Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Jon Stockill
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Cameron Moore wrote:

 I guess _my_ question in regard to rsync is how much would rsync
 actually help in our case.  If a tile is changed -- say we fixed a
 runway or something -- would a diff accomplish anything since we have
 binary scenery files that are also gzipped?  Would the rolling checksums
 that rsync does all end up being different, so we are always downloading
 the entire file anyway?  If this is the case, then rsync's main
 advantage is worthless to us.

Having used rsync to transfer 650MB cd images I can say that it DOES help
a lot - having it download the new one in 10 minutes after a few minor
changes at the other end is rather impressive on a 512Kb/s DSL line.

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re: [Flightgear-devel] model animation bug

2002-12-06 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes:

  It looks like the animation code fails to move a group object if
  one of it's subobjects is identified in a object selection tag.

When you add a new animation, the animation code slices a new
ssgBranch of some kind between the existing node and its parent --
that should never cause any problem.  If, however, you specify several
nodes for the same animation, all but the first will be moved to the
new ssgBranch.  So if you have

  animation
   typetranslate/type
   object-nameFoo/object-name
   object-nameBar/object-name
   ...
  /animation

  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-nameHack/object-name
   object-nameBar/object-name
   ...
  /animation

The Bar object will be be reparented first to the ssgBranch above Foo,
then to the ssgBranch above Hack (losing the 'translate' animation).
You can work around this problem with

  animation
   typetranslate/type
   object-nameFoo/object-name
   object-nameBar/object-name
   ...
  /animation

  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-nameHack/object-name
   ...
  /animation

  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-nameBar/object-name
   ...
  /animation

If you specify only one object-name, the object should always stay in
the same group.  That's slightly less efficient, but if you picture
the way the animation code modifies the tree, you'll be able to figure
out when you really need it and when you don't.


All the best,


David

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO

2002-12-06 Thread David Megginson
Ryan Larson writes:

  I flew an Arrow-III up to Minneapolis and back this past weekend.  Even with
  a CAS of 135 kts, I had a GS of about 80-88 kts the whole way up to
  Minneapolis at 6000 feet because of a cold front moving through.  On the way
  back, I had a great tailwind and at 9000 feet I was at 130 kts CAS and 194
  kts GS.  With a top speed of 217 kts GS on a descent from 9000 to
  7000 feet.

Interesting.  That's why people will pay for an extra few knots -- if
you're flying into a 60kt headwind, a 120kt airplane is 1.5 times as
fast as a 100kt airplane, for example.

  If you have an idea of what types of numbers you would like to get in terms
  of performance data.. I can try and get some on the Arrow and an Archer.  I
  also have manuals for the Arrow and the Archer if that would be helpful.  Do
  we have a central place we could store this stuff?

Jon collects aero data at the JSBSim site.

  Anyway.. congrats on the purchase.  It looks like a nice
  plane.. wish I had the guts to pull the trigger and buy my own
  plane, but with the job market the way it is.. I can't afford to
  make that purchase right now.

Yes, I'm nervous as well, but you can look at it this way: a VFR
1960's PA-28-140 doesn't cost much more than new minivan, either to
buy or to operate.


All the best,


David

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread David Megginson
Cameron Moore writes:

  The biggest difference between rsync and HTTP is that rsync downloads
  diffs[1] while HTTP must download the entire file.  This is a big plus
  for people with slow connections.

  I guess _my_ question in regard to rsync is how much would rsync
  actually help in our case.  If a tile is changed -- say we fixed a
  runway or something -- would a diff accomplish anything since we have
  binary scenery files that are also gzipped?  Would the rolling checksums
  that rsync does all end up being different, so we are always downloading
  the entire file anyway?  If this is the case, then rsync's main
  advantage is worthless to us.

Agreed -- it is.


All the best,


David

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO

2002-12-06 Thread David Megginson
Cameron Moore writes:

  For those of you that haven't been here for long, the same David
  Megginson made the following post back in April about his disappointing
  first training flight:
  
... I'd say that there's a 55% chance I won't continue flying ...
http://mail.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2002-April/006392.html
  
  Congrats, David.  You inspire us.  :-)

Thanks -- I've been thinking a lot about that posting, and about all
the help and support I got from the list after that.  Ownership scares
me about as much now as flying did then.


All the best,


David

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO

2002-12-06 Thread David Megginson
David Megginson writes:

I flew an Arrow-III up to Minneapolis and back this past
weekend.  Even with a CAS of 135 kts, I had a GS of about 80-88
kts the whole way up to Minneapolis at 6000 feet because of a
cold front moving through.  On the way back, I had a great
tailwind and at 9000 feet I was at 130 kts CAS and 194 kts GS.
With a top speed of 217 kts GS on a descent from 9000 to 7000
feet.
  
  Interesting.  That's why people will pay for an extra few knots -- if
  you're flying into a 60kt headwind, a 120kt airplane is 1.5 times as
  fast as a 100kt airplane, for example.

Oh, yeah, and you get your money back (with some interest) when you
sell it in 10 or 20 years, while you might have to pay someone to toy
the minivan away to the junk yard.  I wouldn't choose a plane purely
as an investment -- there's too much volatility for an average return
of only about 7%/year over the past couple of decades (and flat over
the past year or so) -- but given the markets since 2001, even if the
plane just holds its current value it will be doing considerably
better than my retirement investments.  If you want to call it a fun
401K with wings, go for it.


All the best,


David

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Cameron Moore writes:
 We would need to preserve the timestamp for the 302 code stuff to work.
 
 The biggest difference between rsync and HTTP is that rsync downloads
 diffs[1] while HTTP must download the entire file.  This is a big plus
 for people with slow connections.
 
 I guess _my_ question in regard to rsync is how much would rsync
 actually help in our case.  If a tile is changed -- say we fixed a
 runway or something -- would a diff accomplish anything since we have
 binary scenery files that are also gzipped?  Would the rolling checksums
 that rsync does all end up being different, so we are always downloading
 the entire file anyway?  If this is the case, then rsync's main
 advantage is worthless to us.
 
 [1] ftp://rsync.samba.org/pub/rsync/tech_report.ps

My bet is that if we change a tile it will likely have to retransfer
the whole thing, especially since we are compressing the files on
disk.

But to me, the main feature of rsync is that it does everything and I
don't have to think about how it works or reimpliment it myself. :-)

Regards,

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Christian Mayer
Cameron Moore wrote:
 
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Megginson) [2002.12.05 09:45]:
  Christian Mayer writes:
 
The missing functionality is the ability to figure out if the tile has
changed IIRC.
   
But that'n no problem - HTTP already supports that. IIRC it send's a
status code of 302 if the reqested data didn't change...
 
  Exactly -- as long as the files are available unpacked in the standard
  directory structure via HTTP, everything should work just the same.
 
 We would need to preserve the timestamp for the 302 code stuff to work.

that's no big deal

 I guess _my_ question in regard to rsync is how much would rsync
 actually help in our case.  If a tile is changed -- say we fixed a
 runway or something -- would a diff accomplish anything since we have
 binary scenery files that are also gzipped?  Would the rolling checksums
 that rsync does all end up being different, so we are always downloading
 the entire file anyway?  If this is the case, then rsync's main
 advantage is worthless to us.

I doubt that. 

As mentioned before: for a CD image where only a few files change (and
those are hidden somewhere inbetween 640 MB) it's very well suited. 
But we've got a directory structure that gets mirrored on the client
and there are only a few files in it that change - and those files
probably change completely.

CU,
Christian

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Christian Mayer
Tony Peden wrote:
 
  FTP is a horrible protocol. As firewall admin you've got the problem
  that FTP decides dynamically what port it uses for data transfer. So you
  have to open quite a few ports.
 
 In pasv mode (settable from the client) it uses only one ...

For the SuSE update I din't find that option (probably didn't look long
enough...)

 
 
  Dunno if that's the problem of the NAT part, but I can't reliably use
  FTP from my normal computer as packets get filterd at my
  router/firewall. This is already quite bad (e.g. for the SuSE auto
  update) so we should do it better. And we should help to get rid of FTP.
 
 2.4 Linux kernels don't seem to have any trouble with it...

My firewall runs under 2.4 with iptables... I can send you the script
that sets it up, so you might discover if I made a mistake somewhere.

  PS: FTP also transferes passwords in plaintext to make things even
  worse...
 
 And http doesn't?

scp doesn't. And http can be exchanged by https. 
If there's a secure FTP my client probably can't handle it anyway.


CU,
Christian

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO

2002-12-06 Thread Gene Buckle
  legal ownership, but it is parked safely at the flying club waiting
  for me.  I am quite impressed with the handling compared to the 172's
  I've flown.  Here are some pics:
 
http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/

 For those of you that haven't been here for long, the same David
 Megginson made the following post back in April about his disappointing
 first training flight:

   ... I'd say that there's a 55% chance I won't continue flying ...
   http://mail.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2002-April/006392.html

 Congrats, David.  You inspire us.  :-)

...and the Siren of Flight forever snatched poor David from the surly
bonds of Earth... :)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Erik Hofman
Christian Mayer wrote:


If there's a secure FTP my client probably can't handle it anyway.


sftp and sftpd are part of the OpenSSH package.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Tony Peden

--- Christian Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tony Peden wrote:
  
   FTP is a horrible protocol. As firewall admin you've got the
 problem
   that FTP decides dynamically what port it uses for data transfer.
 So you
   have to open quite a few ports.
  
  In pasv mode (settable from the client) it uses only one ...
 
 For the SuSE update I din't find that option (probably didn't look
 long
 enough...)

Most clients have it.  A client embedded in a gui may not (if that's
what you've got)

 
  
  
   Dunno if that's the problem of the NAT part, but I can't reliably
 use
   FTP from my normal computer as packets get filterd at my
   router/firewall. This is already quite bad (e.g. for the SuSE
 auto
   update) so we should do it better. And we should help to get rid
 of FTP.
  
  2.4 Linux kernels don't seem to have any trouble with it...
 
 My firewall runs under 2.4 with iptables... I can send you the script
 that sets it up, so you might discover if I made a mistake somewhere.

I think you want to use the newer ipchains ... I'll check and send you
mine.

 
   PS: FTP also transferes passwords in plaintext to make things
 even
   worse...
  
  And http doesn't?
 
 scp doesn't.

Yes, but that requires ssh, AFAIK.

 And http can be exchanged by https. 

True enough.

 If there's a secure FTP my client probably can't handle it anyway.

The only one I know of isn't really ftp but sftp that comes with ssh.

 
 
 CU,
 Christian
 
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[Flightgear-devel] Error linking js_demo.exe

2002-12-06 Thread Paul Deppe
With the latest PLIB CVS joystick library, I get the following error when
linking js_demo.exe (Cygwin/Win2k/gcc3.2):

g++  -O2  -L/usr/local/lib -o js_demo.exe
 js_demo.o -lplibsl -lplibsm -lwinmm -lplibjs -lplibul -lm
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.2/../../../libplibjs.a(jsWindows.o)(.text+
0x36
9):jsWindows.cxx: undefined reference to `_joyGetDevCapsA@12'
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.2/../../../libplibjs.a(jsWindows.o)(.text+
0x6e
c):jsWindows.cxx: undefined reference to `_joyGetPosEx@8'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

FG itself links fine so this is not a big issue.

Paul

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:30:32 -0800 (PST), 
Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 --- Christian Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tony Peden wrote:

  My firewall runs under 2.4 with iptables... I can send you the
  script that sets it up, so you might discover if I made a mistake
  somewhere.
 
 I think you want to use the newer ipchains ... I'll check and send you
 mine.

..uhmmm, in ipcop.org, we're actually moving from ipchains and the 
2.2 kernels.  But running ipchains with a 2.4 works fine if you accept
loosing some of the neat stuff.  ;-) 

  
PS: FTP also transferes passwords in plaintext to make things
even worse...
   
   And http doesn't?
  
  scp doesn't.
 
 Yes, but that requires ssh, AFAIK.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Tony Peden
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 13:12, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:30:32 -0800 (PST), 
 Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  
  --- Christian Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Tony Peden wrote:
 
   My firewall runs under 2.4 with iptables... I can send you the
   script that sets it up, so you might discover if I made a mistake
   somewhere.
  
  I think you want to use the newer ipchains ... I'll check and send you
  mine.
 
 ..uhmmm, in ipcop.org, we're actually moving from ipchains and the 
 2.2 kernels.  But running ipchains with a 2.4 works fine if you accept
 loosing some of the neat stuff.  ;-) 

Yes, thank you. Since they change with every kernel, I always get them
confused.

 
   
 PS: FTP also transferes passwords in plaintext to make things
 even worse...

And http doesn't?
   
   scp doesn't.
  
  Yes, but that requires ssh, AFAIK.
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[Flightgear-devel] FW: [Plib-devel] Compile errors with new ssg

2002-12-06 Thread Paul Deppe
Forwarded from PLIB-Devel list:

-Original Message-
From: Steve Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Plib-devel] Compile errors with new ssg


Paul Deppe wrote:

 With the latest chnages to SSG, the following error occurs when compiling
 src/Objects/obj.cxx from FlightGear (Cygwin/Win2k/gcc3.2):

 if

+ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src/Include -I../.. -I../../src  -I/usr/l
 ocal/include  -O2 -MT obj.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/obj.Tpo \
   -c -o obj.o `test -f 'obj.cxx' || echo './'`obj.cxx; \
 then mv .deps/obj.Tpo .deps/obj.Po; \
 else rm -f .deps/obj.Tpo; exit 1; \
 fi
 obj.cxx: In member function `void LeafUserData::setup_triangle(int)':
 obj.cxx:625: cannot allocate an object of type `DummyBSphereEntity'
 obj.cxx:625:   because the following virtual functions are abstract:
 /usr/include/plib/ssg.h:1175:   virtual void ssgEntity::getStats(int*,
int*,
int*, int*)
 obj.cxx: In function `void gen_random_surface_objects(ssgLeaf*,
ssgBranch*,
Point3D*, const std::string)':
 obj.cxx:764: cannot allocate an object of type `DummyBSphereEntity'
 obj.cxx:764:   since type `DummyBSphereEntity' has abstract virtual
 functions
 make[2]: *** [obj.o] Error 1

 obj.cxx hasn't changed since 11/25/02 so this seems to be PLIB-related.

It sounds like FGFS is creating a derived class of an ssgEntity that
is neither an ssgBranch nor an ssgLeaf.   If that's the case then I
strongly disapprove.

If that's the case then we should put this down to poor design in
FGFS.  CHange it to derive from either a leaf or a branch.

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[Flightgear-devel] Re: ld: Undefined symbols error linking fgfs 0.9.1

2002-12-06 Thread David Drum
I sent this to flightgear-users a couple days ago when 0.9.0 was out.
No response.  The same thing is happening now with 0.9.1, fresh compile
of plib, metakit, and simgear (0.3.1).  Still looking for help.  Thanks.

Quoth David Drum:

 I am compiling FG 0.9.1 on Mac OS X.  The final link fails, it appears
 I am missing one or more libraries, but I cannot find any reference
 to them in plib, metakit, simgear, flightgear, opengl, or glut.
 Could someone help me out?  Thanks.
 
 # 
 # /Users/david/FlightGear/FlightGear-0.9.1 contains all the required sources,
 # i.e. plib, metakit, simgear and flightgear, and is the value I passed to
 # --prefix when running ./configure during all compiles
 # 
 # /Users/david/FlightGear/FlightGear-0.9.1/FlightGear-0.9.1 is the actual
 # source tree
 # 
 # cwd = /Users/david/FlightGear/FlightGear-0.9.1/FlightGear-0.9.1/src/Main
 # 
 $ g++ -DPKGLIBDIR=\/Users/david/FlightGear/FlightGear-0.9.1/lib/FlightGear\ -g -O2 
 -L/sw/lib -L/Users/david/FlightGear/FlightGear-0.9.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o fgfs  
main.o fg_commands.o fg_init.o fg_io.o fg_props.o fgfs.o globals.o logger.o options.o 
splash.o util.o viewer.o viewmgr.o location.o ../../src/Aircraft/libAircraft.a 
../../src/ATC/libATC.a ../../src/Autopilot/libAutopilot.a 
../../src/Cockpit/libCockpit.a ../../src/Cockpit/built_in/libBuilt_in.a 
../../src/Controls/libControls.a ../../src/FDM/libFlight.a 
../../src/FDM/Balloon/libBalloon.a ../../src/FDM/ExternalNet/libExternalNet.a 
../../src/FDM/JSBSim/libJSBSim.a ../../src/FDM/YASim/libYASim.a 
../../src/FDM/JSBSim/filtersjb/libfiltersjb.a ../../src/FDM/LaRCsim/libLaRCsim.a 
../../src/FDM/UIUCModel/libUIUCModel.a ../../src/GUI/libGUI.a 
../../src/Input/libInput.a ../../src/Instrumentation/libInstrumentation.a 
../../src/Model/libModel.a ../../src/Navaids/libNavaids.a 
../../src/Scenery/libScenery.a ../../src/Sound/libSound.a 
../../src/Airports/libAirports.a ../../src/Network/libNetwork.a 
../../src/NetworkOLK/libNetworkOLK.a ../../src/Objects/libObjects.a 
../../src/Systems/libSystems.a ../../src/Time/libTime.a 
../../src/Environment/libEnvironment.a -lsgroute -lsgsky -lsgclouds3d -lsgephem 
-lsgtiming -lsgio -lsgscreen -lsgmath -lsgbucket -lsgdebug -lsgmagvar -lsgmisc 
-lsgxml -lsgserial  -lplibpu -lplibfnt -lplibjs -lplibnet -lplibssg -lplibsg -lplibul 
-lmk4 -lz -lglut -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lpthread -lm   
-lm
 ld: warning suggest use of -bind_at_load, as lazy binding may result in errors or 
different symbols being used
 symbol _ceilf used from dynamic library /usr/lib/libpthread.dylib(ceilfloor.o) not 
from earlier dynamic library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.1.dylib(mycode.o)
 symbol _floorf used from dynamic library /usr/lib/libpthread.dylib(ceilfloor.o) not 
from earlier dynamic library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.1.dylib(mycode.o)
 ld: Undefined symbols:
 _CPSEnableForegroundOperation
 _CPSGetCurrentProcess
 _CPSSetFrontProcess
 _CPSSetProcessName
 slScheduler::loopSample(slSample*, int, slPreemptMode, int, void (*)(slSample*, 
slEvent, int))
 slScheduler::playSample(slSample*, int, slPreemptMode, int, void (*)(slSample*, 
slEvent, int))
 slScheduler::realUpdate(int)
 slScheduler::stopSample(slSample*, int)
 slScheduler::pauseSample(slSample*, int)
 slScheduler::resumeSample(slSample*, int)
 slScheduler::setMaxConcurrent(int)
 slScheduler::addSampleEnvelope(slSample*, int, int, slEnvelope*, slEnvelopeType)
 slScheduler::init()
 slScheduler::~slScheduler [in-charge]()
 slDSP::open(char const*, int, int, int)
 slDSP::close()
 smMixer::smMixer[in-charge]()
 smMixer::~smMixer [in-charge]()
 slSample::loadFile(char const*)
 slSample::autoMatch(slDSP const*)
 ___slPendingError
 ssgVtxTable::ssgVtxTable[in-charge](unsigned, ssgVertexArray*, ssgNormalArray*, 
ssgTexCoordArray*, ssgColourArray*)
 gen_leaf(std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar  
const, unsigned long, std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, 
std::allocatorchar  const, std::vectorPoint3D, std::allocatorPoint3D  const, 
std::vectorPoint3D, std::allocatorPoint3D  const, std::vectorPoint3D, 
std::allocatorPoint3D  const, std::vectorint, std::allocatorint  const, 
std::vectorint, std::allocatorint  const, std::vectorint, std::allocatorint  
const, bool, ssgVertexArray*)
 _CGLGetCurrentContext

Regards,

David K. Drum
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Error linking js_demo.exe

2002-12-06 Thread Norman Vine
Paul Deppe

 With the latest PLIB CVS joystick library, I get the following error when
 linking js_demo.exe (Cygwin/Win2k/gcc3.2):
 
 g++  -O2  -L/usr/local/lib -o js_demo.exe
  js_demo.o -lplibsl -lplibsm -lwinmm -lplibjs -lplibul -lm
 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.2/../../../libplibjs.a(jsWindows.o)(.text+
 0x36
 9):jsWindows.cxx: undefined reference to `_joyGetDevCapsA@12'
 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.2/../../../libplibjs.a(jsWindows.o)(.text+
 0x6e
 c):jsWindows.cxx: undefined reference to `_joyGetPosEx@8'
 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Try changing the xxx_LDADD lines in Makefile.am to

js_demo_LDADD = -lplibjs -lplibul $(audio_LIBS)
fgjs_LDADD = -lplibjs -lplibul $(audio_LIBS)

Unlike unix link order matters with Windows

Cheers

Norman

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync

2002-12-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 06 Dec 2002 15:14:36 -0800, 
Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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 On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 13:12, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
  On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:30:32 -0800 (PST), 
  Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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   --- Christian Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony Peden wrote:
  
My firewall runs under 2.4 with iptables... I can send you the
script that sets it up, so you might discover if I made a
mistake somewhere.
   
   I think you want to use the newer ipchains ... I'll check and send
   you mine.
  
  ..uhmmm, in ipcop.org, we're actually moving from ipchains and the 
  2.2 kernels.  But running ipchains with a 2.4 works fine if you
  accept loosing some of the neat stuff.  ;-) 
 
 Yes, thank you. Since they change with every kernel, I always get them
 confused.

..that tradition breaks with 2.5/2.6 (or is it 3.0?)  ;-)

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.



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