Re: [Flightgear-devel] development process
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Denker wrote: On 07/16/2007 01:10 PM, Stuart Buchanan made a number of excellent points: A far better approach is to look at how we can make our processes more efficient so that the management (of which you are the CEO) can make better use of their time. I think what is required is more delegation. ... Let me add a couple of minor points: ... -- Right now the development process is not broken, and is nowhere near chaos, but everyone agrees there is room for improvement. -- The recent trend has been in the wrong direction, which makes it especially timely to examine the issues. 2) As a specific constructive suggestion, it seems to me that upgrading from CVS to git would make things go smoother. This project outgrew CVS a long time ago. Git is available for ... But in a context where a volunteer manager is dealing with volunteer developers, none of whom can devote 40-80 hours a week to the project, delegation becomes much harder. Actually, you can't even really call it delegation. Sure you can. This is not a new issue. There are tons of all-volunteer open software projects. There are also boy scouts, girl scouts, garden clubs, bowling leagues, sewing clubs, and even flying clubs, all with officers who volunteer their time. Statistics show that such organizations are a significant part of the economy (if you measure things properly). I agree with the observations and suggestions that John made. I also agree that the development process isn't really broken, but there is frustration with the slow pace of releases. FlightGear is not a huge project, but it is pretty big and faces some interesting challenges. Because realism is the stated goal, the problem domain often requires specific knowledge of aeronautical engineering and physics, not to mention flying experience, as well as coding skills. It's not too common to find these traits in one person. Also, the data assets of FlightGear are huge and have many contributors who don't consider themselves developers, even though more and more development work is happening in the data tree due to the powerful scripting support FG has. Then there is the scenery, apparently off in its own mysterious world... Curt, if there was a company willing to pay you or one of its own employees to be the FG manager, I suspect that you'd already be able to identify it. The key here, as John suggested, is not to delegate your responsibilities to one person but to a group of people. Many free software projects do well with a core of developers that manages a wider circle of developers who make contributions in specific areas of the project. The core sets the direction (as much as that is possible) of the project and decides technical and non-technical issues. Projects use many methods to reach a consensus, ranging from straight-up voting to reliance on a benevolent dictator to resolve disputes. If someone contributes patches that no one in the core or wider circle of developers feels competent to review, then it's not too much to ask for references to the subject matter so that everyone can become better educated. Perhaps the contributor is a good candidate to become a developer for some section of the code base. Some projects with which I've been involved use a system of time-boxed releases. For example, every 2 months a branch is made from the main source tree and becomes a release, ready or not. Automatic testing helps with this strategy -- of course it helps in general. One could write automatic tests for FlightGear using the scripting and scenario support. Given your load and frustrations, Curt, I urge you to think about a core who can share what you do. I bet you already have in mind the membership of that group. Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGnGlJeDhWHdXrDRURAirwAKCCph2v7NnxHN7dhahoduV9pCfnMgCeKB5o wP83UhBD1+WM/jIXQFWNwi4= =39NI -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 787 Seg fault
Hi Josh JOSHUA WILSON Writes Innis Cunningham Writes Hi Josh Downloaded the zip file as you said no difference.But after some trouble shooting I find if I use any one or all the following instruments, EICAS,NDB,STBY ALT ,in combination with or alone I get the seg fault. If I use the Eicas or Ndb alone I dont get a seg fault but when the sim has finished loading I just have the blue and yellow glider.The Stby Alt always gives a seg fault. I thought it maybe a memory problem on my computer but running sys monitor during sim loading shows only 60% memory usage. So I can get the aircraft to load correctly as long as I dont include the above instruments. Hope this makes some sense. My computer specs amd2000 512Meg memory 5200Nividia graphics using CVS on Ubuntu 7.04 Cheers Innis Those three instruments are the ones that used png images. I modified the ac files so they use the rgb images instead of the png ones. Hopefully, the changes have solved the seg fault problem. Are you saying you have just changed them or are they supposed to be changed in the zip I downloaded this morning because a quick look at the Eicas.ac would indicate it is still using the png texture. Cheers Innis - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Find what you want at www.eBay.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%2F%3Fid%3D6_t=763807330_r=email_taglines_EBAY_m=EXT - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Joysticks on Windows
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Hans Fugal wrote: The joystick I had with me is a Saitek Aviator (USB HID). Is this the AV8R model? My Linux system identifies it as Saitek AV8R Joystick when it scans attached USB devices. FlightGear doesn't have a file for this yet, but I have written my own (which I am nearly ready to submit), and I put it in the appropriate place in the data directory (Input/Joysticks/Saitek/Aviator.xml). This file works fine in Linux and OS X. I also created one (on Linux) - shall we combine our efforts.? I put my version in Input/Joysticks/Saitek/AV8R.xml I then installed the Saitek drivers for the joystick from their website, and tried again with the same results. On Red Hat Linux (Fedora Core 6), it Just Worked... :) Is this an oddity of Vista? I don't know. I don't have Vista; sorry. -- Mike Schuh - Seattle, Washington USA http://www.farmdale.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Joystick conf help
Csaba Halász wrote: On 7/15/07, Thiago Drechsel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I'm having some problems with my new joystick. When I connect and test it with js_demo program, I can see that even with all axis and trims centered, js_demo tells me they are not. The output is below: ... The question is: Is there a way to compensate this offset in my joystick conf file? Or better: How can I fix this problem? Have you tried jscal? It looks like the same analog-usb joystick convertor I've got - it *will* need calibrating. Once done you should find it's pretty reliable. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Gas turbine engines modeling
Hi, On the goal/wish list gas turbine engine modeling is mentioned. Anyone who know the status on this project ? I'm interested in this topic but will not jump into it before I know what the status is. Anyone already started on it ? /Ulrik - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] development process
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Tim Moore wrote: Some projects with which I've been involved use a system of time-boxed releases. For example, every 2 months a branch is made from the main source tree and becomes a release, ready or not. Automatic testing helps with this strategy -- of course it helps in general. One could write automatic tests for FlightGear using the scripting and scenario support. I might be able to help with automating the testing process. Can anyone point me in a good direction to get started? What tests exist, what tests are needed? Thanks. -- Mike Schuh - Seattle, Washington USA http://www.farmdale.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
Hi! Bohnert Paul wrote: Thanks for rebuilding the Oshkosh tile. This is not only a rebuild, the data is completely different (and more accurate) than what we have in the standard scenery. It also is not only the Oshkosh tile, but it includes 48 tiles around Oshkosh, some of which are not completely covered by new data, though. Also rebuild on the same tile, Appleton, KATW, and Fond du Lac, KFLD. Should be included already. I will try to include the railroads and rivers from TIGER as well. Cheers, Ralf - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Joystick conf help
You're right Jon. The same analog-usb joystick converter After calibrated, it's working just fine! Thanks On 7/17/07, Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Csaba Halász wrote: On 7/15/07, Thiago Drechsel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I'm having some problems with my new joystick. When I connect and test it with js_demo program, I can see that even with all axis and trims centered, js_demo tells me they are not. The output is below: ... The question is: Is there a way to compensate this offset in my joystick conf file? Or better: How can I fix this problem? Have you tried jscal? It looks like the same analog-usb joystick convertor I've got - it *will* need calibrating. Once done you should find it's pretty reliable. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Air refueling JSBSim code versus Nasal code
Hello, I notice a huge conflict, about Air Refueling. With Aircraft which use JSBSim FDM, we had first, in the past (at least from FG 0.9.8 and earlyer) the advantage to use the AAR JSBsim code, before anything else it was developed. It was a great progress. Now if we want to have a customized aar code with nasal, or only to use the existing aar.nas recently developed and situated in Aircraft/Geberic directory, we cannot. In order to be free to use that JSBSim feature only is we want, will it be possible to include a JSBSim specific property , for instance fcs/refueling false or true which authorize or not that automatic feature Thanks Regards -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Joysticks on Windows
On 7/17/07, Mike Schuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Hans Fugal wrote: The joystick I had with me is a Saitek Aviator (USB HID). Is this the AV8R model? My Linux system identifies it as Saitek AV8R Joystick when it scans attached USB devices. FlightGear doesn't have a file for this yet, but I have written my own (which I am nearly ready to submit), and I put it in the appropriate place in the data directory (Input/Joysticks/Saitek/Aviator.xml). This file works fine in Linux and OS X. I also created one (on Linux) - shall we combine our efforts.? I put my version in Input/Joysticks/Saitek/AV8R.xml Yes that's the one. Combining our efforts would be good. I called it Aviator.xml in the same place, but the filename is pretty much irrelevant. I then installed the Saitek drivers for the joystick from their website, and tried again with the same results. On Red Hat Linux (Fedora Core 6), it Just Worked... :) As in Ubuntu, OS X, and even Vista (worked the same before and after). The Saitek drivers I think are mostly for specialized stuff like programming the joystick with that mode button and so forth. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 787 Seg fault
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 787 Seg fault
Innis Cunningham Writes Are you saying you have just changed them or are they supposed to be changed in the zip I downloaded this morning because a quick look at the Eicas.ac would indicate it is still using the png texture. Cheers Innis After I tried the 787, I opened the eicas.ac, ndb.ac, and stby-alt.ac files using WordPad. I found png in stby-alt.ac, but not in the other two files. I replaced png with rgb and re-uploaded the model. I hope this takes care of it. Josh- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Sound Observations
I haven't been following the doppler and directional sound stuff, so I apologize if the following is known about and under construction. I'm running the PLIB branch CVS (last updated last night). Start up with the Bravo or the 787 (and probably others) and switch to an outside view. Move the view to the front of the plane and note the pitch of the engines, then move to the back of the plane and note the pitch. The pitch is higher in front than in back. This seems like it might be caused by doppler, but I suppose there may be another explanation. I don't notice it with the Cessna. If it _is_ a doppler effect, it's wrong. There would be no doppler effect if neither the source nor the ear is moving relative to eachother (as is of course the case when sitting on the runway). The second observation is in flyby mode, and has to do with directional sound. I notice that when the plane is flying almost directly toward the observation point, the sound still comes full from one side, and when the plane passes and heads almost directly away from the observer the sound comes full from the other side. I have even observed the plane coming at a significant angle with the sound coming from the opposite side from what it should. It seems like the stereo effect is being applied in a simplistic way, rather than based on the angle between straight-ahead and where the plane is. -- Hans Fugal Fugal Computing - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Bohnert Paul wrote: Hi All, Thanks for rebuilding the Oshkosh tile. Also rebuild on the same tile, Appleton, KATW, and Fond du Lac, KFLD. FlightGear screen capture. Oshkosh, KOSH, with generic taxiways. http://pics.ww.com/v/coulee182/kosh+07-06.jpg.html KOSH with edited taxiways and aprons. http://pics.ww.com/v/coulee182/kosh-07-08.jpg.html Very nice, exactly what data is this scenery generated from and why can't it be used for all of flightgear's scenery? In my opinion the current scenery is plain ugly. Also is this scenery being generated for some event (like the linuxtag add on scenery was)? In that case what event exactly? Regards, AnMaster -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGnRowWmK6ng/aMNkRCkmcAJ0Yy+MMlovzCE+Tzu5kjEKnxeHKHQCfYPYN rv4dVmxKKzuWkVv3LC4uFe8= =PRG1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
Hi! AnMaster wrote: Very nice, exactly what data is this scenery generated from and why can't it be used for all of flightgear's scenery? In my opinion the current scenery is plain ugly. Some of the information about the data sources can be found on the project homepage: http://www.custom-scenery.org/Oshkosh-Scenery.338.0.html Part of the data is based on a new method of automatic landcover classification from Landsat satellite imagery. The method is not new in that it is well-known in other areas. The method is new in the sense, that it was not yet applied to FlightGear scenery generation. The other part of the data is from the U.S. Census Bureau TIGER dataset, which is highly detailed and accurate, but only available for the US (or even only parts thereof, not sure currently). Also is this scenery being generated for some event (like the linuxtag add on scenery was)? In that case what event exactly? The occasion is that a request was some month ago to rebuild the scenery for the Oshkosh EAA AirVenture, which is to take place next week. We are currently still in a pre-automation stage for the classification methodology. We hope to get series-production running at some point where a set of powerful computers (which will probably be provided by the OSGeo foundation) will perform the classification worldwide, leading to a hopefully complete landuse dataset of the whole world. What we could also improve on the scenery in a much more simple step would be to improve the textures. The current textures are much too contrast-poor. At least that's my impression when I compare what I see from above and what I see in FlightGear. Unfortunately, I'm not good at knowing in advance what will look good, I just see when it doesn't look good. Cheers, Ralf - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Ralf Gerlich wrote: Hi! AnMaster wrote: Very nice, exactly what data is this scenery generated from and why can't it be used for all of flightgear's scenery? In my opinion the current scenery is plain ugly. Some of the information about the data sources can be found on the project homepage: http://www.custom-scenery.org/Oshkosh-Scenery.338.0.html Part of the data is based on a new method of automatic landcover classification from Landsat satellite imagery. The method is not new in that it is well-known in other areas. The method is new in the sense, that it was not yet applied to FlightGear scenery generation. So, could scenery be mass generated with this method for all parts of the word it exist for? I understand scenery would be larger but with terrasync I only need to get the part I fly over anyway (for official scenery). The other part of the data is from the U.S. Census Bureau TIGER dataset, which is highly detailed and accurate, but only available for the US (or even only parts thereof, not sure currently). Ouch, I'm mostly interested in Europe (Sweden mainly). Also is this scenery being generated for some event (like the linuxtag add on scenery was)? In that case what event exactly? The occasion is that a request was some month ago to rebuild the scenery for the Oshkosh EAA AirVenture, which is to take place next week. We are currently still in a pre-automation stage for the classification methodology. We hope to get series-production running at some point where a set of powerful computers (which will probably be provided by the OSGeo foundation) will perform the classification worldwide, leading to a hopefully complete landuse dataset of the whole world. OSGeo? Who are they? What we could also improve on the scenery in a much more simple step would be to improve the textures. The current textures are much too contrast-poor. At least that's my impression when I compare what I see from above and what I see in FlightGear. Unfortunately, I'm not good at knowing in advance what will look good, I just see when it doesn't look good. Cheers, Ralf Also where can I get the scenery, the link The scenery is available at ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Misc_rag/scenery/landsat_oshkosh.; redirects to a German page (http://www.uni-duisburg-essen.de/materialtechnik/) that I can't read... :( Regards, AnMaster -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGnSWzWmK6ng/aMNkRClhEAKCUY788EBhVEBIoqjGESeXxTWuxIgCeJ0sN n4jzcvSfa8ra1rOBWQQ3r4c= =0jpt -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] OSG and multi-headed machines
Can anyone tell me the state of the OSG port with respect to supporting multiple displays off a single PC? I'm talking to someone who is planning to purchase computers to power a flightgear based simulator with a physical cockpit and real controls and we were wondering where things stand with that code. If it's ready to go, can someone recommend an optimal PC hardware configuration? We want to do 3 out-the-window displays. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
On 7/17/07, Ralf Gerlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the information about the data sources can be found on the project homepage: http://www.custom-scenery.org/Oshkosh-Scenery.338.0.html Part of the data is based on a new method of automatic landcover classification from Landsat satellite imagery. The method is not new in that it is well-known in other areas. The method is new in the sense, that it was not yet applied to FlightGear scenery generation. Hi Ralf, this sounds very exciting. Is it something you are running locally, or part of a larger external project somewhere? Can this process locate lakes and rivers with any level of accuracy? What image resolution is available. At some point it would be fun to experiment with drawing the textures directly over the terrain ... as an option for people that like blurry airports and taxiways that disappear into mush when you get close to them. :-) What we could also improve on the scenery in a much more simple step would be to improve the textures. The current textures are much too contrast-poor. At least that's my impression when I compare what I see from above and what I see in FlightGear. Unfortunately, I'm not good at knowing in advance what will look good, I just see when it doesn't look good. The current texture set is a huge improvement over what we had before, which was a huge improvement over what we had before that, etc. etc. but yes, there is still plenty of room for additional improvements in the textures. Also, we really need to figure out a mechanism to blend the transition between textures so we don't have the hard edges we have now. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
AnMaster schrieb: Also where can I get the scenery, the link The scenery is available at ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Misc_rag/scenery/landsat_oshkosh.; redirects to a German page (http://www.uni-duisburg-essen.de/materialtechnik/) that I can't read... :( Regards, AnMaster Hi, click on the link above, it will work in your posting and my reply. I had the same problem with the Ralf's original link because my browser completed it with http://ftp. Just clicking in Firefox with the right mousebutton and save it to disk solved my problem. Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
Hi, AnMaster wrote: So, could scenery be mass generated with this method for all parts of the word it exist for? I understand scenery would be larger but with terrasync I only need to get the part I fly over anyway (for official scenery). The mass generation is our goal, but we are currently still in an experimentation phase. The results, however, seem promising, as can be seen in the Oshkosh scenery and the Berlin scenery. I am also working on a rebirth of the South Germany scenery based on this approach, but as for many contributors here, my time is limited and only sporadically available in the required amounts. ;-) The other part of the data is from the U.S. Census Bureau TIGER dataset, which is highly detailed and accurate, but only available for the US (or even only parts thereof, not sure currently). Ouch, I'm mostly interested in Europe (Sweden mainly). Yeah, that's also our problem... OSGeo? Who are they? http://www.osgeo.org/ It is the Open Source Geospatial Foundation, which organises a lot of different OSS GIS projects as well as efforts to acquire freely available geodata, such as our classification project. Also where can I get the scenery, the link The scenery is available at ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Misc_rag/scenery/landsat_oshkosh.; redirects to a German page (http://www.uni-duisburg-essen.de/materialtechnik/) that I can't read... :( Ups, sorry, I though I had fixed that. The text gives the correct link and the actual link should be fixed now. Cheers, Ralf - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Bohnert Paul wrote: Hi All, Thanks for rebuilding the Oshkosh tile. Also rebuild on the same tile, Appleton, KATW, and Fond du Lac, KFLD. FlightGear screen capture. Oshkosh, KOSH, with generic taxiways. http://pics.ww.com/v/coulee182/kosh+07-06.jpg.html KOSH with edited taxiways and aprons. http://pics.ww.com/v/coulee182/kosh-07-08.jpg.html Best to all, Paul B I downloaded and correctly installed your scenery yet I only get the generic taxiways, I know I installed in a path before the terrasync one in the scenery path so it should override. Any idea what is wrong? Regards, AnMaster -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGnTagWmK6ng/aMNkRCuhjAJ9i0+OAzNPOatWOrTqKjPyrdKwG8wCeLqJW neSSTyWBjVd+4C0UyRnjz+A= =jd1a -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pre-11 distribution for Windoze?
On 7/16/07, Bill Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a recently compiled distribution package of the Flight Gear 0.9.pre11 package available, say something built within the last month? Yes, the pre11 is actually the current plib branch. As such, you can find windows binaries at the usual place, namely ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/. Recently also Reagan Thomas is providing builds at http://139.78.95.188/flightgear/builds/plib/. Note that you still have to get the data package from cvs, preferably corresponding to the build date of the binary. -- Csaba - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Scenery for EAA Oshkosh
All, I downloaded the file landstat_oshkosh-20070714.tar.gz from the World Custom Scenery Project. I extracted the file. I copied the folder w090n40 into data/Scenery/Terrain/. I started FlighGear the new scenery was in place. I do not use Terrasync. I suspect Terrasync is fetching original scenery and ignoring the custom scenery. Best Regards, Paul B AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Bohnert Paul wrote: Hi All, Thanks for rebuilding the Oshkosh tile. Also rebuild on the same tile, Appleton, KATW, and Fond du Lac, KFLD. FlightGear screen capture. Oshkosh, KOSH, with generic taxiways. http://pics.ww.com/v/coulee182/kosh+07-06.jpg.html KOSH with edited taxiways and aprons. http://pics.ww.com/v/coulee182/kosh-07-08.jpg.html Best to all, Paul B I downloaded and correctly installed your scenery yet I only get the generic taxiways, I know I installed in a path before the terrasync one in the scenery path so it should override. Any idea what is wrong? Regards, AnMaster -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGnTagWmK6ng/aMNkRCuhjAJ9i0+OAzNPOatWOrTqKjPyrdKwG8wCeLqJW neSSTyWBjVd+4C0UyRnjz+A= =jd1a -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [ANN] OSG - Improved Weather Radar
On 7/10/07, Csaba Halász [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/1/07, Csaba Halász [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! Here is a new version of my radar patch. ... again ;) *** This is still for OSG only *** ... still. Changes: * Sync'd to HEAD (removed AI.diff, it is now in cvs) * Added hack workaround for reinit (something overwrites the view position properties after the reinit handler, can't find what) Thanks to Vivian for pointing out this bug. * apt.dat.gz contains tower agl height, so add apt elevation URL: http://w3.enternet.hu/jester/fgfs/atc-20070717.tgz [116kB] -- Csaba - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 787 Seg fault
Hi Josh Thanks for that everything seems to be working ok now with the new package you uploaded.Also there seems to be an improvement in frame rates from before. Cheers Innis JOSHUA WILSON writes Innis Cunningham Writes Are you saying you have just changed them or are they supposed to be changed in the zip I downloaded this morning because a quick look at the Eicas.ac would indicate it is still using the png texture. Cheers Innis After I tried the 787, I opened the eicas.ac, ndb.ac, and stby-alt.ac files using WordPad. I found png in stby-alt.ac, but not in the other two files. I replaced png with rgb and re-uploaded the model. I hope this takes care of it. Josh - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Find what you want at www.eBay.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%2F%3Fid%3D6_t=763807330_r=email_taglines_EBAY_m=EXT - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
