Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

Hi Chris,
 
Thanks for the suggestion about the correct method I should have used for downsampling the textures. 
 
The updated set is now available it features:
 
*Correctly downsampled Low-res textures.
*Revised version of Drycrop1, Drycrop2, and Drycrop3 (these are sharper, and less repetitive).  
 
You can download it from:
 
http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix
 
-Rob

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

On 3/25/06, Chris Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:22:28 -0500Rob Oates wrote:>> The new High-resolution texture set (as well as updates to the low res
> set) are now available, you can get them from my site:>> http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenixHi.  I'm a bit confused about these.  I took a quick look at them
and they don't look like high-resolution textures.  They look like*larger* textures, but not higher-resolution.  In other words, it'snot that they contain the same image as the lower-resolution, justwith more pixels (which is the way the standard low-res and high-res
textures work); instead, they contain a larger image (the "lowresolution" image comprising the upper-left-hand quadrant of the"high resolution" image).  Do I have this right?  If so, they
shouldn't work in the way that the high-res textures are supposedto work.  The features in the "high-res" images, when used, willappear half the size of the exact same features in the "low-res"
images.-c
 
Yes, the low-res set is just a cropped down version of the high res set. I wasn't too sure If I should have resampled the set or cropped them.  Thanks for the clarification on how I should have handled the low-res set, I'll fix the set tonight and include some slight adjustments to drycrop1, drycrop2, and drycrop3 so that their patterns appear less repetitve over a great distances. 
 

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Chris Metzler]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:22:28 -0500
Rob Oates wrote:
>
> The new High-resolution texture set (as well as updates to the low res
> set) are now available, you can get them from my site:
> 
> http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix

Hi.  I'm a bit confused about these.  I took a quick look at them
and they don't look like high-resolution textures.  They look like
*larger* textures, but not higher-resolution.  In other words, it's
not that they contain the same image as the lower-resolution, just
with more pixels (which is the way the standard low-res and high-res
textures work); instead, they contain a larger image (the "low
resolution" image comprising the upper-left-hand quadrant of the
"high resolution" image).  Do I have this right?  If so, they
shouldn't work in the way that the high-res textures are supposed
to work.  The features in the "high-res" images, when used, will
appear half the size of the exact same features in the "low-res"
images.

-c


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

The new High-resolution texture set (as well as updates to the low res set) are now available, you can get them from my site:

http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix


-Rob

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Mark]

Run time scenery bumb-mapping was already implemented some time ago by
some russian developer.
However it never made it to cvs. But I don't know why:

http://mail.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2005-April/035721.html

Erik Hofman wrote:

> Buchanan, Stuart wrote:
>
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>> Are you bump-mapping the textures at run-time? If so, how?
>
>
> Nah, just altering the textures using Gimp.
> Runtime bump-mapping would be a great addition though.
>
> Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Erik Hofman]

Buchanan, Stuart wrote:

Hi Erik,

Are you bump-mapping the textures at run-time? If so, how?


Nah, just altering the textures using Gimp.
Runtime bump-mapping would be a great addition though.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Buchanan, Stuart]

Hi Erik,

Are you bump-mapping the textures at run-time? If so, how?

-Stuart

--- Erik Hofman wrote:
> Rob Oates wrote:
> > I've updated my site with 2 new screen shots of the progress I am
> making 
> > with the High-res texture set.
> > 
> > http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix/gallery.html
> 
> 
> I don't know if you already do this but I added a bit of bump mapping to
> 
> the previous textures and was pleasantly surprised by the looks of it. 
> You might want to consider that too.
> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Erik Hofman]

Rob Oates wrote:
I've updated my site with 2 new screen shots of the progress I am making 
with the High-res texture set.


http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix/gallery.html



I don't know if you already do this but I added a bit of bump mapping to 
the previous textures and was pleasantly surprised by the looks of it. 
You might want to consider that too.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

I've updated my site with 2 new screen shots of the progress I am making with the High-res texture set.

http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix/gallery.html

-Rob

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Georg Vollnhals]

alessandro marassi schrieb:

Hi.
I use UFO to examine scenery.
I start from an airport, position the vehicle in air (altitude, longitude,
latitude, heading).
Is there a way to make it just hover in air setting its speed to 0?

thanks
Alex


Hi,
if you use FG CVS or Fred's binaries of 0.9.10 (see bottom) then you can 
use Melchior Franz' great UFO improvement - speed reduction with the "flaps"
Your actual speed setting is displayed when you select flap down/up and 
it makes navigating the UFO to a selected point very comfortable!


And you will get "Zero" speed with this even if your joystick-throttle 
is not very precise (null-zone).


Georg EDDW

Here is what Fred mailed to us:

It seems that 0.9.10 is under way. This is just a reminder that there
are Win32 builds of fgfs and other fg tools here :

ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32

Try them *before* the release, give feedbacks, and this release will be
successful.

Thanks,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Josh Babcock]

alessandro marassi wrote:
> Hi.
> I use UFO to examine scenery.
> I start from an airport, position the vehicle in air (altitude, longitude,
> latitude, heading).
> Is there a way to make it just hover in air setting its speed to 0?
> 

> 

Um, pull the throttle back to zero? If this does not work for you than
you probably need to calibrate your joystick.

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[Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery]

[Georg Vollnhals]

 Original-Nachricht 
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Datum:  Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:55:52 +0100
Von:Georg Vollnhals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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alessandro marassi schrieb:

Hi.
I use UFO to examine scenery.
I start from an airport, position the vehicle in air (altitude, longitude,
latitude, heading).
Is there a way to make it just hover in air setting its speed to 0?

thanks
Alex


Hi,
if you use FG CVS or Fred's binaries of 0.9.10 (see bottom) then you can 
use Melchior Franz' great UFO improvement - speed reduction with the "flaps"
Your actual speed setting is displayed when you select flap down/up and 
it makes navigating the UFO to a selected point very comfortable!


And you will get "Zero" speed with this even if your joystick-throttle 
is not very precise (null-zone).


Georg EDDW

Here is what Fred mailed to us:

It seems that 0.9.10 is under way. This is just a reminder that there
are Win32 builds of fgfs and other fg tools here :

ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32

Try them *before* the release, give feedbacks, and this release will be
successful.

Thanks,
-Fred




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Fw: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[alessandro marassi]

> Hi.
> I use UFO to examine scenery.
> I start from an airport, position the vehicle in air (altitude, longitude,
> latitude, heading).
> Is there a way to make it just hover in air setting its speed to 0?
>
> thanks
> Alex



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[alessandro marassi]

Hi.
I use UFO to examine scenery.
I start from an airport, position the vehicle in air (altitude, longitude,
latitude, heading).
Is there a way to make it just hover in air setting its speed to 0?

thanks
Alex

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> Justin Smithies wrote:
>
> > I cant get anything from this url Rob ?
>
> try http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix
>
> -Fred
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Frederic Bouvier]

Justin Smithies wrote:

> I cant get anything from this url Rob ?

try http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Justin Smithies]

On Sunday 19 March 2006 21:14, Ralf Gerlich wrote:
I cant get anything from this url Rob ?

http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~pheonix

Where are the textures kept ?

Regards,
Justin Smithies



> Hi,
>
> Rob Oates schrieb:
> > I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should look a
> > little more interesting than the current set. If you want to try them
> > out you can and download the current beta from my site
> > http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~pheonix any feedback would be greatly
> > appreciated.
>
> Rob, these look quite good. I have posted a small set of screenshots
> from these textures in the Lake Constance scenery at
> ]=75>
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Ralf Gerlich]

Hi,

Rob Oates schrieb:
I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should look a 
little more interesting than the current set. If you want to try them 
out you can and download the current beta from my site 
http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~pheonix any feedback would be greatly 
appreciated.


Rob, these look quite good. I have posted a small set of screenshots 
from these textures in the Lake Constance scenery at 



Cheers,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Chris Metzler]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:52:42 -0500
Rob Oates wrote:
>On 3/16/06, Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Just one thing, are we actually allowed to release those textures
>> under the terms of the GPL? For example, spaceimaging.com allowed us
>> to use subsets of their sample images provided the original could not
>> be reconstructed as a whole.
> 
> 
> I am happy the textures are being well recieved. Please feel free to
> commit these textures to CVS.
> 
> My only source was the public domain USGS Urban images from
> terraserver-usa.com this should be compatible with GPL.

To quote terraserver-usa.com about this:

} The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) provides the Microsoft® TerraServer
} site with images and maps of the United States. The images are in the
} public domain, and are freely available for you to download, use and
} re-distribute. If you download and use any images, the TerraServer team
} and the USGS appreciate a reference to our work on this project.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

On 3/16/06, Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Curtis L. Olson wrote:> But a higher res set of what you just did would be awsome.  I'm very
> much looking forward to it.  And with your permission (and with no one> else's objections), I think they should go into CVS.Just one thing, are we actually allowed to release those textures underthe terms of the GPL? For example, 
spaceimaging.com allowed us to usesubsets of their sample images provided the original could not bereconstructed as a whole.Erik
 
I am happy the textures are being well recieved. Please feel free to commit these textures to CVS. 
My only source was the public domain USGS Urban images from terraserver-usa.com this should be compatible with GPL.
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Erik Hofman]

Curtis L. Olson wrote:

But a higher res set of what you just did would be awsome.  I'm very 
much looking forward to it.  And with your permission (and with no one 
else's objections), I think they should go into CVS.


Just one thing, are we actually allowed to release those textures under 
the terms of the GPL? For example, spaceimaging.com allowed us to use 
subsets of their sample images provided the original could not be 
reconstructed as a whole.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[John Wojnaroski]

If you could improve the look with desert textures that would just about 
cover the map.  Go up to Edwards AFB or the Palmdale area and look 
around and you will see the problem.


JW

Rob Oates wrote:

Yeah, It should not be too difficult to make hires textures from this 
set, and I could have something ready by next week Friday.
 
My main goal is to eventually create regional specific textures for 
different parts of the world and have them defined in the 
materials.xml file. Hopefully this will be useful when 
rebuilding regional sections of scenery.
 
 
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Curtis L. Olson]

Rob Oates wrote:

Yeah, It should not be too difficult to make hires textures from this 
set, and I could have something ready by next week Friday.
 
My main goal is to eventually create regional specific textures for 
different parts of the world and have them defined in the 
materials.xml file. Hopefully this will be useful when 
rebuilding regional sections of scenery.



Perhaps in the short term we could abuse the seasonal functionality to 
also do region specific textures, for instance, instead of Summer and 
Winter, we could have Europe-Summer, Europe-Winter, Australia-Fall, 
USA-Spring, etc. etc. ...


But a higher res set of what you just did would be awsome.  I'm very 
much looking forward to it.  And with your permission (and with no one 
else's objections), I think they should go into CVS.


Thanks,

Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

Yeah, It should not be too difficult to make hires textures from this set, and I could have something ready by next week Friday. 
 
My main goal is to eventually create regional specific textures for different parts of the world and have them defined in the materials.xml file. Hopefully this will be useful when rebuilding regional sections of scenery.

 
 
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Curtis L. Olson]

Erik Hofman wrote:


Rob Oates wrote:


I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should
look a little more interesting than the current set. If you want to
try them out you can and download the current beta from my site
http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix any feedback would be
greatly appreciated.



Is there any reason not to include them in CVS already?


I think they look great and in many areas really improve the out-the-window 
view.  I vote for including them.

Question: is there any way to make a 'hires' set of these?  The provided 
textures are all 256x256, but we have the capability of doing higher res 
textures for people with enough memory on their cards to support it.  2x or 4x 
the resolution would really sharpen up the view.

Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[alexis bory]

Rob Oates a écrit :


> I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should
> look a little more interesting than the current set. If you want to
> try them out you can and download the current beta from my site
> http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~pheonix any feedback would be
> greatly appreciated.

Simply great !

Thanks a lot, I keep it.

Alexis



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Josh Babcock]

Erik Hofman wrote:
> Rob Oates wrote:
> 
>> I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should
>> look a little more interesting than the current set. If you want to
>> try them out you can and download the current beta from my site
>> http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix any feedback would be
>> greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Is there any reason not to include them in CVS already?
> 
> Erik
> 
> 

Very nice. Do you plan on making different textures for different parts
of the world? We don't have the capability to use them yet, but it has
been talked about a lot. If the textures were there to be used, I am
sure that it would motivate someone to contribute the code.

Josh


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Erik Hofman]

Rob Oates wrote:


I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should
look a little more interesting than the current set. If you want to
try them out you can and download the current beta from my site
http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix any feedback would be
greatly appreciated.


Is there any reason not to include them in CVS already?

Erik


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[alessandro marassi]

Very interesting, indeed!
In particular New England area seems very 
realistic.
As a matter of fact you have substituted the old 
textures with new ones got from satellite photos.
Could you show the same areas before and after in 
order to be able to compare them?
 
I have downloaded the new textures and I'll try 
them
thanks
Alex
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rob Oates 
  
  To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:31 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 
  FlightGear photo scenery
  
  oops the correct address is:
   
  http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix
   
   
  On 3/16/06, Rob 
  Oates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  

On 3/13/06, alessandro marassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 

  
  Hi.I 
  have searched a way to use real photos in FG scenery generation.As far 
  as I know there are 2 feasible ways to accomplish it:1. model a 
  simple flat rectangular surface as 3D object and map the photo upon 
  it;2. use chop.pl and photo.cxx and then TerraGear;Both 
  methods work only for small areas.The main problem seems to be the 
  fact that FlightGear doesn't do any texture 
  paging yet. Has anyone tried to give FlightGear texture paging capability in order touse 
  photo stuff instead of sintetically generated scenery?
  Is there 
  any short/middle term project in this 
  sense?thanksAlex

I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should 
look a little more interesting than the current set. If you want to try 
them out you can and download the current beta from my site http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~pheonix any feedback 
would be greatly appreciated.

 
-Rob

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

oops the correct address is:
 
http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~phoenix
 
 
On 3/16/06, Rob Oates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 3/13/06, alessandro marassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 


Hi.I have searched a way to use real photos in FG scenery generation.As far as I know there are 2 feasible ways to accomplish it:1. model a simple flat rectangular surface as 3D object and map the photo 
upon it;2. use chop.pl and photo.cxx and then TerraGear;Both methods work only for small areas.The main problem seems to be the fact that FlightGear doesn't do any texture paging yet.
Has anyone tried to give FlightGear texture paging capability in order touse photo stuff instead of sintetically generated scenery?
Is there any short/middle term project in this sense?thanksAlex

I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should look a little more interesting than the current set. If you want to try them out you can and download the current beta from my site 
http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~pheonix any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

 
-Rob

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[Rob Oates]

On 3/13/06, alessandro marassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi.I have searched a way to use real photos in FG scenery generation.As far as I know there are 2 feasible ways to accomplish it:1. model a simple flat rectangular surface as 3D object and map the photo
upon it;2. use chop.pl and photo.cxx and then TerraGear;Both methods work only for small areas.The main problem seems to be the fact that FlightGear doesn't do any texture
paging yet.Has anyone tried to give FlightGear texture paging capability in order touse photo stuff instead of sintetically generated scenery?
Is there any short/middle term project in this sense?thanksAlex
I created a new set of world textures for Flightgear which should look a little more interesting than the current set. If you want to try them out you can and download the current beta from my site 
http://mellonroot.acomp.usf.edu/~pheonix any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
 
-Rob

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear photo scenery

[alessandro marassi]

Hi.I have 
searched a way to use real photos in FG scenery generation.As far as I know 
there are 2 feasible ways to accomplish it:1. model a simple flat 
rectangular surface as 3D object and map the photoupon it;2. use chop.pl 
and photo.cxx and then TerraGear;Both methods work only for small 
areas.The main problem seems to be the fact that FlightGear doesn't do any 
texturepaging yet.Has anyone tried to give FlightGear texture paging 
capability in order touse photo stuff instead of sintetically generated 
scenery?
Is there any 
short/middle term project in this 
sense?thanksAlex