Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Helicopters in Flight Gear
Andy Ross schrieb: Except for all the questions I asked, you mean. :) Questions? But I was prepared for that :-) No, a little feedback is sometimes important that you know you have done all what is requiered - Got the stuff, will work on it sometimes when I have got some time left would have done it. Then I lean back and wait ;-) Yeah, this is still in my queue. But unfortunately it won't help the helicopter model at all -- the helicopter code doesn't currently work with the existing engine framework in YASim. Andy Ok, that is the actual status. But it should be improved. With my very long mail I was just trying to get some feedback, collect some ideas or even better, hear that someone is already working on a new helicopter flightmodel. But it was always my way first to see if there is anyone who can do a job much better than I and if not, try do do it again despite lacking skills and experience - you are never too old to learn new things! Regards Georg ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?
Hi Guys, Just a quick comment. There's been a few people chatting about how good/bad certain aircraft are with respect to FDM's near the edge of the normal flight envelope. I think its very difficult for a simulator to get everything right all of the time. I fly a number of different simulators (FlightGear, MSFS and X-Plane). Even MSFS obviously gets it *very* wrong from time to time. Now, I have never taken the controls of a helicopter (although I have been a passenger in one), but I'm fairly sure that with the engine off it shouldn't cavort around in the air for ages without loosing altitude, which is just what the MS Jetranger does :-) I think, what I'm trying to say is, its all very well to encourage people to strive for perfection in the flight models, 3D cockpits, etc, but when they don't quite reach it, don't beat them up about it, because even the proprietary sims don't get it right all the time :-) TTFN, Paul ~ __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Snapshot for pleasure
Le dimanche 06 novembre 2005 à 18:59 +0100, Mathias Fröhlich a écrit : On Donnerstag 03 November 2005 13:53, Gerard ROBIN wrote: The first experiment was done with a very slow speed 60 sec to go down for 10 meters. I did try it with a quickest speed up to 12 sec for 10 meters ( i don't know the real elevator speed on carrier) With 12 sec the a/c is gently rolling on is wheel nothing ugly. The framerate is the usual framerate. Ok, so this seems to be sufficiently slow. How fast is your 'usual framerate'? ... just to get a picture if your observation is made on some high end hardware or if flightgear runs at the interactive limit. Greetings Mathias Hi Mathias In between 30 and 100, slower near to zero when i get a realtime metar update Cheers -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?
On Sunday 06 November 2005 20:18, Paul Duncan wrote: Even MSFS obviously gets it *very* wrong from time to time. Now, I have never taken the controls of a helicopter (although I have been a passenger in one), but I'm fairly sure that with the engine off it shouldn't cavort around in the air for ages without loosing altitude, which is just what the MS Jetranger does :-) I think, what I'm trying to say is, its all very well to encourage people to strive for perfection in the flight models, 3D cockpits, etc, but when they don't quite reach it, don't beat them up about it, because even the proprietary sims don't get it right all the time :-) MSFS is a simulator?!! I thought it was just a game and therefore excused all the funnies. Sort of like a hard core, no frills version of Crimson Skies. Regards Paul P.S. I own a copy of FS2004 ;-) ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
..er, wrong button, let's try again. On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:13:53 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: The PC: 'knoppix Xmodule=radeon' does not work and I get the input signal out of range box again! ..duh! Try 'knoppix xmodule=radeon', all lower case. dmesg says? I have been back to the Debian web site again to download the AMD64 architecture, but it has gone from their site!!! Anyway, I think that until someone has identified or recognised the ATI hardware, I will leave off this download, as I can't save it anyway. The PC does not have floppy drives; neither does most lap tops these days! We don't have USB 'key rings or the like either to save on!!! It can save it to the hard drive, but there is a cautionary note about having to load ..beware we are _very_ cautious, I have never tried putting knoppix data on ntfs, but considering the way I usually stomp ntfs into wee corners, I'd be surprised to hear of failures. something else from knoppix to do that, so decided not to venture down that avenue. ..ok, all your laptops run 32bit and are ntfs in the worst case, and even ntfs can be resized quite safely, in my experience. First back up and defragment etc the ntfs from Wintendo, then boot knoppix and in the K menu go find System - QTParted. ..once you play around it, you'll find it quite intuitive. Now, since you run Wintendo for a living, I recommend you restrain your urge to stomp it hard into some wee corner, leave it say 15% of air. For knoppix config and command history data, 1MB upwards will do fine, it be vfat or ext3 on the hard disk or a cheapo usb key. ..Knoppix will need 2.5GB, use the new freed space for ext3 and GNU/Linux and put Grub in the master boot record, so it boots both os'es with a nice boot menu. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?
Hi Guys, Just a quick comment. There's been a few people chatting about how good/bad certain aircraft are with respect to FDM's near the edge of the normal flight envelope. I think its very difficult for a simulator to get everything right all of the time. I fly a number of different simulators (FlightGear, MSFS and X-Plane). Even MSFS obviously gets it *very* wrong from time to time. Now, I have never taken the I program sims for a living. Even the really serious engineering sims don't get it all right. The ones I help develop and use get the important stuff done quite good almost all of the time. But, landing gear, for instance, is not modeled at rest. All the sim runs end prior to V=0. Jon ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?
Le dimanche 06 novembre 2005 à 20:54 +0200, Paul Surgeon a écrit : MSFS is a simulator?!! I thought it was just a game and therefore excused all the funnies. Sort of like a hard core, no frills version of Crimson Skies. Regards Paul P.S. I own a copy of FS2004 ;-) you are right it is a game -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
Hello Arnt: Just a quick message to let you know that 'knoppix xmodule=radeon' does not work! It starts to boot, but about half way through there is a lot of flashing of error text; too fast to know what all the lines say, but the boot finishes with Error: No suitable X-Server found for your card. Prior to this the text it mentions AGP modules! Thank you Martin -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:30 PM To: FlightGear user discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:13:53 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: The PC: 'knoppix Xmodule=radeon' does not work and I get the input signal out of range box again! ..duh! Try 'knoppix xmodule=radeon', all lower case. dmesg says? I have been back to the Debian web site again to download the AMD64 architecture, but it has gone from their site!!! Anyway, I think that until someone has identified or recognised the ATI hardware, I will leave off this download, as I can't save it anyway. The PC does not have floppy drives; neither does most lap tops these days! We don't have USB 'key rings or the like either to save on!!! It can save it to the hard drive, but there is a cautionary note about having to load something else from knoppix to do that, so decided not to venture down that avenue. ..well Thank you Martin -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:11 PM To: FlightGear user discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:03:22 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I then went to the Debian website, but found I need to know which architecture to use. However, I did download for AMD64 and it is sitting in the Home Knoppix folder! I have not touched any other packages as yet, as this is all new territory now. ..this iron will do FG _just_ fine. ;o) Knoppix is 32bit, so you don't want this on your 64bit machine, and 32bit Knoppix needs 32bit FG anyway. 32bit Knoppix will do fine for messing around to learn both CNU/Linux and FG, but you wanna put 64bit code on it, and I see that some of the ATI (64bit???) hardware is not yet recognised. ..I want you to try knoppix Xmodule=radeon on your next boot. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: So what do you fly?
Le dimanche 06 novembre 2005 à 22:49 +0200, Charalampos Alexopoulos a écrit : Hi I am very thanksfull to people who implement FGFS and the aircraft's. What , in my undrstanding, is the use of this topic is to have some info of wich aircraft did what in order to not confuse ourselfs trying to do with an airplane thinks that not implemented. regards Charalampos Alexopoulos Hi Charalampos, I am not sure it is any question, about what an a/c can do or not, every function which are within FG are available for every a/c. The diff is mainly : First/ the visual aspect detail 3D and animation. Second/the panel detailed or not within mouse interface or not. Third/the FDM paramaters more or less close to the real A/C (in any case flyable) The authors are able to answer to specific questions from any users about their baby. Cheers -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 22:25:47 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: This is more from Knoppix on the Toshiba: [EMAIL PROTECTED] glxinfo /home/knoppix/fg Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0. [EMAIL PROTECTED] :00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller (rev 03) :00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller (rev 03) ..hmmm. :00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) :00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03) :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XP4m32 (rev 91) ..hmmm. Try the i810 xmodule, and screen=1024x768. processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 9 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz stepping: 5 cpu MHz : 1596.166 cache size : 1024 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe est tm2 bogomips: 3162.11 ..this iron too is plenty good cpu-wise, but the graphics... How about the other laptops? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:08:50 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: Just a quick message to let you know that 'knoppix xmodule=radeon' does not work! It starts to boot, but about half way through there is a lot of flashing of error text; too fast to know what all the lines say, but the boot finishes with Error: No suitable X-Server found for your card. Prior to this the text it mentions AGP modules! ..boot it with knoppix 2 , then play with xf86cfg and startx and init 5 , go back to the boot state with init 2 . ..or, get mean: boot it with expert . ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
