Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Custom sceneries and new a/c, are there any? Comments...
syd wrote: STUFF DELETED I dont suppose anyone has a fgfs linux binary they would share ? Cheers . Syd I suspect you'd really need all the packages. If you have a RPM-based system or with alien you can generate .deb packages from them, I have RPM's here for SimGear-0.3.9, freeglut-2.4.0 (3D options cause fgfs to fail), openal-20051114 and plib-1.8.4, plus I can make a tarball of /usr/lib/FlightGear-0.9.9 (make install in that directory will produce /usr/bin/fgfs etc.). If those are what you need I can email them late tonight when I'm back at home. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Complaints about v0.9.9
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Brasseur writes: He got mad. He was wrong to do so, we all agree on this. I think the response that was sent to him; look, you didn't pay for it, so don't complain Full stop. No, I don't agree -- that's not the response he got. The response he got was more along the lines of this is the one zillionth time you've yelled at us about this in the last several months, and it's getting really frustrating. Your email advises patience, and I agree wholeheartedly; but not without limit. Requiring patience-without-limit of developers is unrealistic and unfair, and is the path to burned-out developers who quit. -c The beauty and the troubles of opensource, you can interact with the developers and you can get to yell at the developers. With proprietary software the best/worst you can do is call it rubbish and chuck it into a corner. That's why developers of opensource have to first develop a suitably hard shell, that way they can ignore the barbs and work effectively with people who want to help them in their efforts. There should be a EULA or an addendum to the GPL that warns users that they are indebted to developers for work done and time freely given ... make suggestions, help in any way possible like writing docs, do not complain if you can't contribute. The only valid complaints that are justified are the ones where a developer rejects ideas that would improve a project, but even here, in an extreme case, other developers can fork the project. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] New nVidia drivers!
dene maxwell wrote: Hi, We have a nvidia GeForce2 MX video card running under Windows (98) ME does this driver upgarde apply to me since you're on Linux? Hello to All, Upgrading my GeForce2 Linux box to the new x86-1.0-8174 nVidia drivers was worth the job. Cheers, Eric The driver developments are separate. The latest for 98/ME is 81.85 22nd. November and there is a beta 81.87 available. According to a review I read, the new Linux driver is a feature catch-up with the Windows versions. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] New nVidia drivers!
Eric Brasseur wrote: Sid Boyce wrote: dene maxwell wrote: Hi, We have a nvidia GeForce2 MX video card running under Windows (98) ME does this driver upgarde apply to me since you're on Linux? Hello to All, Upgrading my GeForce2 Linux box to the new x86-1.0-8174 nVidia drivers was worth the job. Cheers, Eric The driver developments are separate. The latest for 98/ME is 81.85 22nd. November and there is a beta 81.87 available. According to a review I read, the new Linux driver is a feature catch-up with the Windows versions. Regards Sid. As a matter of fact I noticed no improvements after the upgrade I did today on Windows Me (that Me system already had quite recent nVidia drivers). Eric On 2 Linux boxes, I can't say I've noticed any improvements either with a FX5200 and a FX5500, the README didn't lead me to expect any. My daughter's box with a FX5200 and a TFT screen looked pretty cool even with a GeForce 2 MX-400 and SuSE 9.1 upgraded to a FX5200 and SuSE 10.0, so I'll see if there is more dazzle with the latest driver perhaps tomorrow. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] fgfs problem with compile, SuSE 10.0 i386...
Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, After (yet) another OS upgrade (to SuSE 10.0 32-bit) I have just come across a problem compiling fgfs 0.9.9. ./configure seems fine, with all required libs being there (plib/gl/glu/simgear/openal etc...), but when I go to 'make' the compile gets most of the way thru, but at the final linking it fails with the message... /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/local/lib/libsgnasal.a when searching for -lsgnasal /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lsgnasal collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [fgfs] Error 1 If anyone has seen (and solved) the same problem can they give me some pointers? My life will be void and worthless if I cannot get my fave sim back running!... /sad story :-) Of interest is that I'm using a 32-bit OS on an Athlon64...too many issues getting dv editing software and surround sound and wmv9 and other stuff running on a 64-bit OS...surely that will not prevent software from compiling? Will it? Please don't tell me it will, as I'll cry!! :-) Kind regards, Chris Wilkinson, Brisbane, Australia. That should be part of SimGear, seems you need an upgrade of SimGear. SIMGEAR/source/simgear/nasal/libsgnasal.a Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Build error on SuSE 9.3
Jeff Causey wrote: Hi! I am trying to build the new 9.9 on SuSE 9.3. I am at the point that I am trying to install SimGear. Configure works ok, but when I hit the make stage, it bombs. The following looks to be the culprit: In file included from ../../simgear/sound/soundmgr_openal.hxx:53, from visual_enviro.cxx:33: ../../simgear/sound/sample_openal.hxx:50:22: AL/alut.h: No such file or directory After that, I start seeing a bunch of error messages regarding visual_enviro.cxx until it bombs completely. I'm guessing it has something to do with OpenAL? I do have openal-20050203-4 already installed. Any help would be most appreciated! Jeff Causey I have openal-20041114, 20050203 may be too old. The build instructions recommend you install the latest cvs version. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Error while installing FG in RedHatLinux 9v
iswarya damodharan wrote: Hi , Curt and Andy thanks for your reply.Now I have tried installing Flight Gear in Red Hat Linux 9version.I installed in the below order (1)SimGear/z-lib (2)Plib (3)SimGear (4)FlightGear When installing Flight Gear I got the below error. Making install in tests make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/source/FlightGear-0.9.4/tests' gcc -g -O2 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o gl-info gl-info.o -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXi -lXext -lX11 -ldl -lm gl-info.o(.text+0xe8): In function `main': /usr/local/source/FlightGear-0.9.4/tests/gl-info.c:59: undefined reference to `glutInit' gl-info.o(.text+0xf4):/usr/local/source/FlightGear-0.9.4/tests/gl-info.c:60: undefined reference to `glutInitDisplayMode' gl-info.o(.text+0x100):/usr/local/source/FlightGear-0.9.4/tests/gl-info.c:61: undefined reference to `glutCreateWindow' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [gl-info] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/source/FlightGear-0.9.4/tests' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 Do tell me wht are the libraries and packages that should be installed for further successful completion of FG installation.Mention also the paths where the libraries need to be installed. Thanks Regards, Iswarya Damodharan http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/sigclick.cgi/www.rediff.com/signature-home.htm/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d The freeglut package needs to be installed. # grep -r glutInitDisplayMode /usr/include/GL/ /usr/include/GL/freeglut_ext.h: * New tokens for glutInitDisplayMode. /usr/include/GL/freeglut_std.h:FGAPI voidFGAPIENTRY glutInitDisplayMode( unsigned int displayMode ); Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] install problem on SUSE 10
Gerard ROBIN wrote: Le jeudi 24 novembre 2005 à 09:56 -0800, Dan Martin a écrit : Hello, Can anyone help me with a SuSe 10 install? Since I'm using a full install of all SuSe 10 packages, I only needed to download/install simgear package base package 0.99 source 0.99 Everything compiled fine and the first few loading splash screens come up fine, but then I get a freeglut error: --- fgfs opening file: /usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat /usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Navaids/TACAN_freq.dat Initialising callsign using 'Aircraft/c172p/Models/c172p.xml' freeglut (fgfs): Failed to create cursor freeglut ERROR: Function glutSetCursor called without first calling 'glutInit'. Thanks, Dan Look at your freeglut version, you need version 2.2. 2.2 does not build with gcc-4.0.2, I downloaded the CVS version on 15/11 and compiled it, then used checkinstall to generate the rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 546349 2005-11-15 06:23 /usr/src/packages/RPMS/i386/freeglut-2.4.0-7.i386.rpm When I ran fgfs with it I got the same freeglut error which I found was due to something in ~/.fgfsrc, then Erik Hofman pointed to --enable-clouds3d, I changed it to --enable-clouds and it's been fine ever since. Currently running SuSE 10.0 with kernel 2.6.15-rc2. Someone else mentioned there is a patch for freeglut which I haven't yet found. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FGFS 0.9.9/Linux and GLX initialization error
Enrique Vaamonde wrote: hi there, this problem has been reported when using freeglut 2.4... you should either go back to version 2.2, or compile it from sources after applying a patch posted over freeglut's forums. If you need help finding that patch let me know. hope this helps, I haven't found the patch, but I built freeglut from CVS 15/11/05. Regards Sid. STUFF DELETED -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FGFS 0.9.9/Linux and GLX initialization error
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed fgfs by way of the configure/make/make install method. The 'configure' command was called as: $ configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 --sysconfdir=/etc/X11 which is the way I configure just about all my X programs. There were some warnings generated by some of the After the make, make check and make install, I ran fgfs with the following command: $ fgfs --enable-auto-coordination --bpp=24 I get the following messages: opening file: /usr/X11R6/share/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat /usr/X11R6/share/FlightGear/data/Navaids/TACAN_freq.dat Initialising callsign using 'Aircraft/c172p/Models/c172p.xml' freeglut (fgfs): Failed to create cursor freeglut ERROR: Function glutSetCursor called without first calling 'glutInit'. $ STUFF DELETED I had the same error a few days ago, I ran fgfs without ~/.fgfsrc and it was OK. It turned out to be --enable-clouds3d in ~/.fgfsrc as suggested in the response to my post to the list, changed it to --enable-clouds and it's fine. If it's not that, it may be something else that can be found by commenting out other lines. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FGFS 0.9.9/Linux and GLX initialization error
Sid Boyce wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed fgfs by way of the configure/make/make install method. The 'configure' command was called as: $ configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 --sysconfdir=/etc/X11 which is the way I configure just about all my X programs. There were some warnings generated by some of the After the make, make check and make install, I ran fgfs with the following command: $ fgfs --enable-auto-coordination --bpp=24 I get the following messages: opening file: /usr/X11R6/share/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat /usr/X11R6/share/FlightGear/data/Navaids/TACAN_freq.dat Initialising callsign using 'Aircraft/c172p/Models/c172p.xml' freeglut (fgfs): Failed to create cursor freeglut ERROR: Function glutSetCursor called without first calling 'glutInit'. $ STUFF DELETED I had the same error a few days ago, I ran fgfs without ~/.fgfsrc and it was OK. It turned out to be --enable-clouds3d in ~/.fgfsrc as suggested in the response to my post to the list, changed it to --enable-clouds and it's fine. If it's not that, it may be something else that can be found by commenting out other lines. Regards Sid. This is what I use. ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-threads --with-simgear=/usr --with-plib=/usr --build=athlon I was a bit quick off the mark, if you don't have ~/.fgfsrc, perhaps it may be the command line option above. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] recommendation for joystick/pedals for fgfs/Linux?
Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: Dear FG users, I'm looking for a decent set of joystick and pedals to use with FG on a Linux x86 box. For local availability reasons, I'd prefer this to be either MS or Logitech products, but using other manufacturer's produce is possible, albeit incurring several extra weeks of wait. Please recommend me systems that you know of as working. The setting is noble --- I'm trying to lure B.Sc. students into doing mini-projects around flightgear, so that successful contributions back to the flightgear project could be made. I don't have enough budget to buy several-thousand-dollars-worth systems like the ones used in the flight school PCATDs; is it at all possible to find consumer-grade pedals that, like in the real airplane, are interconnected (i.e., pressing the left makes the right one depressed and vice versa)? Also, I wonder if the force feedback feature is used by flightgear? I'm a complete joystick newbie, my last joystick was a Kempston spring-centered one-button one, connected to a Spectrum-compatible 8-bit computer :-) TIA, Vassilii The CH Products Yoke and Pedals (USB) has worked fine here for at least 2 years. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Re: freeglut 2.4.0/CVS and CVS fgfs problem
Sid Boyce wrote: I can't find the email in my folder, but I think I raised the question before regarding FlightGear-0.9.8 and freeglut-2.4.0. I eventually was able to get 0.9.8 to work with freeglut-2.4.0. Built CVS FlightGear yesterday and I get this error again, even building all packages from CVS. # fgfs freeglut (fgfs): ERROR: Internal error Visual with necessary capabilities not found in function fgOpenWindow X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 4 (X_DestroyWindow) Resource id in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 14 Current serial number in output stream: 17 freeglut ERROR: Function glutSetCursor called without first calling 'glutInit'. - freeglut-2.2.0 no longer builds on SuSE 10.0/gcc-4.0.2. Regards Sid. Seems to be something in ~/.fgfsrc, without that file fgfs starts up OK and uses the CH yoke and pedals. I shall have to comment out stuff until I find the culprit. # less .fgfsrc --fg-root=/usr/lib/FlightGear/data --fg-scenery=/usr/lib/FlightGear/data/Scenery --airport-id=EGBW --aircraft=c150 --control=joystick --disable-intro-music --enable-random-objects --enable-enhanced-lighting --bpp=32 --enable-sound --enable-clouds3d --enable-fullscreen --timeofday=noon --runway=18 --geometry=1280x1024 --nav1=124.025 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: freeglut 2.4.0/CVS and CVS fgfs problem
Erik Hofman wrote: Sid Boyce wrote: Sid Boyce wrote: Seems to be something in ~/.fgfsrc, without that file fgfs starts up OK and uses the CH yoke and pedals. I shall have to comment out stuff until --enable-clouds3d That one. Erik Sure enough, that was the problem. Thanks Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] freeglut 2.4.0/CVS and CVS fgfs problem
I can't find the email in my folder, but I think I raised the question before regarding FlightGear-0.9.8 and freeglut-2.4.0. I eventually was able to get 0.9.8 to work with freeglut-2.4.0. Built CVS FlightGear yesterday and I get this error again, even building all packages from CVS. # fgfs freeglut (fgfs): ERROR: Internal error Visual with necessary capabilities not found in function fgOpenWindow X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 4 (X_DestroyWindow) Resource id in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 14 Current serial number in output stream: 17 freeglut ERROR: Function glutSetCursor called without first calling 'glutInit'. - freeglut-2.2.0 no longer builds on SuSE 10.0/gcc-4.0.2. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] ..help 64bit K8 hardware diagnosis for FG, was: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:45:44 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey guys, Some of this started out interesting, but at some point you might consider taking this offline into private email ... Curt. ..sure, but I|we need help on the 64bit K8 hardware diagnosis: On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:42:59 +0100, Arnt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:50:00 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: This is from the PC using Knoppix. ..this is a 64 bit AMD iron, AFAICT. LSPCI:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] lspci :00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5950 :00:02.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a34 :00:11.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 437a :00:12.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4379 :00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4374 :00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4375 :00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4373 :00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4372 (rev 04) :00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4376 :00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4377 :00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4371 :00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 ..any of you guys recognise this above ATI hardware? Is it all 64bit or can it be made at least limping, coughing etc into life on 32bit code? You need an updated /usr/share/pci.ids file from pciids.sourceforge.net, these are some of the returns from the latest one . 4372 IXP SB400 SMBus Controller 5a34 RS480 PCI-X Root Port 4376 Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller ATI 5b60 RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] STUFF DELETED Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] fgfs failure with freeglut on SuSE 10.0
Lee Elliott wrote: On Sunday 30 Oct 2005 00:20, Sid Boyce wrote: Distribution has freeglut-2.4.0 built with gcc-4.0.2 freeglut (fgfs): Failed to create cursor freeglut ERROR: Function glutSetCursor called without first calling 'glutInit'. -- - Rebuilt openal, SimGear and FlightGear-0.9.8 from sources and also from CVS meet with the same error. Attempting to build freeglut CVS gives many errors of the same kind.. freeglut_callbacks.c: In function 'glutTabletButtonFunc': freeglut_callbacks.c:354: warning: ISO C forbids conversion of object pointer to function pointer type freeglut_callbacks.c:354: warning: ISO C forbids conversion of function pointer to object pointer type Help appreciated. Regards Sid. It seems that there are some problems with freeglut-2.4 and regressing to 2.2 should get you working. I had to do the same thing recently after updating one of my Debian boxes. LeeE Thanks, I shall try that. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] fgfs failure with freeglut on SuSE 10.0
Distribution has freeglut-2.4.0 built with gcc-4.0.2 freeglut (fgfs): Failed to create cursor freeglut ERROR: Function glutSetCursor called without first calling 'glutInit'. --- Rebuilt openal, SimGear and FlightGear-0.9.8 from sources and also from CVS meet with the same error. Attempting to build freeglut CVS gives many errors of the same kind.. freeglut_callbacks.c: In function 'glutTabletButtonFunc': freeglut_callbacks.c:354: warning: ISO C forbids conversion of object pointer to function pointer type freeglut_callbacks.c:354: warning: ISO C forbids conversion of function pointer to object pointer type Help appreciated. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Update on a Previous Question
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:40:00 +0200, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Andy: Thank you for spelling out the differences in plain language. Certainly it does make one think on what is actually being purchased. The spec for the Tecra M1 and what it is used for, professionally, was cost effective as a communications tool. Slightly higher in price than some, but it is the task that had to be dealt with, not the games function. I have looked at ATI�s website for the other two laptops, after running an update for their respective drivers; both were up-to-date, yet no help. As Sid has mentioned, manufacturers are not going to blow their trumpets over OpenGL etc. However, we purchase from specialised dealers and now one should be able to pose the right questions to include OpenGL. ..if you're running out of ideas, try get 'n burn 'n boot a knoppix CD on your 3 laptops, you want the english 4.0.2, follow Download link from: http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ..you only need one of your 3 old laptops, and it may be supported under GNU/Linux even if Microsoft has no OpenGL drivers. About 3 weeks ago, I saw a post on Groklaw.net of Microsoft having adopted a strategy or market policy on not supporting OpenGL. Shame on Groklaw, I missed that, it warrants a reply from me. The mention of MS not supporting OpenGL is an oxymoron, it'll be a cold day in hell when Microsoft supports anything with open in the name. ..to do a CD boot, you will have push a button, usually Esc or Del or F1 or F2 or F10 etc, YMVV. Enter the menu, find the boot disk menu, and select the CD (or DVD, YMMV) as the boot disk. ..on CD bootup, just follow the advice given, once booted up, hit the penguin menu button beside the K menu button, select Root Shell. ..in the cli/xterm/DOS Window, first type glxinfo (NOT GLXINFO!). This command will mention direct rendering: Yes or No. If Yes, we're done, apt-get update ;apt-get install fgfs will advice if it needs anything (such as an install mirror, I believe ftp.de.debian.org will serve you just fine, I use it to update my own install mirror). ..in the latter case No, we will need the output of lspci , dmesg and lsmod posted here, to advice further, some video cards need clue whacks and Nvidea even closed source drivers to do OpenGL. Checking on google I found the following for Windows http://www.rage3d.com/articles/atidawning/ I have a Radeon Mobility 9600 in my laptop, but haven't yet got around to looking at openGL support, I'll do that soon after having a good read of http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/ and anything else I can find. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Update on a Previous Question
MPCEE French Bureau wrote: Hello: Last month I mentioned that I had an installation problem for WindowsXP. From the Reponses that I received, at that time, were one’s that mentioned OpenGL etc for audio and video. Looking at the number of threads where NVDIA has been mentioned, I posed this question to Toshiba (the manufacturer of the computer that I am trying to install FG on. The response is an interesting one and, I think, needs to be responded to on this Forum, to help Windows’ users. Quote – “NVDIA cannot be used on our Notebooks, however you have the up-to-date Microsoft Direct3D which should be acceptable for your request”. I still cannot run FG. That is to say all runs perfectly until you press, “RUN”, but eventually the command window says “Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting… Possible cause: No error. If anyone out there is using Windows on a laptop with Microsoft Direct3D, perhaps they can respond to why this is happening. Other programmes run quite happily and I am sure Toshiba would not miss the opportunity to ensure there machines are capable of capitalising on a market that is worth millions from the games industry etc! TIA. Martin ___ Poor guys, they won't know what OpenGL is, perhaps they've never heard of it. They could easily have said that their laptops use ATI instead of NVidia chips, but that would be revealing too much. Increasingly I'm finding that manufacturers' specs are bare of anything meaningful, in case someone is smart enough to figure out they are using chipsets that are inferior in performance to the latest greatest from the competition at the same sort of price. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Two simple questions offered
MPCEE French Bureau wrote: Hello George: Vassilii passed the information to me. You have directed to the Atlas home page, but there is NO information to get the NDBs and the frequencies from any of the hyperlinks. Thanks Martin On the download page, there is atlas-0.3.0-win32-setup.exe. If FlightGear has the sectional for your region, then Atlas shows NDB, ILS runways, ICAO etc. for all nearby airports. I'm not Windows literate, but in Linux I run Atlas --airport=EGBB and get all that stuff displayed. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial - Flight between 2 airports
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: On the missed approach - apply full power and when you have a positive rate of climb (to avoid loss of height), retract flaps. Climb out should also be on the dead side, climb to circuit height and turn to rejoin the circuit pattern. Regards Sid. Thanks for the information Sid. I've updated the instructions appropriately. Could you take another look to check I've got it right? Regards, -Stuart Looks good, additionally here are some excellent manuals I'd recommend for all pilots, www.asa2fly.com, search on VISUALIZED FLIGHT MANEUVERS, I have the High Wing and Low Wing manuals I picked up at Comair some years ago and I often consult them. They give detailed graphical representations and good brief but comprehensive explanation of exactly how to fly every manuever. I think they will be a handy addition for anyone as they cover Private, Commercial and CFI skills, e.g instantly one can see how the plane behaves, answering questions like why the plane doesn't fly in a straight line, why it turns left or right after takeoff and during the takeoff run. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial - Flight between 2 airports
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: I think any $100 hamburgere flight would be best done from airports in the standard scenery set, to save additional download. I'm starting to write one from Reid-Hillview (KRHV) to Livermore (KLVK). I'm hoping to include ATC and auto-pilot instructions so it fits in nicely with Eric's great tutorial. It took a bit longer than I expected, but I've now finished a cross-country tutorial from KRHV to KLVK. Take a look here: http://www.nanjika.co.uk/flightgear/tutorial.html The idea is to provide a follow-on from Eric's tutorial covering things like the pattern, mixture, radios, ATIS, ATC. Unfortunately having not encountered these in real life, my knowledge is a bit patchy. I'd really appreciate any comments. Regards, -Stuart On the missed approach - apply full power and when you have a positive rate of climb (to avoid loss of height), retract flaps. Climb out should also be on the dead side, climb to circuit height and turn to rejoin the circuit pattern. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] (OT) VATSIM guy steals Citation?
Jon Stockill wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Dave Culp wrote: Just read that authorities have arrested Daniel Wolcott, 22, for stealing a Citation [...] VATSIM has a long-time user at their Atlanta ARTCC named Daniel Wolcott. Same guy?? Please let this be true. :) Sorry for the crappy url, but after lots of nobody arrested yet stories: http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/STOLEN_AIRPLANE?SITE=HIHADSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2005-10-11-19-31-12 Just when you think you have seen and heard it all, something else comes along. When he gets out, he'll probably make a tidy sum describing how and why he did it, but he'll never set foot in an aircraft again in his lifetime. Single pilot Cessna rating busted because of the damage to the plane. Boy, is he in big trouble with a string of charges as long as my arm. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial
Eric Brasseur wrote: Hello, I wrote a FlightGear tutorial: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/flight_simulator_tutorial.html Cheers Eric Excellent work that I can recommend to anyone needing the basics. I shall have a longer look later to see if there is anything else I can suggest for addition. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Compiling FlightGear
scott wrote: Andy Ross wrote: scott wrote: checking for plib 1.8.4 or newer... wrong version configure: error: Install plib 1.8.0 or later first... Any ideas? I don't know why, but it sounds to me like your plib library is the wrong version. You should install plib 1.8.4 or newer first. :) (The second error message is wrong; we do indeed require require plib 1.8.4) Andy Ok, got that, unzipped it and then did a ./configure on that. Turns out that it could not find a working GL library. Tried finding MesaGL or OpenGL on the install CD of SuSE Linux. I would think that it already would be there since I could install an OpenGL game and it did so without giving me any dependency problems. Scott Install freeglut and freeglut-devel. The download page says up front # Prerequisite: Glut (FreeGlut) - OpenGL Utility Toolkit (GLUT) library. # Prerequisite: OpenAL - Cross Platform 3D Audio. Strangely, OpenAL doesn't do versioned releases so you generally have to grab the latest CVS. # Prerequisite: plib - portability libraries and scene graph. You need plib-1.8.4 or newer to build FlightGear 0.9.8. # Prerequisite: SimGear - simulation construction tools. You need SimGear-0.3.8 to build FlightGear-0.9.8. # Documentation is included with the base package. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Hardware requirements
James Vahn wrote: On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, AJ MacLeod (email lists) wrote: From what I've seen, on balance ATI cards seem slightly more problematic than NVidia. Just for the record, frame rates are excellent with my new FX5200 but the computer locks up far too frequently when using the nvidia driver. Seems to be fine with the nv driver. This is the driver package I downloaded from Nvidia: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run Which one are you running? Btw, you asked and I forgot to answer- I'm using 1024x768 at 16 bits. I've had no problems with 7667 on SuSE 9.3/FX5500 and Mandrake 10.1/FX5200. The only problem was caused when my new kernel was compiled without the agpgart module and VC mode screens when switching from X were just a series of blotches. The README file suggests options that can be tried. Section Device BoardNameGeForce FX 5500 BusID3:0:0 Driver nvidia Identifier Device[0] VendorName NVidia Option NvAgp 3 Option Coolbits 1 Option IgnoreDisplayDevices TV EndSection For the FX5200 on Mandrake 10.1 also using a DVB-T card. Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName NVidia BoardName NVIDIA GeForce FX (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS Option IgnoreEDID 1 EndSection Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Pixel Details
Erik Hofman wrote: iswarya damodharan wrote: Sir, I am using Flight Gear and I am using terra gear only for scenery database. I have downloaded the sceneries from the world map provided by flight gear.You have not mention the pixel resolution. I would like to know how many meters does a single pixel represent. For OpenGL there is not just a single pixel resolution, except for the textures. OpenGL (being a vector graphics library) adjusts the resolution and always draws at the highest resolution possible for your hardware. The textures are a different matter, in the materials.xml file (in the root of the base package) one specifies what area the texture covers (say 1000 x 1000 meter) and then your resolution will be (if the texture is 512 x 512 pixels) around 2 meter per pixel. Kindly reply at the earliest. I'm sure this is meant to be nice and all but somehow I think this will just delay the response time since it almost sounds like an order. Erik There used to be formats and greetings that had to be different dependent on whom you were addressing and for what purpose. They were books that told you how. A letter/email starting off with Sir makes me suspect it was culled from a template. Probably what is written and what is meant are two different things. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Pixel Details
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Sid Boyce wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: iswarya damodharan wrote: Kindly reply at the earliest. I'm sure this is meant to be nice and all but somehow I think this will just delay the response time since it almost sounds like an order. Erik There used to be formats and greetings that had to be different dependent on whom you were addressing and for what purpose. They were books that told you how. A letter/email starting off with Sir makes me suspect it was culled from a template. Probably what is written and what is meant are two different things. This is ***way*** of topic, but this method of requesting help has to be a cultural thing and I suspect intent and intonation and some subtleties have been lost in translation. I've seen more than a few very well meaning emails that end with an command that I drop everything else and immediate help the sender, but that request is usually so out of place compared to the tone of the rest of the message that it couldn't have possibly been meant that way. Native english speakers taking a command for immediate help at face value see it as somewhat of a slap in the face, but I've tried to train myself to look past that. Hehe, if this had been translated straight from Russian, then it probably would be a an actual command and the original intonation would have been authoritative. I don't think they have a word for please. :-) But again, there's some cultural differences there to factor in. Curt. You spotted it also. I was being diplomatic, meaning that my impression was that the emailer was not familiar in the use of the English language(s). Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] [OT] R/C A-10
Gene Buckle wrote: http://www.digitalvalhalla.net/ww/fresno2004flight1friday.zip Impressive. 1/5th scale A-10 with jet fuel eating engines. g. Unfortunately I lost this with a hard drive crash and the site seems no longer to exist. I'd appreciate details of an alternative site or someone with broadband to try emailing it to me. A google search on the file didn't find it. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] [OT] R/C A-10
C Ridley - OnCall Solutions wrote: Here is the link - it will be up for 7 days. http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UPTWNC43JDQR0SQX97HSQ2JFQ I have a rather large collection of avaition movies - about 8GB, so if there is anything else you are looking for, ask! There is a particularly good video of a scale RC B-52. Chris Excellent, it's on its way down, this time I shall back it up on two other boxes and my USB HD, it's priceless. Thanks and Regards Sid. On 7/4/05, *Sid Boyce* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gene Buckle wrote: http://www.digitalvalhalla.net/ww/fresno2004flight1friday.zip http://www.digitalvalhalla.net/ww/fresno2004flight1friday.zip Unfortunately I lost this with a hard drive crash and the site seems no longer to exist. I'd appreciate details of an alternative site or someone with broadband to try emailing it to me. A google search on the file didn't find it. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org mailto:Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- Chris Ridley OnCall Solutions Onsite Technology Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 800-492-7459 - We make a Living by what we get. We make a Life by what we give. We usually make a mess by what we do. If you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done. -- Chris Ridley OnCall Solutions Onsite Technology Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 800-492-7459 - We make a Living by what we get. We make a Life by what we give. We usually make a mess by what we do. If you want something you've never had, you've got to do something you've never done. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Re: fgfs start error
Sid Boyce wrote: fgfs: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion `window-Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed. Aborted I've tried both the SuSE 9.3 freeglut and one I bult from cvs sources. Regards Sid. Turns out it doesn't like something in ~/.fgfsrc, moving the file, and fgfs runs. I must play with these settings to see which one causes the problem. --fg-root=/usr/lib/FlightGear/data --fg-scenery=/usr/lib/FlightGear/data/Scenery --airport-id=EGBB --aircraft=pa28-161 --control=joystick --disable-intro-music --enable-random-objects --enable-enhanced-lighting --bpp=32 --enable-sound --enable-clouds3d --enable-fullscreen --timeofday=noon --runway=33 --geometry=1280x1024 --nav1=124.025 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] fgfs start error
fgfs: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion `window-Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed. Aborted I've tried both the SuSE 9.3 freeglut and one I bult from cvs sources. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] fgfs start error
Sid Boyce wrote: fgfs: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion `window-Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed. Aborted I've tried both the SuSE 9.3 freeglut and one I bult from cvs sources. Regards Sid. I forgot to add that I'm using the Nvidia 7174 driver with a FX5500 and kernel 2.6.12-rc5. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. While this is true, I would recommend using a non-commerial Distro like Debian, Ubuntu or even gentoo. They might be harder to setup the first time, they are often easier to keep running (no need to sell a new release). Yours, Björn I found gentoo is about the most hands-off distro to install there is, by the end of the install I thought back to how much I learned. Apart from emerge which is a gentoo only tool, I couldn't think of single thing and months on I can safely say the same, you don't need to get under the hood. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Paul Paul Surgeon writes The best advice I have is that someone sits down with you and shows you how to do it. What would work well is a VNC or screen session plus IRC. I've helped people like this in the past - you log into their box and show them how to do it. This once again sounds simple.What is a VNC and were would I buy one if I could use it.:-) This is the whole problem what you are talking about is simple to you but to me you might as well be speaking a foreign language. However just an IRC session could do it because you can just tell us the error and we can tell you what to type to fix it. Well I did try the FG irc channel once but the reception I got was less than friendly. Why.Because I was not aware of the protocol and so was shunded so to speak. The problem with offline step-by-step solutions is that it only takes one little problem to mess everything up like a header file being in the wrong place or a binary not being in a path. Amen to that.Like with the 3D graphics problem I am having.In one forum they said you have to check that the line load glx is uncommented in the XF86Config-4 file.Great edit the file using VI, which has to be the easiest text editor ever invented, reboot Mandrake only to find Mandrake has commented the line out again.Now I have not found anywhere yet that tells me how to overcome this problem. So Innis you're quite right about saying it's not easy. I battled for many months figuring out how Linux works and that's coming from a programming background! If you're coming from a point and click background then I can only imagine how frustrating it can be. However once you get the hang of it, it's dead easy. Unfortunately at my stage of life I am worried that death may intervene before hand.:-) I was on a site today for problems installing the Nvidia drives.They had one sticky that had nearly 600 replies and that was one of about a dozen to read. While RTFM might be a cute responce one could ask WFM. The IRC channel is there for this type of help - come join us sometime and we'll get you sorted out. :) Thanks for the offer Paul.But David Culp gave me a detailed howto which I have not yet worked through I will get back as I go. Just incase some people think I hate Linux.I had to install a new mouse on my dual boot box.Under Windows 98 I had a couple of crashes before Windows was happy but Mandrake booted quite happily without any need to install drivers.So chalk one up for Linux.:-) Paul Cheers Innis If you like, I can send you the config file for the NVIDIA FX5200 I'm using on Mandrake. There are also other editors besides vi, there is gedit and many more available on any distro. I can sympathize with the comments on vi, I've been using it for over 20 years and I only use as much as I have to, no fancy stuff at all, insert, delete, save, replace, etc. It's been said quite correctly that the one thing that retarded Unix was the availability of a decent text editor, but that's not now the case, though I've still not seen any with the flexibility and intuitiveness of IBM's MVS/SPF dating back nearly 30 years - my conclusion is that Unix developers regard editors and databases as something common folk should not be messing with - cooledit being the exception. The NVIDIA driver installation should be simplicity itself, but as frequently noticed, people don't read and understand too well, typically they read and translate rather than understand. You have to approach this stuff from the angle of I don't know Jack about this stuff because you don't, proceed to learn it, it's amazing the progress then made. 1. in a VC, init 3 to close down X. 2. ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run ### If installation fails and you change the XF86Config, Mandrake will reset it to nv when X is started. /var/log/nvidia-installer.log tells you how the install went. 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. 4. init 5 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flightgear not starting
Jörg Meyer wrote: Dave Are you using an SB Live or other SB brand card by any chance? Dave Martin it's an ASRock mainboard with presumably a C-Media AC'97 sound chip onboard. HTH, Jörg The docs recommend the latest CVS version of openal, the one used is way old. I've found that if you use the latest stuff, it works. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Can't Configure Joystick
Dave Martin wrote: On Wednesday 22 Dec 2004 11:37, Sid Boyce wrote: With a XP2200+, it was normal, but with this XP3000+, it was a nightmare ride. Is that a Gameport joystick? - Would have thought there was an upper limit on polling at least for a gameport (baud rate) but for USB I'm not so sure. Do they behave nicely in jscal / jstest? The CH Products yoke and pedals are USB. jstest works, jscal goes as far as detecting the aeileron control, then does nothing when you press any other button. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Can't Configure Joystick
Sid Boyce wrote: Dave Martin wrote: On Wednesday 22 Dec 2004 11:37, Sid Boyce wrote: With a XP2200+, it was normal, but with this XP3000+, it was a nightmare ride. Is that a Gameport joystick? - Would have thought there was an upper limit on polling at least for a gameport (baud rate) but for USB I'm not so sure. Do they behave nicely in jscal / jstest? The CH Products yoke and pedals are USB. jstest works, jscal goes as far as detecting the aeileron control, then does nothing when you press any other button. Regards Sid. aeileron should read elevator. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Radios and other stuff.
Dave Martin wrote: On Tuesday 21 Dec 2004 13:10, David Megginson wrote: It took 3 months of solid 8 hours a day in aicraft radio school to learn how these systems work.And I am not sure 30 years later that I fully understand or believe what I was taught. Were you learning how to build or maintain the instruments, rather than just use them? All the best, David Depends how long ago he trained, I once saw an ancient ADF, the size of a dinner-plate. You probably had to know how to stoke the boiler on that one ;-) ___ It's probably what I call the knowledge syndrome, the more you know, the more you realise how much you don't know. From a young lad who thought he knew all about radio to a fully qualified and experienced adult, my perception is that I have a very sketchy knowledge of how the stuff works, but I know just enough to get me by. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Can't Configure Joystick
Jeremy Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 10:31 pm, Mr. Nigel Chuckletrousers wrote: I'm trying to get a Logitech Attack 3 to work with FlightGear, but things aren't going as FlightGear.org's documentation suggests. Whenever I run js_demo and jstest, the joystick is recognized, so at least that works correctly. I'm running this on my dad's SuSE 9.1 Linux box, and SuSE seems to treat FlightGear differently than other distros, as it has a custom-made SuSE package for FlightGear (not the standard-issue rpm or compiled-from-source), and many paths are different. For example, the instructions say to run cd /usr/local/FlightGear/Input/Joysticks, but in SuSE, one must run cd /usr/lib/FlightGear/data/Input/Joysticks. This may have some effect on why things aren't acting correctly: Whenever I run fgjs, everything works fine to configure the joystick to work. However, it's supposed to create the file fgfsrc.js, which cannot be located anywhere on the hard drive. Has anyone else had a problem with it not producing a configuration file? And could somebody please assist me? Thank you. I have no knowledge of SuSE. I installed from source. For me fgjs creates fgfsrc.js in the current directory. Since I ran it from my home directory that's where my file was created. If I tried to run it from a directory for which I didn't have write permissions -- who knows? I ended up manually creating an xml file for my joystick: I added an entry for my_joystick.xml to /usr/share/FlightGear/joysticks.xml and then created my_joystick.xml and added it to /usr/share/FlightGear/Input/Joysticks/my_joystick's_manufacturer/ I based my_joystick.xml on that for a simple CH-compatable stick with 4 axis and 4 buttons in /usr/share/FlightGear/Input/Joysticks/ which had a similar number of buttons, sliders, axis, triggers, etc. When the SuSE package gets installed, I never used it. I grab all the sources and build it myself. Calibration of the CH yoke and pedals assigns the elevator, then does not respond to any other buttons. I've had to cut and try values in the xml file to get the sensitivity of controls to react properly, e.g with the default file, a slight input of rudder on the take-off run would cause it to veer off the runway rapidly, turns and climbs were way out of true. It would seem they depend on the processor speed. With a XP2200+, it was normal, but with this XP3000+, it was a nightmare ride. I wonder if there could be a way for fgfs to take a cue from the data in /proc/cpuinfo. # fgjs Found 2 joystick(s) Joystick 0 has 7 axes Joystick 1 has 3 axes Move the control you wish to use for elevator Assigned axis 1 on joystick 0 to control elevator Press any button for next control Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Something for the weekend (giggle)
Bill Galbraith wrote: David Megginson wrote: For anyone wondering why Dave included a giggle in the subject line, I'm guessing that it's because something for the weekend, sir? is the way British barbers used to offer to sell condoms to customers. I don't know why I know this, but I'm sure it's wasting space in my brain that could be used for better purposes. All the best, David The funniest I ever saw on that subject was in the Warwick pub in Southend-on-sea, written on the dispensing machine in the gents was THIS IS THE WORST CHEWING GUM IN SOUTHEND. Regards Sid. I saw one screwed onto a wall, straight through the center of it, with a For Sale sign, advertising Never Used. The number seem endless and priceless, like one a colleague saw some years back when there was a high profile campaign to have George Davis freed from prison, it was stuck over part of a petrol station's advert and read Free George Davis with every 4 gallons. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] [from AVSIM] Config file parseerror: C:/ProgramFiles/FlightGear/data/system.fgfsrc '--prop: encountered in XP
Dave Martin wrote: On Sunday 12 Dec 2004 13:55, Paul Surgeon wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm inferring that if you invite the uninitiated (I hate the term 'noob') then that is exactly what you will receive (in all forms) Are you suggesting we should prevent people from using single engine aircraft all together? No. M$FS has realism sliders that affect aircraft handling and they are set to noob by default. It works just fine and I don't see why we can't do the same. MSFS is also a game rather than a serious simulator. Although it boasts a massive swaythe of features, it's flightmodel is at best lack-lustre. If Flightgear is a realistic simulation of flight then let it be a realistic simulation of flight. - If people can't fly the very first time they try and are unwilling to persevere then it would probably be better that they walked away and used something more simplistic such as MSFS or X-Plane. (Not to belittle X-Plane but it can be made to be 'easy' ) ___ Agreed, If my memory is correct, the ultimate goal of the project is to produce a simulator that can satisfy the FAA requirements, one that can be used as part of the training to qualify for issue of a pilot's license. I've seen posts from NASA and Boeing guys saying they intended to contribute to fgfs, hoping to use it in their daily development work. Such a simulator (ELITE - JAR/FAA certified) is used at our school as part of IMC/IFR training and examination, so the handling has to be realistic. Recently a guy started training and stated that he was a wiz on MSFS, but had to remark that the real aeroplane was a completely different experience. Some years ago, I did 1.7 hours flying a PA28-161, completed the paper work, paid up and headed off to an exhibition where there was MSFS with yoke and pedals, I did a smooth take-off and at 500 feet did a right turn only to have the PA28 in MSFS roll left and crash. I phoned up the school to advise against the purchase they were contemplating, instead they bought a proper package that is still used for IFR/IMC training and exams. Perhaps, the project goals should be spelled out in bold coloured type so that no one gets the idea that fgfs is an attempt at cloning MSFS. MSFS is not designed to meet certification standards. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Something for the weekend (giggle)
David Megginson wrote: For anyone wondering why Dave included a giggle in the subject line, I'm guessing that it's because something for the weekend, sir? is the way British barbers used to offer to sell condoms to customers. I don't know why I know this, but I'm sure it's wasting space in my brain that could be used for better purposes. All the best, David The funniest I ever saw on that subject was in the Warwick pub in Southend-on-sea, written on the dispensing machine in the gents was THIS IS THE WORST CHEWING GUM IN SOUTHEND. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Joystick Error -Seg Fault
Erik Hofman wrote: Mark Wells wrote: Flightgear runs great if I use the keyboard. If I plug in my CH flightstick pro, run lsusb -v (so the usb subsystem picks it up) and then run the exact same command for flightgear, I get a seg fault: /usr/bin/fgfs --fg-root=/usr/share/FlightGear --aircraft=c182 Segmentation fault Any Ideas? I think the previous version of the CH joystick configuration was broken. You might want tot try this one: html http://cvs.flightgear.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/data/Input/Joysticks/CH/pro-yoke-usb.xml?rev=1.15cvsroot=FlightGear-0.9content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup /html Erik Thanks Erik, the man to the rescue again, it was early in the morning and I couldn't remember who came up with the solution. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Joystick Error -Seg Fault
Mark Wells wrote: Flightgear runs great if I use the keyboard. If I plug in my CH flightstick pro, run lsusb -v (so the usb subsystem picks it up) and then run the exact same command for flightgear, I get a seg fault: /usr/bin/fgfs --fg-root=/usr/share/FlightGear --aircraft=c182 Segmentation fault Any Ideas? Slackware 9.1 with 2.6.7 kernel and Nvidia X drivers. Thank you! I had the same happen with the CH Pro yoke, someone sent me a copy of the .xml file from the cvs version and that cured it. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Permission problems?
I now get the splash screen and the music, then it crashes either with
--control=keyboard or --control=joystick. The joystick stuff in Default
and CH (my yoke and pedals) look OK, but I get in the strace with
--control=joystick
[pid 29795] open(/dev/input/js0, O_RDONLY) = 16
[pid 29797] ... select resumed ) = 1 (out [14], left {0, 795000})
[pid 29795] ioctl(16, JSIOCGAXES unfinished ...
[pid 29797] write(14, STUFF DELETED
[pid 29795] ... ioctl resumed , 0xbfffe46f) = 0
[pid 29797] ... write resumed ) = 1024
[pid 29795] ioctl(16, JSIOCGBUTTONS unfinished ...
[pid 29797] select(15, NULL, [14], NULL, {0, 80} unfinished ...
[pid 29795] ... ioctl resumed , 0xbfffe46f) = 0
[pid 29797] ... select resumed ) = 1 (out [14], left {0, 80})
[pid 29795] ioctl(16, 0x80806a13 unfinished ...
[pid 29797] write(14, STUFF DELETED
[pid 29795] ... ioctl resumed , 0xa9f2c84) = 36
[pid 29797] ... write resumed ) = 1024
[pid 29795] fcntl64(16, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK unfinished ...
[pid 29797] select(15, NULL, [14], NULL, {0, 80} unfinished ...
[pid 29795] ... fcntl64 resumed ) = 0
[pid 29797] ... select resumed ) = 1 (out [14], left {0, 80})
[pid 29795] ioctl(16, JSIOCGCORR unfinished ...
STUFF DELETED
[pid 29795] ... ioctl resumed , 0xbfffe470) = 0
[pid 29797] ... write resumed ) = 1024
[pid 29795] ioctl(16, JSIOCSCORR unfinished ...
[pid 29797] select(15, NULL, [14], NULL, {0, 80} unfinished ...
[pid 29795] ... ioctl resumed , 0xbfffe470) = 0
[pid 29795] brk(0xb04) = 0xb04
[pid 29795] --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[pid 29797] ... select resumed ) = 1 (out [14], left {0, 80})
STUFF DELETED
[pid 29796] ... futex resumed ) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call)
[pid 29797] +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
PANIC: handle_group_exit: 29797 leader 29795
[pid 29796] +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
PANIC: handle_group_exit: 29796 leader 29795
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
# jstest /dev/input/js0
It all seems OK.
# js_demo /dev/input/js0
Also OK.
# jscal /dev/input/js0
Joystick has 7 axes and 12 buttons.
Correction for axis 0 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 127, 127, 5534751, 5534751
Correction for axis 1 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 127, 127, 5534751, 5534751
Correction for axis 2 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 127, 127, 5534751, 5534751
Correction for axis 3 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 127, 127, 5534751, 5534751
Correction for axis 4 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 127, 127, 5534751, 5534751
Correction for axis 5 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 0, 0, 536870912, 536870912
Correction for axis 6 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 0, 0, 536870912, 536870912
# fgjs
Found 2 joystick(s)
Joystick 0 has 7 axes
Joystick 1 has 3 axes
Move the control you wish to use for elevator
Assigned axis 1 on joystick 0 to control elevator
Press any button for next control
After moving the elevator, I get no response from any of the
buttons/controls. If I use any other control first, other than the
elevator, no responses from anything. I discount the hardware as the
problem as jstest and js_demo work.
Regards
Sid.
Bohnert Paul wrote:
I had the same problem.
As a nonroot user fgfs would error;
Unable to open aircraft directory
Thanks for the strace hint.
I found in the Aircraft directory. The following
directories had the wrong permissions.
Spitfire
Spitfire/Sounds
Spitfire/Models
Group and user were not allowed to read.
Later,Paul
--- Sid Boyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeremy Johnson wrote:
SimGear-0.3.7
FlightGear-0.9.6
In linux as a normal user I get the following
error message
user:~$ fgfs --show-aircraft
Unable to open aircraft directory.
But as root:
root:~# fgfs --show-aircraft
Available aircraft:
737 Boeing 737
747 Boeing 747 (YASim)
747-100 Boeing 747-100
(JSBSim)
--cut--
All the files in /usr/shre/FlightGear seem to be
readable by all:
user:~$ ls -l /usr/share | grep FlightGear
drwxr-xr-x 29 root root 4096 Nov 7 23:53
FlightGear
user:~$ ls -l /usr/share/FlightGear | grep
Aircraft
drwxr-xr-x 44 root root 4096 Nov 7 23:24
Aircraft
Also I get the following segmentation faults with
various splash screen errors
user:~$ fgfs
Object PanelInstruments not found
Object ControlsGroup not found
Error in loading splash screen
texture /usr/share/FlightGear/Textures/Splash5.rgb
Segmentation fault
user:~$ fgfs
Object PanelInstruments not found
Object ControlsGroup not found
Error in loading splash screen
texture /usr/share/FlightGear/Textures/Splash2.rgb
Segmentation fault
user:~$ fgfs
Object PanelInstruments not found
Object ControlsGroup not found
Error in loading splash screen
texture /usr/share/FlightGear/Textures/Splash4.rgb
Segmentation fault
user:~$ fgfs
Object PanelInstruments not found
Object ControlsGroup
Re: [Flightgear-users] glut 3.7 still needed ?
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Sid Boyce wrote: FlightGear-0.9.6 won't build on SuSE 9.2, i had the same errors on 9.1. It's linking in libGLU.so.1 from xorg-x11-Mesa-6.8.1-15 (on 9.2) even with --enable-sdl. freeglut-2.2.0-82 is installed and glut-3.7 no longer is at the URL in the docs. Glut is still needed for some test programs. If you move to the src directory and and run 'make install' there, everything should work out fine. BTW. I found glut at this location now: http://reality.sgiweb.org/freeware/source/glut/ Or you could use Freeglut instead: http://freeglut.sourceforge.net/ For what it's worth, we can't drop glut support entirely. SDL does not play well with multiheaded systems ... i.e. if you go full screen with SDL on one of your displays, you other display is completely locked out. That's not good if you are trying to run something like an instructor/operator gui or moving map on the second monitor. I've had no problems building with freeglut on Fedora Core 2. Regards, Curt. OK, I removed /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.*, that seemed to get in the way, builds fine now. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] glut 3.7 still needed ?
FlightGear-0.9.6 won't build on SuSE 9.2, i had the same errors on 9.1. It's linking in libGLU.so.1 from xorg-x11-Mesa-6.8.1-15 (on 9.2) even with --enable-sdl. freeglut-2.2.0-82 is installed and glut-3.7 no longer is at the URL in the docs. I currently am using NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629. Help appreciated. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Impressive flying
Boris Koenig wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: We recall the famous Sioux City crash of a DC-10 (UAL Flight 232) in 1989 was flying that way and they barely made it to the runway, forget about go-arounds and safe landings. [...] Al Haynes' decision to use assymetric thrust to control the aircraft (= gimli glider) Ooops, sorry: that () was the wrong one in this context - the Gimli Glider was an another piece of impressive flying that ended in Canada on a military airfield and not in Sioux City - but their problem was also related to a loss of hydraulics, specifically because of a lack of FUEL (metric conversion problems ...) -- Boris I just happened to be sitting in a doctor's surgery one morning and picked up a copy of Readers Digest which had the Canadian 757 story, a nice calm day flying over a lake, the captain said I'm just going to sit here, relax and fish, then one engine shut down, he thought it was a failed fuel pump, then when the second engine stopped, he realised it was fuel starvation, nothing in the manual to say what the glide speed should be, nothing to tell them how to lower the nosewheel manually, panic as they realised they would hit the ground 10 nm short of Winipeg, with Winipeg saying they should fly the aircraft and they'd get them down safely and at their destination too high, doing slips to lose height, landing on the wrong (disused) runway just as the last of the picknickers realised the plane was going to land, they hurriedly shifted their jeep off the tarmac. With both fuel guages not working and the manual saying they should not fly with those conditions, they dipsticked the tanks and chose the wrong conversion, dividing by a fraction instead of multiplying. The steward nervously said he hoped they had enough fuel, but the refueller told him they had enough fuel to reach Vancouver and back. I have observed that professional pilots have the ability to compound one error on another and another and the cumulative result is a step to disaster. Preparing to do some night flying with the CFI at a Central Florida school, applying power caused a backfire, the CFI raced the engine, said it was just a bit of fouling on a plug and off we went to the check area, I increased power and it backfired again, we went back and got another plane. As an engineer, for me, that decision was a foregone conclusion at the first backfire. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] 0.9.6 build failure - SuSE 9.1
This is something new in 0.9.6 and causes an undefined reference of sgUseDisplayList. It's only defined as below:- src/Main/main.cxx:sgUseDisplayList = fgGetBool( /sim/rendering/use-display-list, true ); Something is missing, there is no /sim, I wonder what the fix is. Thanks and Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] 0.9.6 build failure - SuSE 9.1
Sid Boyce wrote: This is something new in 0.9.6 and causes an undefined reference of sgUseDisplayList. It's only defined as below:- src/Main/main.cxx:sgUseDisplayList = fgGetBool( /sim/rendering/use-display-list, true ); Something is missing, there is no /sim, I wonder what the fix is. Thanks and Regards Sid. I commented out the line and it's got past the error, the line seems meaningless (CVS latest), but now I seem to be back with the original error in 0.9.6. plib, SimGear etc. all the latest CVS versions. /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:1039: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_EPKS3_RKS6_+0x26):/usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:235: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgdebug.a(logstream.o)(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTV6logbuf+0x18):/ftp/oct04/SIMGEAR/cvs/source/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:176: undefined reference to `std::basic_streambufchar, std::char_traitschar ::seekoff(long, std::_Ios_Seekdir, std::_Ios_Openmode)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [metar] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear/src/Main' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: 0.9.6 build failure - SuSE 9.1
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Sid Boyce -- Saturday 23 October 2004 15:17: This is something new in 0.9.6 and causes an undefined reference of sgUseDisplayList. It's only defined as below:- src/Main/main.cxx:sgUseDisplayList = fgGetBool( /sim/rendering/use-display-list, true ); Something is missing, there is no /sim, I wonder what the fix is. That's not a Linux file system path, but an internal fgfs property path. You didn't update SimGear, right? It's defined there. You always have to update SimGear and the base package with FlightGear, sometimes even plib. m. ___ I updated openal, plib, simgear, the base package to start with, then I went back and updated everything I could using CVS. I commented out that line and it progressed to the error in my later post. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenAL devel ?
Stefan Lucian Palade wrote: No this is not the problem ! I've installed OpenAL from CVS just yesterday morning (17 Oct.) But where can I find OpenAL devel pakage ? Thanks to you all who answer my questions = Stefan Palade www.openal.org Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] FlightGear-0.9.6 build errors
Any ideas? /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:660: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_free_list' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13SGMetarRunwayESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_+0x8e):/usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:657: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_node_allocator_lock' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13SGMetarRunwayESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_+0x9d): In function `std::_Rb_treestd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar , std::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway, std::_Select1ststd::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway , std::lessstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar , std::allocatorstd::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway ::_M_create_node(std::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway const)': /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_iterator.h:735: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_node_allocator_lock' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_EPKS3_RKS6_+0x1c): In function `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar std::operator+char, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar (char const*, std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const)': /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:1039: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_EPKS3_RKS6_+0x26):/usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:235: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgdebug.a(logstream.o)(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTV6logbuf+0x18):/ftp/oct04/SimGear-0.3.7/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:176: undefined reference to `std::basic_streambufchar, std::char_traitschar ::seekoff(long, std::_Ios_Seekdir, std::_Ios_Openmode)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [metar] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear-0.9.6/src/Main' make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear-0.9.6/src' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 === ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-threads --with-simgear=/usr --with-plib=/usr --build=athlon --sysconfdir=/etc --mandir=/usr/share/man --includedir=/usr/include plib-1.8.4-1, SimGear-0.3.7 and latest openal. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Risks of flying
David Megginson wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:11:23 -0700, David Kehoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you, Chris. After listening to these guys, learning to fly does seem like a scary proposition. But as the others have suggested, a healthy amount of fear can be a good thing, and should keep us out of trouble. It does that at first, but after you've been flying for a while the fear starts to go away -- it's like when you hear horror stories about illegal drugs in grade school, then you go onto high school and see that many of your friends smoke pot and don't immediately run away from home, turn into thieves and prostitutes, and die. In the same way, a pilot will eventually pick up a bit of ice, fly too close to a thunderstorm, fly VFR into IMC, etc., and usually there's no harm done (at least not the first time, and often not for many times after that). That's when you have to take some active steps to learn how to manage risk, rather than just counting on your fear to tell you what's safe. Or, to take another angle, remember how safe a driver you were the first few weeks after getting your license, fresh out of driver's ed, before you decided that speed limits were purely discretionary and driving at night on an icy road wasn't that bad, and ... I just finished working through the King practical risk management course on the Windows box upstairs, and while no one is about to nominate John and Martha for any acting awards, I was very impressed with the material. It might be an even better idea to work through it before you start flight training: http://www.kingschools.com/PRM.asp All the best, David I always take the most cautious of decisions which doesn't mean you don't run into the unexpected occasionally, but as far as I can, I stick to Better to be down here, wishing you were up there, than to be up there, wishing you were down here. Last night I saw a documentary on lightning and thunderstorms, scary as always. A glider with a guy on a trial flight got split and a straight smooth control rod ended up like a badly bent worm gear; the instructor and the guy baled out and parachuted down with the instructor suffering a broken ankle and the student landing on a flat roof - the thunderstorm looked some way away and they were heading away from it ready to make an approach to land. May be they would have been OK if it wasn't a composite - that's why our school got rid of the Katanas and stick with solid metal C152's and a C172. Dumb and Dumber! - A guy (qualified PPL) flying our PA28-161 was landing away when he bounced, eyewitnesses said he pitched the nose down, bounced again, kept it held down and the nose wheel collapsed, propeller mangled into the bargain. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear news letter
Airborne or Cleared For Takeoff. Regards Sid. On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 05:34, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: How about Sky's the Limit or Roaring to the Future? Regards, Ampere On May 3, 2004 04:10 pm, Ernesto Hernandez-Novich wrote: On Sun, 2 May 2004, Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. I'm severely lacking inspiration of this calibre, so here's my offer: a bottle of one of the fine beers from my local brewery [1], lovingly packed and shipped to your location, for the best suggestion for the title of a FlightGear newsletter. Gear up! ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer Linux Only Shop. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] Diff for CH PRODUCTS Yoke and Pedals
I lost the one I had stored, don't know what caused my HD, motherboard, NVidia card (it won't work on the spare mobo) and USB hub to fail, seemingly all at once. Would appreciate if someone would mail me the diff and the joystick xml for those devices. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Linux Only Shop. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] NVIDIA driver for linux
I am still mystified about the NVidia/AMD problem if it is such. I have read and done everything mentioned on the SuSE site. On SuSE 8.1 with the SuSE kernels, including the recent SuSE internal 2.4.21, there are no problems. On the 2.4.20 kernel from ftp.kernel.org, I get everything up and working, but on every VT switch or shutdown, the machine imitates a clam requiring a hardware reset. If I get the time, I must look around and see what and where the differences are.I'm using the latest NVIDIA_*-1.0-4191.src.rpm. Regards Sid. On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:48, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Richard Keech writes: support for 3D capabilities of NVIDIA cards is not open source. you will need binary-only kernel modules (from nvidia) to make this work. many report good success with these drivers, however binary-only drivers should be strenuously avoided. The use of these drivers has been implicated in many stabiity problems with Linux. I would view the above quoted words as a political statement. :-) I would never discourage an open exchange of ideas here, but I disagree with much of the above. It is true that nvidia's linux driver support is not open source. But ATI's has also done their most recent driver release as binary only. This means if you want to run an ATI or nVidia card you are going to have to live with binary only drivers on your machine. If you choose anything else, you take a *big* step down in quality and/or performance. In terms of stability, the main problem I've seen is with older motherboards not doing reliable agp 4x or 2x or agp at all. There is also a hardware bug that went unfixed for a *long* time that causes agp memory corruption when you mix AMD CPU's with AGP (supposedly fixed in recent linux kernels and recent AMD cpu's.) There's an easy work around in linux if you find yourself with this problem. But all of these major stability issues were beyond the scope of the drivers. The AMD/AGP one was really tricky so as people were floundering around for a year or two trying to figure it out, a lot of theories were tossed about, and there was a lot of confusion and hair pulling. I'm sure the binary only nvidia drivers took their fair share of the blame. Yes, in a perfect world, all source would be open, we would all be working hard to make the world a better place, we'd all share the fruits of that hard labor freely and equally with those that are a little less fortunate, we'd all be dancing naked through the daisies with no worries and no fears. But that, unfortunately, is not the world we live in. People have to support their families and make money, and there are unfortunately too many people out there that don't want to work at all, but they still want to share the fruits of everyone else's labor, and live an easy life. The people at nVidia want to protect their efforts and continue to build and support their company and support their employees. We may not always agree with everything they do or the way they do it, but they certainly have every right to release binary only drivers if that's the way they want to play it. I personally don't have a problem with that. Personally, I think that if you want the best 3d performance and best 3d rendering quality on Linux, look at nvidia first (and I'm told that the latest ATI hardware and binary only drivers are pretty good too, but I haven't tried them myself.) Best regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users -- Sid Boyce ... hamradio G3VBV ... Cessna/Warrior Pilot Linux only shop ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] SuSE still not compiles, switching to Debian
Are you sure you have Simgear installed?
barrabas:/usr1/HAMRADIO/QEX # grep -r global_logstream /usr/include/*
grep: warning: /usr/include/gnome-xml/libxml: recursive directory loop
/usr/include/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:extern logstream
*global_logstream;
/usr/include/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx: if (global_logstream == NULL)
{
/usr/include/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:global_logstream = new
logstream (cerr);
/usr/include/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx: return *global_logstream;
Regards
Sid.
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 01:04, Roland Häder wrote:
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 01:41, Sid Boyce wrote:
I had no trouble compiling it all for SuSE 8.1 and with the patches
supplied, I have the CH control yoke and Rudder pedals working on
2.4.20.
I have SuSE 8.0 with online-updated rpms and some self-compiled apps and games.
gcc -v tells me: gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)
Well, FlightGear isn't the only-one program which makes trouble here. Also
Counter-Strike and not-useable framerates in Direct-3D games over WineX make trouble.
I got WineX (always latest CVS) compiled but e.g. Counter-Strike is terminating with
an error.
The current output of make all on FlightGears well configured source code tree
(./configure --with-network-olk --with-weathercm --with-threads
--with-jpeg-factory=yes) does end up at this last file: (maybe word-wrapped)
make[2]: Entering directory `/root/Test/Extract/FlightGear/src/Airports'
g++ -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o gensimple gensimple.o libAirports.a
-lsgdebug -lsgmisc -lsgxml -lmk4 -lz -ljpeg -lm
and produces these error messages:
gensimple.o: In function `logstream_base type_info function':
/usr/include/g++/stl_set.h:61: undefined reference to `global_logstream'
/usr/include/g++/stl_set.h:61: undefined reference to `global_logstream'
/usr/include/g++/stl_set.h:61: undefined reference to `global_logstream'
libAirports.a(simple.o): In function `gzifstream_base type_info function':
/usr/include/g++/stl_set.h(.text+0x3d): undefined reference to
`c4_Storage::c4_Storage(char const *, int)'
/usr/include/g++/stl_set.h(.text+0x99): undefined reference to `global_logstream'
/usr/include/g++/stl_set.h(.text+0x1ad): undefined reference to `global_logstream'
/usr/include/g++/stl_set.h(.text+0x1cc): undefined reference to `global_logstream'
libAirports.a(simple.o): In function `FGAirportsUtil::load(basic_stringchar,
string_char_traitschar, __default_alloc_templatetrue, 0 const )':
/usr/local/include/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:267: undefined reference to
`global_logstream'
/usr/local/include/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:279: undefined reference to
`global_logstream'
libAirports.a(simple.o):/usr/local/include/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:282: more
undefined references to `global_logstream' follow
libAirports.a(simple.o): In function `FGAirportsUtil::dump_mk4(basic_stringchar,
string_char_traitschar, __default_alloc_templatetrue, 0 const )':
/root/Test/Extract/FlightGear/src/Airports/simple.cxx:197: undefined reference to
`c4_Storage::c4_Storage(char const *, int)'
/root/Test/Extract/FlightGear/src/Airports/simple.cxx:228: undefined reference to
`c4_Storage::Commit(bool)'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [gensimple] Error 1
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
I have backtraced it and ends at the libstdc++ headers.
Do you have any idea? Or do you need more infos?
Regards,
Roland
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