Re: [Flightgear-devel] Texture compression experiments in plib
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tiago Gusmão schrieb: The other problem is that this is plib, i'm not sure this is simply going to be accepted into the tree after being coded properly. And to make it an option, i think we also need to modify it to get the option passed to plib. IIRC Steve Baker is carefull about patches that change the (default) behavior. Patches that offer additional features that don't affect anyone by default are relatively easy to get in. Apart from that: has already someone asked Steve? Otherwise this discussion will lead nowhere. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDw3T/lhWtxOxWNFcRAtFTAJ9FMIjFUncB/Kcj5tgZrADNMwWp+QCgvQyG 06kdjsS4gl421yFDIk1t9no= =q9VN -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Curt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of is L. Olson Sent: 09 January 2006 18:41 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS I just committed a set of atc background chatter wav files to the base package in data/ATC/Chatter/UK These are from around Heathrow. I've set things up so it's relatively easy to drop additional sets from different areas in sibling directories. So everything to hear background chatter in FlightGear is now committed to cvs. After you update cvs from simgear/flightgear/flightgear-base and recompile, just run flightgear and select ATC Chatter from the File - Sound Configuration dialog box. Some of the files are louder/more understandable than others ... but it's background chatter and useless ear candy so you are better off not trying to understand and pay attention to what is really being said anyway. But it's fun useless ear candy. :-) Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. Vivian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Vivian Meazza schrieb: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. Vivian Hi Vivian, hi Curtis! Ok, after a longer testflight (autopilot, I was not present) I also had these error messages (FG latest CVS compile, Cygwin) when returning to the PC. So I cannot say when ATC chatter broke, but I think it worked here longer than 10 minutes: Error messages: playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc30.wav next chatter in 32 seconds OpenAL error (AL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND): set_pitch update atc chatter ukatc31.wav playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc31.wav next chatter in 32 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. update atc chatter ukatc32.wav playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc32.wav next chatter in 39 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. update atc chatter ukatc33.wav playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc33.wav next chatter in 38 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. ... Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Georg Vollnhals schrieb: Vivian Meazza schrieb: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. Vivian Hi Vivian, hi Curtis! Ok, after a longer testflight (autopilot, I was not present) I also had these error messages (FG latest CVS compile, Cygwin) when returning to the PC. So I cannot say when ATC chatter broke, but I think it worked here longer than 10 minutes: Error messages: AND I HAVE TO ADD: After 25 minutes running (with these error messages) FlightGear had a CTD! Georg EDDW --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Vivian Meazza wrote: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. I committed a fix yesterday evening. That cures the one remaining problem that I was seeing. Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Curtis L. Olson schrieb: Vivian Meazza wrote: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. I committed a fix yesterday evening. That cures the one remaining problem that I was seeing. Curt. Hi Curtis, I did a complete CVS rebuild some hours ago (when I tested whether your changes regarding the compile error works) and still having this described error (Cygwin). Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Quoting Vivian Meazza : Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() is called. Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers in that case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but this could be a problem. -Fred --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Quoting Vivian Meazza : Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() is called. Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers in that case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but this could be a problem. Interesting catch, thanks Fred. I made a small change to fg_fx.cxx to call the stop() function first. Perhaps that will cure the problem. In looking at this, I notice that the current sound system shows signs of being migrated from plib and perhaps isn't written optimally for openal ... At some point it might be worth getting an openal expert (or someone more familiar with openal than me) to take a pass through the code and see if there are places where things could be restructured or fixed up to reduce the chances of these sorts of problems. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Hi Curt, I don't have it running yet, just wondering; does the code contain any logic to filter the chatter based on radio frequency/location? Sitting on the ramp, tuned to ground control, you should not be hearing calls to an ARTCC. If your practicing VFR patterns at your local field, you should hear other VFR calls from the pattern, at FL310 you should hear calls between the Center and other A/C under positive control. Perhaps some sort of ID tag(s) on the msg to specify type and other charateristics and then set the ATC chatter filter based on selected radio frequency and/or flight conditions. Regards John W. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
John Wojnaroski wrote: Hi Curt, I don't have it running yet, just wondering; does the code contain any logic to filter the chatter based on radio frequency/location? Sitting on the ramp, tuned to ground control, you should not be hearing calls to an ARTCC. If your practicing VFR patterns at your local field, you should hear other VFR calls from the pattern, at FL310 you should hear calls between the Center and other A/C under positive control. Perhaps some sort of ID tag(s) on the msg to specify type and other charateristics and then set the ATC chatter filter based on selected radio frequency and/or flight conditions. Right now this is just dumb ear candy ... either always on or always off. It makes sense to tie it to the actual tuned frequency, tie the volume to the volume knob (which is modeled at least on the default cessna) and do a few other fancy things. But that was beyond the scope of my time available this past weekend. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Curt Frederic Bouvier wrote: Quoting Vivian Meazza : Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() is called. Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers in that case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but this could be a problem. Interesting catch, thanks Fred. I made a small change to fg_fx.cxx to call the stop() function first. Perhaps that will cure the problem. In looking at this, I notice that the current sound system shows signs of being migrated from plib and perhaps isn't written optimally for openal ... At some point it might be worth getting an openal expert (or someone more familiar with openal than me) to take a pass through the code and see if there are places where things could be restructured or fixed up to reduce the chances of these sorts of problems. That fixed it - Fred does it again :-) Thanks for some a nice enhancement. Vivian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Vivian Meazza wrote: That fixed it - Fred does it again :-) Thanks for some a nice enhancement. Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Christian Mayer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis L. Olson schrieb: If you ever come to visit Minnesota, I'll make sure you don't die of thirst. :-) Are your cooking skills that bad? What I cook, I cook very well thank you. :-) Unfortunately I don't know how to cook very many healthy day-to-day things so I went and got myself married. Unfortunately, that only doubled my dining out costs which wasn't the intended outcome. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Will my updates be used/useful?
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems most of the mechanisms to provide changes in a format that can be submitted to the World Scenery Database (WSD) are based around *nix systems and programs. Will I ( as a win32 users) be able to submit in a useful/usable form, my updates, that I have used Fred's FGSD to produce? A recent (within the last week?) discussion in the fgsd-devel mailing list was about this. The goal is for fgsd to be able to output data in a format that can then be incorporated into the scenery database (in addition to being able to output .btg files as at present). In the absence of this, free GIS interfaces are an option, I suppose -- they exist for Windows just as they do for Linux etc. -c All of the Open Source GIS apps that I am aware of are ported and distributed in ready to run binary packages for Windows users. Examples : GRASS, FWTools (gdal, OpenEV), QGIS, etc. Most of the users of open source GIS applications are Windows users who don't understand how to configure or build software so it only makes sense to provide them with ready to run applications. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Legality of modeling
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:27:07 -0800, you wrote: ..hang on a sec: Did you make ogeL, or did Lego? Extend this a bit, and ask whether we can legally model the A380, the Wright Flyer etc. I am catching up on the thread, so hold the dogs if this has been discussed, but my experience is with model automobiles. It used to be the auto makers were happy to have toys (models) made of their products. They considered it free promotion. Until they discovered that it was big business. Then they started charging licensing fees and requiring that toy makers get permission to reproduce physical representations of their automobile designs. They and the courts in the United States look upon the design, the shape and appearance of the auto, as intellectual property. Thus it may be a violation to construct a model, virtual or otherwise, for a commercial purpose (or perhaps distribute for any purpose), of a design for which trademark, copyright or design patent status is claimed. The Wright Flyer is beyond the reach of any claims that I know of, except perhaps moral rights from the descendants. The Airbus, however, could be subject to restrictions, if they wanted to enforce them. Things have even gotten so bad that there have been rulings restricting commercial use of photographs taken of landmarks having value, such as the Prometheus Statue at Rockefeller Center in New York City. I am sure someone with legal knowledge greater than mine can give a better answer, but this is my understanding from observing changes in the toy car market over the years as a collector and small time dealer in collectibles. Steve --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: World Custom Scenery
Steve Knoblock wrote: About three years ago, I started working on a project to enhance the area around the Chesapeake bay region. I hope to donate this data and whatever objects, traffic and airport improvements to FlightGear. Oh, you're welcome. We already _have_ a site that collects scenery objects like buildings and other landmarks and I'd be happy to see your contributions showing up there. I believe FlightGear would profit very much if these contributions are _not_ being spread among multiple different sites. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] OT: D-EENE
May I proudly present I can't believe it, there actually is a photo on the net that shows the aircraft that I did most of my trainig on. It also features my intructor on the co-seat :-) http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=249541 Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: D-EENE
Georg Vollnhals wrote: nice - but now we want to get a photo with *you* on the pilot's seat :-) You'll see me tomorrow in the EENE hopping along the North Sea Islands - if the weather permits Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: D-EENE
Martin Spott schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: nice - but now we want to get a photo with *you* on the pilot's seat :-) You'll see me tomorrow in the EENE hopping along the North Sea Islands - if the weather permits Martin. Lucky you :-) I love flying there. Since SAR is out of buisiness for the North Sea Islands our helo(s) are in service when Chr26 (Sanderbusch) is already active. So I had a lot of flights Bremen - mostly Borkum last year. Very nice! Have fun! Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 17:28 +, Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-) We should invite him to a couple of free flights over nice looking terrain ;-) Send Fred an invite to the next virtual fly-in. :-) Any ideas for location? Regards George --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Texture compression experiments in plib
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:17:32PM +, Tiago Gusmão wrote: I see that .sgi has a few dummy fields we could use (altough that would break the spec, they should be NULL), That's not an option. Even using the comment line for that isn't one, although it wouldn't violate the spec. m. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
