Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Save up... manage your schedule... go to both. 360 is the food. MAX is the air. ;) On 11 Apr 2007 13:24:05 -0700, Leif Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that anyone who makes their decision to attend either 360Flex or MAX solely based upon the sessions for the event is making a huge mistake. After attending several MAX/UCON/DevCon events (and the 360Flex event), I find that I receive the most satisfaction in meeting and talking with people who do what I do for a living. Making new contacts, renewing old contacts and exchanging ideas are my #1-3 reasons for attending any conference. Leif
RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Hi Jeffry, I could not be more biased of course, but yes, I am saying you are wrong :) Many others on this list have attended and could give their reviews, but I think the MAX event is indeed meaty. I've spent a ton of time at these event (13 of them over 14 years) and the feedback from the developers has been extremely good on the substance of the event. Not every session is a winner, but that is true of any conference. There are a lot of meaty sessions. -David From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffry Houser Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:03 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend? At 08:39 AM 4/10/2007, David Mendels wrote: Hi, MAX will go deep in the details on Flex (and Apollo!) too. MAX is big enough and there are enough sessions that you can spend the entire three days going deep on Flex, and/or spend time in a mix of sessions that also cover other core Adobe technologies. Good to hear. Traditionally I've looked at the session list for Max and decided it wasn't worth my time. It always struck me as more marketing and less meat. Are you saying I'm wrong? Or are you saying this years will be different? -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com http://www.dot-com-it.com/ My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.theflexshow.com/ My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com/ Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com http://www.ctmug.com/
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Replying on Jeffry's comment: On 4/10/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to hear. Traditionally I've looked at the session list for Max and decided it wasn't worth my time. It always struck me as more marketing and less meat. Are you saying I'm wrong? Or are you saying this years will be different? I have only made MAX the last 2 years. To my eye, I saw no marketing either year. (And as a deep tech guy, I am pretty well aware when I am in the presence of marketing fluff ;-) Based on my experience, I will wholeheartedly vouch for Dave Mendel's assertion that: DM the depth and breadth of participation by the product team engineers--a large DM number of members of the Flex team, the Apollo team, the Flash Player (etc etc) DM team will be at the event, both as speakers but more importantly just walking DM around at the event, at the meals and party, and there are lots of opportunities DM to get to know them, ask questions, make requests, etc. If you do go to MAX, I offer the following suggestions: 1) ADVANCE WORK. If you interact with Adobe employees, contact them in advance and see if they will be at MAX. If so, try to schedule times and places where you can meet up with them. And at minimum when at MAX, keep an eye out for them walking around and partying 2) PICK RIGHT. When picking your sessions, check who is presenting. I personally give really high priority to sessions being delivered by the product engineers. It is up to you to pick right. And yes, it can seem a bit like Where is Waldo sometimes. But making the effort to be in the right place at the right time can really pay off. For instance, last year some of the most amazing sessions I attended were presented by: Ely Greenfield, Alex Harui, Roger Gonzalez and Stephen Webster. And yes, I bumped into Sho Kuwamoto and Dave Mendels just walking around. 3) GENERAL SESSIONS. Sneak peaks = amazing. CEO presentations = ho hum (no offense to Bruce, I just prefer more of the engineers :-) Very sorry to here that Alex likely will not be at MAX this year. His presentations really are excellent. Best regards, g
RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
I think your statement that it's more marketing and less meat is incorrect when it comes to the RIA track. Last year we were pretty chock full of useful information for developers and I anticipate this year being the same. Sessions will run the gamut of target audience, beginner to advanced. No question that the keynotes are a little more marketing-driven, but it still can be useful information. Plus the product sneaks are fun :-) Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffry Houser Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:03 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend? At 08:39 AM 4/10/2007, David Mendels wrote: Hi, MAX will go deep in the details on Flex (and Apollo!) too. MAX is big enough and there are enough sessions that you can spend the entire three days going deep on Flex, and/or spend time in a mix of sessions that also cover other core Adobe technologies. Good to hear. Traditionally I've looked at the session list for Max and decided it wasn't worth my time. It always struck me as more marketing and less meat. Are you saying I'm wrong? Or are you saying this years will be different? -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com http://www.dot-com-it.com/ My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.theflexshow.com/ My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com/ Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com http://www.ctmug.com/
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
I have to agree with David, both events will be great. I love MAX because I get to hang out with Ed Sullivan from the User Group Program and that's worth the price of admission. =) For those of you not in the UG program and not knowledgable to the The Great Ed, shame on you. The comparison that David makes below pretty much says it all. 500 (we bumped up the numbers for round 2) vs 3000. There are things a 3000 developer, company driven conference can do that we (360Flex) cannot: rent out California Adventure, get the Venetian, bring entire product development teams. However, there are things we can do that MAX can't: know that everyone you bump into is there for flex only, a job fair where you can leave with job leads (if not a new job!), and a place where speakers tell how they use Flex in the trenches day in and day out ( i.e. you see REAL code!). We also let you bring guests to our parties for free. We like our wives and reckon other's like their lifelong partners to party with them too. Adobe appreciates the smaller conferences too and what they allow them to do at a corporate level, ala ApolloCamp. Can you imagine giving away 3000 flex builders, books, shirts, etc? There are other community driven aspects of 360Flex Seattle that I'm not allowed to publicly say yet (yes, my partners have put the seal on my mouth!) If you think the community vibe flourished last time, you ain't seen nothing yet! We're still nailing down details, but I think it's some darn cool stuff. The way I see it is like this: You're on flexcoders because you want flex and flex only. Wouldn't you want the same from your conference? Many won't and that's why MAX will get 3000, but the diehards will and that's why we sold out 400 last time and will hopefully sell out the 500 hundred this time. The goal of both conferences is the same: to grow the community. Ours is just a more informal grassroots approach to it. Some like low-foam, extra hot, half-caff breve lattes and others like a cuppa joe. Just go with your gut and you'll have a blast either way. Thanks for listening, Tom Ortega http://360flex.com http://360conferences.com/blog/ On 10 Apr 2007 05:39:30 -0700, David Mendels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, MAX will go deep in the details on Flex (and Apollo!) too. MAX is big enough and there are enough sessions that you can spend the entire three days going deep on Flex, and/or spend time in a mix of sessions that also cover other core Adobe technologies. I think both events will be great. Flex360 is a community event, smaller, and more focused--the last one had 400 people. There will be participants from the Flex and Apollo teams, but not nearly as many. MAX is Adobe's flagship event. We expect about 3000 developers. There will be both beginning and advanced sessions on pretty much everything from Adobe, Flex, Apollo, Flash, Creative Suite, ColdFusion, but there are enough sessions that you can be very focused on just your area of interest. In my opinion, one of the most exciting things about MAX that no other event in the world has, is the depth and breadth of participation by the product team engineers--a large number of members of the Flex team, the Apollo team, the Flash Player (etc etc) team will be at the event, both as speakers but more importantly just walking around at the event, at the meals and party, and there are lots of opportunities to get to know them, ask questions, make requests, etc. I have been to every MAX (previously called UCON) for 15 years except one (my 2nd child was born during MAX 4 years ago so I didn't attend). The energy level, diversity, talent, creativity represented at the event is phenomonal. I walk away every year incredibly inspired. If you have any chance to attend I would highly reccomend it. If you can't (based on timing, location, budget), Flex360 will also be excellent. -David -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeffry Houser *Sent:* Monday, April 09, 2007 1:52 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend? If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Last years MAX was the meatiest I've attended personally. I've been to 4 or 5 now. In my opinion in previous years the advanced topics were not all that advanced really. But last year at Vegas there were a few nice truly advanced topics on Flex. Of course YMMV on what advanced means. DK On 11 Apr 2007 09:22:13 -0700, Tom Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with David, both events will be great. I love MAX because I get to hang out with Ed Sullivan from the User Group Program and that's worth the price of admission. =) For those of you not in the UG program and not knowledgable to the The Great Ed, shame on you. The comparison that David makes below pretty much says it all. 500 (we bumped up the numbers for round 2) vs 3000. There are things a 3000 developer, company driven conference can do that we (360Flex) cannot: rent out California Adventure, get the Venetian, bring entire product development teams. However, there are things we can do that MAX can't: know that everyone you bump into is there for flex only, a job fair where you can leave with job leads (if not a new job!), and a place where speakers tell how they use Flex in the trenches day in and day out ( i.e. you see REAL code!). We also let you bring guests to our parties for free. We like our wives and reckon other's like their lifelong partners to party with them too. Adobe appreciates the smaller conferences too and what they allow them to do at a corporate level, ala ApolloCamp. Can you imagine giving away 3000 flex builders, books, shirts, etc? There are other community driven aspects of 360Flex Seattle that I'm not allowed to publicly say yet (yes, my partners have put the seal on my mouth!) If you think the community vibe flourished last time, you ain't seen nothing yet! We're still nailing down details, but I think it's some darn cool stuff. The way I see it is like this: You're on flexcoders because you want flex and flex only. Wouldn't you want the same from your conference? Many won't and that's why MAX will get 3000, but the diehards will and that's why we sold out 400 last time and will hopefully sell out the 500 hundred this time. The goal of both conferences is the same: to grow the community. Ours is just a more informal grassroots approach to it. Some like low-foam, extra hot, half-caff breve lattes and others like a cuppa joe. Just go with your gut and you'll have a blast either way. Thanks for listening, Tom Ortega http://360flex.com http://360conferences.com/blog/ On 10 Apr 2007 05:39:30 -0700, David Mendels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, MAX will go deep in the details on Flex (and Apollo!) too. MAX is big enough and there are enough sessions that you can spend the entire three days going deep on Flex, and/or spend time in a mix of sessions that also cover other core Adobe technologies. I think both events will be great. Flex360 is a community event, smaller, and more focused--the last one had 400 people. There will be participants from the Flex and Apollo teams, but not nearly as many. MAX is Adobe's flagship event. We expect about 3000 developers. There will be both beginning and advanced sessions on pretty much everything from Adobe, Flex, Apollo, Flash, Creative Suite, ColdFusion, but there are enough sessions that you can be very focused on just your area of interest. In my opinion, one of the most exciting things about MAX that no other event in the world has, is the depth and breadth of participation by the product team engineers--a large number of members of the Flex team, the Apollo team, the Flash Player (etc etc) team will be at the event, both as speakers but more importantly just walking around at the event, at the meals and party, and there are lots of opportunities to get to know them, ask questions, make requests, etc. I have been to every MAX (previously called UCON) for 15 years except one (my 2nd child was born during MAX 4 years ago so I didn't attend). The energy level, diversity, talent, creativity represented at the event is phenomonal. I walk away every year incredibly inspired. If you have any chance to attend I would highly reccomend it. If you can't (based on timing, location, budget), Flex360 will also be excellent. -David -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeffry Houser *Sent:* Monday, April 09, 2007 1:52 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend? If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
I believe that anyone who makes their decision to attend either 360Flex or MAX solely based upon the sessions for the event is making a huge mistake. After attending several MAX/UCON/DevCon events (and the 360Flex event), I find that I receive the most satisfaction in meeting and talking with people who do what I do for a living. Making new contacts, renewing old contacts and exchanging ideas are my #1-3 reasons for attending any conference. Leif
RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Hi, MAX will go deep in the details on Flex (and Apollo!) too. MAX is big enough and there are enough sessions that you can spend the entire three days going deep on Flex, and/or spend time in a mix of sessions that also cover other core Adobe technologies. I think both events will be great. Flex360 is a community event, smaller, and more focused--the last one had 400 people. There will be participants from the Flex and Apollo teams, but not nearly as many. MAX is Adobe's flagship event. We expect about 3000 developers. There will be both beginning and advanced sessions on pretty much everything from Adobe, Flex, Apollo, Flash, Creative Suite, ColdFusion, but there are enough sessions that you can be very focused on just your area of interest. In my opinion, one of the most exciting things about MAX that no other event in the world has, is the depth and breadth of participation by the product team engineers--a large number of members of the Flex team, the Apollo team, the Flash Player (etc etc) team will be at the event, both as speakers but more importantly just walking around at the event, at the meals and party, and there are lots of opportunities to get to know them, ask questions, make requests, etc. I have been to every MAX (previously called UCON) for 15 years except one (my 2nd child was born during MAX 4 years ago so I didn't attend). The energy level, diversity, talent, creativity represented at the event is phenomonal. I walk away every year incredibly inspired. If you have any chance to attend I would highly reccomend it. If you can't (based on timing, location, budget), Flex360 will also be excellent. -David From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffry Houser Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:52 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend? If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com http://www.ctmug.com
RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Word of caution. 360Flex in San Jose was a one hour drive from our offices so lots of Flex engineers showed up. There will be fewer of us in Seattle I suspect unless Ted loads a bunch of us in the Winnebago. Personally, I'd much rather be in Seattle in August than Chicago in September. However, I don't think I'll be at either this year. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:23 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend? There's partying and drinking at MAX?;) DK On 09 Apr 2007 11:45:00 -0700, John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously I'm biased so take my two cents for what they're worth. MAX is a fun conference. That said, 360|Flex will be three days of Flex, Flex, and Flex. No acrobat, no dreamweaver, fireworks, no CF, flash IDE, just Flex. We cover Flex with backends (so there's at least one talk with CF in it LOL ) Components, Apollo, etc. As was said, the Flex team tends to be there, people looking for Flex devs are there, I know several people that met clients there. I met several, as well as potential employers. It's a Flex Fest for sure. Drive to MAX? then you miss out on all the partying and drinkin'! :) Hopefully that helped even a little in the decision. On 09 Apr 2007 11:05:37 -0700, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com http://www.ctmug.com -- John Wilker Vice President Software Development/Writer Red Omega Solutions, Inc. www.johnwilker.com http://www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com http://www.red-omega.com Everything changes, nothing remains without change. ~Buddha c.483 bc -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it?
RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
At 08:39 AM 4/10/2007, David Mendels wrote: Hi, MAX will go deep in the details on Flex (and Apollo!) too. MAX is big enough and there are enough sessions that you can spend the entire three days going deep on Flex, and/or spend time in a mix of sessions that also cover other core Adobe technologies. Good to hear. Traditionally I've looked at the session list for Max and decided it wasn't worth my time. It always struck me as more marketing and less meat. Are you saying I'm wrong? Or are you saying this years will be different? -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
And for those who live in BFE New Hampshire(grew up in Seattle though), I will kiss the granite and look for after thoughts. :) Peace, Mike On 10 Apr 2007 06:12:11 -0700, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:39 AM 4/10/2007, David Mendels wrote: Hi, MAX will go deep in the details on Flex (and Apollo!) too. MAX is big enough and there are enough sessions that you can spend the entire three days going deep on Flex, and/or spend time in a mix of sessions that also cover other core Adobe technologies. Good to hear. Traditionally I've looked at the session list for Max and decided it wasn't worth my time. It always struck me as more marketing and less meat. Are you saying I'm wrong? Or are you saying this years will be different? -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- Teoti Graphix http://www.teotigraphix.com Blog - Flex2Components http://www.flex2components.com You can find more by solving the problem then by 'asking the question'.
RE: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. - Elwood MAX will be VERY GOOD this year. 360Flex will be VERY GOOD this year. I am conflicted on this issue of costs to developers for conferences but both of these events will be world class. I wish we could do events for less money in more locations but the reality is that costs are a real burden to everyone. My advice is that if you want to get involved in Flex, this is the year to learn it well and these two conferences will provide a world of knowledge and key contacts in the marketplace. My 2 cents, Ted Patrick Flex Technical Evangelist Adobe Systems http://www.onflex.org http://www.onflex.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/tedpatrick http://www.linkedin.com/in/tedpatrick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ben.clinkinbeard Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:03 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend? Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Obviously I'm biased so take my two cents for what they're worth. MAX is a fun conference. That said, 360|Flex will be three days of Flex, Flex, and Flex. No acrobat, no dreamweaver, fireworks, no CF, flash IDE, just Flex. We cover Flex with backends (so there's at least one talk with CF in it LOL ) Components, Apollo, etc. As was said, the Flex team tends to be there, people looking for Flex devs are there, I know several people that met clients there. I met several, as well as potential employers. It's a Flex Fest for sure. Drive to MAX? then you miss out on all the partying and drinkin'! :) Hopefully that helped even a little in the decision. On 09 Apr 2007 11:05:37 -0700, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- John Wilker Vice President Software Development/Writer Red Omega Solutions, Inc. www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com Everything changes, nothing remains without change. ~Buddha c.483 bc
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
There's partying and drinking at MAX?;) DK On 09 Apr 2007 11:45:00 -0700, John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously I'm biased so take my two cents for what they're worth. MAX is a fun conference. That said, 360|Flex will be three days of Flex, Flex, and Flex. No acrobat, no dreamweaver, fireworks, no CF, flash IDE, just Flex. We cover Flex with backends (so there's at least one talk with CF in it LOL ) Components, Apollo, etc. As was said, the Flex team tends to be there, people looking for Flex devs are there, I know several people that met clients there. I met several, as well as potential employers. It's a Flex Fest for sure. Drive to MAX? then you miss out on all the partying and drinkin'! :) Hopefully that helped even a little in the decision. On 09 Apr 2007 11:05:37 -0700, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- John Wilker Vice President Software Development/Writer Red Omega Solutions, Inc. www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com Everything changes, nothing remains without change. ~Buddha c.483 bc -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it?
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
I've never been to MAX (probably going this year) but if you're a Flex developer and you want a job, I'd recommend going to 360Flex. The last one was a recruiting orgy, and I think the next one will be even more so. And the organizers have high expectations to live up to now after 360Flex in San Jose. The beer better be flowing or I'll demand a refund. Doug On 09 Apr 2007 12:24:48 -0700, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's partying and drinking at MAX?;) DK On 09 Apr 2007 11:45:00 -0700, John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously I'm biased so take my two cents for what they're worth. MAX is a fun conference. That said, 360|Flex will be three days of Flex, Flex, and Flex. No acrobat, no dreamweaver, fireworks, no CF, flash IDE, just Flex. We cover Flex with backends (so there's at least one talk with CF in it LOL ) Components, Apollo, etc. As was said, the Flex team tends to be there, people looking for Flex devs are there, I know several people that met clients there. I met several, as well as potential employers. It's a Flex Fest for sure. Drive to MAX? then you miss out on all the partying and drinkin'! :) Hopefully that helped even a little in the decision. On 09 Apr 2007 11:05:37 -0700, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- John Wilker Vice President Software Development/Writer Red Omega Solutions, Inc. www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com Everything changes, nothing remains without change. ~Buddha c.483 bc -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it?
Re: [flexcoders] 360Flex vs. Adobe MAX - which would you attend?
Oh it will. And we're in Pyramids backyard so... On 09 Apr 2007 12:39:25 -0700, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never been to MAX (probably going this year) but if you're a Flex developer and you want a job, I'd recommend going to 360Flex. The last one was a recruiting orgy, and I think the next one will be even more so. And the organizers have high expectations to live up to now after 360Flex in San Jose. The beer better be flowing or I'll demand a refund. Doug On 09 Apr 2007 12:24:48 -0700, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's partying and drinking at MAX?;) DK On 09 Apr 2007 11:45:00 -0700, John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously I'm biased so take my two cents for what they're worth. MAX is a fun conference. That said, 360|Flex will be three days of Flex, Flex, and Flex. No acrobat, no dreamweaver, fireworks, no CF, flash IDE, just Flex. We cover Flex with backends (so there's at least one talk with CF in it LOL ) Components, Apollo, etc. As was said, the Flex team tends to be there, people looking for Flex devs are there, I know several people that met clients there. I met several, as well as potential employers. It's a Flex Fest for sure. Drive to MAX? then you miss out on all the partying and drinkin'! :) Hopefully that helped even a little in the decision. On 09 Apr 2007 11:05:37 -0700, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're looking for resources for learning Flex, go to 360Flex. Max is an Adobe conference, and I suspect will have a ton of non-Flex content, plus will focus more on cool people using our product / product roadmap / company roadmap without going deep into details. At 01:04 PM 4/9/2007, ben.clinkinbeard wrote: Hello, I will most likely be able to attend one conference this year, and I am trying to determine which would be more beneficial. Due to the locations, the costs for each would be comparable (I could drive to MAX), so its really just a matter of which is better. I am mainly looking learn more (and more in-depth) about Flex, so I am thinking 360 might be the way to go, but thought I would put it out there to the list. Anyone have a strong opinion either way? Thanks, Ben -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- John Wilker Vice President Software Development/Writer Red Omega Solutions, Inc. www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com Everything changes, nothing remains without change. ~Buddha c.483 bc -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- John Wilker Vice President Software Development/Writer Red Omega Solutions, Inc. www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com Everything changes, nothing remains without change. ~Buddha c.483 bc
