Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-30 Thread Stuart Buchanan 
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Curtis Olson> wrote:
> If anyone out there has been ripped off by these scammers or charged an
> amount they weren't expecting, they should be able to take advantage of the
> proflightsimulator 100% no-hassle rock-solid refund offer advertised on
> their web site.  It appears you need to open up a trouble ticket on their
> web site to request a refund.  I would be very interested in documenting
> cases where customers are successful or unsuccessful at getting a refund.

I recall at least one unhappy customer posting on the FG Forums. You could
try asking there, if you haven't already.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-30 Thread Curtis Olson 
Here's an update on my previous thought.

I opened up a trouble ticket at proflightsimulator.com and reported the
rogue affiliate that is being nasty on facebook and who registered
flightgear.us to promote proflightsimulator.com.

I see that he has toned down his rhetoric significantly, but if we can
document and report cases of affiliate abuse, we might be able to get
proflightsimulator.com to cut them off.  If there's no financial incentive
for these rogue affiliates because they've been cut off, then they would
likely fade into the distant memory.  That remains to be seen though,
proflightsimulator seems to be good at saying the right things, but we need
to document their actions in detail.

If anyone out there has been ripped off by these scammers or charged an
amount they weren't expecting, they should be able to take advantage of the
proflightsimulator 100% no-hassle rock-solid refund offer advertised on
their web site.  It appears you need to open up a trouble ticket on their
web site to request a refund.  I would be very interested in documenting
cases where customers are successful or unsuccessful at getting a refund.

At any rate, as I've been able to communicate both with clickbank.com (the
financial wing of the scam) and proflightsimulator.com, it is becoming
apparent that to proceed we need documented evidence from actual customers.
 Simply expressing our sentiments doesn't actually advance our position at
all.

Regards,

Curt


On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Gene Buckle  wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > proflightsim.com is hosted in Washington State, but leap-frogs via the
> same
> > Florida location.
> >
> FYI, proflightsim.com is now throwwing 403 Forbidden. \o/
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-30 Thread Gene Buckle 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Chris Wilkinson wrote:

> proflightsim.com is hosted in Washington State, but leap-frogs via the same 
> Florida location.
>
FYI, proflightsim.com is now throwwing 403 Forbidden. \o/

g.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:52:46 +1100, George wrote in message 
:

> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html
> >> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html
> >> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html
> >>
> >
> > A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with!
> 
> This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia,
> contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com).
> So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it.
> Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is
> a certified flight simulator.

..just so we are on the same page here: Exactly how are they 
making it sound as though their 'solution' is a certified 
flight simulator?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-29 Thread Chris Wilkinson 
I've taken the liberty of sending an email to the Airbus customer service team, 
outlining some brief background about FPS and a link to the infringing website. 
Wodonga? Wow this guy moves (his alleged location) around - lets see if we can 
pin him down more closely...

Georeferencing the IP address gleaned from a traceroute we can see that...

airbusflightsimulator.com is hosted near Marcy Squares New York, but leap-frogs 
via Coconut Creek, Florida.

proflightsim.com is hosted in Washington State, but leap-frogs via the same 
Florida location.

flightgear.us is hosted in Burlington, Massachusetts, but again leap-frogs via 
the exact same Florida location.


I'm not a betting man, but Florida is looking kinda good odds currently...

Regards,

Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.




From: George Patterson 
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Sent: Thu, 30 December, 2010 11:52:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>
>>
>> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html
>> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html
>> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html
>>
>
> A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with!

This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia,
contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com).
So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it.
Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is
a certified flight simulator.

>
> After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like SMART 
> and 
>Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the poeple behind 
>the rip-off  sits in China, and it isn't just one man behind
>

Yes and no. It's an affiliate Multi-level marketing scheme. If I could
figure out a way of playing off one affiliate against another and not
get caught in the cross fire, I would do it. In the mean time, search
youtube for flight pro sim but under search options, select Today. and
thumb down their videos so at least they do not rank highly in
youtube.com Reporting a video as scam/fraud seems to be very hit and
miss. Perhaps youtube staff don't have long to review a video to
decide whether to pull the video or not (only guessing here).

BTW, I wouldn't want to say where in the world these slime balls are located.


Regards


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-29 Thread Curtis Olson 
Here's another thought.  When we find these rogue / offensive / completely
full of !...@#$@# affiliates, we could report them to the
proflightsimulator.com web site.  Presumably they lose when an affiliate
acts badly.  Maybe they don't care, but maybe they do.  That's yet to be
determined, but if we report some of these affiliates directly to
proflightsimulator.com it would be interesting to see what they would do ---
or not do.  That would be very telling and would help us decide if it's best
to concentrate our efforts on reporting rogue affiliates or go straight
towards proflightsimulator.com.

We also should try to build up contacts with proflightsimulator customers.
 If they feel they have been ripped off we need to start documenting what
they've done and who've they have contacted to try to get a refund.
 proflightsim promises a 100% no-hassle refund if people ask.

There is a lot of confusion floating around between rogue affiliates out
right spamming and lying and even saying hateful things, affiliates
operation under false identies, etc.  We should start documenting reality
and see if we can separate out the actions of proflightsimulator.com versus
the various affiliates and try to understand if people can actually get a
refund if they want one, if it's a full refund of all charges (people are
getting multiple additional charges on their credit cards, etc.)

Curt.



On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:52 PM, George Patterson <
george.patter...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html
> >> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html
> >> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html
> >>
> >
> > A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with!
>
> This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia,
> contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com).
> So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it.
> Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is
> a certified flight simulator.
>
> >
> > After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like
> SMART and Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the
> poeple behind the rip-off  sits in China, and it isn't just one man
> behind
> >
>
> Yes and no. It's an affiliate Multi-level marketing scheme. If I could
> figure out a way of playing off one affiliate against another and not
> get caught in the cross fire, I would do it. In the mean time, search
> youtube for flight pro sim but under search options, select Today. and
> thumb down their videos so at least they do not rank highly in
> youtube.com Reporting a video as scam/fraud seems to be very hit and
> miss. Perhaps youtube staff don't have long to review a video to
> decide whether to pull the video or not (only guessing here).
>
> BTW, I wouldn't want to say where in the world these slime balls are
> located.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> George
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-29 Thread George Patterson 
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>
>>
>> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html
>> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html
>> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html
>>
>
> A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with!

This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia,
contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com).
So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it.
Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is
a certified flight simulator.

>
> After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like SMART 
> and Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the poeple 
> behind the rip-off  sits in China, and it isn't just one man behind
>

Yes and no. It's an affiliate Multi-level marketing scheme. If I could
figure out a way of playing off one affiliate against another and not
get caught in the cross fire, I would do it. In the mean time, search
youtube for flight pro sim but under search options, select Today. and
thumb down their videos so at least they do not rank highly in
youtube.com Reporting a video as scam/fraud seems to be very hit and
miss. Perhaps youtube staff don't have long to review a video to
decide whether to pull the video or not (only guessing here).

BTW, I wouldn't want to say where in the world these slime balls are located.


Regards


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-29 Thread Chris Wilkinson 
There is also Boeing flight simulator, according to the website. Incidentally 
when you click on the link to the airbus one it shows 3 shots of Boeings, when 
you click on the link to the boeing one it shows an airbus. Go figure! It is 
such a poorly designed website, using the same html template as all the other 
variants - I'm hoping that any rational minded person stumbling upon this would 
have the common sense to mistrust it and avoid it like its the plague...

I'd be interested to know how Airbus and Boeing view the use of their IP in the 
name(s) of the website. Perhaps I should forward the Airbus and Boeing folk an 
email?


Regards,

Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.





From: Peter Brown 
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Sent: Thu, 30 December, 2010 1:08:15 AM
Subject: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots



http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html
http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html
http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots

2010-12-29 Thread Heiko Schulz 
Hi,

> 
> 
> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html
> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html
> http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html
> 

A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with!

After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like SMART and 
Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the poeple behind 
the rip-off  sits in China, and it isn't just one man behind



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