Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is fine, but there is no information on that site that I could use -- I can find out that there is a WLAN in the terminal buildings and that they now have facilities to do major overhauls on the A320 family (in addition to the 737), but nothing about the airport itself -- no map or anything. There is a gallery, but it doesn't show a single aerial view. I can find nothing anywhere else suggesting a new runway at Ferihegy. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
David Megginson wrote: Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is fine, but there is no information on that site that I could use -- I can find out that there is a WLAN in the terminal buildings and that they now have facilities to do major overhauls on the A320 family (in addition to the 737), but nothing about the airport itself -- no map or anything. There is a gallery, but it doesn't show a single aerial view. I can find nothing anywhere else suggesting a new runway at Ferihegy. If there was any, it should be in the DAFIFT data. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
David Megginson writes: Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is fine, but there is no information on that site that I could use -- I can find out that there is a WLAN in the terminal buildings and that they now have facilities to do major overhauls on the A320 family (in addition to the 737), but nothing about the airport itself -- no map or anything. There is a gallery, but it doesn't show a single aerial view. I can find nothing anywhere else suggesting a new runway at Ferihegy. Landing on taxiways or even at the wrong airport is not completely without precident. Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
I can find nothing anywhere else suggesting a new runway at Ferihegy. Landing on taxiways or even at the wrong airport is not completely without precident. LOL... I can assure you it was the right airport, and given that no reversers and only little wheelbrake was used, the runway must have been quite long, certainly longer than the taxiway in that direction. The crew was quite professional, the landing was exceptionally smooth given that it was an A319 and we had a fair amount of crosswind. The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would have required a 140deg turn which I wouldn't have missed. Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Major A writes: LOL... I can assure you it was the right airport, and given that no reversers and only little wheelbrake was used, the runway must have been quite long, certainly longer than the taxiway in that direction. The crew was quite professional, the landing was exceptionally smooth given that it was an A319 and we had a fair amount of crosswind. The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would have required a 140deg turn which I wouldn't have missed. Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I tried it on my last flight. Next time I'll have to find a laptop and plug it into the serial port and watch where I am with Atlas. :-) Or if we could get that data to drive a DCS aircraft in FlightGear I could escort myself in the A4 ... until I ran out of fuel that is. Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I tried it on my last flight. Next time I'll have to find a laptop and plug it into the serial port and watch where I am with Atlas. :-) Well, put it against the window, then put your coat on it and pretend to sleep... I'll do that once I have a GPS (which sadly isn't now). I guess the waypoints stored by the GPS should give you a good idea of the route taken, I hope one can download that into the computer? Apropos GPS: check these out: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/297890/M/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/269193/M/ I guess the navigator never uses any of the old radar etc. equipment anymore... Or if we could get that data to drive a DCS aircraft in FlightGear I could escort myself in the A4 ... until I ran out of fuel that is. Damn, we haven't got a VC10 tanker model yet? Would be good to have in-flight refuelling really... Reminds me: once we have that going and have Vulcan and Victor models, we should get a LAN/WAN party together to fly a Black Buck mission! I bet you can't do that with any other commercial flight simulator any time soon. Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Major A writes: The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would have required a 140deg turn which I wouldn't have missed. Your body's sensations of turning and level flight are extremely unreliable without a good outside view, especially in an aircraft cabin with only a tiny side window. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I tried it on my last flight. Next time I'll have to find a laptop and plug it into the serial port and watch where I am with Atlas. :-) I flew commercially from Ottawa to Toronto/Buttonville last November in a Pilatus PC-12. I was in the front row, and I was following the IFR flight plan I'd memorized from the panel GPS display before the cockpit curtain was closed. My handheld Magellan 315 GPS with a customized aviation database (from DAFIF) is very small (about the size of a cell phone), and I didn't have it out until we were airbourne. The pilot must have noticed, however, because in the middle of the flight he opened the curtain, turned back, and asked me if I could get him a groundspeed reading (perhaps he wanted to confirm the display on his panel-mounted GPS). All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would have required a 140deg turn which I wouldn't have missed. Your body's sensations of turning and level flight are extremely unreliable without a good outside view, especially in an aircraft cabin with only a tiny side window. That's what I thought, but the sky was clear and we could see all the lights on the ground. I can even remember crossing the main road that leads to the airport -- it's west of the airport and pretty much parallel to the 13/31 runways. Damn, I should have asked the captain. Still puzzled... Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I tried it on my last flight. Next time I'll have to find a laptop and plug it into the serial port and watch where I am with Atlas. :-) I flew commercially from Ottawa to Toronto/Buttonville last November in a Pilatus PC-12. I was in the front row, and I was following the IFR flight plan I'd memorized from the panel GPS display before the cockpit curtain was closed. My handheld Magellan 315 GPS with a customized aviation database (from DAFIF) is very small (about the size of a cell phone), and I didn't have it out until we were airbourne. The pilot must have noticed, however, because in the middle of the flight he opened the curtain, turned back, and asked me if I could get him a groundspeed reading (perhaps he wanted to confirm the display on his panel-mounted GPS). Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? CU, Christian -- The idea is to die young as late as possible.-- Ashley Montague ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Christian Mayer writes: David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I tried it on my last flight. Next time I'll have to find a laptop and plug it into the serial port and watch where I am with Atlas. :-) I flew commercially from Ottawa to Toronto/Buttonville last November in a Pilatus PC-12. I was in the front row, and I was following the IFR flight plan I'd memorized from the panel GPS display before the cockpit curtain was closed. My handheld Magellan 315 GPS with a customized aviation database (from DAFIF) is very small (about the size of a cell phone), and I didn't have it out until we were airbourne. The pilot must have noticed, however, because in the middle of the flight he opened the curtain, turned back, and asked me if I could get him a groundspeed reading (perhaps he wanted to confirm the display on his panel-mounted GPS). Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? Captain: Hey, can you hold onto the yoke for a few minutes, I need to run to the back and grab some pretzels. Push forward, trees get bigger, pull back, trees get smaller, left, right, yadda, yadda, you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly. But whatever you do, don't touch that big button over there. I think I'd go into the cabin and lock the door behind me. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... Or a savy customer relations staff that trains it's crews to make the passengers feel important :-) Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? Captain: Hey, can you hold onto the yoke for a few minutes, I need to run to the back and grab some pretzels. Push forward, trees get bigger, pull back, trees get smaller, left, right, yadda, yadda, you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly. But whatever you do, don't touch that big button over there. Great description... have you heard of the incident a while ago when a cargo plane carrying live animals nearly crashed because a monkey escaped from the cage and beat the crew out of the flight deck to take control itself? The crew reoccupied the flight deck after some time, though. The Aeroflot A320 wasn't that lucky... BTW, what big button are you referring to? I didn't know the PC-12 had missiles on board... I think I'd go into the cabin and lock the door behind me. :-) If only the PC-12 had a door rather than a curtain... Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Major A writes: I guess the navigator never uses any of the old radar etc. equipment anymore... The radar equipment is usually for weather, terrain, and traffic detection, not for primary navigation. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Major A writes: That's what I thought, but the sky was clear and we could see all the lights on the ground. If it was at night, then anything you saw was especially unreliable. Pilots have a hard time flying VFR at night even with a full view out the front, and everything you see looks different. You were probably just on the approach to 13L/R. I can even remember crossing the main road that leads to the airport -- it's west of the airport and pretty much parallel to the 13/31 runways. Are you sure you saw the right road? Again, it's *really* hard to do this at night. I found night circuits even within 2nm of the airport of my home town extremely challenging -- it was very hard to keep track of what was what. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? The PC-12 is supposed to be a very good plane. He was probably just being friendly, and decided that it wouldn't hurt to get a cross-check. I think that the first officer was the pilot flying; I should have just handed the GPS to the captain and let him play around with it for a while. Even if his GPS wasn't giving him groundspeed information (and I have no reason to believe that's the case), he could easily get it with his wristwatch by timing a leg between two waypoints; time, speed and distance problems are not rocket science (right, Jon?). All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
If it was at night, then anything you saw was especially unreliable. Pilots have a hard time flying VFR at night even with a full view out the front, and everything you see looks different. You were probably just on the approach to 13L/R. That would have taken us straight over the city, which certainly wasn't the case (the Danube is a very distinct landmark hard to mistake for anything else). I can even remember crossing the main road that leads to the airport -- it's west of the airport and pretty much parallel to the 13/31 runways. Are you sure you saw the right road? Again, it's *really* hard to do this at night. I found night circuits even within 2nm of the airport of my home town extremely challenging -- it was very hard to keep track of what was what. I can't be 100% sure of this one really. My guess now is that we flew straight above the airport using one of the two on-site VORs, then did a slow right-hand teardrop into 31L. It's all still very funny because it certainly was a non-standard approach (all standard IFR approaches I could find take you through the ERGOM fix into 13L/R), and LHBP has very strict rules for noise abatement and therefore doesn't normally allow deviations from normal procedures. Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:50, David Megginson wrote: Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? The PC-12 is supposed to be a very good plane. He was probably just being friendly, and decided that it wouldn't hurt to get a cross-check. I think that the first officer was the pilot flying; I should have just handed the GPS to the captain and let him play around with it for a while. Even if his GPS wasn't giving him groundspeed information (and I have no reason to believe that's the case), he could easily get it with his wristwatch by timing a leg between two waypoints; time, speed and distance problems are not rocket science (right, Jon?). Altitude and rate of change of DME ought to work too ... All the best, David -- Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 10:02, Tony Peden wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:50, David Megginson wrote: Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? The PC-12 is supposed to be a very good plane. He was probably just being friendly, and decided that it wouldn't hurt to get a cross-check. I think that the first officer was the pilot flying; I should have just handed the GPS to the captain and let him play around with it for a while. Even if his GPS wasn't giving him groundspeed information (and I have no reason to believe that's the case), he could easily get it with his wristwatch by timing a leg between two waypoints; time, speed and distance problems are not rocket science (right, Jon?). Altitude and rate of change of DME ought to work too ... That is assuming you are on a radial, of course. All the best, David -- Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Major A wrote: Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) Before 9/11 it was no problem at all - just ask a passing stewardess. After 9/11 I didn't dare (it was only 2-3 weeks later...) CU, Christian -- The idea is to die young as late as possible.-- Ashley Montague ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Tony Peden writes: Altitude and rate of change of DME ought to work too ... That is assuming you are on a radial, of course. ... which is always the case with a Victor airway. You can also discount altitude unless you're very close to the station, since the difference between slant range and ground distance will be too small to matter. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:19, Major A wrote: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? Captain: Hey, can you hold onto the yoke for a few minutes, I need to run to the back and grab some pretzels. Push forward, trees get bigger, pull back, trees get smaller, left, right, yadda, yadda, you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly. But whatever you do, don't touch that big button over there. Great description... have you heard of the incident a while ago when a cargo plane carrying live animals nearly crashed because a monkey escaped from the cage and beat the crew out of the flight deck to take control itself? The crew reoccupied the flight deck after some time, though. The Aeroflot A320 wasn't that lucky... BTW, what big button are you referring to? I didn't know the PC-12 had missiles on board... I think I'd go into the cabin and lock the door behind me. :-) If only the PC-12 had a door rather than a curtain... Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) It is illegal in the U.S. until after the flight. Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Tony, Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) It is illegal in the U.S. until after the flight. It was legal in Germany before September, 11th. My younger son attended a Lufthansa crew for a full day from Frankfurt to London Heathrow and back + another flight within Germany in the cockpit. These were ordinary commercial jet flights. You had to pay for it and there was a security check before, but it worked. Pilots even gave quite a lot of explanations what's going on, and he got headphones to follow traffic. He's crazy for planes and needless to say it was *great*. I wouldn't even dare to ask today anymore. Regards, Michael -- Michael Basler, Jena, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/pmb.geo/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?
Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is fine, but there is no information on that site that I could use -- I can find out that there is a WLAN in the terminal buildings and that they now have facilities to do major overhauls on the A320 family (in addition to the 737), but nothing about the airport itself -- no map or anything. There is a gallery, but it doesn't show a single aerial view. Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
