; I'm using a class wrong; or I just plain had faulty logic. It's not always easy, but it is seldom Flash's fault, though I often wish I could blame the tool. Track your problem down to a specific code segment. If it's failing for a reason you don't understand, post that code, with a description of the problem, and we'll be glad to help. I'm afraid that you have only given a very vague complaint, so we can only give vague answers at this point. Don't give up, though. Flash is a great tool--not perfect, but pretty darn good. It's biggest problem is that it does what you tell it to, not what you want it to. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes
Aha! That seems highly likely. I shall continue with renewed vigour. Cheers. 2008/6/24 Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, those sporadic bugs can be the dickens to find and fix, usually because the code that's causing the problems is far removed from the place where it actually crashes. I remember spending a couple of days once on a crash bug. I'd find a problem, only to find that it was being caused by something earlier. I'd track that down, and find that it caused by something even earlier. I had to write a flow chart on a white board to keep track of everything that was going on. I finally tracked it down to an unlikely source--the programmer who worked on the project before me was doing a Boolean comparison on a value that could sometimes be void. Void is neither true nor false, so it was setting off a chain reaction, culminating in a crash somewhere down the line. Those are the hardest, but can be the most satisfying. I convinced myself about 10 times during the course of tracking down that bug that it was the VM's fault, then I'd notice something, and I'd be off and running, chasing that bug, slowly spiraling ever close to the true culprit. Good luck! Cordially, Kerry Thompson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashim D'Silva Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player crashes Thanks for the response Kerry. Makes me appreciate even more the work that gets done in Flash. And although blaming the tool is easy enough I'm pretty sure its in my code somewhere. However, all the problems you mentioned I encounter often enough to spot. Plus Flash is helpful enough to tell you where these are. I use traces profusely in troublesome area's as well. But I'm just not being able to recreate my problem, which is ofcourse frustrating. So I was hoping I could count on some log somewhere so I know what was called; which class it was called from; anything to pin it close to the problem spot. I've used debugger (local and remote) but ofcourse, when it crashes, it crashes, and there's no bread crumb trail... If I could figure out what the problem was, there'd be the possibility of diagnosis, till then I guess its blind testing and lots of comment tags. Cheers again! Ash 2008/6/23 Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ashim D'Silva wrote: I'm using the Flash IDE CS3 to produce a project in AS3, and Flash is continually crashing erratically. Is there a way for me to figure out what's causing it? I've had similar problems, and it has always turned out to be an infinite loop, memory management, a null value, or something of the like. The first thing to do is figure out _where_ it is crashing, then figure out _why_ Some people prefer to use trace() statements. Personally, if it's not a time-critical issue, I use the debugger. Since I started using Flash (F4), I have found that the issue is inevitably in my coding. I'm not initializing a variable; I'm using a class wrong; or I just plain had faulty logic. It's not always easy, but it is seldom Flash's fault, though I often wish I could blame the tool. Track your problem down to a specific code segment. If it's failing for a reason you don't understand, post that code, with a description of the problem, and we'll be glad to help. I'm afraid that you have only given a very vague complaint, so we can only give vague answers at this point. Don't give up, though. Flash is a great tool--not perfect, but pretty darn good. It's biggest problem is that it does what you tell it to, not what you want it to. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Random Lines 3D My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
