Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
They did that in another product, Director, and it runs hardware accelerated 3D on the web. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista PRE-TEXT: Just some encouragement. You guys at Adobe are smart and I know you can put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"I just saw a Video this morning after reading Dvorak's article that IE is now an albatross due to their loss to Eolas in December and the 11th of this month requiring a huge change to ActiveX control interaction.The video was a cross link and discussed the lack of real 3D with texturing etc. (DirectX) in Flash and a hint that "our technology you can't do on a browser".Well, you can in an ActiveX control but now that's Screwed :-)So Vista WinFX and the Macintosh "Viewer" (i.e. not designer app) will be this coming "Headon Collision between Adobe and Microsoft".I just want to encourage the FLEX and Flash 9 developers to try and bust Mickeysoft's bubble when it comes to the fact that they are an old man who is slowly dying -- they will be kept alive for a long time by their Cash Reserve which, some say has a lot of money in it through dirty tricks -- but in the end, I believe Adobe will come out ahead.Again, the FLEX group and FLASH group are full of very smart guys enough so to put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"-r-r Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
...and Flash Player 8 already utilizes Open GL on the Mac. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista They did that in another product, Director, and it runs hardware accelerated 3D on the web. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista PRE-TEXT: Just some encouragement. You guys at Adobe are smart and I know you can put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"I just saw a Video this morning after reading Dvorak's article that IE is now an albatross due to their loss to Eolas in December and the 11th of this month requiring a huge change to ActiveX control interaction.The video was a cross link and discussed the lack of real 3D with texturing etc. (DirectX) in Flash and a hint that "our technology you can't do on a browser".Well, you can in an ActiveX control but now that's Screwed :-)So Vista WinFX and the Macintosh "Viewer" (i.e. not designer app) will be this coming "Headon Collision between Adobe and Microsoft".I just want to encourage the FLEX and Flash 9 developers to try and bust Mickeysoft's bubble when it comes to the fact that they are an old man who is slowly dying -- they will be kept alive for a long time by their Cash Reserve which, some say has a lot of money in it through dirty tricks -- but in the end, I believe Adobe will come out ahead.Again, the FLEX group and FLASH group are full of very smart guys enough so to put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"-r-r Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
yes, but if you can run flash in director, you should be able to run director in flash. Of course, the developer could just use the iframe trick. On 4/28/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did that in another product, Director, and it runs hardware accelerated 3D on the web. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista PRE-TEXT: Just some encouragement. You guys at Adobe are smart and I know you can put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension? I just saw a Video this morning after reading Dvorak's article that IE is now an albatross due to their loss to Eolas in December and the 11th of this month requiring a huge change to ActiveX control interaction. The video was a cross link and discussed the lack of real 3D with texturing etc. (DirectX) in Flash and a hint that our technology you can't do on a browser.Well, you can in an ActiveX control but now that's Screwed :-) So Vista WinFX and the Macintosh Viewer (i.e. not designer app) will be this coming Headon Collision between Adobe and Microsoft.I just want to encourage the FLEX and Flash 9 developers to try and bust Mickeysoft's bubble when it comes to the fact that they are an old man who is slowly dying -- they will be kept alive for a long time by their Cash Reserve which, some say has a lot of money in it through dirty tricks -- but in the end, I believe Adobe will come out ahead. Again, the FLEX group and FLASH group are full of very smart guys enough so to put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension? -r-r Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
Director's engine supports embedding ActiveX controls whereas Flash does not. Director is a more heavyweight plugin as consequence whereas Flash Player is significantly lighter and more ubiquitious as a result. There is a tradeoff to filesize, and embedding is not necessarely mutually exclusive. - Original Message - From: Dominick Accattato To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista yes, but if you can run flash in director, you should be able to run director in flash. Of course, the developer could just use the iframe trick. On 4/28/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did that in another product, Director, and it runs hardware accelerated 3D on the web. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista PRE-TEXT: Just some encouragement. You guys at Adobe are smart and I know you can put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?" I just saw a Video this morning after reading Dvorak's article that IE is now an albatross due to their loss to Eolas in December and the 11th of this month requiring a huge change to ActiveX control interaction. The video was a cross link and discussed the lack of real 3D with texturing etc. (DirectX) in Flash and a hint that "our technology you can't do on a browser".Well, you can in an ActiveX control but now that's Screwed :-) So Vista WinFX and the Macintosh "Viewer" (i.e. not designer app) will be this coming "Headon Collision between Adobe and Microsoft".I just want to encourage the FLEX and Flash 9 developers to try and bust Mickeysoft's bubble when it comes to the fact that they are an old man who is slowly dying -- they will be kept alive for a long time by their Cash Reserve which, some say has a lot of money in it through dirty tricks -- but in the end, I believe Adobe will come out ahead. Again, the FLEX group and FLASH group are full of very smart guys enough so to put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?" -r-r Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
Yeah, but can you make it integrated in Flash.I hate Director development.What sucks is that the new Sparkle Designer is awesome; and it's a damn shame to have to use anything Microsoft. They've just done too many low-down things...I need to stop myself there.JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did that in another product, Director, and it runs hardware accelerated 3D on the web. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista PRE-TEXT: Just some encouragement. You guys at Adobe are smart and I know you can put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"I just saw a Video this morning after reading Dvorak's article that IE is now an albatross due to their loss to Eolas in December and the 11th of this month requiring a huge change to ActiveX control interaction.The video was a cross link and discussed the lack of real 3D with texturing etc. (DirectX) in Flash and a hint that "our technology you can't do on a browser".Well, you can in an ActiveX control but now that's Screwed :-)So Vista WinFX and the Macintosh "Viewer" (i.e. not designer app) will be this coming "Headon Collision between Adobe and Microsoft".I just want to encourage the FLEX and Flash 9 developers to try and bust Mickeysoft's bubble when it comes to the fact that they are an old man who is slowly dying -- they will be kept alive for a long time by their Cash Reserve which, some say has a lot of money in it through dirty tricks -- but in the end, I believe Adobe will come out ahead.Again, the FLEX group and FLASH group are full of very smart guys enough so to put in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal Flash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"-r-r Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
That's the whole point -- I know you guys can do it...as the headlines say Adobe and Mickeysoft are on a head-on collision and I hope MS gets their butt kicked (I have my reasons).JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Director's engine supports embedding ActiveX controls whereas Flash does not. Director is a more heavyweight plugin as consequence whereas Flash Player is significantly lighter and more ubiquitious as a result. There is a tradeoff to filesize, and embedding is not necessarely mutually exclusive. - Original Message - From: Dominick Accattato To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista yes, but if you can run flash in director, you should be able to run director in flash. Of course, the developer could just use the iframe trick. On 4/28/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:They did that in another product, Director, andit runs hardware accelerated 3D on the web. - Original Message -From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9MS comments about Flash re Vista PRE-TEXT:Just some encouragement. You guys at Adobe are smart and I know you canput in a DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normalFlash Player, something that says "This site includes high-end real timegraphics; do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"I just saw a Video this morning after reading Dvorak's articlethat IE is now an albatross due to their loss to Eolas in December and the11th of this month requiring a huge change to ActiveX control interaction.The video was a cross link and discussed the lack of real 3D withtexturing etc. (DirectX) in Flash and a hint that "our technology you can't doon a browser".Well, you can in an ActiveX control but now that'sScrewed :-) So Vista WinFX and the Macintosh "Viewer" (i.e. notdesigner app) will be this coming "Headon Collision between Adobe andMicrosoft".I just want to encourage the FLEX and Flash 9 developers totry and bust Mickeysoft's bubble when it comes to the fact that they are anold man who is slowly dying -- they will be kept alive for a long time bytheir Cash Reserve which, some say has a lot of money in it through dirtytricks -- but in the end, I believe Adobe will come out ahead. Again,the FLEX group and FLASH group are full of very smart guys enough so to put ina DirectX like API that is perhaps a triggered add-on to the normal FlashPlayer, something that says "This site includes high-end real time graphics;do you want to download the OpenGL Flash Player support extension?"-r-r Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls forridiculously low rates. --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearchArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSOREDLINKS Web site design developmentComputer software developmentSoftware design and development Macromedia flexSoftware development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Blab-away for as little as 1ยข/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
WinFX for the Mac, you have seen it in real life? I haven't. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenGL vs DirectX / Vista vs. Flash Player 9 MS comments about Flash re Vista
As Jesse noted, the Shockwave Player's 3D engine can take advantage of hardware acceleration (if available) for its realtime rendering, and over half of all consumers tested already have this ability on their machines. SWF files also integrate nicely into Shockwave work. (The new Acrobat 3D also has a realtime 3D rendering engine, and I believe it can take advantage of any available hardware acceleration, but I'd have to doublecheck that last detail. SWF integration is possible now, but I expect will improve further in the future.) yes, but if you can run flash in director, you should be able to run director in flash. No, Shockwave Player has a extensibility mechanism and can accommodate additional renderers, but this is part of why the download size is larger, adoption rate slower. (Oh, I see, reading more of the thread, Jesse covered that too, I need more coffee ;-) jd -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
