Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On 5/7/2010 1:11 AM, Gour wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:22:14 -0400 > >>> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Cowgar wrote: >>> > Jeremy> People are going to be attracted to fossil as an all in one > Jeremy> package and if it can not provide the functionality needed in > Jeremy> the wiki, then people will say why use Fossil for SCM and then > Jeremy> have to interface in with another Wiki system? I now have to > Jeremy> piece together a system, thus, why not just piece together a > Jeremy> different SCM as well. > > The above point nicely expresses why I became interested to have more > usable (or Markdown) wiki. > > Seeing your Josl site, I'm curious if you're using Asciidoc since it's > obvious it does not use default wiki? > For the manual I am using Docbook. For the wiki, I am using Fossil, but it has HTML enabled and is only editable by me, thus, defunct as a wiki. I'm actually going to be removing it from the tab group and doing without a wiki for a while. I did have the wiki enabled for a while and some contributors just about fell over when they had to type in HTML and they simply didn't, so it is defunct anyway. I'm a strong supporter for any standard wiki format. Sure, not everyone is going to agree on the standard but that's a choice that has to be made. Not everyone agrees with what exists now. The point is, without a more usable wiki, it's not usable as a wiki to me. I gave up. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:22:14 -0400 >> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Cowgar wrote: Jeremy> People are going to be attracted to fossil as an all in one Jeremy> package and if it can not provide the functionality needed in Jeremy> the wiki, then people will say why use Fossil for SCM and then Jeremy> have to interface in with another Wiki system? I now have to Jeremy> piece together a system, thus, why not just piece together a Jeremy> different SCM as well. The above point nicely expresses why I became interested to have more usable (or Markdown) wiki. Seeing your Josl site, I'm curious if you're using Asciidoc since it's obvious it does not use default wiki? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: F96FF5F6 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
This is the best of both worlds, and an elegant solution to boot. Thanx! Paul Higham Tel +1 408 522 6225 phig...@sjm.com -Original Message- From: fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org [mailto:fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org] On Behalf Of D. Richard Hipp Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 03:43 To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page? On Mar 17, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: > Is there a way to delete a wiki page? Maybe by issuing SQL? > If you update to the latest experimental Fossil (specifically version http://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/info/012d5e4f23 or later) and do "fossil all rebuild" then if you change the content of a wiki page to be empty, that wiki page will not show up on the list of wiki pages (unless you select the "All" option, in which case the wiki page name will be within ..). Is that sufficient for "deleting" a wiki page? D. Richard Hipp d...@hwaci.com ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users This communication, including any attachments, may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from your system. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On 3/18/2010 6:42 AM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > If you update to the latest experimental Fossil (specifically version > http://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/info/012d5e4f23 >or later) and do "fossil all rebuild" then if you change the content > of a wiki page to be empty, that wiki page will not show up on the > list of wiki pages (unless you select the "All" option, in which case > the wiki page name will be within..). > > Is that sufficient for "deleting" a wiki page? > I believe that will work just fine. Thank you! I didn't mean it had to be an urgent task, just wanted to put it on the table as something needed, but thank you for making it! Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On Mar 17, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: > Is there a way to delete a wiki page? Maybe by issuing SQL? > If you update to the latest experimental Fossil (specifically version http://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/info/012d5e4f23 or later) and do "fossil all rebuild" then if you change the content of a wiki page to be empty, that wiki page will not show up on the list of wiki pages (unless you select the "All" option, in which case the wiki page name will be within ..). Is that sufficient for "deleting" a wiki page? D. Richard Hipp d...@hwaci.com ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Krum Pet wrote: >> Is there a way to delete a wiki page? Maybe by issuing SQL? > > If you simply want to hide the page so it is not listed using > /wcontent then perhaps you could edit the 'tag' table and change the > wiki-PageName tag to xwiki-PageName. > > I don't know what other side effects this may have so check thoroughly > before using ;) That will prevent the wiki page from appearing - until you run "rebuild". I'm thinking Jeremy is looking for a more permanent solution. > > I have found the Firefox sqlite extension an excellent tool for > screwing up sqlite databases. > > On 18/03/2010, D. Richard Hipp wrote: >> >>> >>> I agree with Jeremy that shunning is a pretty awkward way to clean >>> up >>> the 'desktop', but if that is the only way . . . >> >> >> I'm working on providing attachments right this moment. I have your >> request, though. I'll see what I can do >> >> D. Richard Hipp >> d...@hwaci.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> fossil-users mailing list >> fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org >> http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil- >> users >> > > > -- > -- > krumpet http://kp.hcoop.net > ___ > fossil-users mailing list > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users D. Richard Hipp d...@hwaci.com ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
> Is there a way to delete a wiki page? Maybe by issuing SQL? If you simply want to hide the page so it is not listed using /wcontent then perhaps you could edit the 'tag' table and change the wiki-PageName tag to xwiki-PageName. I don't know what other side effects this may have so check thoroughly before using ;) I have found the Firefox sqlite extension an excellent tool for screwing up sqlite databases. On 18/03/2010, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > >> >> I agree with Jeremy that shunning is a pretty awkward way to clean up >> the 'desktop', but if that is the only way . . . > > > I'm working on providing attachments right this moment. I have your > request, though. I'll see what I can do > > D. Richard Hipp > d...@hwaci.com > > > > ___ > fossil-users mailing list > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users > -- -- krumpet http://kp.hcoop.net ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
> > I agree with Jeremy that shunning is a pretty awkward way to clean up > the 'desktop', but if that is the only way . . . I'm working on providing attachments right this moment. I have your request, though. I'll see what I can do D. Richard Hipp d...@hwaci.com ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
As a wiki grows, policies for its organization are going to change as some are tried out and found wanting and others are improved and become law. The beauty of having both a wiki and embedded documentation is that the wiki can hold artifacts that are ill-formed in terms of concept and structure and are being put out there for others to review, get inspired by, correct, evolve, comment on, try to understand, clarify and yes - discard. The informality is its strength. Embedded documentation, on the other hand, should probably be committed after as much thought has gone into it as the code or analysis that it is documenting. The evolution history of embedded documentation is probably more instructive and should thus makes sense for it to be more visible in the project's design history. It is perhaps still useful for posterity to keep in the repository all informal things pertaining to a project also, even those things that fall into the category of what-was-I-thinking, because it is a fact that at one time you were actually thinking it. However, wouldn't it be nice to be able to archive all the scrumpled-up pieces of recycled paper and all those envelopes that have scribbles on the back rather than leaving them on the desktop - forever? One way of using the wiki, which I find quite effective, is to write thoughts on design problems as they come to mind in the hopes of organizing later. The wiki notes then become sources for more formal, design documentation. As retained content migrates to embedded documentation, I would at least like to move the obsolete text out of the way, if only because a wiki page may say one thing and the embedded documentation something entirely different. The way it is now my wiki is in danger of starting to look like my garage, with 10-year old National Geographic magazines growing mould . . . I agree with Jeremy that shunning is a pretty awkward way to clean up the 'desktop', but if that is the only way . . . Paul Higham Tel +1 408 522 6225 phig...@sjm.com -Original Message- From: fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org [mailto:fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Cowgar Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 17:22 To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page? On 3/17/2010 6:44 PM, Michael Barrow wrote: > There is no such thing as a non-active Wiki page per se. You could > remove links to said page if you want to keep it around and then edit > the page to say "Hey -- we're just keeping this for archival purposes. > Otherwise, 'shun' is the tool to use. I've done in on some of my > installations for pages that I really wanted to go away. If this is the case then I would say the Fossil wiki has to be changed to be a usable wiki. No one is going to create a perfect wiki structure the first time around and no one wants old pages listed in their "Index" page. All wiki's have a delete function and if Fossil wants to be considered seriously as a replacement for other project wiki's, it has to support delete and rename. People are going to be attracted to fossil as an all in one package and if it can not provide the functionality needed in the wiki, then people will say why use Fossil for SCM and then have to interface in with another Wiki system? I now have to piece together a system, thus, why not just piece together a different SCM as well. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users This communication, including any attachments, may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from your system. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On 3/17/2010 6:44 PM, Michael Barrow wrote: > There is no such thing as a non-active Wiki page per se. You could > remove links to said page if you want to keep it around and then edit > the page to say "Hey -- we're just keeping this for archival purposes. > Otherwise, 'shun' is the tool to use. I've done in on some of my > installations for pages that I really wanted to go away. If this is the case then I would say the Fossil wiki has to be changed to be a usable wiki. No one is going to create a perfect wiki structure the first time around and no one wants old pages listed in their "Index" page. All wiki's have a delete function and if Fossil wants to be considered seriously as a replacement for other project wiki's, it has to support delete and rename. People are going to be attracted to fossil as an all in one package and if it can not provide the functionality needed in the wiki, then people will say why use Fossil for SCM and then have to interface in with another Wiki system? I now have to piece together a system, thus, why not just piece together a different SCM as well. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
There is no such thing as a non-active Wiki page per se. You could remove links to said page if you want to keep it around and then edit the page to say "Hey -- we're just keeping this for archival purposes. Otherwise, 'shun' is the tool to use. I've done in on some of my installations for pages that I really wanted to go away. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: > On 3/17/2010 5:09 PM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > > You could shun all the wiki artifacts associated with that page. > > There is no other way at present. Because the design of Fossil is to > > save everything forever, it is not clear would could be down to > > "delete" a wiki page. > > > > There has to be a way as we can delete a file from the SCM. We can also > rename a file. I guess I am not talking about removing it entirly as if > it had never existed. I am simply talking about removing it so it's no > longer "active" and no longer appears in the /wcontent list. > > Jeremy > > ___ > fossil-users mailing list > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users > -- Michael Barrow michael at barrow dot me ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On 3/17/2010 5:09 PM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > You could shun all the wiki artifacts associated with that page. > There is no other way at present. Because the design of Fossil is to > save everything forever, it is not clear would could be down to > "delete" a wiki page. > There has to be a way as we can delete a file from the SCM. We can also rename a file. I guess I am not talking about removing it entirly as if it had never existed. I am simply talking about removing it so it's no longer "active" and no longer appears in the /wcontent list. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
On Mar 17, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: > Is there a way to delete a wiki page? Maybe by issuing SQL? You could shun all the wiki artifacts associated with that page. There is no other way at present. Because the design of Fossil is to save everything forever, it is not clear would could be down to "delete" a wiki page. > > Jeremy > > ___ > fossil-users mailing list > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users D. Richard Hipp d...@hwaci.com ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page?
I have been wondering that myself and I would also like to know if it is possible to rename a wiki page. Paul Higham Tel +1 408 522 6225 phig...@sjm.com -Original Message- From: fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org [mailto:fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Cowgar Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 14:03 To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Subject: [fossil-users] Deleting a wiki page? Is there a way to delete a wiki page? Maybe by issuing SQL? Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users This communication, including any attachments, may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from your system. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
