Re: [Flightgear-devel] Shaders flicker

2011-04-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:39:42 +0200, Robert wrote in message 
BANLkTi=osyhxkaoky-c8pa71sqk1t3p...@mail.gmail.com:

 2011/4/20 Robert dogg...@googlemail.com
 
  here is a screenshot:
 
  http://img251.imageshack.us/i/fgfsscreen077.png/

..hum, bright white nose, external screen shots?

  If you ask me it looks pretty much like z-fighting artefacts.
  Maybe a shader that doesnt account for near and far frustum?
 
 
 I had to fly pretty low to cause this flickering.

..could be it takes a system load to provoke this, try pile
up a bunch of web browser tabs with e.g. flash movies to eat
away resources we normally want to keep for FG and see what
happens.

 Also there is a flickering problem with panel instruments and cockpit
 itself,

..that's easily a 2'nd issue. ;o)

 But in about 300 screenshots I couldn't catch this issue
 because it lasts only a few frames and I don't have the reaction time
 of a machine :)

..piling up loads, helps.

 I think a video would be better to record the
 flickering on the cockpit-panel.

..agreed ;o), url?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Splitting fgdata

2011-04-20 Thread Roland Häder
Hi,

you can download my fgdata bundle from here [1]. You can (and should)
verify it with provided hashes and signature (GPG). After that you can
extract it with gitbundle (or so). The usage of that tool should be
widely documented.

Anyway, I like your idea (and many others here as well) because it
limits the fgdata repository only to the minimum-needed files to launch
FGFS.

Regards,
Roland

[1]: http://flightgear.mxchange.org/fgdata-bundle.html

On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 21:48 +0200, Cedric Sodhi wrote:
 Dear Subscribers,
 
 I'm in the unfortunate situation that I want to build from GIT and
 therefore need the fgdata. But despite my rather good (20Mbs) connection
 it's impossible for me to obtain the whole repository from scratch. It's
 about 8.4 Gigabytes, I can rightfully assume one of the biggest
 repositories that GIT has ever seen and, for just the size of the data
 without history, probably the biggest there exist.
 [...]


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Splitting fgdata

2011-04-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:17:35 +0200, Roland wrote in message 
1303319855.23358.110.camel@quix0r:

 Hi,
 
 you can download my fgdata bundle from here [1]. You can (and should)
 verify it with provided hashes and signature (GPG). After that you can
 extract it with gitbundle (or so). The usage of that tool should be
 widely documented.

 [1]: http://flightgear.mxchange.org/fgdata-bundle.html

..should say: wget -c \
http://flightgear.mxchange.org/pub/fgfs/fgdata.bundle
so the download can be resumed if it stalls or somesuch, 
rather than try wget the whole bundle into fgdata.bundle.1,
fgdata.bundle.2 because etc those widely documented writings 
aren't as widely read. ;o)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Splitting fgdata

2011-04-20 Thread Roland Häder
Hi,

will be fixed soon. Thanks. :-)

Roland

On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:05 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 ..should say: wget -c \
 http://flightgear.mxchange.org/pub/fgfs/fgdata.bundle
 so the download can be resumed if it stalls or somesuch, 
 rather than try wget the whole bundle into fgdata.bundle.1,
 fgdata.bundle.2 because etc those widely documented writings 
 aren't as widely read. ;o)
 



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Splitting fgdata

2011-04-20 Thread Csaba Halász
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote:

 ..should say: wget -c \
 http://flightgear.mxchange.org/pub/fgfs/fgdata.bundle
 so the download can be resumed if it stalls or somesuch,
 rather than try wget the whole bundle into fgdata.bundle.1,
 fgdata.bundle.2 because etc those widely documented writings
 aren't as widely read. ;o)

man wget:

   Note that you don't need to specify this option if you just
want the current invocation of Wget to retry
   downloading a file should the connection be lost midway
through.  This is the default behavior.  `-c' only
   affects resumption of downloads started _prior_ to this
invocation of Wget, and whose local files are still
   sitting around.

PS: installed nouveau, not much luck with it yet

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] terragear-cs segfault

2011-04-20 Thread Martin Spott
Geoff McLane wrote:

 I know and read some, like Martin, want to go perhaps
 another direction, and that too is fine...

Well, what I am (we are) having in mind is to provide some sort of a
scenery root node to FlightGear in the way like you're typically
referencing OpenFlight scenarios.  This _might_ lead to different
scenery formats in the long term but there's no reason which impedes
providing such a feature by replacing directory names and STG-files
with a slightly different 'metadata' infrastructure around the same
flavour of BTG-files we're using today.
This would at least serve as a start, simply by moving the Scenery
directory logic out of hard-coded source into the Scenery itself.

But until we're starting to target the directory logic, there are more
pressing issues to solve 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Splitting fgdata

2011-04-20 Thread Roland Häder
Hi,

I have updated my little website, plus the fgdata.bundle and all
checksum files and signature.

I will try to add a shell script to automatically recreate the bundle
including all checksum files (signature is STRONGLY not recommended with
automatism because you need give the server your private key and that
will compromise it).

Regards,
Roland

On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 00:26 +0200, Csaba Halász wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote:
 
  ..should say: wget -c \
  http://flightgear.mxchange.org/pub/fgfs/fgdata.bundle
  so the download can be resumed if it stalls or somesuch,
  rather than try wget the whole bundle into fgdata.bundle.1,
  fgdata.bundle.2 because etc those widely documented writings
  aren't as widely read. ;o)
 
 PS: installed nouveau, not much luck with it yet
PS: Still good luck with it. :) I saw it is experimental.



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[Flightgear-devel] Future repository for non-GPL aircraft

2011-04-20 Thread Ryan M
Something I've always thought about is an official aircraft repository
that contained non-GPL2 aircraft- straight from the authors, of course.
There are many aircraft for FlightGear that are not GPL-licensed (some
of them very well-developed, like the Tu-154b and the MD-81), and I
think it'd be best if we had an official repository for them. Currently,
they are hosted on a number of unofficial hangars, decreasing their
visibility and their accessibility to the end-user.

This discussion has been raised before on the forums; just thought I'd
mention it here. Sorry if there's been a previous conversation about
this and I've resurrected a dead topic.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Future repository for non-GPL aircraft

2011-04-20 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
Ryan M tpbspamm...@gmail.com writes:

 Something I've always thought about is an official aircraft repository
 that contained non-GPL2 aircraft- straight from the authors, of course.
 There are many aircraft for FlightGear that are not GPL-licensed (some
 of them very well-developed, like the Tu-154b and the MD-81), and I
 think it'd be best if we had an official repository for them. Currently,
 they are hosted on a number of unofficial hangars, decreasing their
 visibility and their accessibility to the end-user.

 This discussion has been raised before on the forums; just thought I'd
 mention it here. Sorry if there's been a previous conversation about
 this and I've resurrected a dead topic.

Eventually, this could even develop into a PlaneStore.  The models could
be used for visualization for free, but to pilot one, the users could
have to pay a (small) fee to the authors.   

I'm not specifically advocating it, but with the right structure, this
could motivate plane developers, if we need that.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Splitting fgdata

2011-04-20 Thread Cedric Sodhi
I appreciate your effort Roland. I hope this workarround doesn't take
the momentum from the original endeavor, though.


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:17:43AM +0200, Roland Häder wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have updated my little website, plus the fgdata.bundle and all
 checksum files and signature.
 
 I will try to add a shell script to automatically recreate the bundle
 including all checksum files (signature is STRONGLY not recommended with
 automatism because you need give the server your private key and that
 will compromise it).
 
 Regards,
 Roland
 
 On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 00:26 +0200, Csaba Halász wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote:
  
   ..should say: wget -c \
   http://flightgear.mxchange.org/pub/fgfs/fgdata.bundle
   so the download can be resumed if it stalls or somesuch,
   rather than try wget the whole bundle into fgdata.bundle.1,
   fgdata.bundle.2 because etc those widely documented writings
   aren't as widely read. ;o)
  
  PS: installed nouveau, not much luck with it yet
 PS: Still good luck with it. :) I saw it is experimental.
 



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