Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:11:38 +0200, Arnt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:59:29 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt, Arnt Karlsen wrote: (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) ..fixed, thanks. Wifi link out was down 1300 thru 1500 UTC today. ..and then again from about 1600UTC to sometime this morning. TerraGear build-terror remains unsolved, diagnosis help needed. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
Quoting Arnt Karlsen : (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) ..fixed, thanks. Wifi link out was down 1300 thru 1500 UTC today. ..and then again from about 1600UTC to sometime this morning. TerraGear build-terror remains unsolved, diagnosis help needed. Interesting diagnostic messages are in config.log Look at it, or post a link to it. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:49:35 +0200, Frederic wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Arnt Karlsen : (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) ..fixed, thanks. Wifi link out was down 1300 thru 1500 UTC today. ..and then again from about 1600UTC to sometime this morning. TerraGear build-terror remains unsolved, diagnosis help needed. Interesting diagnostic messages are in config.log Look at it, or post a link to it. ..thanks, http://80.239.32.252/TerraGear.config.log -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:34:02 +0200, Arnt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:49:35 +0200, Frederic wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Arnt Karlsen : (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) ..fixed, thanks. Wifi link out was down 1300 thru 1500 UTC today. ..and then again from about 1600UTC to sometime this morning. TerraGear build-terror remains unsolved, diagnosis help needed. Interesting diagnostic messages are in config.log Look at it, or post a link to it. ..thanks, http://80.239.32.252/TerraGear.config.log ..and you probably wanna consider wget -c --retry-connrefused \ --tries=0 --timeout=15 --dns-timeout=15 --connect-timeout=15 \ -w 5 http://80.239.32.252/TerraGear.config.log , lotsa noise now, wifi link. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
Quoting Arnt Karlsen : On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:49:35 +0200, Frederic wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Arnt Karlsen : (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) ..fixed, thanks. Wifi link out was down 1300 thru 1500 UTC today. ..and then again from about 1600UTC to sometime this morning. TerraGear build-terror remains unsolved, diagnosis help needed. Interesting diagnostic messages are in config.log Look at it, or post a link to it. ..thanks, http://80.239.32.252/TerraGear.config.log libplibul.* is not found. By the way, --with-plib is not a valid terragear configure option. Try this instead : $ CXXFLAGS=-I/opt/include LDFLAGS=-L/opt/lib ./configure your other option flags -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
Frederic Bouvier wrote: libplibul.* is not found. By the way, --with-plib is not a valid terragear configure option. Try this instead : $ CXXFLAGS=-I/opt/include LDFLAGS=-L/opt/lib ./configure your other option flags Or possibly a bit simpler, try: $ ./configure --prefix=/opt If you use a consistent prefix for plib, simgear, openal, flightgear, and terragear, they should all be happy. I've built the whole chain of tools in nonstandard locations this way. For what it's worth, --prefix=/opt implicitely adds /opt/include to the include path and /opt/lib to the library path. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:26:22 -0400, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lee Elliott wrote: lowest I dared stall? Like he had a choice? ..or no chute? Or, not wanting to risk an unique plane? Could be fun modelling it to see how close we get to it. (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
Arnt, Arnt Karlsen wrote: (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) Do you really think you're making new friends by hijacking every thread that comes by and posting your non-functional URL to each of them ? I heavily doubt, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:59:29 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt, Arnt Karlsen wrote: (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) ..fixed, thanks. Wifi link out was down 1300 thru 1500 UTC today. TerraGear build-terror remains unsolved, diagnosis help needed. My isp's smtp box is down too, but that's no big deal, pop3 and webmail works ok. Do you really think you're making new friends by hijacking every thread that comes by and posting your non-functional URL to each of them ? I heavily doubt, ..I trying to stay friends building TerraGear and some new scenery. And last time I cc:ed you, you got caustic, but you set Reply-to: to both yourself and the list, this time too. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
Quoting Arnt Karlsen: (Back to http://80.239.32.252/terrorgear.configure.fails) ..fixed, thanks. Wifi link out was down 1300 thru 1500 UTC today. TerraGear build-terror remains unsolved, diagnosis help needed. My isp's smtp box is down too, but that's no big deal, pop3 and webmail works ok. Not fixed, the error is forbidden. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 13:35, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:26:22 -0400, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lee Elliott wrote: lowest I dared stall? Like he had a choice? ..or no chute? Or, not wanting to risk an unique plane? Could be fun modelling it to see how close we get to it. [snip...] Well, yes he did have a choice. At the time that those comments were written there were quite a few Swifts flitting about the sky. In this particular report the pilot was comparing what was then the _current_ model with an earlier version, which he had also flown. He would have been aware, not only from his personal previous experience with the Swift, but also from talking to other pilots who had also flown the type, of what he might expect in the air, so when he went up to check out it's stall performance and characteristics he would have done it at a safe height and with a good idea of what to expect. There is a lot left unsaid though - from the same article: 'Former Cromwellian Leonard Snaith flew the prototype Swift on many occasions and during one flight flick-rolled it. The Swift continued to roll three times, Snaith describing the manoeuvre as a horizontal spin. He did not recall how the Swift recovered or at what altitude. Comper, who had been watching Snaith's display, was later found at the bar downing double brandies' Apparently, when rigged and trimmed correctly for level flight, hands-off you would have been likely to find it yawing to the right and rolling to the left, but this sort of behaviour appears to have been pretty normal for aircraft of the time. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
Hi Dene, Just as well I said I would check :) Here are the _correct_ figures for the Comper Swift fitted with the Pobjoy R seven cylinder radial engine (as modelled) Cruise: 120 mph (104.2 kt) Max: 140 mph (121.6 kt) Landing/Stall 40 mph (34 kt) Not sure exactly what is meant by the Landing/Stall speed :s but in a flight report from 1931 the pilot said The elevators give a much better impression of effectiveness down to about 45 mph - which was the slowest to which I dared stall - here he was comparing a model where the cut-out in the wing trailing edge for the cockpit had been smoothed with an earlier model where it was more angular. The same pilot went on to say that he felt happiest landing at 55 mph (47.8 kt) HTH LeeE Thanks Lee thats all I need for a realistic AI Scenario... I don't think anyone will complain if the sim lands at 45-50 knots ... I suspect the Landing/stall figure is in fact *stall in landing configuration* (ie flaps) this seems to be a very popular figure to provide in performance data. Thanks again :-D ene _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 21:40, dene maxwell wrote: Hi Dene, Just as well I said I would check :) Here are the _correct_ figures for the Comper Swift fitted with the Pobjoy R seven cylinder radial engine (as modelled) Cruise: 120 mph (104.2 kt) Max: 140 mph (121.6 kt) Landing/Stall 40 mph (34 kt) Not sure exactly what is meant by the Landing/Stall speed :s but in a flight report from 1931 the pilot said The elevators give a much better impression of effectiveness down to about 45 mph - which was the slowest to which I dared stall - here he was comparing a model where the cut-out in the wing trailing edge for the cockpit had been smoothed with an earlier model where it was more angular. The same pilot went on to say that he felt happiest landing at 55 mph (47.8 kt) HTH LeeE Thanks Lee thats all I need for a realistic AI Scenario... I don't think anyone will complain if the sim lands at 45-50 knots ... I suspect the Landing/stall figure is in fact *stall in landing configuration* (ie flaps) this seems to be a very popular figure to provide in performance data. Thanks again :-D ene Just thought I'd better point out that the Swift doesn't have flaps ;) LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
Lee Elliott wrote: lowest I dared stall? Like he had a choice? Josh ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lee Elliot-ComperSwift
On Sunday 04 June 2006 09:46, dene maxwell wrote: Hi Lee, I have some questions regarding the ComperSwift; I would like to use it in the FGLive-KOSH CD being put together by Arnt... i know under GPL I don't have to ask for permission but would like your comment... particularly as I'm missing one important figure - cruise speed :-)... I don't really have time to download/install and get : familiar with the aircraft as it will be used in an AI scenario and just need to know the basic flight parameters/performance figures I have the J3, 172P C28-161 as low speed(90knt comfortable)aircraft for the standard NOTAM approaches and there are heaps of 140knt+ aircraft to choose from (AIR New Zealand 737 ;-)...but need 5 low speed civilian aircraft. The Rascal110 also looks a good candidate to fill the fifth spot :...similar figures would be required for that too... if you would prefer to take this off list please feel free to mail be direct.. TIA :-D ene Hi Dene, I'll check the figures for you in the next couple of days but iirc cruise speed was 100 mph @ 3000 (eng) rpm, max speed 130 mph @ 3300 (eng) rpm - eng rpm quoted because the prop was geared. Actually, I've flown it quite recently, to do a bit of virtual geology over the Channelled Scab Lands in Washington state (worth a look in FG) and it seems to be flying pretty close to the right numbers, engine included. Not so sure about the handling though - it should be tail-heavy and inclined to loop if you let go of the stick, which doesn't happen in FG. Like I said though, I'll check the numbers and get back to you in the next few days. Thank-you Lee I've managed to google 172P, PA28-161, J3 Cub, C310, Spitfire IIa and get the figures; Max Speed, Cruise Speed, Stall Speed I tried with the ComperSwift but there is precious little info apart from history type stuff. You make a good point re it being GPL'd - it is and what is in FG isn't mine. However, I think it's probably a good idea to try to talk to any people who created or subsequently developed the work because they will have done a lot of research on it and could save you a lot of time. Look forward to hearing from you. Dene _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
