Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:08, gh.robin wrote: Hello Roy, I do not notice any differences regarding /autopilot/new-config dir between first load values (after FG loaded) and after reload autopilot. i get two pi-simple-controllers and sixteen pid-controllers. OK, you said that the heading hold in the dc3 was crazy. The dc3 uses the generic autopilot, then all aircraft using the generic autopilot should experience the same crazieness in heading hold mode. Could you try activating the debug option of the two pid-controllers that are used in heading hold mode? Open data/Aircraft/Generic/generic-autopilot.xml and set the debug flag to true for the controllers named Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1, and Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2. When you activate the heading hold mode you should get debug messages from those two controllers on the console. This is what I get when I'm in a left turn chasing the heading bug in the dc3 (# My comments): Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Ts 0.0416667 input = -50.076 ref = 0 # We are -50.076 degrees from our desired heading. ep_n = 50.076 ep_n_1 = 50.1743 e_n = 50.076 ed_n = 50.076 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 50.076 delta_u_n = -0.110384 P:0.0982607 I:-0.20865 D:5.29441e-06 min saturation output = -20 # The controller has commanded a 20 degree left bank. Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.0416667 input = -16.6732 ref = -20 # We are currently at 16.6732 degrees left bank. ep_n = -3.32684 ep_n_1 = -3.34097 e_n = -3.32684 ed_n = 16.6732 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 16.6732 delta_u_n = 2.75638e-05 P:0.00141368 I:-0.00138618 D:6.68812e-08 output = -0.00296141 # This is the commanded aileron, a tiny bit of left aileron makes sense. # 0.03 seconds later: Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Ts 0.033 input = -49.9996 ref = 0 ep_n = 49.9996 ep_n_1 = 50.076 e_n = 49.9996 ed_n = 49.9996 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 49.9996 delta_u_n = -0.09026 P:0.0764119 I:-0.15 D:-6.55459e-06 min saturation output = -20 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.033 input = -16.6844 ref = -20 ep_n = -3.31557 ep_n_1 = -3.32684 e_n = -3.31557 ed_n = 16.6844 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 16.6844 delta_u_n = 2.10212e-05 P:0.0011263 I:-0.00110519 D:-8.62141e-08 output = -0.00294038 As you can see the inputs and outputs to/from these controllers look reasonable. Are you getting crazy inputs and outputs when you try the same? And are you getting sane inputs and outputs after a autopilot reload? If you are getting crazy inputs and outputs, you should run fgfs in a debugger like ddd and step through the FGPIDController::update() method in source/src/Autopilot/xmlauto.cxx to see what is going on. -- Roy Vegard Ovesen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME for pa28-161
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 13:44 +, Martin Spott wrote: Hi Ron, Ron Jensen wrote: Truly bizarre, I fired up this aircraft and saw the radiostack, complete with DME and though, what is Thiago talking about, its right there... Then I looked at my CVS repository and realized my Cherokee is modified. Don't remember doing that, but then I'm old. My model is a bit different but this patch should work. Note you need the pa24-250 installed. Would you consider working together with Dave in order to 'generalize' the radio-stack so we can put it into the Instruments-3d directory ? Hi Ron Martin, On my system, I have the following running: 1. Moved the pa24 radio stack to Aircraft/Instruments-3d/, along with the required changes to the pa24-250. 2. Made similar changes to the pa28-161 to use the now public radio stack. 3. Modified the alt, hi, the two vor heads to use pick so all the knobs now work on the pa28-161 panel. 4. Commented out the corresponding actions in the pa24-panel.xml file. 5. Made the required changes to pa28-161-set.xml to use the kap140 autopilot that comes with the radio stack. A year ago, when I first submitted the pa24-250, David Megginson told me to go ahead and bring the pa28-161 up to the same functionality as the pa24-250. This is now done on my system. Is there interest in a patch to do the same in osg cvs? These changes make both AC dependent on osg (i.e. the pick is not supported in the plib only branch). Regards, -- Dave Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 10:53 +0100, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:08, gh.robin wrote: Hello Roy, I do not notice any differences regarding /autopilot/new-config dir between first load values (after FG loaded) and after reload autopilot. i get two pi-simple-controllers and sixteen pid-controllers. OK, you said that the heading hold in the dc3 was crazy. The dc3 uses the generic autopilot, then all aircraft using the generic autopilot should experience the same crazieness in heading hold mode. Just a random thought: the autopilot does not lock the controls out (and it shouldn't) so rudder inputs will make the heading hold wander. I fly with pedals, so I can really pull the nose off course when the autopilot is flying. Are the people experiencing problems with the autopilots using --auto-coordinate? Ron - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DME for pa28-161
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 07:48 -0700, Dave Perry wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 13:44 +, Martin Spott wrote: Hi Ron, Ron Jensen wrote: Truly bizarre, I fired up this aircraft and saw the radiostack, complete with DME and though, what is Thiago talking about, its right there... Then I looked at my CVS repository and realized my Cherokee is modified. Don't remember doing that, but then I'm old. My model is a bit different but this patch should work. Note you need the pa24-250 installed. Would you consider working together with Dave in order to 'generalize' the radio-stack so we can put it into the Instruments-3d directory ? Hi Ron Martin, On my system, I have the following running: 1. Moved the pa24 radio stack to Aircraft/Instruments-3d/, along with the required changes to the pa24-250. 2. Made similar changes to the pa28-161 to use the now public radio stack. 3. Modified the alt, hi, the two vor heads to use pick so all the knobs now work on the pa28-161 panel. 4. Commented out the corresponding actions in the pa24-panel.xml file. 5. Made the required changes to pa28-161-set.xml to use the kap140 autopilot that comes with the radio stack. A year ago, when I first submitted the pa24-250, David Megginson told me to go ahead and bring the pa28-161 up to the same functionality as the pa24-250. This is now done on my system. Is there interest in a patch to do the same in osg cvs? These changes make both AC dependent on osg (i.e. the pick is not supported in the plib only branch). Regards, Hi Dave, I'm good with osg only. I think one of the reasons 3d cockpits are rare is its very hard to do hot-spots with the plib method. (I am in awe of the work on panel hot-spots that went into the SenecaII!) As I understand it plib happily ignores pick animations, so keeping the plib branch in-sync maybe as simple as not committing the hotspot changes in the pa24-panel.xml file to the plib branch. Since the radio panel is a 2.5d panel its hotspots should still work in the plib branch. Thanks, Ron - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] ILS service volume issues
In some parts of the world, (including the southwest US), a goodly fraction of the localizers have an expanded service volume (ESV), often quite a bit larger than the standard service volume you see in the AIM. The code in navradio.cxx has been ignoring the service volume information in the database and wrongly assuming the default values applied everywhere. A patch to fix the range-related part of the problem can be found at: http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/service-volume.diff ... but alas there are other service volume issues. The code has no understanding of how azimuth affects the localizer. There is more to the story than reception *range*. It is perfectly possible to be outside the LOC service volume for reasons having to do with azimuth, not range. Good ident will be heard, but false localizer courses will cause serious trouble for the unwary pilot. Similar remarks apply to false glide slopes. The patch does not address these non-range issue. The code would need to be significantly restructured to deal with this. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] building the library of 3D instruments (was: DME for pa28)
On 02/10/2007 09:48 AM, Dave Perry wrote: On my system, I have the following running: 1. Moved the pa24 radio stack to Aircraft/Instruments-3d/, along with the required changes to the pa24-250. [etc.] Yes, that's a good move. While were on the subject ... could you please similarly export the mag switch + key object? It's a whole lot more attractive than the corresponding 2D object, and I suspect a great many of the 3D singles will want to use it. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Joystick setup for Saitek P880
This file works for a Saitek P880. I would welcome its inclusion into ...data/Input/Joysticks/Saitek Thanks. -- Ed Sirett T: 020 8883 1448 M: 07860 432401 P: 72 Wilton Road, N10 1LT P880.xml Description: application/xml - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Joystick setup for Saitek P880
* Ed Sirett -- Sunday 11 February 2007: This file works for a Saitek P880. This looks rather archaic. It doesn't support several aircraft, because it doesn't use the controls wrappers. Also it lacks indentation. Who's going to fix it all? :-) m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
On Sat 10 February 2007 10:53, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:08, gh.robin wrote: Hello Roy, I do not notice any differences regarding /autopilot/new-config dir between first load values (after FG loaded) and after reload autopilot. i get two pi-simple-controllers and sixteen pid-controllers. OK, you said that the heading hold in the dc3 was crazy. The dc3 uses the generic autopilot, then all aircraft using the generic autopilot should experience the same crazieness in heading hold mode. Could you try activating the debug option of the two pid-controllers that are used in heading hold mode? Open data/Aircraft/Generic/generic-autopilot.xml and set the debug flag to true for the controllers named Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1, and Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2. When you activate the heading hold mode you should get debug messages from those two controllers on the console. This is what I get when I'm in a left turn chasing the heading bug in the dc3 (# My comments): Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Ts 0.0416667 input = -50.076 ref = 0 # We are -50.076 degrees from our desired heading. ep_n = 50.076 ep_n_1 = 50.1743 e_n = 50.076 ed_n = 50.076 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 50.076 delta_u_n = -0.110384 P:0.0982607 I:-0.20865 D:5.29441e-06 min saturation output = -20 # The controller has commanded a 20 degree left bank. Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.0416667 input = -16.6732 ref = -20 # We are currently at 16.6732 degrees left bank. ep_n = -3.32684 ep_n_1 = -3.34097 e_n = -3.32684 ed_n = 16.6732 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 16.6732 delta_u_n = 2.75638e-05 P:0.00141368 I:-0.00138618 D:6.68812e-08 output = -0.00296141 # This is the commanded aileron, a tiny bit of left aileron makes sense. I have settled Heading Bug =180 autopilot does not work (crazy) I get messages here an extract .. Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.025 input = -0.129679 ref = 0 ep_n = 0.129679 ep_n_1 = 0.130254 e_n = 0.129679 ed_n = 0.129679 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 0.129679 delta_u_n = -2.51044e-05 P:-5.75163e-05 I:3.24197e-05 D:-7.7432e-09 output = 0.000684861 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -0.129309 ref = 0 ep_n = 0.129309 ep_n_1 = 0.129679 e_n = 0.129309 ed_n = 0.129309 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 0.129309 delta_u_n = -1.53979e-05 P:-3.69617e-05 I:2.15515e-05 D:1.23327e-08 output = 0.000669463 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -0.128936 ref = 0 ep_n = 0.128936 ep_n_1 = 0.129309 e_n = 0.128936 ed_n = 0.128936 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 0.128936 delta_u_n = -1.58609e-05 P:-3.73499e-05 I:2.14893e-05 D:-2.32856e-10 output = 0.000653603 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -0.12854 ref = 0 ep_n = 0.12854 ep_n_1 = 0.128936 e_n = 0.12854 ed_n = 0.12854 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 0.12854 delta_u_n = -1.81036e-05 P:-3.95257e-05 I:2.14234e-05 D:-1.30541e-09 output = 0.000635499 .. # 0.03 seconds later: Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Ts 0.033 input = -49.9996 ref = 0 ep_n = 49.9996 ep_n_1 = 50.076 e_n = 49.9996 ed_n = 49.9996 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 49.9996 delta_u_n = -0.09026 P:0.0764119 I:-0.15 D:-6.55459e-06 min saturation output = -20 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.033 input = -16.6844 ref = -20 ep_n = -3.31557 ep_n_1 = -3.32684 e_n = -3.31557 ed_n = 16.6844 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 16.6844 delta_u_n = 2.10212e-05 P:0.0011263 I:-0.00110519 D:-8.62141e-08 output = -0.00294038 As you can see the inputs and outputs to/from these controllers look reasonable. Are you getting crazy inputs and outputs when you try the same? And are you getting sane inputs and outputs after a autopilot reload? And after reloading autopilot autopilot works I get messages Here an extract .. Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Ts 0.017 input = -86.2699 ref = 0 ep_n = 86.2699 ep_n_1 = 86.3099 e_n = 86.2699 ed_n = 86.2699 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 86.2699 delta_u_n = -0.103803 P:0.0399801 I:-0.143783 D:1.29082e-08 min saturation output = -20 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -17.7823 ref = -20 ep_n = -2.21771 ep_n_1 = -2.22147 e_n = -2.21771 ed_n = 17.7823 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 17.7823 delta_u_n = 6.21317e-06 P:0.000375831 I:-0.000369619 D:9.22063e-10 output = -0.00492783 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Ts 0.017 input = -86.2299 ref = 0 ep_n = 86.2299 ep_n_1 = 86.2699 e_n = 86.2299 ed_n = 86.2299 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 86.2299 delta_u_n = -0.103755 P:0.039962 I:-0.143717 D:-1.08567e-08 min saturation output = -20 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -17.7861 ref = -20 ep_n = -2.21394 ep_n_1 = -2.21771 e_n = -2.21394 ed_n = 17.7861 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 17.7861 delta_u_n =
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 00:29, gh.robin wrote: I have settled Heading Bug =180 autopilot does not work (crazy) I get messages here an extract .. Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -0.128936 ref = 0 ep_n = 0.128936 ep_n_1 = 0.129309 e_n = 0.128936 ed_n = 0.128936 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 0.128936 delta_u_n = -1.58609e-05 P:-3.73499e-05 I:2.14893e-05 D:-2.32856e-10 output = 0.000653603 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -0.12854 ref = 0 ep_n = 0.12854 ep_n_1 = 0.128936 e_n = 0.12854 ed_n = 0.12854 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 0.12854 delta_u_n = -1.81036e-05 P:-3.95257e-05 I:2.14234e-05 D:-1.30541e-09 output = 0.000635499 .. The autopilot is holding the wings level, right. I think characterizing this as crazy is very misleading. One might think that it was turning left and right. And after reloading autopilot autopilot works I get messages Here an extract .. Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Ts 0.017 input = -86.2699 ref = 0 ep_n = 86.2699 ep_n_1 = 86.3099 e_n = 86.2699 ed_n = 86.2699 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 86.2699 delta_u_n = -0.103803 P:0.0399801 I:-0.143783 D:1.29082e-08 min saturation output = -20 Updating Heading Bug Hold (DG based) Stage 2 Ts 0.017 input = -17.7823 ref = -20 ep_n = -2.21771 ep_n_1 = -2.22147 e_n = -2.21771 ed_n = 17.7823 Tf = 1e-06 edf_n = 17.7823 delta_u_n = 6.21317e-06 P:0.000375831 I:-0.000369619 D:9.22063e-10 output = -0.00492783 ... I can notice with the first example (before reload) only stage2 gives messages With second example (after reload) with autopilot working i do have both stage1 and stage2 It looks like the stage 1 controller fails to initialize at startup. Is this consistent, or are you, like Lee was, seeing some randomness in what controllers aren't working before autopilot reload? If you are getting crazy inputs and outputs, you should run fgfs in a debugger like ddd and step through the FGPIDController::update() method in source/src/Autopilot/xmlauto.cxx to see what is going on. Because i am not developer , i will not be able to do it Sure you can! ;-) -- Roy Vegard Ovesen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
On Sun 11 February 2007 01:01, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 00:29, gh.robin wrote: The autopilot is holding the wings level, right. I think characterizing this as crazy is very misleading. One might think that it was turning left and right. Yes , in that case crazy is not good, but randomly i can get some uncontrolled movements, like start to turn keeping that turn permanently or turn left then turn right, then lost stability and crash on the ground. It looks like the stage 1 controller fails to initialize at startup. Is this consistent, or are you, like Lee was, seeing some randomness in what controllers aren't working before autopilot reload? To me it is consistent, i get only stage 2 , i did not noticed some randomness. If you are getting crazy inputs and outputs, you should run fgfs in a debugger like ddd and step through the FGPIDController::update() method in source/src/Autopilot/xmlauto.cxx to see what is going on. Because i am not developer , i will not be able to do it Sure you can! ;-) I confirm i can't Regards -- Gérard - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
I couldn't see a parameter to enable dynamic view in the command line but it seemed ok if I enabled it via the menu. The view pitched a small amount when I enabled it and pitched back when I disabled it. LeeE On Friday 09 February 2007 20:51, Maik Justus wrote: Hi LeeE, can you start flightgear with the bo105 and dynamic-view enabled? If the view direction is ok during the first second or is it spinning around? Maybe this bug has a similar cause. Maik leee schrieb am 09.02.2007 20:22: On Friday 09 February 2007 19:04, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: I just tried the dc3. Heading hold is working perfectly. Could there be something on your and Lee's system that is causing this? I tried the first time you reported this issue, and was unable to reproduce what you saw then too. Are anyone else on this list seeing the problems that Lee and Gérard are seeing? It's difficult to imagine a system problem that might cause this behaviour, in view of the fact that resetting appears to fix the problem. However, I know that there are a few problems that I've seen here that no one else appears to have experienced on their systems, one long running example being problems with the wind and visibility settings not being honoured. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Joystick setup for Saitek P880
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 00:12 +0100, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Ed Sirett -- Sunday 11 February 2007: This file works for a Saitek P880. This looks rather archaic. It doesn't support several aircraft, because it doesn't use the controls wrappers. Also it lacks indentation. Who's going to fix it all? :-) m. xmllint did the indents, I changed the function wrappers. Ed, Can you try this file and confirm it still works? I don't have a Saitek P880. Thanks, Ron P880b.xml Description: application/xml - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Joystick setup for Saitek P880
* Ron Jensen -- Sunday 11 February 2007: I changed the function wrappers. But not all. pa24 and b29 flaps won't work correctly that way. Their mod-up bindings need to call controls.flapsDown(0), so that the flap movement is stopped on button-release. But I can do that, too. Or whoever commits. Personally, I like the view axis done via wrappers, too. Not that I could give a single convincing reason for it ... ;-) m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot, Was: C172p stra nge behaviour with --flight-plan
On Friday 09 February 2007 21:36, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 21:13, leee wrote: Just tried another quick test. Opened five property browsers - autopilot/locks, autopilot/settings, autopilot/internal, autopilot/FCS/locks autopilot/FCS/controls - all seemed ok but then I pre-set most of the nodes during aircraft initialisation. The one I asked Gérard to look at was /autopilot/new-config. When you have pinpointed that a certain controller is not outputting what it should, look in /autopilot/new-config to see if the controller is actually there. If it is there, try enabling the debug option for that controller. On this test the altitude hold failed to work. The altitude hold controller reads the filtered target alt and outputs to autopilot/settings/target-climb-rate-fps. When the altitude hold controller was engaged it failed to update the target climb rate. Agl hold, which also outputs to the same target climb rate node in autopilot/settings, was ok and I could see the node being updated. I switched back to altitude hold and forced a climb by over-typing a +ve climb rate into the non-updating node. Once I got to around 10k ft I reset the A/P and the climb rate started updating. It looks like the controllers are not getting built correctly at FG startup. When you do a autopilot-reset, the controllers in /autopilot/new-config are cleared and the autopilot config xml file is re-read and the controllers re-built. Quick test - this time on take-off the pitch hold didn't kick in. This is the very first controller in the config and it appeared to be there in new-config, with the correct config. It just didn't seem to be sending anything to the output. All the other controllers seemed to be accounted for too - I didn't check each one but the numbers tallied. Yup - just tried again and got the same pitch-hold problem. I checked everything for this controller in new-config, making sure that all the nodes were ok, and it all looked fine. LeeE - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
On Saturday 10 February 2007 16:04, Ron Jensen wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 10:53 +0100, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:08, gh.robin wrote: Hello Roy, I do not notice any differences regarding /autopilot/new-config dir between first load values (after FG loaded) and after reload autopilot. i get two pi-simple-controllers and sixteen pid-controllers. OK, you said that the heading hold in the dc3 was crazy. The dc3 uses the generic autopilot, then all aircraft using the generic autopilot should experience the same crazieness in heading hold mode. Just a random thought: the autopilot does not lock the controls out (and it shouldn't) so rudder inputs will make the heading hold wander. I fly with pedals, so I can really pull the nose off course when the autopilot is flying. Are the people experiencing problems with the autopilots using --auto-coordinate? Ron Not here. LeeE - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 00:16 +, leee wrote: I couldn't see a parameter to enable dynamic view in the command line but it seemed ok if I enabled it via the menu. The view pitched a small amount when I enabled it and pitched back when I disabled it. LeeE Dynamic view from the command line: --prop:/sim/view/dynamic/enabled=1 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot, Was: C172p stra nge behaviour with --flight-plan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 00:37, leee wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 21:36, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 21:13, leee wrote: Just tried another quick test. Opened five property browsers - autopilot/locks, autopilot/settings, autopilot/internal, autopilot/FCS/locks autopilot/FCS/controls - all seemed ok but then I pre-set most of the nodes during aircraft initialisation. The one I asked Gérard to look at was /autopilot/new-config. When you have pinpointed that a certain controller is not outputting what it should, look in /autopilot/new-config to see if the controller is actually there. If it is there, try enabling the debug option for that controller. On this test the altitude hold failed to work. The altitude hold controller reads the filtered target alt and outputs to autopilot/settings/target-climb-rate-fps. When the altitude hold controller was engaged it failed to update the target climb rate. Agl hold, which also outputs to the same target climb rate node in autopilot/settings, was ok and I could see the node being updated. I switched back to altitude hold and forced a climb by over-typing a +ve climb rate into the non-updating node. Once I got to around 10k ft I reset the A/P and the climb rate started updating. It looks like the controllers are not getting built correctly at FG startup. When you do a autopilot-reset, the controllers in /autopilot/new-config are cleared and the autopilot config xml file is re-read and the controllers re-built. Quick test - this time on take-off the pitch hold didn't kick in. This is the very first controller in the config and it appeared to be there in new-config, with the correct config. It just didn't seem to be sending anything to the output. All the other controllers seemed to be accounted for too - I didn't check each one but the numbers tallied. Yup - just tried again and got the same pitch-hold problem. I checked everything for this controller in new-config, making sure that all the nodes were ok, and it all looked fine. LeeE I thought I'd give it another go, with debug on the pitch-hold controller and waddya know - this time the pitch hold worked and the alt hold failed. Ok - so I set debugging on all three of the pitch related controllers and on the next test it was back to the pitch hold problem again but with no heading hold either. Anyway, there was no output from the pitch hold controller although I could see the climb rate and altitude controllers come in as they were engaged. I paused the sim once I was above the target altitude, inserted some blank lines into the debug o/p, so I could find the point again, and reset the a/p. After doing this I could then see debug o/p from the pitch controller. Do you want to see the debug o/p? LeeE - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] altimeter.xml
The standard altimeter (used by the default c172p aircraft and many others) had been using an unhappy hodgepodge of layers. The analog Kollsman window was unusable, because it was unlabeled, and the digital altimeter setting was unusable, especially at altitudes near 2500 feet, partly from being behind the needle. On a real altimeter, things are positioned so that cannot happen. Fixing this requires using a more suitable font, moving the digits over, and getting rid of conflicting extraneous markings. A patch to implement this fix can be found at http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/altimeter.diff - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] incorrect altimetry
There is evidently at least one serious misconception in the code that calculates atmospheric pressure, altimeter settings, et cetera. This can be easily demonstrated: Park at or near the threshold of runway 33 at Aspen (KASE). Under standard conditions, observe that the altimeter reads 7820 feet MSL, as it should. Use the Weather : Weather Conditions dialog popup to look at the ground-level altimeter setting (QNH). This is bottom row in the Alt (inHg) column of the popup. Verify that it is 29.92. Now use the dialog box to change this property. Change it to 30.92, a one-inch difference. Go to your altimeter instrument and enter the new altimeter setting in the Kollsman window. Ideally, this should cause the instrument to read the correct altitude once again, namely 7820 feet MSL. However, due to bugs, it is likely that you will observe something closer to 8120. This means the airplane is 300 feet lower than the altimeter says it is. In case it wasn't obvious, when flying around near Aspen, being 300 feet lower than you think you are can be very bad for your health. The absolutely correct formula for computing the altimeter setting can be found in the jsd barometry page -- look where it mentions Field Pressure. http://www.av8n.com/physics/barometry.html While we're in the vicinity: Both the Weather Conditions popup and the atis.cxx code rely on the pressure-sea-level-inhg property and use it in ways that the altimeter setting should be used. This is at least a misnomer, and probably a misconception. The altimeter setting is not the same thing as the sea-level pressure. The altimeter setting is something else; it is properly called the altimeter setting. It is also properly called the QNH, although private pilots who fly only in the US may be unfamiliar with the QNH terminology. This property needs to be expunged and replaced with something else, something with a correct name and with correct semantics. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: SimGear
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-05_15:41:33 (mfranz) /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/io/sg_binobj.cxx fix error message =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-05_15:41:40 (mfranz) /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/io/sg_binobj.cxx fix error message =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-07_13:21:24 (andy) /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/scene/model/animation.cxx bias argument to texture animations by Ron Jensen 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear source
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-05_14:29:26 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Input/input.cxx export mouse coords of main mouse =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-05_14:29:29 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Input/input.cxx export mouse coords of main mouse =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-05_23:32:24 (frohlich) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Main/renderer.cxx Modified Files: src/Main/renderer.cxx: Avoid an additional camera. Guard the plain OpenGL drawables better. This change now requires the new osg tarball or osg cvs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-08_23:34:34 (frohlich) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Airports/runways.cxx Modified Files: Airports/runways.cxx: Correct termination condition. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-08_23:35:10 (frohlich) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Navaids/navdb.cxx Modified Files: Navaids/navdb.cxx: Olaf Flebbe: plug memory leak. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-08_23:41:42 (frohlich) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Instrumentation/navradio.cxx Modified Files: navradio.cxx: Olaf Flebbe: Use bool for booleans. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-09_05:01:57 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Instrumentation/navradio.cxx Olaf Flebbe: Use bool for booleans mf: merged from HEAD =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-09_05:02:50 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Airports/runways.cxx Mathias FROEHLICH: Correct termination condition mf: merged from HEAD =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-09_05:03:25 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Navaids/navdb.cxx Olaf FLEBBE: plug memory leak mf: merged from HEAD =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-10_10:32:21 (fredb) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Main/renderer.cxx /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Network/jpg-httpd.cxx Fix the jpg http server 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear data
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_04:26:44 (sydadams) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/dhc2-sound.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/dhc2F.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Instruments/asi.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Instruments/fuel-gauge.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Instruments/oiltemp-gauge.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Instruments/vacuum.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Instruments/vsi-gauge.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Models/dhc2W.ac more float adjustments... updated sounds and wake animation... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_04:26:45 (sydadams) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Models/submodels.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Models/wake.ac /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Models/wake.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Nasal/dhc2.nas more float adjustments... updated sounds and wake animation... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_06:55:28 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Instruments/KAP140TwoAxis.xml Dave Perry Roy Vegard Ovesen: This patch allows all the AC using the kap140 to use one kap140.nas which includes Roy's move to bool values as well as the check for power used by the pa24-250. (dp) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_06:55:29 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Generic/kap140.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Generic/limits.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Instruments/KAP140TwoAxisAlt.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Instruments/fuel-c172s.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c172/c172-electrical.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c172p/c172p-set.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c172p/Attic/kap140.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c182/c182-set.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c182/Attic/kap140.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c182/Systems/KAP140.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c182rg/c182rg-set.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa24-250/Attic/kap140.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa24-250/pa24-250-set.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa24-250/pa24-electrical.nas Dave Perry Roy Vegard Ovesen: This patch allows all the AC using the kap140 to use one kap140.nas which includes Roy's move to bool values as well as the check for power used by the pa24-250. (dp) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_06:55:30 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c172p/Systems/KAP140.xml Dave Perry Roy Vegard Ovesen: This patch allows all the AC using the kap140 to use one kap140.nas which includes Roy's move to bool values as well as the check for power used by the pa24-250. (dp) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_07:30:10 (martin) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Instruments-3d/kt70/kt70.xml Ron Jensen: Add panel lighting effects to transponder. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_07:32:17 (martin) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c182/c182-set.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c182rg/c182rg-set.xml Ron Jensen: Make the night lighting wrap at 1.0 instead of 0.75. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_12:06:02 (sydadams) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Nasal/dhc2.nas fixed some nasal bugs... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_14:18:31 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/a4/Models/a4.nas use function object in setlistener(), not a function call =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_14:20:45 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Generic/aar.nas - reset engines' consumed fuel - change variable name =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_16:09:43 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Generic/aar.nas - work around broken props.Node.getBoolValue() - simplification cleanup =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-04_23:51:48 (sydadams) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/dhc2-sound.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/dhc2F.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Models/submodels.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Models/wake.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/dhc2/Nasal/dhc2.nas Updated float water - handling , more realistic now but haven't solved the sideways drift yet Updated sounds but click sound is gone in OSG version... Added Melchoir's crash handler to test beaching crash ... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-02-05_05:27:57 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/bo105/bo105.xml
