Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear.org webpage screenshot problem
Julien Pierru wrote: I tried to visit the screenshots section on flightgear.org http://flightgear.org but the link links to Gallery-v0.9.9 instead of Gallery-v0.9.10... Where did you find the broken link? Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Subsystem run-levels
* James Turner -- Tuesday 18 April 2006 17:22: [runlevel groups] Melchior is probably the best person to comment on how appropriate or not these are for the Nasal scripts he's written. I'm not aware of any Nasal module that really depends on a subsystem, although I haven't looked with this in mind. Most or all of them only wait for other Nasal modules, especially for globals.nas and props.nas. m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Openal is missing stuff
The instructions needed a closer look, the portable CVS module is the one Linux needs, then openal/alut needs to be built and installed. FlightGear-0.9.10 has taken off. Regards Sid. Sid Boyce wrote: During build it complains that AL/al.h is missing and the only header file in linux/include is alext.h gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../common/include -I../include -finline-functions -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fvisibility=hidden -I/usr/include/alsa -I/opt/kde3/include/artsc -pthread -I/opt/gnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/opt/gnome/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -g -O2 -MT libopenal_la-al_bpool.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libopenal_la-al_bpool.Tpo -c al_bpool.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libopenal_la-al_bpool.o In file included from al_bpool.h:14, from al_bpool.c:5: al_types.h:16:19: error: AL/al.h: No such file or directory al_types.h:17:20: error: AL/alc.h: No such file or directory In file included from al_types.h:20, from al_bpool.h:14, from al_bpool.c:5: backends/alc_backend.h:51: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'ALboolean' In file included from al_bpool.h:14, from al_bpool.c:5: al_types.h:33: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'ALfloat' TRUNCATED Copying al.h, alc.h, alctypes.h and altypes.h from the macosx directory, I now get. gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../common/include -I../include -finline-functions -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fvisibility=hidden -I/usr/include/alsa -I/opt/kde3/include/artsc -pthread -I/opt/gnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/opt/gnome/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -g -O2 -MT libopenal_la-al_bpool.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libopenal_la-al_bpool.Tpo -c al_bpool.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libopenal_la-al_bpool.o In file included from al_bpool.h:14, from al_bpool.c:5: al_types.h:299: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'ALCchar' make[3]: *** [libopenal_la-al_bpool.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/ftp/Apr06/OPENAL/openal/linux/src' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/ftp/Apr06/OPENAL/openal/linux/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/ftp/Apr06/OPENAL/openal/linux' make: *** [all] Error 2 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Subsystem run-levels
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * James Turner -- Tuesday 18 April 2006 17:22: [runlevel groups] Melchior is probably the best person to comment on how appropriate or not these are for the Nasal scripts he's written. I'm not aware of any Nasal module that really depends on a subsystem, although I haven't looked with this in mind. Most or all of them only wait for other Nasal modules, especially for globals.nas and props.nas. How about isinited() instead of isrunning() ? None of these will technically be running during the initialization phase. Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: flightgear.org webpage screenshot problem
* Julien Pierru -- Wednesday 19 April 2006 20:20: it's on the Menu titled Main on the left hand side of the home page(actuay every page that contains that menu), the section Screenshots links to the wrong gallery. No, the link is fine. You just have to force a page reload (Shift-reload on most browsers.) Somehow the flightgear.org webserver seems to be configured such that proxies think it's old and that they don't need to update. Or something. m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: flightgear.org webpage screenshot problem
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 19 April 2006 20:38: So the html file is old most of the time? That would explain why proxies don't consider it worth updating. No, wait. That doesn't make sense. If it is unchanged, then no proxy needs to be tricked into updating it anyway. Hmm. But maybe the js file isn't timestamped then. ? m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing
I've tried it in my ATI based laptop (Radeon Mobile 9000 - M9) - but it didn't work :( Very much expected :( I'll e-mail you privately about this ati issue. Apart from that: - - I couldn't select my screen size of 1400x1050 I'll add that. - - I couldn't select the German keyboard layout I hope this helps a bit. Especially the keyboard setting can be a problem when this CD is given to the people at the Linux Tag... Can you, just as a quick try, at the bootloader, add lang=de at the kernel parameters and see? Morphix by itself has a huge list of language support menu at the bootloader, but I have temporarily disabled to avoid confusion. If this works for you, I guess I'll enable these settings in the next release. Thanks btw. Pigeon. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim engine config
On Sunday 16 April 2006 03:44 pm, Paul Surgeon wrote: On other thing I'd like to know is : How does one over rev a turbofan engine in real life? I know it's not modeled in FG yet but I'm curious as to what actually happens in real life to get an over speed problem. I have over 14000 hrs in turbines and have only seen one overrev, and that was caused by a failed fuel control. These days, with electronic fuel controllers, overrevs are very rare. BTW, the overrev that happened to me saw high EGT and about 110% N1. We didn't let it run to failure so I don't know how long it would last in that condition. I assume the failure mode would be a turbine wheel disintegration. It would be nice to get that working too - I set the N1 and N2 limits in the engine config and have wired up the over speed warning lights. The hooks are in the code for failure modes but I've been reluctant to add any way to have the engine automatically enter a failure mode based on some internal parameter. It might be best to have failure modes triggered externally, i.e. by the app that instantiated the FDM. Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: tower.cxx
Melchior FRANZ writes: First off, I want to say that I don't want to put David's work down. This *is* a complicated matter, and *much* work went into it, and the feature works very well (when it works) and I enjoy it a lot. It's really only the crashes that are annoying, and the fact that we are living with them a really long time now. Reworking the critical and obviously buggy list handling would probably be a good idea. Hi Melchior, and Fred, First off, thanks for the above! It's good to know that it's not just an annoying source of crash reports. I was quite OK about your rant about the messy code BTW - mainly since I wrote it quite a long time ago and I realise that it's true. * Frederic Bouvier -- Wednesday 19 April 2006 10:44: So why not using a single list and a state variable in the plane record ? I would say that tracking the state in the plane record is a must. There's really no other place where this belongs. Using just one list is an option. We don't have *that* many aircraft around. The highest number that I ever saw were ~75 aircraft, but most of the time it's around 30. Going through one list with 70 items and checking one state variable is hardly a performance factor. But I wouldn't even object to separate containers. I would just use queues and always pop an item for inspection, then either drop it and remove the plane record, or push it onto a queue again -- the same queue, or a different (changing the ac state in the plane record accordingly). Currently some places erase(), others pop(), many many times iterators are set to the list begin() (75 times :-), and it's a bit hard to follow what's going on. No wonder one and the same aircraft ends up on 5 state lists at the same time. Yes, as I've dug into it again I've started to realise just how bad parts of it are. My intention at the time of writing was to attempt to mimic the thought process of the tower controller him/herself. So I started off by subdividing the aircraft into the groupings that I thought I might mentally group them into if I had to control and schedule them. However, as we've found out, this is clearly either a poor design or a poor implementation of it by myself, or a bit of both, in terms of code stability. In theory there should be one master list containing a pointer to all the planes. This pointer can then be duplicated in one other sub-list (departing, circuit etc) at a time. It is fragile though - I'm trying to come up with either something better, or a completely reworked implementation. I *am* working on fixing it, although I realise there could be ground for doubt on the signs of progress so far. It's not something I can fix in a day though, as you two have probably both discovered. I want to get it a lot more right this time round, so I'm still trying to figure the design at the moment, before I start banging out code. I've never lost interest in any of the code I've written for FG, although I suspect Jon has given up hoping for engine model updates by now! One day :-) However, I do realise that I've had a tendency to start too many things, all of which now require attention, and all of a sudden I've changed jobs and time is more scarce :-( But tower.cxx is the only thing I'm working on at the moment - I want it fixed and stable before 1.0 as much as you guys, because otherwise in retropect there wouldn't have been much point in writing it to start with. BTW: I don't think using a smart memory management technique should be ignored just because this particular problem is fixed ( in a near future I hope ). Sure. But they shouldn't be used to hide bugs that needed to be fixed in the first place. Absolutely. Cheers - Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: tower.cxx
Vassilii Khachaturov writes: I recall Durk Talsma was once telling about an in-house (closed source) fgfs-based system with a huge number of AI planes, in the tens of thousands IIRC. Probably not all talking to the same tower though? Durk's stuff is all still the scripted AI as far as I know, which follows a predefined flightplan without deviation nor interaction. The GA AI that the tower communicates with is randomly generated, and attemptes to interact intelligently with other AI, the tower control, and the user. It's a non-trivial problem... Cheers - Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim engine config
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:33, Dave Culp wrote: I have over 14000 hrs in turbines and have only seen one overrev, and that was caused by a failed fuel control. Oh ... so it's that scarce. In that case I won't worry about modeling it. Thanks Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing
Hi Pigeon, the idea to have a FG-live-CD was great but how you did it is even greater, my compliments! :-)) I tested it with AMD64 3700, 1 GB RAM, NVidia 6600GT 256 MB and made 3 long testflights (B1900, C172). This is what I found (beside all those positive aspects which I can't mention here :-) ): - lang=de does not work for me (Y/Z still exchanged, etc.) - no sound (slider is right, no mute, etc ...) Though I am working with Win XP I have a Suse 10 Linux install for experiments. I could *not* install/run FlightGear under Suse until now but TORCS and other 3d-Games run very well *with* sound! - my joystick (Saitek X45) does not work correctly. Without doing anything all buttons are recognized and working, also some axis (but not calibrated correctly) but *not* the main stick axis (nick and roll). I tried to calibrate the joystick with the Debian tool joystick calibration. This tool recognized all axis and buttons of my X45 and I could calibrate them. But after saving it got even worser, FlightGear did not recognize anything (buttons, axis ..) of the X45. I don't know whether this live-CD works like other and has some harddisk space for variables and parameters reserved where the calibration values would be stored - otherwise calibration is a nonsense because the tool would try to write on the CD :-/ Ok, even without sound and flying with the mouse and English :-( keyboard the CD has a high value because I now can try to demonstrate FlightGear without having to install anything - what some people don't like - very understandable :-) But it would really great if you could fix the sound/joystick/keyboard issue! Thank you very much for your great work! Georg EDDW Heliflyer BTW: there are two other PCs in the family with other (older) hardware (= my kids). I try to test the live-CD on them the next days and report. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Speed discontinuity
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 01:21, John Wojnaroski wrote: A change that large (13 knots!!) is a major wind shear. Might it make sense to provide some sort of filtering or extrapolation between stations to moderate such extreme changes Regards John W. I also find it extremely annoying. This also relates to the why does my aircraft jerk suddenly question that we get occasionly. Some people like to think that it is some sort of turbulence, but the not-very-well-thought-out weather simulation routine is the most likely suspect. As John said, instead of relying on just one set of data from a single station, it might make sense to take data from all the surrounding stations and perform some extrapolation. Ampere --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing
Pigeon schrieb: Sorry I should be more specific. Try doing jscal -c /dev/js0 and the follow the instructions. After that see if the joystick works better (or worse ;) Hi Pigeon, now, at the end of a long night (5:11 am) I have to thank a) Pigeon, who gave me the right hints to solve the problems (jscal worked with your parameters - but to be honest, it is *not* a user-friendly program as it is very easy to make an error during the calibration and you can't correct it - do it again!) b) Pigeon, who did the work with this genious live-CD, I really enjoy! and will use to make PR for FlightGear c) my chief, who told me to work the late shift this day so that I now can get some sleep before working :-/ d) my wife who bought this nice bottle of Württemberg Lauffener Katzenbeisser 2003 Spätburgunder Spätlese trocken who made me through the night - you don't know what you missed :-) e) the stuff of Southern Germany scenery who made the testing so enjoyable by flying the wonderful scenery At last, Pigeon, it is up to you to improve sound and joystick handling for this live-CD - if you can! I wish you all the best and thank you in advance. Georg EDDW Heliflyer --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing
I've tried it in my ATI based laptop (Radeon Mobile 9000 - M9) - but it didn't work :( Very much expected :( Now that I think about it again, i should probably make it much much much more obvious at the X driver dialog prompt. At the moment it asks if you'd like to change the auto seleted X driver. In most cases it's either ati or radeon, which is both the open source driver. To use the propiertary driver you should answer yes and change it to one of the fglrx ones. So ***ATI*** users, please make sure you try them! It isn't obvious for even a Linux user who never has an ATI card to know which driver you should better use. I will correct this soon. Also the fglrx driver does not work with all ati cards. I guess I need to do something even more smart there to make this even more easy for people who doesn't know what to choose. Pigeon. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
