[Flightgear-devel] Setting OBS on command line/.fgfsrc

2010-03-03 Thread Alasdair
I am using FG cvs and have recently noticed that commands such as:
fgfs --prop:/instrumentation/nav/radials/selected-deg=63
no longer have any effect.

--prop:/instrumentation/nav/frequencies/selected-mhz=108.90
works fine.

Any ideas?

Alasdair


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Setting OBS on command line/.fgfsrc

2010-03-03 Thread John Denker
On 03/03/2010 06:13 AM, Alasdair wrote:
 I am using FG cvs and have recently noticed that commands such as:
 fgfs --prop:/instrumentation/nav/radials/selected-deg=63
 no longer have any effect.
 
 --prop:/instrumentation/nav/frequencies/selected-mhz=108.90
 works fine.

I observe the same bug here.  Only nav[0] is affected.

It's a bug in gps.cxx.  Or maybe multiple bugs.

Why the gps.cxx code has a compiled-in reference to
/instrumentation/nav[0]/radials/selected-deg is a
mystery to me.

Why the gps.cxx code thinks it can reach over and set 
the OBS on a KI-209 or similar indicator head is a 
mystery to me.

Why the gps.cxx code runs at all in aircraft that don't 
have a gps receiver installed is also a mystery to me.

The following workaround is something Mr. Spock would 
describe as crude but effective:

diff --git a/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx b/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
index 2f7455b..9bca740 100644
--- a/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
+++ b/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
@@ -250,6 +250,7 @@ GPS::Config::getExternalCourse() const
 void
 GPS::Config::setExternalCourse(double aCourseDeg)
 {
+  return;
   if (!_extCourseSource) {
 return;
   }

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Password SOMETIMES required

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
Gijs de Rooy wrote:
 j...@kingmont.com wrote:

 Just wanted to let folks know that SOMETIMES you will get a message 
 requiring 
 a user name and password when attempting to access the mirror site at 
 http://kingmont.com.
 
 The other two (official) mirrors have the same behaviour. Already for three 
 days...

Blame those idiots who are using download managers to create multiple
connections to a single host (for a single file)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New GUI Font

2010-03-03 Thread Alan Teeder
LCD is essentially a memory mapped array.
Each element is addressed by row and column, so in effect it can also be 
visualised as a raster display.
To draw a vector on such a display you have to calculate which row/column 
elements need to be illuminated.

With a vector display the hardware had a start and end X-Y positions defined 
for each vector. The spot was turned on by changing the potential at the CRT 
control grid and then X and Y were ramped to the end point before turning 
the spot off. It worked much like an analogue X-Y plotter.

This was very efficient for simple cartoon like graphics , and also gave a 
display with considerably higher contrast and brightness than the 
alternative raster displays of the time.
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Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] New GUI Font

 On Tuesday 02 Mar 2010, HB-GRAL wrote:
 Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
  * HB-GRAL -- Tuesday 02 March 2010:
  Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
  Helvetica is the default font used in HUDs (e.g. in the F16).
  While not perfect for that (there are MIL standards for
  this),
 
  Do you mean in real HUDs?
 
  Real HUDs use a MIL standard font. Ours use Helvetica. I even
  tuned that for the use in HUDs, as the prior version didn't
  look good in tapes. I don't say that yours is worse, just that
  it can't be swapped without checking. And a MIL spec compliant
  font should be the ultimate goal, anyway.

 Yes, I see that I misunderstood your comment about f-16.

 As I started to work for a 'all-in-one FG-Font' I had the HUD in
 mind and also signage because the original and OFL-Allerta is
 exactly for this purpose (there are some equal requirements for
 fonts in a display and for signage I think). Now the real
 standard numbers like yours(?) in the sign textures are miles
 better then anywhere and this standard is also used in some real
 HUDs. I think now it is better to separate all this things and
 not to work for a 'all-in-one'.

 Thanks- Yves

 Does anyone know if raster displays are used in modern HUDs?  The
 early first generation huds were all vector displays, of course,
 but Wikipedia says that second generation HUDs use an LCD screen to
 modulate the light from an LED.  However, it's still not clear to
 me whether this counts as a raster display (although it does
 suggest a raster mask).

 That all the HUD images I've ever seen, including modern ones, are
 still monochrome suggests that they're still essentially vector
 displays, for if the imagery is produced using an LCD then I'd
 expect to see different colours on the HUD, instead of the
 ubiquitous green (although red/orange has been used on some
 automobiles).

 If anyone can find some high-res pictures of _real_ HUD displays
 (and not ones from flight sims, as they're obviously going to be
 produced via a raster display) it should be possible to see the
 LCD 'dots' (unless they LCD screen uses a ridiculously high
 resolution, which doesn't really chime with the requirements for
 size and ruggedisation).

 Anyway, a vector type font should be used on older first generation
 HUDs for authenticity.

 LeeE

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Toshi,

The latest web page for downloading aircraft should reference the
Aircraft-2.0.0/ directory  argh! and I see that it does not.  That's a
stupid mistake on my part.  What a mess.  Ok, it is now fixed so the links
should point in the correct place.  Thank you for reporting this and
bringing it to my attention.

Curt.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
qzt04...@nifty.ne.jpwrote:

 Hi Curt,

 Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
 from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.

 Example of c172p:

 ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip

 ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
 ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip

 I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
 directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.

 The following is a current directory list of
 mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.

 ftp dir
 200 PORT command successful
 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
 lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft -
 Aircraft-1.9.
 1
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
 drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
 drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
 drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  users4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.0-0.6
 drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.7
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 19  2004 FC2
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 26  2006 Fedora
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 19  2006 MacOS
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Misc
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Promotional
 drwxr-xr-x   7 (?)  (?)  4096 Nov 22  2000 RawData
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 12  2004 RedHat
 lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  13 Feb 27 22:21 Scenery -
 Scenery-1.0.1
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Feb 27 22:22 Scenery-1.0.0
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Nov  3  2008 Scenery-1.0.1
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jan 25  2006 Scenery-Airspace
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2001 Scenery.Photo
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 19:14 Shared
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jul  1  2003 Solaris
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 17 21:02 Source
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 26 00:11 Win32
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 30  2000 tmp
 drwxr-xr-x  32 (?)  (?)  4096 Mar  7  2008 www
 226 Transfer complete
 ftp: 1941 bytes received in 0.13Seconds 15.53Kbytes/sec.

 Cheers,
 Toshi

 From: Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600

  I just updated the aircraft download page with all the latest aircraft
  updates to match FlightGear v2.0
 
  http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft-2.0.0/
 
  I notice that many of the new aircraft are missing thumbnails, and
 perhaps a
  few of the older aircraft could use updated thumbnails.  If we have a
  thumbnail update party here today and get new thumbnails added to the
  aircraft packages I can then regenerate the aircraft download page.
 
  Best regards,
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
OK, Curt.

Now I can download aircraft files correctly.

Thanks a lot for your quick work.

Cheers,
Toshi

From: Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:22:22 -0600

 Hi Toshi,
 
 The latest web page for downloading aircraft should reference the
 Aircraft-2.0.0/ directory  argh! and I see that it does not.  That's a
 stupid mistake on my part.  What a mess.  Ok, it is now fixed so the links
 should point in the correct place.  Thank you for reporting this and
 bringing it to my attention.
 
 Curt.
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
 qzt04...@nifty.ne.jpwrote:
 
 Hi Curt,

 Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
 from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.

 Example of c172p:

 ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip

 ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
 ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip

 I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
 directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.

 The following is a current directory list of
 mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.

 ftp dir
 200 PORT command successful
 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
 lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft -
 Aircraft-1.9.
 1
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
 drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
 drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
 drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  users4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.0-0.6
 drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.7
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 19  2004 FC2
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 26  2006 Fedora
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 19  2006 MacOS
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Misc
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Promotional
 drwxr-xr-x   7 (?)  (?)  4096 Nov 22  2000 RawData
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 12  2004 RedHat
 lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  13 Feb 27 22:21 Scenery -
 Scenery-1.0.1
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Feb 27 22:22 Scenery-1.0.0
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Nov  3  2008 Scenery-1.0.1
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jan 25  2006 Scenery-Airspace
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2001 Scenery.Photo
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 19:14 Shared
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jul  1  2003 Solaris
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 17 21:02 Source
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 26 00:11 Win32
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 30  2000 tmp
 drwxr-xr-x  32 (?)  (?)  4096 Mar  7  2008 www
 226 Transfer complete
 ftp: 1941 bytes received in 0.13Seconds 15.53Kbytes/sec.

 Cheers,
 Toshi

 From: Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600

  I just updated the aircraft download page with all the latest aircraft
  updates to match FlightGear v2.0
 
  http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft-2.0.0/
 
  I notice that many of the new aircraft are missing thumbnails, and
 perhaps a
  few of the older aircraft could use updated thumbnails.  If we have a
  thumbnail update party here today and get new thumbnails added to the
  aircraft packages I can then regenerate the aircraft download page.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Password SOMETIMES required

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote:

 Proftpd has the ability to limit the number of connections from any single
 host.

Yup, MaxClientsPerHost works pretty well as a 'general' rule, but
still doesn't yield the desired effect because the client hostname/IP
verification calls _after_ the initial connection has been accepted. In
consequence, download managers are quickly catching free connections,
thus filling the pool of allowed connections _before_ getting thrown
out.

Thus, limiting the number of connections per client indeed permits to
restrict the number of FTP data connections but unfortunately doesn't
result in a beneficial management of the allowed number of connections.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi,
 
 Wow...a Super Cub! That sounds great!
 
 I have a bit of time flying a Super Cub with a 150 hp
 Lycoming O-320 engine, but there were various engine
 configurations available. I know of everything from a 90 hp
 Continental, to a 180 hp Lycoming. But I think the 150 hp
 model was very popular. I also believe that there was a
 popular model with a 125 or 135hp Lycoming O-290, although I
 never flew one of those.
 
 I can see a significant benefit for having a
 high-performance tail-dragger like this in FG. If the model
 is good, this could be a trainer for floats or skis, for
 instance. I know we don't yet model differing surfaces, but
 maybe that will come one day.
 
 So if you decide to develop some sort of PA-18 Heiko, and
 you want some help researching the data or validating the
 FDM or something--just let me know. I'll help you in any way
 I can.
 
I won't model this aircraft. I'm already to busy with my still running 
projects, and of course Real-Life. 

But I hope also that someone will catch it up, so we will have one in FGFS!

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Curtis Olson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, stefan riemens wrote:

 On a related note, I miss the link to the base-package... It is
 available on the mirrors, but hard to find.


The logic is that people who are downloading the software and compiling it
themselves are the ones that need to download the data package.  People that
are just downloading the windows or mac precompiled packages already have
that data included.

So with that in mind, the link to the data package is included on the source
download page:

http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/source.shtml

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
Hi all,

From: stefan riemens fgfs.ste...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:32:56 +0100

 On a related note, I miss the link to the base-package... It is
 available on the mirrors, but hard to find.

I could find a link to the base package at
http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/source.shtml.


By the way, can I write some minor issues about web page?

http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/binary.shtml
 FlightGear ships with an extensive 109 page manual. We encourage
 people to at least take a glance through it, especially if they have
 questions or problems. 

Current manual of PDF version has 218 pages.

http://www.flightgear.org/docs.html
* FlightGear Short Reference  (Adobe PDF)
* FlightGear Short Reference (html) 

PDF version is good, but html version
(http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.

Can anyone correct makeshortref.sh to generate FGShortRef.html from
FGShortRef.tex?

makeshortref.sh 
http://cvs.flightgear.org/viewvc/docs/getstart/bin/makeshortref.sh

FGShortRef.tex
http://cvs.flightgear.org/viewvc/docs/getstart/source/FGShortRef.tex

Cheers,
Toshi

From: stefan riemens fgfs.ste...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:32:56 +0100

 On a related note, I miss the link to the base-package... It is
 available on the mirrors, but hard to find.
 
 Thanks,
 Stefan
 
 2010/3/3, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com:
 Hi Toshi,

 The latest web page for downloading aircraft should reference the
 Aircraft-2.0.0/ directory  argh! and I see that it does not.  That's a
 stupid mistake on my part.  What a mess.  Ok, it is now fixed so the links
 should point in the correct place.  Thank you for reporting this and
 bringing it to my attention.

 Curt.


 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
 qzt04...@nifty.ne.jpwrote:

 Hi Curt,

 Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
 from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.

 Example of c172p:

 ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip

 ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
 ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip

 I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
 directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.

 The following is a current directory list of
 mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.

 ftp dir
 200 PORT command successful
 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
 lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft -
 Aircraft-1.9.
 1
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
 drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
 drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
 drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
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 From: Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600

  I just updated the aircraft download page with all the latest aircraft
  updates to match FlightGear v2.0
 
  http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft-2.0.0/
 
  I notice that 

Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Curtis Olson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide  wrote:

 Current manual of PDF version has 218 pages.


I will fix the page count.


 PDF version is good, but html version
 (http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.


If someone sends me a new version I can update the web page.

Thanks,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
YOSHIMATSU Toshihide wrote:

 PDF version is good, but html version
 (http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.
 
 Can anyone correct makeshortref.sh to generate FGShortRef.html from
 FGShortRef.tex?

Done,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide  wrote:

 PDF version is good, but html version
 (http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.

 
 If someone sends me a new version I can update the web page.

  already in CVS (HTML plus CSS),

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Password SOMETIMES required

2010-03-03 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 3/3/10 5:16 PM, Curtis Olson wrote:
 Proftpd has the ability to limit the number of connections from any single
 host.  Otherwise one person often ends up grabbing all the available
 download slots.  Anyone want to look into a torrent?  Is there an easy
 recipe for setting one up?  What's the bandwidth required to seed it?

I am no expert on this at all, I haven't even created a seed yet. I 
suppose I am a leech but I browsed the web for a short while and came up 
with these suggestions:

1) Urgently, someone who has a decent upload speed and has his computer 
on-line 24/7 could seed the packages and publish them on fg web site and 
torrent tracker sites ... after reasonable time there would be enough 
copies available. Assuming that there are not too many leeches I don't 
think bandwidth is an issue.

2) Maybe web seeding could solve the problem? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#Web_seeding

3) Or maybe one of the current ftp site maintainers could utilize 
http://www.torrentflux.com/ which may help?

4) There are seed boxes that can be used for a cost, 
http://filesharefreak.com/2009/01/15/10-really-cheap-seedboxes-that-anyone-can-afford/

As I understand the problem for fg is that we cannot rely on someone 
seeding just to be nice, it must be a more central source. Naively I 
think this is accomplished by setting up a tracker for the fg torrents 
only (or use a public tracker) and providing a seed that is always 
online. This would guarantee the availability (avoid the swarm to die 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#The_leech_problem) of 
the packages but benefit from other peers during peak traffic. I think 
this is something that should be set up by the current bandwidth 
providers. They would benefit from the set up also.

Surely, there must be someone among the list readers who knows more 
about these things?


Jari

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch to protect terrasync SVN from ^C

2010-03-03 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Hi Jari,

- Jari Häkkinen a écrit :

 Great, I haven't had an opportunity to run the new version yet. I took
 time to compile though, and there is a problem compiling terrasync.cxx
 on mac because of Apples typedef of the signal handler. I attached a 
 small fix.

Your mail remind me I had a fix to commit. Your patch and the fix for the
naming problem are commited now

Thanks,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread syd adams
Ive been considering  it ... unless someone beats me to it. I did some quick
browsing and Im guessing the desired aircraft is the PA-18 
I flew in one almost 30 years ago , and its amazing how small a sand bar in
the middle of a river you can land on :)
Cheers

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to do a JSB fdm , I still dont know what Im doing when it comes to jsbsim .
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:22 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote:

 I could probably get a decent yasim FDM built , but someone  else would have
 to do a JSB fdm , I still dont know what Im doing when it comes to jsbsim .

JSBSim works best when you already have aircraft data (derivatives,
etc.) and want to stick the numbers into a flight model, though you
can also start with an existing one and try to tweak it for a slightly
different aircraft.  YASim works best when you have only the
(easily-obtainable) performance numbers and want to work backwards
from them.  So unless you have PA-18 testing data, YASim is probably
the way to go anyway.


All the best,


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Gary Neely
The Cub was the first plane I ever flew in, before I'd even been in a
commercial jet. A friend's father owned a Cub (probably a J-3, not a
Super Cub-- pretty sure we didn't have flaps though that was 30 years
ago and I'm not totally certain now), and we'd scrounge up some fuel
money and take it out from time to time. When the Cub was down for
maintenance or whatever, we'd reach deeper in our pre-college savings
and rent an Aeronca Champ. So for some time now I've considered
modeling the Super Cub (as the J-3 has been done) or the Champ.

For me, much depends on getting good plans with lots of detail and
exact measurements, and a half-hour's searching shows sources are
available without much effort. So-- Syd, if no one else steps up and
you're busy, and no one is in a screaming hurry to have the model (I
work pretty slow), I'd be interested in taking this on as a YASim
project, otherwise I'll defer to you and consider the Champ again, no
worries.

-Gary aka Buckaroo

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:22 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote:
 Ive been considering  it ... unless someone beats me to it. I did some quick
 browsing and Im guessing the desired aircraft is the PA-18 
 I flew in one almost 30 years ago , and its amazing how small a sand bar in
 the middle of a river you can land on :)
 Cheers

 P.S.
 I could probably get a decent yasim FDM built , but someone  else would have
 to do a JSB fdm , I still dont know what Im doing when it comes to jsbsim .



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread syd adams
 So-- Syd, if no one else steps up and

 you're busy, and no one is in a screaming hurry to have the model (I
 work pretty slow), I'd be interested in taking this on as a YASim
 project, otherwise I'll defer to you and consider the Champ again, no
 worries.

 -Gary aka Buckaroo



Well I'm definately stepping aside now :) ,... and considering the quality
and detail of your previous work , I cant wait to see the final results .
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Gary Neely
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:47 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote:
  So-- Syd, if no one else steps up and

 you're busy, and no one is in a screaming hurry to have the model (I
 work pretty slow), I'd be interested in taking this on as a YASim
 project, otherwise I'll defer to you and consider the Champ again, no
 worries.

 -Gary aka Buckaroo



 Well I'm definately stepping aside now :) ,... and considering the quality
 and detail of your previous work , I cant wait to see the final results .
 Cheers


Thank you Syd!

I am interested in doing a classic Super Cub using one of the more
common engine variants to establish a baseline model, but a follow-on
version based on a CubCrafters design, perhaps the Carbon Cub, would
make a very interesting comparison within Flightgear.

Curt, I think it's early, but if you wanted to pursue that contact
with CubCrafters, I would be willing and excited to work with you on
such a project.

-Gary

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