Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal for a revised environment interface

2010-06-21 Thread thorsten . i . renk

Since I'm quite new on the list, I have pondered a few days if this is
meant to be a joke.

 Ohhh look.
 A chunk of work required that is not screamingly time-sensitive, could
 be tightly defined and has potential mentors.
 I smell a potential project for Google Summer of Code next year

 Immediate questions:
 1) Can the work wait another ~14 months until hopeful eventual delivery?
 2) Would James and/or Thorsten assist as part of a  mentoring team?

In case it is not: It seems to me the task is not downright horrible, but
rather has to do with inserting if-statements linked to properties in the
right place in the code. If I were asked to do this in my Nasal code, it
would be a matter of 30 minutes or so to modify and test. Probably not
worth forming a mentoring team to let someone else do that.

It also seems to me that 14 months is a long time for the Flightgear
development pace. More specifically, I don't know yet if I want to be a
long-term contributor or if I want to develop and deliver a working
weather system and then do something completely different - that has a lot
to do with what time to code my private life provides, and I'm not too
hopeful that it increases. So there's a real chance I won't be doing that
work in 14 months from now.

So, no, it doesn't seem like a good idea to me to wait14 months.

Cheers,

* Thorsten


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal for a revised environment interface

2010-06-21 Thread willie
On 21/06/10 11:54, thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote:

 Since I'm quite new on the list, I have pondered a few days if this is
 meant to be a joke.
No joke at all, Thorsten :-)
I am not a coder and have to rely on others to advise me what effort is 
needed to accomplish a coding task. Which I know conflicts with much of 
what I have to say below



 Ohhh look.
 A chunk of work required that is not screamingly time-sensitive, could
 be tightly defined and has potential mentors.
 I smell a potential project for Google Summer of Code next year

 Immediate questions:
 1) Can the work wait another ~14 months until hopeful eventual delivery?
 2) Would James and/or Thorsten assist as part of a  mentoring team?

 In case it is not: It seems to me the task is not downright horrible, but
 rather has to do with inserting if-statements linked to properties in the
 right place in the code. If I were asked to do this in my Nasal code, it
 would be a matter of 30 minutes or so to modify and test. Probably not
 worth forming a mentoring team to let someone else do that.

Cool. that's what I need to know. I don't want to waste time with areas 
of work that are

1) trivial
2) need to be delivered soon
3) is someone's pet project and to usurp it for GSoC would be seriously 
impolite and unwelcome



 It also seems to me that 14 months is a long time for the Flightgear
 development pace. More specifically, I don't know yet if I want to be a
 long-term contributor or if I want to develop and deliver a working
 weather system and then do something completely different - that has a lot
 to do with what time to code my private life provides, and I'm not too
 hopeful that it increases. So there's a real chance I won't be doing that
 work in 14 months from now.

 So, no, it doesn't seem like a good idea to me to wait14 months.
OK that's fine.


My problem for GSoC is to try to find projects and students who will 
carry out paid work during Summer 2011. We were too late to get anything 
organised for this year. It is quite possible that it is too early to 
set aside work for next year. However it would be stupid of me not to 
keep looking for such work and if nothing else to keep reminding folks 
that this is a  resource we hope to tap next year and to use it 
effectively, we need to be properly prepared.

A couple of related points..

The recent shift to Git, whether planned or serendipitous, has made our 
participation in GSoC a potential reality. Without Git, I don't think we 
would have been taken seriously at all.

I think FG needs to have a road-map so that we can decide where we are 
going next with the project.If such a road-map was available then of 
course we'd choose stuff that had been agreed for long-term work as 
potential GS0C targets.
If such a road-map already exists, can someone point me at it, please?
If it doesn't and if the proposed FG Euro Devs conference at Lelystad in 
November takes place, I'd like to see the road-map as a major agenda item.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal for a revised environment interface

2010-06-14 Thread willie





On 14/06/10 10:12, James Turner wrote:

 On 14 Jun 2010, at 07:41, thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote:

 Since I can't work on the C++ side (the code won't compile, and I simply
 don't have the time and energy to fix the problem at the moment and work
 myself into the structure of the code) I'd need someone to work with me on
 this. I'm proposing this here on the list since several people at some
 point have indicated they could imagine to do it, and since I think there
 should be some consensus as to how a solution should look like.

 I'm one of the people who has previously offered to help in this area, but 
 really at the moment I have enough other FG mini-projects that I'm juggling, 
 that I would be much happier for someone else to help Thorsten in this area. 
 I'm more than happy to discuss the design, and review patches, as always, but 
 I think this is 'one more thing' too far, for the next few months.

 James

Ohhh look.
A chunk of work required that is not screamingly time-sensitive, could 
be tightly defined and has potential mentors.
I smell a potential project for Google Summer of Code next year

Immediate questions:
1) Can the work wait another ~14 months until hopeful eventual delivery?
2) Would James and/or Thorsten assist as part of a  mentoring team?


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