Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[AnMaster]

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Wow nice. Can I get the aircraft somewhere? Maybe a tarball and help test it? :D

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

flying.toaster wrote:
> Yet work in progress but it may become a worthwhile addition to the carrier 
> borne aircraft in a short while
> Done with 4x FSAA
> 
> http://sfp1.site.voila.fr/flightgear/TomcatNimitz.jpg
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Enrique
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[flying.toaster]

Yet work in progress but it may become a worthwhile addition to the carrier 
borne aircraft in a short while
Done with 4x FSAA

http://sfp1.site.voila.fr/flightgear/TomcatNimitz.jpg

Greetings

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
> * gerard robin -- Wednesday 19 December 2007:
> > I don't agree,   :)
> >
> > in reality the Osprey lands on Carrier, and is 'driven' to the hangar
> > (elevator).
>
> OK, so far you *agree* ...  :-)
>
> > Within FG when you have land it on the   Carrier you can manage to taxis
> > it( admit not easy) with propeller running to the elevator place.
>
> Ah, ok. But in real life one would land, fold, and then be pulled
> to the elevator. In fgfs you land, hop to the elevator, fold,
> and get down.  :-]
>
> m.
>
I meant we can taxis on runway or deck, only with the rotor running (these 
helos have wheel)
It less easy (i am not a good pilot) to land exactly  on the elevator.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, Maik Justus wrote:
> Hi Gerard,
>
> gerard robin schrieb am 19.12.2007 15:51:
> > On mer 19 décembre 2007, Maik Justus wrote:
> >> Hi Gerard,
> >>
> >> gerard robin schrieb am 19.12.2007 14:44:
> >>> Here Osprey with rotors all folded up, on elevator
> >>>
> >>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Osprey_on_carrier.jpg
> >>>
> >>> I only got huge difficulties because, when the elevator  get down ( mid
> >>> position) the blades suddenly fall down  ???
> >>
> >> The problem is: The fdm itself does not support folding of the blades.
> >> For the fdm the rotor is unfolded and vertical. When the elevator gets
> >> down, the fdm detects a crash (rotor vs. ship).
> >>
> >>> Regards
> >>
> >> Maik
> >
> > Oh, yes i forgot that "feature"   (sorry, i am more aware with JSBsim,
> > where i can give any specific contact point, though no perfect).
> >
> > Thanks
>
> But it can be fixed quite easily: The fdm allows to tilt the whole
> rotor. I just need to add tilting of the rotor in a vertical position
> along the fuselage. Then the contact points are within and above the
> fuselage. As I added the blade/ wing fold I was not thinking about the
> elevators. I thought, the remaining contact points would never hurt.
>
> Maik
>

Nice, because the Piasecki (both) , S-51, Lynx wants it, 
only the coming Puma  could avoid it.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Maik Justus]

Hi Gerard,
gerard robin schrieb am 19.12.2007 15:51:
> On mer 19 décembre 2007, Maik Justus wrote:
>   
>> Hi Gerard,
>>
>> gerard robin schrieb am 19.12.2007 14:44:
>> 
>>> Here Osprey with rotors all folded up, on elevator
>>>
>>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Osprey_on_carrier.jpg
>>>
>>> I only got huge difficulties because, when the elevator  get down ( mid
>>> position) the blades suddenly fall down  ???
>>>   
>> The problem is: The fdm itself does not support folding of the blades.
>> For the fdm the rotor is unfolded and vertical. When the elevator gets
>> down, the fdm detects a crash (rotor vs. ship).
>>
>> 
>>> Regards
>>>   
>> Maik
>>
>> 
> Oh, yes i forgot that "feature"   (sorry, i am more aware with JSBsim, where 
> i 
> can give any specific contact point, though no perfect).
>
> Thanks
>
>   
But it can be fixed quite easily: The fdm allows to tilt the whole 
rotor. I just need to add tilting of the rotor in a vertical position 
along the fuselage. Then the contact points are within and above the 
fuselage. As I added the blade/ wing fold I was not thinking about the 
elevators. I thought, the remaining contact points would never hurt.

Maik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Melchior FRANZ]

* gerard robin -- Wednesday 19 December 2007:
> I don't agree,   :)
> 
> in reality the Osprey lands on Carrier, and is 'driven' to the hangar   
> (elevator).

OK, so far you *agree* ...  :-)



> Within FG when you have land it on the   Carrier you can manage to taxis it( 
> admit not easy) with propeller running to the elevator place.

Ah, ok. But in real life one would land, fold, and then be pulled
to the elevator. In fgfs you land, hop to the elevator, fold,
and get down.  :-]

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
> Much better now.  :-)
>
> But the v22 on the elevator is cheating (and thus violating
> my personal diktator policies). You can't realistically land
> it there, and there's no way to move a v22 to the elevator
> once landed. Cheated "screenshots" have annoyed me since
> years ... almost decades. Pretty photo-realistic pictures
> on simulator boxes for the last Atari ST "game". What a
> disappointment everytime after starting the program ... :-}
>
> m.
>
I don't agree,   :)

in reality the Osprey lands on Carrier, and is 'driven' to the hangar   
(elevator).
Within FG when you have land it on the   Carrier you can manage to taxis it( 
admit not easy) with propeller running to the elevator place.

I do that operation  with  S-51 , H-21C,  HUP ...

About that FG snapshot we could criticise only the heading the nose should 
look towards   the sea 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Melchior FRANZ]

Much better now.  :-)

But the v22 on the elevator is cheating (and thus violating
my personal diktator policies). You can't realistically land
it there, and there's no way to move a v22 to the elevator
once landed. Cheated "screenshots" have annoyed me since
years ... almost decades. Pretty photo-realistic pictures
on simulator boxes for the last Atari ST "game". What a
disappointment everytime after starting the program ... :-}

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Curtis Olson]

On Dec 19, 2007 8:24 AM, AnMaster <> wrote:

> > The one big suggestion I'd make is to drop the current caption for
> > each photo, which appears to just be the base filename for each
> > image, and replace it with a brief bit of text that describes what
> > we're looking at.
>

I don't have time to do this myself, but my script that assembles the
gallery page and creates the medium resolution and thumbnail images and
links everything together does support captions.

What needs to be done (and it's slightly tedious) is to create .txt
for each .jpg or .png with the appropriate caption.  If someone
can create those and send them to me, the contents of the .txt file will
replace the file name on the gallery page.

Thanks,

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, Maik Justus wrote:
> Hi Gerard,
>
> gerard robin schrieb am 19.12.2007 14:44:
> > Here Osprey with rotors all folded up, on elevator
> >
> > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Osprey_on_carrier.jpg
> >
> > I only got huge difficulties because, when the elevator  get down ( mid
> > position) the blades suddenly fall down  ???
>
> The problem is: The fdm itself does not support folding of the blades.
> For the fdm the rotor is unfolded and vertical. When the elevator gets
> down, the fdm detects a crash (rotor vs. ship).
>
> > Regards
>
> Maik
>
Oh, yes i forgot that "feature"   (sorry, i am more aware with JSBsim, where i 
can give any specific contact point, though no perfect).

Thanks


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, AnMaster wrote:

>
> Seems like someone compressed a jpeg compressed image instead of basing
> them all on a looseless original. The result is that the artifacts add up
> and the images look bad. For best result all the smaller images should be
> generated from a looseless image. And I think the full sized images should
> use png or very high quality jpeg.
>
> Regards,
>
> Arvid Norlander

That is the problem with JPEG, 
however we must choose, 
the available space is not infinite , 
for instance the original Rescue image was .ppm 1800x1440 7.4 Mo, 
the jpeg one 1600X1200 only 141 ko



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Maik Justus]

Hi Gerard,
gerard robin schrieb am 19.12.2007 14:44:
> Here Osprey with rotors all folded up, on elevator
>
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Osprey_on_carrier.jpg
>
> I only got huge difficulties because, when the elevator  get down ( mid 
> position) the blades suddenly fall down  ???
>
>   
The problem is: The fdm itself does not support folding of the blades. 
For the fdm the rotor is unfolded and vertical. When the elevator gets 
down, the fdm detects a crash (rotor vs. ship).
> Regards
>
>
>   

Maik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Melchior FRANZ]

* Chris Metzler -- Wednesday 19 December 2007:
> "Lightning-KSFO-06"-- why does the page visitor need to know 

Well, the whole screenshot isn't something that a visitor should know. ;-)
The lightning is quite small in the middle in a rather not-so-interesting
position.



> Oh, and I'd keep trying very hard to get some of Heiko Schulz' images
> in there.  Some of them are gorgeous.

Oh, yes. Heiko's screenshots are indeed excellent! Better throw
out half of the current ones, and put Heiko's in. (Except the
one with the helicopter pilot. Humans are hard to do -- I don't
blame the creator. But they aren't something that one should
show close up.)

Now, if some of you think "why does he only criticize, when he didn't
submit a single screenshot himself?". True. But note that I did half
of the screenshots of the last release. And in all humbleness, they
were quite good, too. I'll miss the seafire and the concord+gui on
the fgfs page. Sniff.

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[AnMaster]

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Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:33:26 +0100
> Melchior FRANZ wrote:
> 
> (snip good suggestions about various pictures in the gallery)
> 
> The one big suggestion I'd make is to drop the current caption for
> each photo, which appears to just be the base filename for each
> image, and replace it with a brief bit of text that describes what
> we're looking at.  Some come close to this ("f4u-on-carrier").
> But "dhc2F-CYDL-07" is going to be meaningless to a large fraction
> of those who see it.  "deHavilland Beaver flying in mountains at
> sunset" or just "Beaver at sunset" or even "deHavilland DHC-2F
> Beaver" would work a lot better.  For another, "Lightning-KSFO-06"
> -- why does the page visitor need to know or care that it's image
> #6?  And so on.  Heck, I can imagine a complete newbie not knowing
> what KSFO means.
> 
> Oh, and I'd keep trying very hard to get some of Heiko Schulz' images
> in there.  Some of them are gorgeous.
> 
> -c
I agree.

Another thing: some images seems to lack AA, for example "787gskb9".

A third issue:
http://flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Source/seneca-flash.jpg
http://flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Source/Rescue_1.jpg and several more images
got really bad jpg artifacts that are visible even on the thumbnails.

Seems like someone compressed a jpeg compressed image instead of basing them all
on a looseless original. The result is that the artifacts add up and the images
look bad. For best result all the smaller images should be generated from a
looseless image. And I think the full sized images should use png or very high
quality jpeg.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:33:26 +0100
> Melchior FRANZ wrote:
>
>
> (snip good suggestions about various pictures in the gallery)
>
> The one big suggestion I'd make is to drop the current caption for
> each photo, which appears to just be the base filename for each
> image, and replace it with a brief bit of text that describes what
> we're looking at.  Some come close to this ("f4u-on-carrier").
> But "dhc2F-CYDL-07" is going to be meaningless to a large fraction
> of those who see it.  "deHavilland Beaver flying in mountains at
> sunset" or just "Beaver at sunset" or even "deHavilland DHC-2F
> Beaver" would work a lot better.  For another, "Lightning-KSFO-06"
> -- why does the page visitor need to know or care that it's image
> #6?  And so on.  Heck, I can imagine a complete newbie not knowing
> what KSFO means.
>
> Oh, and I'd keep trying very hard to get some of Heiko Schulz' images
> in there.  Some of them are gorgeous.
>
> -c


Yes, i guess (i did it) these pictures names are only "home Link" name, and 
any better understandable name/comment are welcome.
Curt is free to adapt these name/comment according to the category chosen 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:33:26 +0100
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
>

(snip good suggestions about various pictures in the gallery)

The one big suggestion I'd make is to drop the current caption for
each photo, which appears to just be the base filename for each
image, and replace it with a brief bit of text that describes what
we're looking at.  Some come close to this ("f4u-on-carrier").
But "dhc2F-CYDL-07" is going to be meaningless to a large fraction
of those who see it.  "deHavilland Beaver flying in mountains at
sunset" or just "Beaver at sunset" or even "deHavilland DHC-2F
Beaver" would work a lot better.  For another, "Lightning-KSFO-06"
-- why does the page visitor need to know or care that it's image
#6?  And so on.  Heck, I can imagine a complete newbie not knowing
what KSFO means.

Oh, and I'd keep trying very hard to get some of Heiko Schulz' images
in there.  Some of them are gorgeous.

-c

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mar 18 décembre 2007, Curtis Olson wrote:
>
>
SNIP
> 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?
>
SNIP
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curt.

Here Osprey with rotors all folded up, on elevator

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Osprey_on_carrier.jpg

I only got huge difficulties because, when the elevator  get down ( mid 
position) the blades suddenly fall down  ???

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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Yes much easier to see what is happening.:D

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

gerard robin wrote:
> On mer 19 décembre 2007, gerard robin wrote:
>> On mer 19 décembre 2007, AnMaster wrote:
>>> Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the
>>> background seems partly below deck?
>> Hello, Arvid
>> If you want i can UP the elevator.   :)
>>
>> Cheers
> 
> I have just added a new snapshot with the same scenery, 
> the diff:
> The Corsair is now on the front deck elevator.
> 
> This could avoid any misunderstanding.
> 
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/S-51-on_carrier_2.jpg
> 
> BTW: every snapshots links remains here 
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/
> I had only to remove Blackbird-aar_3.jpg (was not significant and not 
> selected) in order to get space.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, gerard robin wrote:
> On mer 19 décembre 2007, AnMaster wrote:
> > Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the
> > background seems partly below deck?
>
> Hello, Arvid
> If you want i can UP the elevator.   :)
>
> Cheers

I have just added a new snapshot with the same scenery, 
the diff:
The Corsair is now on the front deck elevator.

This could avoid any misunderstanding.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/S-51-on_carrier_2.jpg

BTW: every snapshots links remains here 
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/
I had only to remove Blackbird-aar_3.jpg (was not significant and not 
selected) in order to get space.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, AnMaster wrote:
> Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the background
> seems partly below deck?
>
>

Hello, Arvid
If you want i can UP the elevator.   :)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mer 19 décembre 2007, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:33:52 +0100
>
> AnMaster wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >
> > Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the
> > background seems partly below deck?
>
> It's on an elevator, if I'm not mistaken.  There's also another mid-deck
> elevator shaft just behind the foreground plane.  Of course, whether
> someone who sees it for the first time will think "oh, there's an elevator"
> or "oh, the plane's sinking into the deck" is another matter.
>
> -c

Hello Chris,
Yes you are right, 
i did it on purpose, that carrier straight-deck has a two elevators , one mid 
deck, one front deck 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Melchior FRANZ]

Many of the shots are quite good. But some are ... umm ...

  http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/787fujiuy6.html

Dark bump-mapped cloud soup on the bottom, an almost perfect
presentation of our white-mountain/blue-sky bug, and lots of
aliasing steps. Not exactly a teaser.


This is technically well done, but I find the contents disturbing:

  http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/A-6E-Nimitz-01.html

An A-6 in such deep banking with a carrier in the background.
Can easily happen in real life, but I still find it weird.
Somehow my brain wants them more aligned. But that's probably
just me.  :-)


This shows repetitive sky and rather ugly terrain.

  http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/B-52-KEDW-02.html


Shouldn't the nose be down here?

  http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/Concorde-KSFO-02.html



My favorites are

  http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/F-5B-image3.html
  all camel shots, some of the carrier shots

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Heiko Schulz]

--- Maik Justus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

> Hi,
> Curtis Olson schrieb am 19.12.2007 01:19:
> > On Dec 18, 2007 5:21 PM, Maik Justus <> wrote:
> >
> > Heikos page is now working for me with also
> some other screenshots
> > (worth to be in the gallerie, too):
> > http://www.hoerbird.net/index.htm
> >
> >
> > Hi, right now I still cannot connect ... would
> someone who can connect 
> > be willing to pull the images and send them to me?
> >
> Done
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Curt.
> Maik
> 
Thanks Maik,

Had trouble connecting internet - thanks for doing it!

Cheers
HHS

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Maik Justus]

Hi,
Curtis Olson schrieb am 19.12.2007 01:19:
> On Dec 18, 2007 5:21 PM, Maik Justus <> wrote:
>
> Heikos page is now working for me with also some other screenshots
> (worth to be in the gallerie, too):
> http://www.hoerbird.net/index.htm
>
>
> Hi, right now I still cannot connect ... would someone who can connect 
> be willing to pull the images and send them to me?
>
Done
> Thanks,
>
> Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:33:52 +0100
AnMaster wrote:
>
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> Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the
> background seems partly below deck?

It's on an elevator, if I'm not mistaken.  There's also another mid-deck
elevator shaft just behind the foreground plane.  Of course, whether someone
who sees it for the first time will think "oh, there's an elevator" or "oh,
the plane's sinking into the deck" is another matter.

-c


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Bohnert Paul]

All,

This picture could be redone with better filtering to show off mulit-player 
carrier operations.

http://pics.ww.com/v/coulee182/fgfs-nimitz-multi-player.jpg.html

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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What about:
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-05.png


Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2007 7:09 PM, AnMaster <> wrote:
>> Here are 3:
>>
>> http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-02.png
>>
>> http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-03.png
>>
>> http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-04.png
>>
>> I had real weather fetch and real time, very nice time of day. These are
>> pre-compressed as before and use same stuff in nvidia-settings.
> 
> 
> Melchior commented that low light and dark screen shots just don't come out
> looking all that great in thumbnails and smaller versions.  We have quite a
> few darker shots already.  I'd like to find something that is more towards
> the middle of the day so that everything is brighter.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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On Dec 18, 2007 7:09 PM, AnMaster <> wrote:

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> Here are 3:
>
> http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-02.png
>
> http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-03.png
>
> http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-04.png
>
> I had real weather fetch and real time, very nice time of day. These are
> pre-compressed as before and use same stuff in nvidia-settings.


Melchior commented that low light and dark screen shots just don't come out
looking all that great in thumbnails and smaller versions.  We have quite a
few darker shots already.  I'd like to find something that is more towards
the middle of the day so that everything is brighter.

Thanks,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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Here are 3:
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-02.png
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-03.png
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-04.png

I had real weather fetch and real time, very nice time of day. These are
pre-compressed as before and use same stuff in nvidia-settings.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

AnMaster wrote:
> I'll see what I can do today or tomorrow.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Arvid Norlander
> 
> Curtis Olson wrote:
>> Ok, I'll remove that, but I'd be happy to add back in some other Aerostar
>> picture if it was submitted.
> 
>> Curt.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2007 6:26 PM, AnMaster <> wrote:
> 
>> The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in
>> the
>> water, looks bad.
> 
>> Regards,
> 
>> Arvid Norlander
> 
>> Curtis Olson wrote:
> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
>
> 
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
>
> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing
>> list
> and organized and arranged them.
>
> Here are a few things that jump out at me:
>
> 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under
>> represented.
> 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of
>> our
> full 3d, fully operational cockpits.
>
> 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
> improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
> could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
> primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is
>> removed or
> replaced, please don't be upset!)
>
> 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
>
> 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded
>> up?
> 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes
>> the
> page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
> ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible
>> to
> find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
> matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the
>> raw
> images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/
>> )
> 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all
>> autogenerated
> via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but
>> there
> are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
> pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curt.
>
>
> 
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I'll see what I can do today or tomorrow.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
> Ok, I'll remove that, but I'd be happy to add back in some other Aerostar
> picture if it was submitted.
> 
> Curt.
> 
> 
> On Dec 18, 2007 6:26 PM, AnMaster <> wrote:
> 
> The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in
> the
> water, looks bad.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Arvid Norlander
> 
> Curtis Olson wrote:
 Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:

 
 http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/

 I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing
> list
 and organized and arranged them.

 Here are a few things that jump out at me:

 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under
> represented.
 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of
> our
 full 3d, fully operational cockpits.

 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
 improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
 could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
 primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is
> removed or
 replaced, please don't be upset!)

 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?

 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded
> up?
 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes
> the
 page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
 ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible
> to
 find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
 matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the
> raw
 images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
 http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/
> )
 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all
> autogenerated
 via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but
> there
 are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
 pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the background
seems partly below deck?

Also I see jpeg artifacts even in the largest version, I would suggest that the
full versions are either done in png or highest quality jpeg.

Also some of the full sized pngs load faster than the medium sized jpgs (example
dhc2F-CYDL-07). Odd. I used optipng -o 7 on all my pngs before uploading them.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

AnMaster wrote:
> The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in the
> water, looks bad.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Arvid Norlander
> 
> Curtis Olson wrote:
>> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
> 
>> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
> 
>> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
>> and organized and arranged them.
> 
>> Here are a few things that jump out at me:
> 
>> 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under represented.
> 
>> 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of our
>> full 3d, fully operational cockpits.
> 
>> 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
>> improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
>> could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
>> primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is removed or
>> replaced, please don't be upset!)
> 
>> 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
> 
>> 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?
> 
>> 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes the
>> page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
>> ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible to
>> find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
>> matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the raw
>> images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
>> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/)
> 
>> 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all autogenerated
>> via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but there
>> are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
>> pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.
> 
>> Thanks,
> 
>> Curt.
> 
> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Curtis Olson]

Ok, I'll remove that, but I'd be happy to add back in some other Aerostar
picture if it was submitted.

Curt.


On Dec 18, 2007 6:26 PM, AnMaster <> wrote:

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> The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in
> the
> water, looks bad.
>
> Regards,
>
> Arvid Norlander
>
> Curtis Olson wrote:
> > Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
> >
> > 
> > http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
> >
> > I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing
> list
> > and organized and arranged them.
> >
> > Here are a few things that jump out at me:
> >
> > 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under
> represented.
> >
> > 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of
> our
> > full 3d, fully operational cockpits.
> >
> > 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
> > improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
> > could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
> > primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is
> removed or
> > replaced, please don't be upset!)
> >
> > 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
> >
> > 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded
> up?
> >
> > 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes
> the
> > page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
> > ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible
> to
> > find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
> > matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the
> raw
> > images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
> > http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/
> )
> >
> > 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all
> autogenerated
> > via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but
> there
> > are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
> > pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Curt.
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in the
water, looks bad.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
> 
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
> 
> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
> and organized and arranged them.
> 
> Here are a few things that jump out at me:
> 
> 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under represented.
> 
> 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of our
> full 3d, fully operational cockpits.
> 
> 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
> improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
> could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
> primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is removed or
> replaced, please don't be upset!)
> 
> 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
> 
> 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?
> 
> 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes the
> page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
> ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible to
> find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
> matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the raw
> images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/)
> 
> 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all autogenerated
> via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but there
> are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
> pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Curt.
> 
> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Curtis Olson]

On Dec 18, 2007 5:21 PM, Maik Justus <> wrote:

> Heikos page is now working for me with also some other screenshots
> (worth to be in the gallerie, too):
> http://www.hoerbird.net/index.htm


Hi, right now I still cannot connect ... would someone who can connect be
willing to pull the images and send them to me?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Georg Vollnhals]

Frederic Bouvier schrieb:
> Selon Frederic Bouvier:
>
>   
>> Selon Curtis Olson:
>>
>> 
>>> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
>>>
>>> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
>>>
>>> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
>>> and organized and arranged them.
>>>   
>> BTW, these shots are a bit old but I think they are post 0.9.10 :
>>
>> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/los-angeles-1.jpg
>> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/los-angeles-2.jpg
>>
>> Sorry, they have a panoramic aspect ratio.
>> 
>
> Few additional :
>
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-5.jpg
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-6.jpg
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-7.jpg
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-8.jpg
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs-xpl-paris-2.jpg
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs-xpl-paris-3.jpg
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs-xpl-paris-4.jpg
>
> -Fred
>
>   
Yes, this Paris screenshots (at least 1 day, 1 night) should be in the
Gallery - and 1 shot of the nice Paris airport (was Orly???), too.
Because these are no fake, the scenery *is* usable (if you have at least
a medium performance PC) and shows how FlightGear sceneries can look
like if someone is just doing the work.
This scenery is an inspiring exampel for my Northern Germany Scenery
work (EDDW, EDDV).
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[gerard robin]

On mar 18 décembre 2007, Curtis Olson wrote:
> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
>
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
>
> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
> and organized and arranged them.
>
> Here are a few things that jump out at me:
>
> 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under represented.
>
> 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of
> our full 3d, fully operational cockpits.
>
> 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
> improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
> could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
> primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is removed
> or replaced, please don't be upset!)
>
> 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
>
> 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?
>
> 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes the
> page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
> ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible to
> find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
> matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the raw
> images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/)
>
> 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all autogenerated
> via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but
> there are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
> pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curt.


The minimum i could do was  to crop and to size my own snapshots , now they 
are 1600x1200.

All of them available here 
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/  
(without thumbnail , sorry i am missing space)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Maik Justus]

Hi
AJ MacLeod schrieb am 18.12.2007 23:33:
> On Tuesday 18 December 2007 22:15:24 Curtis Olson wrote:
>   
>
>> 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
>> 
>
> Heiko's ASK looks very nice though, and he has some very good screenshots of 
> it too - hopefully he will reappear with them soon...
>
>   
Heikos page is now working for me with also some other screenshots 
(worth to be in the gallerie, too):
http://www.hoerbird.net/index.htm
> Cheers,
>
> AJ
>
>   
Regards,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Maik Justus]

Hi James,
James A. Treacy schrieb am 19.12.2007 00:02:
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 04:15:24PM -0600, Curtis Olson wrote:
>   
>> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
>>
>> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
>>
>> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
>> and organized and arranged them.
>> 
>
> Very nice!
>
> I am curious about the second image (camel-ksfo). Are the front wheels
> sunk partway into the runway?
>
>   

I think two things causes that.
1) reduced pressure in the air-wheels ("simulated" by placing the wheels 
in the 3D-Model a few cm below the position in the FDM)
2) the bumpiness of the surfaces which only the YASim-aircrafts can 
see/feel, but which is not visible in the OpenGL rendering

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[JOSHUA WILSON]

Curt Olson wrote:

>Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
>
>
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
>
>I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list 
>and organized and arranged them. 
>
>Here are a few things that jump out at me:
>
>1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under represented.
>
>2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of our 
>full 3d, fully operational cockpits. 
>
>3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be improved 
>upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that could either be 
>added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our primary goal is to show 
>our best side here, if someone's image is removed or replaced, please don't be 
>upset!) 
>
>4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
>
>5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?
>
>6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes the page 
>look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect ratio 
>(1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not >1280x1024).  Would it be possible to find a 
>volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a matching 
>aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the raw >images or 
>provide a place for easy download (like right here: 
>http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/)
>
>7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all autogenerated via 
>a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but there are 
>limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus >on expanding our set of quality pictures 
>and we can worry about page layout details a little later. 
>
>Thanks,
>
>Curt.

Here are a couple screenshots of my 787.
Josh
   
   


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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Selon Frederic Bouvier:

> Selon Curtis Olson:
>
> > Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
> >
> > http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
> >
> > I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
> > and organized and arranged them.
>
> BTW, these shots are a bit old but I think they are post 0.9.10 :
>
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/los-angeles-1.jpg
> http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/los-angeles-2.jpg
>
> Sorry, they have a panoramic aspect ratio.

Few additional :

http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-5.jpg
http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-6.jpg
http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-7.jpg
http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/la-defense-8.jpg
http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs-xpl-paris-2.jpg
http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs-xpl-paris-3.jpg
http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs-xpl-paris-4.jpg

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[James A. Treacy]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 04:15:24PM -0600, Curtis Olson wrote:
> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
> 
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
> 
> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
> and organized and arranged them.

Very nice!

I am curious about the second image (camel-ksfo). Are the front wheels
sunk partway into the runway?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Frederic Bouvier]

Selon Curtis Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
>
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
>
> I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
> and organized and arranged them.

BTW, these shots are a bit old but I think they are post 0.9.10 :

http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/los-angeles-1.jpg
http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/los-angeles-2.jpg

Sorry, they have a panoramic aspect ratio.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[AJ MacLeod]

On Tuesday 18 December 2007 22:15:24 Curtis Olson wrote:
> Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
> http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/

Well, I'd buy it :-)  I'm amazed at the range and volume of models that we 
have (and the rate that they seem to be accumulating), many of them very 
nicely detailed.

> 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?

Unfortunately external appearance isn't a strong point of the Bocian yet 
because (as usual!) I've concentrated solely on the cockpit and have still to 
do lots of the exterior stuff :-\

Heiko's ASK looks very nice though, and he has some very good screenshots of 
it too - hopefully he will reappear with them soon...

Cheers,

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[Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

[Curtis Olson]

Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:

http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/

I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
and organized and arranged them.

Here are a few things that jump out at me:

1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under represented.

2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of our
full 3d, fully operational cockpits.

3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is removed or
replaced, please don't be upset!)

4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?

5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?

6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes the
page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible to
find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the raw
images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/)

7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all autogenerated
via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but there
are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.

Thanks,

Curt.
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