[flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
$100 - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Additionally, I know of those getting $40 to $70 as well. Depends on experience, the company, and budget as well. - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Hi Jesse, And how does that compare to the old school Flash RIA samurais, like yourself? On 11/18/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additionally, I know of those getting $40 to $70 as well. Depends on experience, the company, and budget as well. - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Not sure; Flash got more and more complex in the amount of markets it went into, so rather than stabilizing, it work got worse. I've heard of rates from $20/hr; I myself have worked for less on cool as hell projects to the flipside of salaries exceeding 100k. So... no clue, bro. Flex is a lot more straightforward, so easier to price. You either have experience, or don't, you've either done Flex projects or you haven't. Black and white terms make things easier to price. - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi Jesse, And how does that compare to the old school Flash RIA samurais, like yourself? On 11/18/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additionally, I know of those getting $40 to $70 as well. Depends on experience, the company, and budget as well. - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Hi, I know of folks charging from $150-$300 per hour for design and architecture work on Flex projects. Rates vary very widely it seems. -David -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:14 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Additionally, I know of those getting $40 to $70 as well. Depends on experience, the company, and budget as well. - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
This is more in line with what we see. Experience is key here. If you don't have a number of deployed applications in production with a proven and repeatable methodology for getting there, these rates won't happen. Clearly it also depends upon the kind of customer you're dealing with. This is attainable with large, private sector companies. In the public sector, unless you're the vendor, GSA and others like it will simply reject your labor categories and tell you they need a better price. Carson Carson Hager Cynergy Systems, Inc. http://www.cynergysystems.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: 866-CYNERGY Mobile: 1.703.489.6466 -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Mendels Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:07 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi, I know of folks charging from $150-$300 per hour for design and architecture work on Flex projects. Rates vary very widely it seems. -David -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:14 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Additionally, I know of those getting $40 to $70 as well. Depends on experience, the company, and budget as well. - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Jesse, $20/hr is what I pay people to dig holes in my yard! Anyone in the US with development skills working for that is depressing the market and seriously shortchanging themselves. Since FLEX is aimed directly at the enterprise market and is fundamentally a presentation-tier platform, you could use Java/.NET UI developer rates as a rough guide. As I investigate the FLEX market, it appears to be closely tied to the Java market since many Java guys are adopting FLEX. I just took a FLEX class where I was the only Flash guy in a room full of Java people, and the assumption was that a FLEX developer would have deep Java experience. As one of the old school Flash guys, I see FLEX paying more than Flash development for someone who knows AS2.0 inside and out. Flash seems to top out at about $85 an hour for contract in the US on large projects, and Flex trumps that just in the few jobs I have looked at (for the NYC area). Of course salary is a whole other beast, and I have no experience there due to my allergy to W2 forms. Tim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Ok, this is one of those comments that usually get me pointed out as non-serious. But, I am not serious at all, so who cares... I believe that these pricing differences will be sustained over time, and probably even increase. That's exactly why i asked the question... I wanted to see the current range. My bet is that this happens when the craftsman is not limited by the technology ( which would draw a common line for the vast majority ), but is presented with a vast horizon and draws his own boundaries. Much like music, or movies. Eventually, we will see geniality show trough in this new era of the web than ever before, when we were all consumed at some point while climbing up the wall of div's, action's, jsession, createMovieClip(), quirksmode, etc. So, I invite you guys to call yourselves Flex Artists! I don't see any wall in close range Unless, of course, me or my team could score an A in all of the following aspects: - At least one heay weight server side tech - Usability - UI design - Relevant development methodologies - XML, CSS and other accessories - Team work - MVC and other patterns - Creativity, Vision ( and the ability to bring it to the ground ) - Assertivity, communicational, and educational skills ( to wipe off 10 years of obsolete webpage paradigm from the customer's mind, without scaring him off, and get to the real requirements ) - Graphical talent - Video / Media expertise - Flex / Flash platform technical expertise - Am I leaving something out? PS. granted that the market still has to configure itself. But, hey, I'm just skipping the boring part ;) jaja this is my no-coffee state, after lunch, falling asleep On 11/18/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $100 - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
...well, there goes that assumption... :: bangs head :: - Original Message - From: Carson Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? This is more in line with what we see. Experience is key here. If you don't have a number of deployed applications in production with a proven and repeatable methodology for getting there, these rates won't happen. Clearly it also depends upon the kind of customer you're dealing with. This is attainable with large, private sector companies. In the public sector, unless you're the vendor, GSA and others like it will simply reject your labor categories and tell you they need a better price. Carson Carson Hager Cynergy Systems, Inc. http://www.cynergysystems.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: 866-CYNERGY Mobile: 1.703.489.6466 -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Mendels Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:07 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi, I know of folks charging from $150-$300 per hour for design and architecture work on Flex projects. Rates vary very widely it seems. -David -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:14 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Additionally, I know of those getting $40 to $70 as well. Depends on experience, the company, and budget as well. - Original Message - From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
If I went to NYC, I'd double my rates; I couldn't survive on 85 an hour there... at least, from what I've seen from cost of living. - Original Message - From: Tim Beynart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Jesse, $20/hr is what I pay people to dig holes in my yard! Anyone in the US with development skills working for that is depressing the market and seriously shortchanging themselves. Since FLEX is aimed directly at the enterprise market and is fundamentally a presentation-tier platform, you could use Java/.NET UI developer rates as a rough guide. As I investigate the FLEX market, it appears to be closely tied to the Java market since many Java guys are adopting FLEX. I just took a FLEX class where I was the only Flash guy in a room full of Java people, and the assumption was that a FLEX developer would have deep Java experience. As one of the old school Flash guys, I see FLEX paying more than Flash development for someone who knows AS2.0 inside and out. Flash seems to top out at about $85 an hour for contract in the US on large projects, and Flex trumps that just in the few jobs I have looked at (for the NYC area). Of course salary is a whole other beast, and I have no experience there due to my allergy to W2 forms. Tim -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Besides, kind of hard to ask for $300 an hour when you have... oh, NOTHING on your resume to prove yo don't suck. I'll do whatever it takes to succeed, and if that meant taking jack money to get some cool projects on my resume, so be it. Today, I don't need anymore, but back then, I'd seriously question wtf else you expected me to do. - Original Message - From: Tim Beynart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Jesse, $20/hr is what I pay people to dig holes in my yard! Anyone in the US with development skills working for that is depressing the market and seriously shortchanging themselves. Since FLEX is aimed directly at the enterprise market and is fundamentally a presentation-tier platform, you could use Java/.NET UI developer rates as a rough guide. As I investigate the FLEX market, it appears to be closely tied to the Java market since many Java guys are adopting FLEX. I just took a FLEX class where I was the only Flash guy in a room full of Java people, and the assumption was that a FLEX developer would have deep Java experience. As one of the old school Flash guys, I see FLEX paying more than Flash development for someone who knows AS2.0 inside and out. Flash seems to top out at about $85 an hour for contract in the US on large projects, and Flex trumps that just in the few jobs I have looked at (for the NYC area). Of course salary is a whole other beast, and I have no experience there due to my allergy to W2 forms. Tim -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Rates vary widely depending on type of gig (consulting, contractor, or employee), industry, location, depth of knowledge in software engineering, experience with flash and other related technologies, and so on. I'd expect a highly experienced Flex developer that runs a consulting firm to bring in $150 to $300/hr or more. On the other hand, I'd expect a college student using Flex to create a web app for a local small business to make $15 to $30/hr. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aldo Bucchi Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:44 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Dude, I want to run a firm now. - Original Message - From: Hans Omli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Rates vary widely depending on type of gig (consulting, contractor, or employee), industry, location, depth of knowledge in software engineering, experience with flash and other related technologies, and so on. I'd expect a highly experienced Flex developer that runs a consulting firm to bring in $150 to $300/hr or more. On the other hand, I'd expect a college student using Flex to create a web app for a local small business to make $15 to $30/hr. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aldo Bucchi Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:44 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Hi all, Any ideas on what a Flex developer is currently charging in the US? -- : Aldo Bucchi : mobile (56) 8 429 8300 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I love of course how recruiters and companies want people with the latest and greatest skills. I had a recruiter send me a requisition back in June looking for someone with 5 years of Flex 2 and Flash 8 Pro experience. Uh ya. David Mendels wrote: Hi, I know of folks charging from $150-$300 per hour for design and architecture work on Flex projects. Rates vary very widely it seems. -David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate?
Heh, have you tried free Jesse? :-) I knocked out a few solid free one's in my early days to get something on there then was doing full database driven sites for $500. :-) Its all about the portfolio when contracting until you get your name out there and solid. On 11/18/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, kind of hard to ask for $300 an hour when you have... oh, NOTHING on your resume to prove yo don't suck. I'll do whatever it takes to succeed, and if that meant taking jack money to get some cool projects on my resume, so be it. Today, I don't need anymore, but back then, I'd seriously question wtf else you expected me to do. - Original Message - From: Tim Beynart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Jesse, $20/hr is what I pay people to dig holes in my yard! Anyone in the US with development skills working for that is depressing the market and seriously shortchanging themselves. Since FLEX is aimed directly at the enterprise market and is fundamentally a presentation-tier platform, you could use Java/.NET UI developer rates as a rough guide. As I investigate the FLEX market, it appears to be closely tied to the Java market since many Java guys are adopting FLEX. I just took a FLEX class where I was the only Flash guy in a room full of Java people, and the assumption was that a FLEX developer would have deep Java experience. As one of the old school Flash guys, I see FLEX paying more than Flash development for someone who knows AS2.0 inside and out. Flash seems to top out at about $85 an hour for contract in the US on large projects, and Flex trumps that just in the few jobs I have looked at (for the NYC area). Of course salary is a whole other beast, and I have no experience there due to my allergy to W2 forms. Tim -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- John C. Bland III do what I can do when I can do it. - Chris Tucker, Money Talkshttp://www.gotoandstop.org - Home of FMUG.az -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Oh yeah... done the free ones... problem was, I should of at least had royalties in a contract. One dude who paid me $500 a phat lunch to do this insanely cool map game over 2 months has now, after 2 years, become profitable. He was on CNN, etc. After the project was done, I was broke, savings drained and had to move back in with my parents... until I fought my way into IBM and things went up from there. It was worth it, though, that + other pieces for my portfolio scored me later gigs. - Original Message - From: John C. Bland II To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Heh, have you tried free Jesse? :-) I knocked out a few solid free one's in my early days to get something on there then was doing full database driven sites for $500. :-) Its all about the portfolio when contracting until you get your name out there and solid. On 11/18/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, kind of hard to ask for $300 an hour when you have... oh, NOTHING on your resume to prove yo don't suck. I'll do whatever it takes to succeed, and if that meant taking jack money to get some cool projects on my resume, so be it. Today, I don't need anymore, but back then, I'd seriously question wtf else you expected me to do.- Original Message - From: "Tim Beynart" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:17 PMSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Poll: Flex developer US$ rate? Jesse, $20/hr is what I pay people to dig holes in my yard! Anyone inthe US with development skills working for that is depressing the marketand seriously shortchanging themselves.Since FLEX is aimed directly at the enterprise market and isfundamentally a presentation-tier platform, you could use Java/.NET UIdeveloper rates as a rough guide. As I investigate the FLEX market, itappears to be closely tied to the Java market since many Java guys areadopting FLEX. I just took a FLEX class where I was the only Flash guyin a room full of Java people, and the assumption was that a FLEXdeveloper would have deep Java experience.As one of the "old school Flash guys", I see FLEX paying more than Flashdevelopment for someone who knows AS2.0 inside and out. Flash seems totop out at about $85 an hour for contract in the US on large projects,and Flex trumps that just in the few jobs I have looked at (for the NYCarea).Of course salary is a whole other beast, and I have no experience theredue to my allergy to W2 forms.Tim--Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- John C. Bland II"I do what I can do when I can do it." - Chris Tucker, Money Talkshttp://www.gotoandstop.org - Home of FMUG.az -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
