Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear and hardware: mailinglist created

2004-05-30 Thread John Wojnaroski



  On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
  Gene Buckle wrote:
 
  And then... simpits is not fgfs specific. Most discussions tend to be
  fighter pit based and mostly on MSFS or Falcon.
 

 There's not a whole lot of FGFS discussion because it's not a drop and go
 solution like MSFS or Falcon (and soon to be Lock On: Modern Air Combat)
 is.  If it was easier for non-programmer types to interface to, I'm sure
 more people would use it.  Having a FlightGear cockpit evangelist wouldn't
 hurt either. :)

Two aspects to the problem:
1) Not a good interface for hardware, and not much of a demand to design one
(kind of the chicken and egg argument)

2) and trying to design one can be a little exasperating. The code keeps
changing and things get broken. (e.g, I was working on a 747 braking system
and now I see in release 0.9.4 the control interface has reverted to a
single left brake and right brake -- go figure). I've got an interface card
that runs with a linux driver, but it's not a direct connect to FG. Seems FG
needs something akin to the EPIC cards and a defined, stable, and backward
compatible interface definition.
Besides we're running out of keystrokes ;-)

Kind of doubt if FG and cockpit builders will ever reach critical mass

Regards
John W.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear and hardware: mailinglist created

2004-04-30 Thread Gene Buckle
You could've saved yourself the effort and joined the simpits-tech mailing
list at http://www.simpits.org.  There's over 300 people on the list.

g.


On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Manuel Bessler wrote:

 Hi all,

 I've created a mailinglist for those of us who build hardware,
 homecockpits and such.
 Although it is primarily targetted at those people who use
 flightgear, discussing how to hook up your hardware to other sims
 is also ok.
 (There are already tons of forums and mailinglists for the M$FS hardware
 builder crowds out there already, so this list will probably be pretty
 much fgfs centric)

 We have talked about this in the past on flightgear-devel, but hardware
 related threads pop up only very occasionally, so I thought this new
 list might be a more 'on topic' for us who just want to share their
 latest success stories, DIY yokes, homecockpit pics and so on.

 Of course, you don't have to be building anything to join.

 I hope that this list will be a good place to share the newest advances
 in home cockpit building :-)

 The temporary address of the list is
 http://m18s17.vlinux.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sim-hardware

 you can also subscribe by sending a mail to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Have fun,
 Manuel

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear and hardware: mailinglist created

2004-04-30 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
Gene Buckle wrote:

 You could've saved yourself the effort and joined the simpits-tech
 mailing list at http://www.simpits.org.  There's over 300 people on
 the list.

I AM on that list :) 
I've even posted a few times.

Since I now have my own server with full access, I thought I might as
well set up mailman, might come in handy someday :)

And then... simpits is not fgfs specific. Most discussions tend to be
fighter pit based and mostly on MSFS or Falcon.


Manuel 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear and hardware: mailinglist created

2004-04-30 Thread Gene Buckle
 On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
 Gene Buckle wrote:

  You could've saved yourself the effort and joined the simpits-tech
  mailing list at http://www.simpits.org.  There's over 300 people on
  the list.

 I AM on that list :)
 I've even posted a few times.

 Since I now have my own server with full access, I thought I might as
 well set up mailman, might come in handy someday :)

Hehehe.

 And then... simpits is not fgfs specific. Most discussions tend to be
 fighter pit based and mostly on MSFS or Falcon.


There's not a whole lot of FGFS discussion because it's not a drop and go
solution like MSFS or Falcon (and soon to be Lock On: Modern Air Combat)
is.  If it was easier for non-programmer types to interface to, I'm sure
more people would use it.  Having a FlightGear cockpit evangelist wouldn't
hurt either. :)

g.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear and hardware: mailinglist created

2004-04-30 Thread Al West
On Friday 30 April 2004 18:45, Gene Buckle wrote:
  Gene Buckle wrote:
   You could've saved yourself the effort and joined the simpits-tech
   mailing list at http://www.simpits.org.  There's over 300 people on
   the list.
 
  I AM on that list :)
  I've even posted a few times.
 

AOLMe too/AOL

  And then... simpits is not fgfs specific. Most discussions tend to be
  fighter pit based and mostly on MSFS or Falcon.

 There's not a whole lot of FGFS discussion because it's not a drop and go
 solution like MSFS or Falcon (and soon to be Lock On: Modern Air Combat)
 is.  If it was easier for non-programmer types to interface to, I'm sure
 more people would use it.  Having a FlightGear cockpit evangelist wouldn't
 hurt either. :)


The thing is though us FGFS guys would want to talk about things that 
programmer types like to talk about and I think it would potentially bore or 
confuse the current SimPits list group.  IMHO one great thing about the net 
is the choice (either that you have, or your influence on others ;-)).  
So I think the more the better.

Cheers,
Al
  

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear and hardware: mailinglist created

2004-04-30 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:03:53 +0100
Al West wrote:

  There's not a whole lot of FGFS discussion because it's not a drop
  and go solution like MSFS or Falcon (and soon to be Lock On: Modern
  Air Combat) is.  If it was easier for non-programmer types to
  interface to, I'm sure more people would use it.  Having a
  FlightGear cockpit evangelist wouldn't hurt either. :)
 
 
 The thing is though us FGFS guys would want to talk about things that 
 programmer types like to talk about and I think it would potentially
 bore or confuse the current SimPits list group.  IMHO one great thing

Totally agree. The level on some other forums I also frequent is
often not very high. There are a lot of non-tech people trying to
build their own cockpit. For them it ususally starts out as a huge
learning experience, esp. in the electronics field.


 about the net is the choice (either that you have, or your influence
 on others ;-)).  So I think the more the better.


Manuel

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