Re: [flexcoders] Re: Out of curiosity, what would Adobe lose if Flash were open sourced?
On Tuesday 04 May 2010 00:48:25 you wrote: With the swf format being documented, and available, in theory there could be plenty of different implementation of the Flash Player. And there are, such as Gash. I believe the open source community has issue with the license the spec. is released under, like if you read it you agree not to write a Player or something. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to administratively restore 24/7 B2C innovative visionary applications as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Out of curiosity, what would Adobe lose if Flash were open sourced?
Tom, Gash is not it's name... It's called GNash (GNU + Flash), gash is something else... ;)
[flexcoders] thunderbolt
Hi all anyone use thunderbolt for debuging? can tell me detail how to use it? thanks
Re: [flexcoders] RE: Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
I've done the html, css, js thing too - started developing for the web in 1994, so I've been around the block once or twice too. If you know everything about web technologies, past, present and future perhaps you should be heading up Apple. :-) And before you issue silly challenges to people you should try reading what they say in their posts, and try replying to what they are saying not what you *imagine* they're saying... Guy On 04/05/2010, at 11:40 AM, dorkie dork from dorktown wrote: Guy, There is no way in hell I'm going to write an application in HTML5 and Javascript. With Flash I can compile my code to a single swf. I've done the HTML, JS, CSS thing dude. I've done both and there is no benefit to letting everyone in the world see my code (no exaggerating here) or creating prototype libraries in Javascript. Also, with Flash Builder I have nice debugging tools, a nice framework and complimentary design and animation tools that integrate with it. You can have your HTML5. And any day of the week I'll accept a challenge to create an application. You use HTML5 and I'll use Flex. ;) Cheers On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Guy Morton g...@alchemy.com.au wrote: Adobe is a ruthless competitor too; let's not forget that they shafted SVG as soon as they bought Flash. Personally, I find that harder to forgive, because it was about entrenching a commercial advantage based on proprietary technology owned by Adobe and blowing off a growing standard that competed with it. Apple is doing the reverse - blowing off a proprietary tech in favour of a growing standard. Ultimately that's much better for the web ecosystem. And honestly, all the whining about this on this list is pathetically self-serving. We all have to adapt, all the time. That's what keeps this business interesting. I'll continue to develop in Flex for many years to come, I'm sure, but I'm also getting across what I can do without it and using the growing capabilities of modern web browsers. We all have the personal choice whether to adapt or not. Develop Flash for Android if you think Steve's a jerk. I'm sure no-one at Apple will care, for the moment at least. If Android becomes bigger than iPhone *because of Flash support*, then they might re-think. :-) Guy On 03/05/2010, at 11:17 PM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: Let’s not get carried away here – no way is Apple going to stop supporting Flash on the Mac. That’s one of those “sky is falling’ rumors that always start up when something like this happens. The recent events are concerning as they potentially affect our mutual livelihoods, but really, there’s so much business out there it doesn’t matter. Personally, I think Jobs comes off has being biased and self-serving in his letter and clearly his ‘facts’ are skewed or outright wrong. He’s like, “Adobe thinks they’re going to play in my sandbox? Think again”. He’s a ruthless competitor, you give him that, but he’s also a jerk, if we hadn’t figured that out already. Jobs is really digging his status as an opinion leader in the industry but when he starts to outright attack another company’s business model, work ethic and so forth, he’s stepped over the line, and typically such tactics backfire. Jeff From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark A. DeMichele Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs Everybody is talking about “learning” another language. That’s the easy part. It’s porting an entire application that has several 100,000 lines of code. That’s that hard part. Someone mentioned losing flash support on all Macs. Is that true? I hope not. I have over a million users using my flash app and about 25% of them have macs. That would be bad.
[flexcoders] Mediators, Presentation Models and Flex 4 Components
Hi, with the new Flex 4 components architecture which actually separates logic from design with the Skin paradigm, what is the best way to implement Mediators/Presentation Models that best uses the capabilities of this architecture (partAdded, partRemoved, getCurrentSkinState etc.). For now I'm simply using the AS class of a component as a mediator and the skin as a view. How do you handle this? Haykel Ben Jemia Allmas Web RIA Development http://www.allmas-tn.com
Re: [flexcoders] thunderbolt
I have used it a while ago, basically it is the same as logger, but you need to define a different debug target. Google a little bit I was able to make it run in under an hour, don't remember by heart what needs to be done but is really trivial. C From: cholid cholid cholid_rid...@yahoo.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 12:01:44 PM Subject: [flexcoders] thunderbolt Hi all anyone use thunderbolt for debuging? can tell me detail how to use it? thanks
[flexcoders] Security vulnerabilities of making RPC from HTTP-client to HTTPS-background
Hi, we have a Flex-application that runs in HTTP-domain and makes RPC-calls to Tomcat based on HTTPS. That means our Flex-client is not secured by SSL but Java services are. We thought that this would be enough because the Flex client itself does not contain any sensitive data (and, by our logic, the AMF would be secured by securing the Java services). However, the crossdomain policy file specification says that this is not a good way to do things, because we risk the man-in-the-middle attack. (Spec can be found here: http://learn.adobe.com/wiki/download/attachments/64389123/CrossDomain_PolicyFile_Specification.pdf?version=1) To me, this rises a question: is the Flex-application sending the data unencrypted to the server nevertheless the SSL we have on the server? If this is the case, in which point does the encryption take place? And moreover, how vulnerable this kind of solution is? Is it the same not to use HTTPS at all? If you have any insight, please comment. Cheers, Jukka
Re: [flexcoders] RE: Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
On 04/05/2010, at 9:39 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote: That's again a newspaper trick, it may from the first sight seem like you are making a point, however... You say that HTML5 is a good perspective, I say it's a step back, you may not agree, but your personal belief doesn't make it a fact, it is still a hypothesis, not an axiom. It's neither. It's an opinion. And a step back from what? Flash? Who's saying HTML5 is more advanced or capable than Flash? I really don't think you've read (or understood) my post at all. Did you really have to do anything in SVG? I mean not using the format, but, say, making an editor for it - I think not. Because if you would, you'd know how weirdly it is designed... well, it's not a good technology, no matter it is free... Ok, you should explain where you're coming from here, because again, it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. SVG is supported by every modern browser on the planet - even IE9. I wouldn't expect that level of support if the format were flawed. Perhaps you should communicate your understanding of the problems to the SVG working group... Besides, SWF is absolutely equally open if speaking about graphics. That is total nonsense. SWF is not a proprietary format, Yes. It. Is. there are many commercial and non-commercial tools (Maya, CorelXara, Swish, Sothik, HaXe, SWFTools and so on) capable of generating / editing it. Red herrings... You don't need any license of any kind to make your own SWF editor. Ok, and...? What is proprietary is the AS3 extension to the ECMAScript language + several video codecs + MP3 (the later, of course not in exclusive ownership of Adobe). The whole format is proprietary. Published != Open. And what you are saying is, technically - whatever comes or whatever pays more, regardless of consequences, you are on that wagon... You have completely missed the whole point of just about everything I've said to date. well, I cannot disagree to this being a probably the best way to go about almost everything in life, web technology being a marginal case. :) And now I have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry. Guy
[flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
This is actually wrong. the SWF format is open and documented for all to use ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ ). Are you aware of any restrictions placed upon use of the specification that do not make it open? Adobe's Flash Player, on the other hand, is very proprietary. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote: On 04/05/2010, at 9:39 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote: SWF is not a proprietary format, Yes. It. Is.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
And this is the point the moderators should step in to shut this thread down. We've brought ourselves to the no it isn't, yes it is arguing point guys. Can we please let this thread die with a little dignity, and we can all jump in on the next one, unless someone wants to make a blog post where we can continue this in the comments ;) Gk.
[flexcoders] Re: Calling mxmlc/fcsh from PHP script
Can somebody please reply on this, i got few replies yesterday, but not relevant with the question i asked. Wanted to run compiler mxmlc/fcsh using php to generate swf file. Thanks On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:00 PM, kanu kukreja kanukukr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My question is whether or not Flex's mxmlc can be called from within a PHP script. Here is the background: I have been created a simple process that creates a simple quiz/tutorial by converting a text file into a .as file and compiling to a .swf file using the mxmlc compiler. This works well from the command line, but I wanted to make the process easier by creating a web-interface to do this. I have not been able to get the mxmlc compiler to work. After searching on the Web and on this site, I believe that using fcsh (instead of mxmlc) may be the way to go. Using fcsh would certainly compile the .mxml file faster (after the first run), and I think that fcsh can be launched as a service that might be able to be called from PHP. On the other hand, maybe I am approaching this the wrong way. Would it be better to write a Flex application that calls fcsh/mxmlc and avoid using PHP? Thanks Kanu kukrejA
Re: [flexcoders] Mediators, Presentation Models and Flex 4 Components
Hi, On 04/05/2010, Haykel BEN JEMIA hayke...@gmail.com wrote: with the new Flex 4 components architecture which actually separates logic from design with the Skin paradigm, what is the best way to implement Mediators/Presentation Models that best uses the capabilities of this architecture (partAdded, partRemoved, getCurrentSkinState etc.). The new Flex 4 skin architecture allows a clean enough separation of layout and behavior concerns to be able to do without other options which aim at the same kind abstraction but cannot achieve the same degree of integration with the framework. For now I'm simply using the AS class of a component as a mediator and the skin as a view. I would say this is perfectly complete, I wouldn't go looking for any more levels of indirection. Cheers, Gabriel -- gabriel montagné láscaris comneno http://rojored.com +44 (0) 7500 709 209
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Calling mxmlc/fcsh from PHP script
There was part of FDS (before it became LCDS) that had a web-compiler. You called for the swf and if it hadn't been generated, it compiled it before delivering it, later requests just used the compiled one). I don't know if it made its way into LCDS, but it's worth a look! Gk.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Calling mxmlc/fcsh from PHP script
Don't want to go in to FDS or LCDS, need to generate swf file using FLex SDK and PHP on run time. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Gregor Kiddie gregor.kid...@channeladvisor.com wrote: There was part of FDS (before it became LCDS) that had a web-compiler. You called for the swf and if it hadn’t been generated, it compiled it before delivering it, later requests just used the compiled one). I don’t know if it made its way into LCDS, but it’s worth a look! Gk.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Calling mxmlc/fcsh from PHP script
Take a look at Granite Data Services. It contains a swf compiler On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM, kanu kukreja kanukukr...@gmail.com wrote: Don't want to go in to FDS or LCDS, need to generate swf file using FLex SDK and PHP on run time. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Gregor Kiddie gregor.kid...@channeladvisor.com wrote: There was part of FDS (before it became LCDS) that had a web-compiler. You called for the swf and if it hadn’t been generated, it compiled it before delivering it, later requests just used the compiled one). I don’t know if it made its way into LCDS, but it’s worth a look! Gk. -- /** * Pedro Sena * Systems Architect * Sun Certified Java Programmer * Sun Certified Web Component Developer */
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Calling mxmlc/fcsh from PHP script
Please can you put flexcoders@yahoogroups.com in the TO field of your emails. If you are cross-posting then please stop it. Apart from that particular point of etiquette, you are messing up my mail filters. Peter On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:45 PM, kanu kukreja kanukukr...@gmail.com wrote: Can somebody please reply on this, i got few replies yesterday, but not relevant with the question i asked. Wanted to run compiler mxmlc/fcsh using php to generate swf file. Thanks On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:00 PM, kanu kukreja kanukukr...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, My question is whether or not Flex's mxmlc can be called from within a PHP script. Here is the background: I have been created a simple process that creates a simple quiz/tutorial by converting a text file into a .as file and compiling to a .swf file using the mxmlc compiler. This works well from the command line, but I wanted to make the process easier by creating a web-interface to do this. I have not been able to get the mxmlc compiler to work. After searching on the Web and on this site, I believe that using fcsh (instead of mxmlc) may be the way to go. Using fcsh would certainly compile the .mxml file faster (after the first run), and I think that fcsh can be launched as a service that might be able to be called from PHP. On the other hand, maybe I am approaching this the wrong way. Would it be better to write a Flex application that calls fcsh/mxmlc and avoid using PHP? Thanks Kanu kukrejA
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
It's PUBLISHED. That's not the same as OPEN. Open formats, like SVG, are generally developed by a standards organisation, with input from any interested parties. Open formats, by definition, can be used without restriction by anyone. Proprietary formats, like Flash, are defined and controlled by private organisations, like Adobe. They may publish their format spec to encourage use of it, but they don't hand over control of it to a standards organisation. So Flash is a published, but proprietary, format. HTML and SVG, are open formats. Guy On 04/05/2010, at 11:31 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: This is actually wrong. the SWF format is open and documented for all to use ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ ). Are you aware of any restrictions placed upon use of the specification that do not make it open? Adobe's Flash Player, on the other hand, is very proprietary. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote: On 04/05/2010, at 9:39 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote: SWF is not a proprietary format, Yes. It. Is.
[flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
What restrictions are placed upon the SWF format? None so far as I know. You can take the spec and do whatever you want with it; including creating alternate IDEs and alternate players. You might be able to argue that it is not a standard in the same way that HTML or SVG is. But, that doesn't make it non-open. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote: It's PUBLISHED. That's not the same as OPEN. Open formats, like SVG, are generally developed by a standards organisation, with input from any interested parties. Open formats, by definition, can be used without restriction by anyone. Proprietary formats, like Flash, are defined and controlled by private organisations, like Adobe. They may publish their format spec to encourage use of it, but they don't hand over control of it to a standards organisation. So Flash is a published, but proprietary, format. HTML and SVG, are open formats. Guy On 04/05/2010, at 11:31 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: This is actually wrong. the SWF format is open and documented for all to use ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ ). Are you aware of any restrictions placed upon use of the specification that do not make it open? Adobe's Flash Player, on the other hand, is very proprietary. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton guy@ wrote: On 04/05/2010, at 9:39 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote: SWF is not a proprietary format, Yes. It. Is.
[flexcoders] Doug Mccune's FOAM Physics example on Flex 4/Air 2
I tried to open the FOAM physics form example (built for Flex 3) in Flex 4/Air 2
http://dougmccune.com/blog/2008/02/26/examples-from-my-360flex-session-using-open-source-community-projects/
And get the compiler errors below. I've posted a comment on Doug's blog but
thought I'd also bounce it off this list. Any ideas?
compiler error is on this line in the setGravity function
_gravityForce = new Gravity( new Vector(xValue, yValue) );
public function setGravity(yValue:Number=0, xValue:Number=0):void {
if(_gravityForce) {
foam.removeGlobalForceGenerator(_gravityForce);
}
else {
foam.simulate();
}
_gravityForce = new Gravity( new Vector(xValue, yValue) );
foam.addGlobalForceGenerator(_gravityForce);
}
here are the errors:
1067: Implicit coercion of a value of type __AS3__.vec:Vector to an unrelated
type org.generalrelativity.foam.math:Vector. PhysicsContainer.as
1137: Incorrect number of arguments. Expected no more than 0.
PhysicsContainer.as
I'm using Flash Builder 4 with Flex 4 SDK w/ Air 2 SDK.
Looks like an SDK compatibility issue
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Don
[flexcoders] Re: Doug Mccune's FOAM Physics example on Flex 4/Air 2
I downloaded the latest FOAM version
http://code.google.com/p/foam-as3/
and it looks like the same Vector-related errors also occurs in all their
examples.
Looks like FOAM needs to be updated to support Flex 4/Air 2. Maybe the Vector
name used in FOAM conflicts with a new Vector class in Flex 4 or something???
Maybe there is a quick fix to solve this one Vector error?
Don
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, fusionpage fusionp...@... wrote:
I tried to open the FOAM physics form example (built for Flex 3) in Flex
4/Air 2
http://dougmccune.com/blog/2008/02/26/examples-from-my-360flex-session-using-open-source-community-projects/
And get the compiler errors below. I've posted a comment on Doug's blog but
thought I'd also bounce it off this list. Any ideas?
compiler error is on this line in the setGravity function
_gravityForce = new Gravity( new Vector(xValue, yValue) );
public function setGravity(yValue:Number=0, xValue:Number=0):void {
if(_gravityForce) {
foam.removeGlobalForceGenerator(_gravityForce);
}
else {
foam.simulate();
}
_gravityForce = new Gravity( new Vector(xValue, yValue) );
foam.addGlobalForceGenerator(_gravityForce);
}
here are the errors:
1067: Implicit coercion of a value of type __AS3__.vec:Vector to an unrelated
type org.generalrelativity.foam.math:Vector. PhysicsContainer.as
1137: Incorrect number of arguments. Expected no more than 0.
PhysicsContainer.as
I'm using Flash Builder 4 with Flex 4 SDK w/ Air 2 SDK.
Looks like an SDK compatibility issue
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Don
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
OK, I will say no more. We are really not reaching a decision here and not listening to each other, so, there's no point to continue.
Re: [flexcoders] Security vulnerabilities of making RPC from HTTP-client to HTTPS-background
Sorry, this is not a good answer, because I don't know it and cannot check at the moment. But it is easy to check if you have some traffic analyzer tool. AMF is relatively easy to read, for instance, strings are not compressed or modified in any other way. So, say and you send a test AMF message containing hello world, and in the data sent you see hello world again, it will mean it is not encrypted. :)
[flexcoders] Re: how to handle remote requests the never return or get lost?
What is wrong with the requestTimeout property of a remoteobject? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Baz li...@... wrote: You confirmed my suspicions. I believe that very few developers employ this, but it seems quite important as requests can get lost relatively often. Anyone think it would be beneficial to have a TimeoutEvent built right in along side ResultEvent and FaultEvent to make it easier? Baz On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:24 PM, jamesfin james.alan.finni...@...wrote: I agree with Rick. For all net calls, I have a timer going and a simple queue that is populated when sending each request. When and if they return sometime later, they are removed from the queue. If requests aren't received by some set timeout, they are ignored. I employ the use of tokens for each request so I know if I should ignore them or not if they are expired by my timeout. You could also log the failure to the server or trace if you want to track them. james --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Rick Genter rick.genter@ wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Baz lists@ wrote: If you send a request to a web service, and for some reason that request never returns because it got lost on the net, or some other failure. What strategies do people employ on the flex side to handle that situation? FaultEvent wouldn't fire in this case, because there are no known faults yet. Perhaps, people employ some timeout functionality on their remote listeners? Cheers, Baz Do you use a URLRequest/URLLoader to place your request? I think if you listen for an IOErrorEvent.IO_ERROR, one gets raised if the request times out at the HTTP level. If the request gets to the server but the server just takes too long to respond, then I think you'll have to add some sort of timer. -- Rick Genter rick.genter@
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
I think open and closed is too broad... and their definitions are moot. If anything Flash is a daywalker. A half breed. Its a creature of the night but it can exist during the day. It doesn't have to feed on human blood but you wouldn't want to be around him when he's hungry. especially on the feast of a thousand moons. unless of course you've been turned. and in vampire society there's pure blood and non-pure blood (the turned). pure bloods are born-vampires, offspring that were conceived between two turn-blood or born vampires. both carries with it a specific connotation that is reflected in their society and hierarchy. ...what were we talking about? On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Guy Morton g...@alchemy.com.au wrote: It's PUBLISHED. That's not the same as OPEN. Open formats, like SVG, are generally developed by a standards organisation, with input from any interested parties. Open formats, by definition, can be used without restriction by anyone. Proprietary formats, like Flash, are defined and controlled by private organisations, like Adobe. They may publish their format spec to encourage use of it, but they don't hand over control of it to a standards organisation. So Flash is a published, but proprietary, format. HTML and SVG, are open formats. Guy On 04/05/2010, at 11:31 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: This is actually wrong. the SWF format is open and documented for all to use ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ ). Are you aware of any restrictions placed upon use of the specification that do not make it open? Adobe's Flash Player, on the other hand, is very proprietary. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton g...@... wrote: On 04/05/2010, at 9:39 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote: SWF is not a proprietary format, Yes. It. Is.
[flexcoders] Reflection does not provide information of Array Objects
Hi
I have class
package valueObjects
{
public class ActionVO {
public var expandedDescription:String;
[ArrayElementType(valueObjects.ResourceVO)]
public var resources:Array;
public function ActionVO(){}
}
}
When i do the describeType(value:*);
I get the below xml
type name=valueObjects::ActionVO base=Class isDynamic=true
isFinal=true isStatic=true
extendsClass type=Class/
extendsClass type=Object/
accessor name=prototype access=readonly type=* declaredBy=Class/
factory type=valueObjects::ActionVO
extendsClass type=Object/
variable name=expandedDescription type=String/
variable name=resources type=Array/
/factory
/type
If you notice resources type is Array. But i have declared array of type
valueObjects.ResourceVO. So how can i know through reflection that resources
array contains objects of types valueObjects.ResourceVO
Any pointer is higly appreciated.
Thanks
ilikeflex
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
I think open and closed is too broad... and their definitions are moot. If anything Flash is a daywalker. A half breed. Its a creature of the night but it can exist during the day. It doesn't have to feed on human blood but you wouldn't want to be around him when he's hungry. especially on the feast of a thousand moons. unless of course you've been turned. and in vampire society there's pure blood and non-pure blood (the turned). pure bloods are born-vampires, offspring that were conceived between two turn-blood or born vampires. both carries with it a specific connotation that is reflected in their society and hierarchy. ...what were we talking about? hehehe
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
I am failing to see what the issue is on having a proprietary player is anyways. If the company is as devoted to making it better (as adobe seems to be with the whole flash platform experience) what is the issue? Most companies I know that product web/software products are closed and proprietary. Ever seen the inner workings of MS Word or iPhoto? I am all about committee standard projects and open source projects. Keeps my budget down, but I am also just as ok with a company that makes a product that I enjoy both as a developer and as a user. (Insert Kool-Aid joke here). Also can't help but giggle when Steve talks about openness. This coming from the company that produces a phone where you can't even replace the battery or screen. Also, wasn't he the guy who tried to sue people for installing Mac OS on non Mac machines? Also, don't bitch about plugins when your Quicktime is a plug in too... If Steve Jobs doesn't want Flash Player on the iWhatever, so be it. Stick to your guns and call it a life. Stop beating it publicly. I am bored with it. Plenty of other Phones out there that will support it. Trick is to make them better and the mobile experience better so the iWhatever falls short. That is on us, the developers and designers of Flash media, to do. Committee standards are fine and there are a lot of things in the web universe that are governed by committee. BUT having some things are just fine when controlled by a company dedicated to improving and refining the product. Seems ever since Steve Jobs opened his iMouth there is a negative vibe about Abode solely owning a product thats its done a pretty good job at improving. Keep it closed, keep it proprietary, and keep it coming. (Even though they are opening a lot of it up). With our without the iWhatever support, Flash will continue along side of HTML5. I am still keen on Flash Player since I don't have to worry about if the browser supports JS or not. My stuff always renders the same as long as the plugin is there. Jingle...jingle...there is my 2 cents (which worth about half of that)
[flexcoders] SSL + Secret Key, enough to secure remote services?
There are tons of different ways to implement security on remote services. I would like to double-check if there are any flaws with the one I am looking at: 1. Load the app swf using HTTPS, which automatically forces all future requests from within the app to use HTTPS 2. Load a secret key that is securely stored on the server (not compiled into the swf!) 3. Use the secret key with every remote request to ensure the client is valid Any security holes with that? Cheers, Baz
Re: [flexcoders] Bindable metadata tag event name
Amy-28 wrote: When you use the syntax [Bindable(event=something)] You are telling the compiler I know what I'm doing, and I'm planning to dispatch the event 'something' myself. If you don't, or you're not, just use the default syntax and let Flex dispatch the needed events for you. http://tv.adobe.com/watch/360flex-conference/diving-in-the-data-binding-waters-by-michael-labriola/ Hi, I guess this is what exactly I was looking for; thanks Amy. :) -sasuke -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Bindable-metadata-tag---event-name-tp28422913p28450982.html Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Reflection does not provide information of Array Objects
That's just a tag to tell the compiler about how it should treat the array in MXML layout. At runtime this information doesn't persist and it has no effect on how Array behaves. It will still be the same ECMAArray... Vectors do have the type information at runtime, however not after they are serialized. One more thing though. You may add custom meta tags if you need and store the RTTI there. If that's not good enough, I know there are an initiative to let compiler execute custom code during compilation... It's not yet there, but well may be that it is already workable enough to provide some sort of preprocessing / postlinking etc stuff, so you could inject the meta for example during compilation... (search JIRA for that, I cannot find the link atm.) Best. Oleg
[flexcoders] FB4 Framework Linkage keeps resetting
We have been converting projects from FB3 to FB4 but the Framework Linkage in the Flex Library Build Path keeps getting reset on a whole bunch of projects, when we open FB it is reset to Merged Into Code when it is supposed to be External. At first of course you think you made a mistake and forgot to set it, but this is across a dozen projects that have been gone through several times to carefully set the value, and once you close FB and reopen it changes back. Its very time consuming to keep having to go back through and check every project when it is loaded. Anyone seen this issue?
[flexcoders] Tree Change Event
I'm trying to figure out where I can find how to dispatch the Tree Change Event? I'm more interested in why I can't find it by researching the AS 3.5 docs online but at any rate any help would be much appreciated var result:Boolean = RootTree.dispatchEvent(new TreeEvent( CHANGE?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
I just dont care. I have never went out my way to support Mac, ever. I think i made a mac screensaver once. Sorry guys im just not interested in it. Lets buy an apple which doesnt run anything versus a pc which does everything you throw at it. No thanks. If iplatform wont support flash, then who really cares? We never have been able to so whats the problem? Do people think you would be building a house of gold bars just because you make some pod/pad/phone apps? Have you even see the app store? 96% of it is total garbage. Even if you could make a flash app, its almost invisible in a sea of garbage. As keith peters once commented its like winning the lottery to get it right. Leave him to it. When HTML5 has 3d libraries and physics engines then ill consider the move, right now its not about technology. People will always download the flash runtime because it has a healthy community and its not a burden for the user. People are used to it. If you make a good app, people will embrace the platform it runs on. A 2+mb player or whatever isnt going to burden anyone in 2020. Its so far off that its comical. On 4 May 2010 17:42, Wally Kolcz wko...@isavepets.com wrote: I am failing to see what the issue is on having a proprietary player is anyways. If the company is as devoted to making it better (as adobe seems to be with the whole flash platform experience) what is the issue? Most companies I know that product web/software products are closed and proprietary. Ever seen the inner workings of MS Word or iPhoto? I am all about committee standard projects and open source projects. Keeps my budget down, but I am also just as ok with a company that makes a product that I enjoy both as a developer and as a user. (Insert Kool-Aid joke here). Also can't help but giggle when Steve talks about openness. This coming from the company that produces a phone where you can't even replace the battery or screen. Also, wasn't he the guy who tried to sue people for installing Mac OS on non Mac machines? Also, don't bitch about plugins when your Quicktime is a plug in too... If Steve Jobs doesn't want Flash Player on the iWhatever, so be it. Stick to your guns and call it a life. Stop beating it publicly. I am bored with it. Plenty of other Phones out there that will support it. Trick is to make them better and the mobile experience better so the iWhatever falls short. That is on us, the developers and designers of Flash media, to do. Committee standards are fine and there are a lot of things in the web universe that are governed by committee. BUT having some things are just fine when controlled by a company dedicated to improving and refining the product. Seems ever since Steve Jobs opened his iMouth there is a negative vibe about Abode solely owning a product thats its done a pretty good job at improving. Keep it closed, keep it proprietary, and keep it coming. (Even though they are opening a lot of it up). With our without the iWhatever support, Flash will continue along side of HTML5. I am still keen on Flash Player since I don't have to worry about if the browser supports JS or not. My stuff always renders the same as long as the plugin is there. Jingle...jingle...there is my 2 cents (which worth about half of that)
[flexcoders] Dynamic skin on spark.component.textinput
I stripped away most of the code and just have all the pertinent parts.
The UIComponent is used because I don't know what class I will be adding to the
application, I have hard coded the string for clarity.
What I am trying to do is dynamically create a textinput spark component,
but running into a problem with the skin class, when I create the UIComponent
the skin is null and I get an exception when I add it to the HGroup.
So thought that if I added the skinclass before I added the element to the
HGroup it would work.
Does anyone have any example code to set the skinclass of a textinput
dynamically?
private function createTextInput():void {
var objClass:Class = getDefinitionByName( spark.components.TextInput
) as Class;
var newObject:UIComponent = UIComponent( new objClass() );
var xObject:HGroup = new spark.components.HGroup();
var newLabel:Label = new spark.components.Label();
newLabel[ text ] = First Name:;
newObject[skinClass] = spark.skins.spark.TextInputSkin;
newObject.percentWidth = 20;
xObject.addElement(newLabel);
xObject.addElement(newObject);
this.addElement( xObject );
}
[flexcoders] Looking for a freelance developer - urgent ASAP
Hello, Looking for a Flex developer to customize this component for me. Very quick job, but it's urgent! Please don't hesitate to contact me!!! Estimated time: 1 hour Pay: Excellent. Component: http://strawberrypixel.com/blog/flexwheel-component-page/ My email: http://services.nexodyne.com/email/icon/E08j7cT.aouL4dQsaQ%3D%3D/Q4BbNz8%3D/R01haWw%3D/0/image.png
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
The best part is that HTML5 video is going to be based on H.264 - which is not only a proprietary codec, BUT COSTS MONEY! At least flash is free. Here's an excerpt of what happened with gif: The web in 1999 was a lot smaller than it is today, so a lot of people don’t remember what happened back when Unisys decided to start to enforce their GIF-related patentshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gif#Unisys_and_LZW_patent_enforcement. GIF was already widely used on the web as a fundamental web technology. Much like the codecs we’re talking about today it wasn’t in any particular spec but thanks to network effects it was in use basically everywhere. Unisys was asking some web site owners $5,000-$7,500 to able to use GIFs on their sites. Note that these patents expired about five years ago, so this isn’t an issue today, but it’s still instructive. It’s scary to think of a world where you would have to fork up $5000 just to be able to use images on a web site. Think about all of the opportunity, the weblogs, the search engines (even Google!) and all the other the simple ideas that became major services that would never have been started because of a huge tax being put on being able to use a*fundamental* web technology. It makes the web as a democratic technology distinctly un-democratic. from ( http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2010/01/html5-video-and-h-264-what-history-tells-us-and-why-were-standing-with-the-web/ )
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
I love how people with little or no actual experience of the Mac platform apparently know what it can and can't do. I'm writing this on a an iMac that's running Mac OSX and Windows XP at the same time. Can your PC do that? That was a rhetorical question, by the way. If you don't see any benefits to open standards then you're just not interested in looking, in which case there is no point in talking about them to you. And yes, good apps and a 2Mb runtime, no problem, I'm sure there will continue to be a market for them. On 05/05/2010, at 6:57 AM, Clark Stevenson wrote: I just dont care. I have never went out my way to support Mac, ever. I think i made a mac screensaver once. Sorry guys im just not interested in it. Lets buy an apple which doesnt run anything versus a pc which does everything you throw at it. No thanks. If iplatform wont support flash, then who really cares? We never have been able to so whats the problem? Do people think you would be building a house of gold bars just because you make some pod/pad/phone apps? Have you even see the app store? 96% of it is total garbage. Even if you could make a flash app, its almost invisible in a sea of garbage. As keith peters once commented its like winning the lottery to get it right. Leave him to it. When HTML5 has 3d libraries and physics engines then ill consider the move, right now its not about technology. People will always download the flash runtime because it has a healthy community and its not a burden for the user. People are used to it. If you make a good app, people will embrace the platform it runs on. A 2+mb player or whatever isnt going to burden anyone in 2020. Its so far off that its comical. On 4 May 2010 17:42, Wally Kolcz wko...@isavepets.com wrote: I am failing to see what the issue is on having a proprietary player is anyways. If the company is as devoted to making it better (as adobe seems to be with the whole flash platform experience) what is the issue? Most companies I know that product web/software products are closed and proprietary. Ever seen the inner workings of MS Word or iPhoto? I am all about committee standard projects and open source projects. Keeps my budget down, but I am also just as ok with a company that makes a product that I enjoy both as a developer and as a user. (Insert Kool-Aid joke here). Also can't help but giggle when Steve talks about openness. This coming from the company that produces a phone where you can't even replace the battery or screen. Also, wasn't he the guy who tried to sue people for installing Mac OS on non Mac machines? Also, don't bitch about plugins when your Quicktime is a plug in too... If Steve Jobs doesn't want Flash Player on the iWhatever, so be it. Stick to your guns and call it a life. Stop beating it publicly. I am bored with it. Plenty of other Phones out there that will support it. Trick is to make them better and the mobile experience better so the iWhatever falls short. That is on us, the developers and designers of Flash media, to do. Committee standards are fine and there are a lot of things in the web universe that are governed by committee. BUT having some things are just fine when controlled by a company dedicated to improving and refining the product. Seems ever since Steve Jobs opened his iMouth there is a negative vibe about Abode solely owning a product thats its done a pretty good job at improving. Keep it closed, keep it proprietary, and keep it coming. (Even though they are opening a lot of it up). With our without the iWhatever support, Flash will continue along side of HTML5. I am still keen on Flash Player since I don't have to worry about if the browser supports JS or not. My stuff always renders the same as long as the plugin is there. Jingle...jingle...there is my 2 cents (which worth about half of that)
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
I agree that's a risk and would prefer to see some clear direction as to how patents covering h.264 will be enforced in the future. Flash decodes h.264 video so it will still get swept up in the same issues as HTML5 will, should those issues arise, so I don't see how Flash is the answer to this problem. On 05/05/2010, at 8:43 AM, Baz wrote: The best part is that HTML5 video is going to be based on H.264 - which is not only a proprietary codec, BUT COSTS MONEY! At least flash is free. Here's an excerpt of what happened with gif: The web in 1999 was a lot smaller than it is today, so a lot of people don’t remember what happened back when Unisys decided to start to enforce their GIF-related patents. GIF was already widely used on the web as a fundamental web technology. Much like the codecs we’re talking about today it wasn’t in any particular spec but thanks to network effects it was in use basically everywhere. Unisys was asking some web site owners $5,000-$7,500 to able to use GIFs on their sites. Note that these patents expired about five years ago, so this isn’t an issue today, but it’s still instructive. It’s scary to think of a world where you would have to fork up $5000 just to be able to use images on a web site. Think about all of the opportunity, the weblogs, the search engines (even Google!) and all the other the simple ideas that became major services that would never have been started because of a huge tax being put on being able to use afundamental web technology. It makes the web as a democratic technology distinctly un-democratic. from (http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2010/01/html5-video-and-h-264-what-history-tells-us-and-why-were-standing-with-the-web/)
[flexcoders] Re: Tree Change Event *SOLVED*
http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=dpcontrols_8.htm\ l You typically use events to respond to user interaction with a Tree http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/langref/mx/controls/Tree.html control. Since the Tree control is derived from the List http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/langref/mx/controls/List.html control, you can use all of the events defined for the List control. The Tree control also dispatches several Event http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/langref/flash/events/Event.html and TreeEvent http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/langref/mx/events/TreeEvent.html class events, including Event.change andTreeEvent.itemOpen I was using this on creation complete RootTree.addEventListener(ListEvent.ITEM_CLICK, treeChange); and this works RootTree.dispatchEvent(new ListEvent(ListEvent.ITEM_CLICK)); --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, advancedonsite nos...@... wrote: I'm trying to figure out where I can find how to dispatch the Tree Change Event? I'm more interested in why I can't find it by researching the AS 3.5 docs online but at any rate any help would be much appreciated var result:Boolean = RootTree.dispatchEvent(new TreeEvent( CHANGE?
Re: [flexcoders] Reflection does not provide information of Array Objects
Hi Oleg Thanks for the pointers. Regards Rajan From: Oleg Sivokon olegsivo...@gmail.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 2:31:04 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Reflection does not provide information of Array Objects That's just a tag to tell the compiler about how it should treat the array in MXML layout. At runtime this information doesn't persist and it has no effect on how Array behaves. It will still be the same ECMAArray... Vectors do have the type information at runtime, however not after they are serialized. One more thing though. You may add custom meta tags if you need and store the RTTI there. If that's not good enough, I know there are an initiative to let compiler execute custom code during compilation. .. It's not yet there, but well may be that it is already workable enough to provide some sort of preprocessing / postlinking etc stuff, so you could inject the meta for example during compilation. .. (search JIRA for that, I cannot find the link atm.) Best. Oleg
[flexcoders] custom tree component
Hi, I need to create a custom component which will have a box and a tree inside it using ActionScript. Can any one please suggest a way to do it? Thanks in advance. Sony.
[flexcoders] What's your favorite automated testing tools?
I've got a project where I need to build automated UI tests for the app we're building. Any suggestions on which tool is the best?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: ViewStack historyManagementEnabled fails when nested in spark component
HistoryManager is more or less deprecated. We want folks to use BrowserManager going forward. If you absolutely have to get HistoryManager working in a Spark app, it looks like you can try adding a public variable called historyManagementEnabled to your application. fx:Script public var historyManagementEnabled:Boolean = true; /fx:Script On 5/3/10 1:53 PM, method_air loudj...@hotmail.com wrote: When a view stack is nested in a spark component, the view stack loses 'historManagementEnabled' functionality. Changing mx:Application to s:Application in the following code causes this problem: ?xml version=1.0? !-- Simple example to demonstrate the Halo ViewStack layout container. -- mx:Application xmlns:fx=http://ns.adobe.com/mxml/2009; xmlns:s=library://ns.adobe.com/flex/spark xmlns:mx=library://ns.adobe.com/flex/mx mx:Panel title=ViewStack Container Example width=75% height=75% horizontalCenter=0 verticalCenter=0 mx:VBox left=10 right=10 top=10 bottom=10 s:Label width=100% color=blue text=Use the Button controls to change panels of the ViewStack container./ mx:HBox s:Button id=searchButton label=Search Panel click=myViewStack.selectedChild = search;/ s:Button id=cInfoButton label=Customer Info Panel click=myViewStack.selectedChild = custInfo;/ s:Button id=aInfoButton label=Account Panel click=myViewStack.selectedChild = accountInfo;/ /mx:HBox !-- Define the ViewStack and the three child containers and have it resize up to the size of the container for the buttons. -- mx:ViewStack id=myViewStack borderStyle=solid width=100% height=100% historyManagementEnabled=true mx:Canvas id=search backgroundColor=#CC label=Search width=100% height=100% mx:Label text=Search Screen color=#00/ /mx:Canvas mx:Canvas id=custInfo backgroundColor=#CC label=Customer Info width=100% height=100% mx:Label text=Customer Info color=#00/ /mx:Canvas mx:Canvas id=accountInfo backgroundColor=#FFCCFF label=Account Info width=100% height=100% mx:Label text=Account Info color=#00/ /mx:Canvas /mx:ViewStack /mx:VBox /mx:Panel /mx:Application // Alex Harui, any ideas how to get around this problem? Thanks, Philip --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , method_air loudj...@... wrote: Any ideas why historyManagementEnabled seems to be failing here: s:VGroup mx:ViewStack historyManagementEnabled=true s:NavigatorContent tunnel:ProductTunnelView/ /s:NavigatorContent s:NavigatorContent editorHostViews:EditorAppView / /s:NavigatorContent s:NavigatorContent s:Panel gallery:GalleryView / /s:Panel /s:NavigatorContent /mx:ViewStack /s:VGroup The MX viewstack is nested in a spark component. History management worked when nested in an mx component. Thanks, Philip -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe System, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
[flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
Hi Jeff, Seriously, you can not see the difference between published and open? No kidding? If I want to introduce some changes in SWF format, what should I do to achieve this?. PS Please don't use Why do you need this, anyway(c) as this is a copyrighted answer in Apple community. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jeffry Houser j...@... wrote: What restrictions are placed upon the SWF format? None so far as I know. You can take the spec and do whatever you want with it; including creating alternate IDEs and alternate players. You might be able to argue that it is not a standard in the same way that HTML or SVG is. But, that doesn't make it non-open. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton guy@ wrote: It's PUBLISHED. That's not the same as OPEN. Open formats, like SVG, are generally developed by a standards organisation, with input from any interested parties. Open formats, by definition, can be used without restriction by anyone. Proprietary formats, like Flash, are defined and controlled by private organisations, like Adobe. They may publish their format spec to encourage use of it, but they don't hand over control of it to a standards organisation. So Flash is a published, but proprietary, format. HTML and SVG, are open formats. Guy On 04/05/2010, at 11:31 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: This is actually wrong. the SWF format is open and documented for all to use ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ ). Are you aware of any restrictions placed upon use of the specification that do not make it open? Adobe's Flash Player, on the other hand, is very proprietary. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton guy@ wrote: On 04/05/2010, at 9:39 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote: SWF is not a proprietary format, Yes. It. Is.
[flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
Mea culpa. Everytime Flash plugin crashes and Firefox says Ooops, do you want me to send the info about this crash to Apple? I click on Yes, please. Do you want me to stop doing this, to improve the Flash image? PS I have to admit, I am doing it several times a day, so maybe that's why Jobs thinks it is so bad Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jochem van Dieten joch...@... wrote: On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Guy Morton wrote: On 30/04/2010, at 6:22 PM, Tom Chiverton wrote: That article is so wrong, in so many places, but the corrections will never get the same exposure. Good tactic, unfortunately. I'm interested to know where you think he is factually wrong. I believe Steve Jobs is factually wrong in the following claim: We also know first hand that Flash is the number one reason Macs crash. On a modern Operating System a userland application can not crash the system. Only errors in hardware or in privileged processes (the kernel and drivers) running in ring 0 can crash can operating system. Ring 3 code can not. Now I immediately believe him if he wants to claim that Flash is the number one reason Safari or Camino crashes. But the only way I can imagine Flash crashing the system is if Mac OS X allows userland applications access to hardware. And operating systems that allow that deserve to crash. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/
[flexcoders] Re: Out of curiosity, what would Adobe lose if Flash were open sourced?
But, none of the alternate players out there are 100%. Making their source available, it'd probably bring a flood of alternate players. Damn nation! opening the source code of Linux will bring myriads of other linuxes! This agression will not stand!
[flexcoders] Re: Out of curiosity, what would Adobe lose if Flash were open sourced?
Gnash !?!? Di you try use it? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@... wrote: On Tuesday 04 May 2010 00:48:25 you wrote: With the swf format being documented, and available, in theory there could be plenty of different implementation of the Flash Player. And there are, such as Gash. I believe the open source community has issue with the license the spec. is released under, like if you read it you agree not to write a Player or something. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to administratively restore 24/7 B2C innovative visionary applications as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
[flexcoders] Re: Thoughts on Flash by Steve Jobs
OK, if you really-really don't understand the problem, let me rephrase it: one company (A) developing proprietary tools devices refuses to use another's company(B) proprietary product on their proprietary devices. What's the problem? No problem! PS The real problem is that company B believes that they have developed a technology standard which should be used and adopted to the same level as HTML or XML or TCP/IP. Well, this is a company B problem. And unfortunately this is our(developers) problem as well. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Wally Kolcz wko...@... wrote: I am failing to see what the issue is on having a proprietary player is anyways. If the company is as devoted to making it better (as adobe seems to be with the whole flash platform experience) what is the issue? Most companies I know that product web/software products are closed and proprietary. Ever seen the inner workings of MS Word or iPhoto? I am all about committee standard projects and open source projects. Keeps my budget down, but I am also just as ok with a company that makes a product that I enjoy both as a developer and as a user. (Insert Kool-Aid joke here). Also can't help but giggle when Steve talks about openness. This coming from the company that produces a phone where you can't even replace the battery or screen. Also, wasn't he the guy who tried to sue people for installing Mac OS on non Mac machines? Also, don't bitch about plugins when your Quicktime is a plug in too... If Steve Jobs doesn't want Flash Player on the iWhatever, so be it. Stick to your guns and call it a life. Stop beating it publicly. I am bored with it. Plenty of other Phones out there that will support it. Trick is to make them better and the mobile experience better so the iWhatever falls short. That is on us, the developers and designers of Flash media, to do. Committee standards are fine and there are a lot of things in the web universe that are governed by committee. BUT having some things are just fine when controlled by a company dedicated to improving and refining the product. Seems ever since Steve Jobs opened his iMouth there is a negative vibe about Abode solely owning a product thats its done a pretty good job at improving. Keep it closed, keep it proprietary, and keep it coming. (Even though they are opening a lot of it up). With our without the iWhatever support, Flash will continue along side of HTML5. I am still keen on Flash Player since I don't have to worry about if the browser supports JS or not. My stuff always renders the same as long as the plugin is there. Jingle...jingle...there is my 2 cents (which worth about half of that)
[flexcoders] Re: What's your favorite automated testing tools?
from my experience, the best tool to test GUI based projects is a human being with a set of a testcases. If there is a human intreaction intended, no script will handle all possible choices. PS It was kind of funny to see when we hired finally a professional tester and he found on the most used and most tested screen 4 bugs after 10 minutes of playing with it. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, ssekiguchi ssekigu...@... wrote: I've got a project where I need to build automated UI tests for the app we're building. Any suggestions on which tool is the best?
