[Foundation-l] Invitations for Linkdin
Hello all, It came to my attention that people are using wikimedia mailing lists as there primary contact adres for Linkdin. I guess that this is not the way it should be done. Today I found: Felix Reolon using wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org as there primary e-mail. i don't know him, but I'm sure somebody knows is him? -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] mobile website
So lets say that Wikipedia doesn't have a active anti vandal crew today, but people can still edit within the English Wikipedia by mobile phone. So we will find in a year all kind of vandal edits done today? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] RESCHEDULED: Mailing lists server migration today
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo says the new version, so I guess so 2012/1/18 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I advise you delay it again - we need the mailing lists at the moment to coordinate the blackout. Mark's email is 5 days old, so I suppose this has already happened, hasn't it? Cheers, Delphine -- @notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] RESCHEDULED: Mailing lists server migration today
gmail is having troubles the last few weeks... I miss e-mails daily that arrive much later... On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: Just seen the datestamp... why did that email just come through now?! On 18 January 2012 13:42, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I advise you delay it again - we need the mailing lists at the moment to coordinate the blackout. On 13 January 2012 13:54, Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org wrote: (rescheduled after the cancelled maintenance of last Friday) Hi, Today I will be migrating the mailing lists from a very old server (lily) in Amsterdam, to a new server (sodium) in our new Ashburn data center. Mailman will be upgraded to version 2.1.13 along the way. During the migration, mail will be delayed as all data will need to be transferred to the new host. No mail should go lost, but no new mails will be sent out during the process until done, and the web interface will be unavailable. This shouldn't take about one hour, if all goes well. I will report here when things should be back up and running. Afterwards, please let us know of any new issues, in bugzilla or on IRC (#wikimedia-tech). We don't expect any problems, but as with any software upgrade or migration, this can't be guaranteed... Thanks, -- Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org Lead Operations Architect Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia
snip Therefore, each encyclopedia article and each course should explicitly grant irrevocable permission for anyone to make verbatim copies available on mirror sites. This permission should be one of the basic stated principles of the free encyclopedia. snip That is already done with our free licensing... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia
There is no content now, so there is no violation... You need to show the content before you can violate anything. I was responding on your part about giving the right to mirror, there is no need for that cuz its already there. We even provide dumps for mirrors so they can easy import a wikipedia version. Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Dumps mirroring (was: Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?)
I would be happy to mirror. I was looking and poking arround for that a year ago and the biggest problem for me is that its not clear how WikiMedia would like to be mirrored. We are currently a Centos and Ubuntu mirror on the machine. We have the space, thats not the problem. Best, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl 2011/9/21 Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/21 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Hi all; Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script to download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from Wikimedia Foundation. I started too an effort in meta: (with low activity) to mirror XML dumps.[2] If you know about universities or research groups which works with Wiki[pm]edia XML dumps, they would be a possible successful target to mirror them. If you want to download the texts into your PC, you only need 100GB free and to run this Python script.[3] I heard that Internet Archive saves XML dumps quarterly or so, but no official announcement. Also, I heard about Library of Congress wanting to mirror the dumps, but not news since a long time. L'Encyclopédie has an uptime[4] of 260 years[5] and growing. Will Wiki[pm]edia projects reach that? Regards, emijrp [1] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps [3] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A9die Hi emirjrp, I can understand why you would prefer to have full mirrors of the dumps, but let's face it, 10TB is not (yet) something that most companies/universities can easily spare. Also, most people only work on 1-5 versions of Wikipedia, the rest is just overhead to them. My suggestion would be to accept mirrors of a single language and have a smart interface at dumps.wikimedia.org that redirects requests to the location that is the best match for the user. This system is used by some Linux distributions (see download.opensuse.org for instance) with great success. Regards, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Perhaps a torrent setup would be successful in this case. -- Brian Mingus Graduate student Computational Cognitive Neuroscience Lab University of Colorado at Boulder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Transfer a domain to the foundation
Hello, I currently have the domain www.wikilovesmonuments.com in my possession. I'm am willing to transfer this domain to the foundation, but I don't really know who to contact, and IRC didn't help me. Can somebody point me to the right person or can the right person contact me on: h...@wickedway.nl -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Wikimedia used for SPAM
Hi! I''m getting this kind of e-mails since yesterday... Did they use the list of people on those lists to mail this? They use foundation-l, commons-l en wikitech-l best, Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org Date: 2011/8/25 Subject: Working Part Time We are recruiting! We offer part-time or full-time positions in EU. Currently our team of specialists is developing progressive and innovative method of cooperating with our client thus we are expanding our network of representatives all over Europe. We offer fully paid training sessions to guide you through your work, competitive salary, free work schedule and other benefits which will make your cooperating with us extremely pleasant. If you want to join our company, you should have a good command of English, and you must make sure you hold European residence and you possess a strong desire to work. Once you have decided to join us, please provide us your contact information and we will contact you shortly to schedule an interview. Our contact: nicko...@world-jobsearch.com Thank you for your interest! -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help openstreetmap to translate their license ...
Isn't it normal practice to place above the legal text a note like this is a translated text and it can be incorrect. Please see the language version for the offical version ? 2011/8/22 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com 2011/8/22 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Much of OpenStreetMap is localised at translatewiki.net ... A license can be translated as well. Given that OSM is already done at twn, it is just another addition. Yess.. but legal code should rather be translated by professional lawyer or at least revised and accepted. Otherwise the translated text is worth nothing from legal POV. -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum
At the time of the License Commitee with the vote we had te results also very fast... Dude... Its all possible when they check all the votes made on day 1 on day 2 etc etc... And the system is very simple to work with. Best, Huib 2011/8/21, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: So why announce ridiculously unrealistic timeframe between the vote concluding and the results being announced? First, I disagree that it's ridiculously unrealistic. Vote checking has already started and will continue throughout the polling. Second, hindsight is 20/20. I'll tell you that it's a balancing act... we've gotten it right a few times and we've gotten it wrong a few times. It's been years since this type of all-projects election was held for anything but a Board of Trustees election, and so, yeah, mistakes will be made. But let's just wait and see on the timeframe, shall we? No doubt an extension will have to happen, but what's the harm? If we take a couple extra days to announce the results, who has been harmed? ' Months, not extra days, dude. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: Image filter referendum
Hello, I just recieved this e-mail while I'm not enigble to vote and not able to remove myself from the list. I guess if I recieve it more people that aren't engible will recieve it. Best. Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: Wikimedia Referendum, 2011 impr...@wikimedia.org Date: 2011/8/19 Subject: Image filter referendum To: Abigor abi...@forgotten-beauty.com Dear Abigor, You are eligible to vote in the image filter referendum, a referendum to gather more input into the development and usage of an opt-in personal image hiding feature. This feature will allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own accounts. Its purpose is to enable readers to easily hide images on the Wikimedia projects that they do not wish to view, either when first viewing the image or ahead of time through individual preference settings. The feature is intended to benefit readers by offering them more choice, and to that end it will be made as user-friendly and simple as possible. We will also make it as easy as possible for editors to support. For its development, we have created a number of guiding principles, but trade-offs will need to be made throughout the development process. In order to aid the developers in making those trade-offs, we need your help us assess the importance of each by taking part in this referendum. For more information, please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/en. To remove yourself from future notifications, please add your user name at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter referendum
Yep, I just got a second for a very old account Beste SterkeBak, U bent stemgerechtigd in het referendum over de afbeeldingsfilter. In dit referendum wordt getracht meer input te krijgen voor de ontwikkeling en het gebruik van een optionele functie die gebruikers in staat stelt om bepaalde soorten afbeeldingen voor hun account te verbergen. Het doel hiervan is de lezers de gelegenheid te geven om bepaalde afbeeldingen op de Wikimediaprojecten, die zij niet willen zien, te verbergen. Dit kan bij de eerste keer dat de afbeelding bekeken wordt of voor de afbeelding getoond wordt, door middel van persoonlijke voorkeursinstellingen. De functie is bedoeld om lezers het voordeel van de keuze te laten. Daarom zal deze functie zo gebruiksvriendelijk en simpel als mogelijk gemaakt worden. We maken het ook het ondersteunen door redacteuren zo gemakkelijk mogelijk. Voor de ontwikkeling hebben wij een aantal principes, maar er zullen in de loop van het ontwikkelingsproces compromissen moeten worden gesloten. Om het ontwikkelen te vergemakkelijken vragen we uw hulp bij het beoordelen van elk principe naar belangrijkheid. Voor meer informatie, zie http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/nl. Om uzelf van deze lijst uit te schrijven en zo geen toekomstige meldingen te ontvangen kan u uw gebruikersnaam toevoegen op http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list. And my bot recieved one... Something is going wrong there... Best, Huib 2011/8/19 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com Hello, I just recieved this e-mail while I'm not enigble to vote and not able to remove myself from the list. I guess if I recieve it more people that aren't engible will recieve it. Best. Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: Wikimedia Referendum, 2011 impr...@wikimedia.org Date: 2011/8/19 Subject: Image filter referendum To: Abigor abi...@forgotten-beauty.com Dear Abigor, You are eligible to vote in the image filter referendum, a referendum to gather more input into the development and usage of an opt-in personal image hiding feature. This feature will allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own accounts. Its purpose is to enable readers to easily hide images on the Wikimedia projects that they do not wish to view, either when first viewing the image or ahead of time through individual preference settings. The feature is intended to benefit readers by offering them more choice, and to that end it will be made as user-friendly and simple as possible. We will also make it as easy as possible for editors to support. For its development, we have created a number of guiding principles, but trade-offs will need to be made throughout the development process. In order to aid the developers in making those trade-offs, we need your help us assess the importance of each by taking part in this referendum. For more information, please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/en. To remove yourself from future notifications, please add your user name at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Referendum 2011 mailout — issues
Hi, Maybe we shouldn't e-mail every user every time there is a vote. There has never been a run that didn't cause any problems and like Andrew was saying elsewhere they know the system doesn't check for global blocks and multible blocks. So there will be a lot of false positives. And a lot of people will get spam because they did create a account and did some edits... People that think Wikimedia is sending spam will leave instead of vote. There is already a global site notice. This e-mails was't needed... 2011/8/19, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org: Hi all, I've just started sending out over 750,000 emails to folks who are eligible to vote in our Wikimedia Referendum. I've learned from past mailouts in trying to exclude more bots, multiple accounts and folks who've already voted. However, if you receive an email which doesn't apply to you (for example, if you're not eligible to vote, or you've requested to be excluded from such mailouts), or if there's a problem with the email that you receive (for example, it's in the wrong language), I've set up a page [1] where you can report it. Remember that you can always opt out from all future mailings [2]. I'm hoping that having a central page for this information will help in investigating the issues associated with errant mail, and allow future mail to be better targetted. Thanks a lot for your help, —Andrew [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Email/False_positives [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Vladimir V. Medeyko WANTED
What is there to know? 2011/8/11 Gora Kazanskaya kaz.g...@yandex.ru Anybody knows something about the user Drbug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) after the Wikimania 2011? Kazanskaya Gora. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
SPQRobin is already working on a extension that will point xxx.wikipedia.org to the right place on Incubator. The first version is already deployed and he showed me the new version on WikiMania. I'm not sure how long it will take, when wmf staff will help him out it will take less time. But a beter version is being worked on. 2011/8/8, Thomas Goldammer tho...@googlemail.com: Maybe a new system of incubation would be helpful. For example, one could start the requested wikis on their future domain (xxx.wikipedia.org / xxx.wiktionary.org etc.pp.) right from the request, with at least two voluntary experienced supervisors on each (one can supervise more than one of these of course) who get sysop and crat rights and stay there as long as it takes to get the approval of LangCom for an independent wiki (that is, after translating the most important parts of the MW software and that stuff). With email notification, the community of the test project can easily reach the supervisors and they of course should be in the wiki on a daily basis to look that everything is ok there. In the best case, they could try to attract more native speakers of the language to work there. Then a closing request for a wiki that became inactive would just be a request for supervision of that wiki. That means, the wiki stays where it is, but gets two supervisors who take on the administrative tasks and start some promotion maybe. Well, it's just an idea. BR Th. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
I'm not sure about interwiki's if the project xxx.wikipedia.org/wiki/article will point to incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/wp/xxx/article I guess it would be possible to use the [[:xxx:]] interwiki? Cuz it wouldn't directly point the incubator. So I guess it would be possible... But some changes need to be done in the interwiki.py maybe? It doesn't sounds really impossible to me... 2011/8/8 Thomas Goldammer tho...@googlemail.com Well, that idea also came to my mind (I didn't know that someone is already working on it), but then interwikis wouldn't be possible, would they? I think interwiki links are not unimportant to get native or fluent speakers of a language to a wiki who are currently working on other wikis. If they are working on enwiki already, for example, and discover that there is an article about their topics in their own language (or a language they are fluent in), they might go there and maybe improve the article and stay for more work. (I mean I did react like this when I discovered some articles about my topics on enwiki, maybe others wouldn't... ^^) But for starters, the redirect thing will work, too. One had to make sure that these wikis are properly listed and linked to in as many places as possible so that the wiki-finding problems M. Williamson has pointed out are solved. BR Th. 2011/8/8 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com: SPQRobin is already working on a extension that will point xxx.wikipedia.org to the right place on Incubator. The first version is already deployed and he showed me the new version on WikiMania. I'm not sure how long it will take, when wmf staff will help him out it will take less time. But a beter version is being worked on. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
There is a complete list here: http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis I guess it would be easy to add a status to it... And link the meta pages back to the list. 2011/8/8 Thomas Goldammer tho...@googlemail.com There should be a general overview page where all projects are listed with a very short description in the respective languages and a status (open, under supervision, closed, in preparation or what else you get), could be hosted on Meta. And this Wikimedia projects summary or such can be prominently linked from the main pages, like there are Wikipedias in xxx languages, find out more HERE or something accordingly in the other projects. BR Th. 2011/8/8 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com: This is an improvement in many ways, but how does it help the average user? How are people supposed to know that XYZ code points to XYZ language? Right now we don't have any high-traffic pages pointing to incubator; it seems less likely that say, en.wp main page will link to every single test wiki. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Abigor Account
Hello, On WikiMania it was brought to my attention by a user that there is a account Abigor langcom. He asked me why I created that account... Since editting meta is blocked for me, I would like to state here after asking to a trusted user how I should react that this account is not created by me. And I would like to see it blocked (if not already done so) and a checkuser preformed so we can see who created it. Thank you, -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian
to gagging people, it just gives more credit to the people being gagged and makes people wonder if there is any merit in what they say. This brings up my favorite subject of unneeded deletions versions needed ones. Of course there is material that should be deleted that is hateful, Spam etc, lets call that evil content. But the articles that i wrote and my friends wrote that were deleted did not fall into that category, they might have been just bad or not notable. We have had a constant struggle to keep our articles from being deleted in a manner that we consider unfair. Additionally, the bad content is lost and falls into the same category as evil content. Also there should be more transparency on deleted material on the Wikipedia itself, there is a lot of information that is being deleted and gone forever without proper process or review. In my eyes there is a connection between the two topics, the banning of people and the deleting of information. Both are depriving people from information that they want and need in an unfair manner. Instead of articles about obscure events, things, and old places in Kosovo you have a wikipedia full of the latest information about every television show, is that what you really want? I think there should be room for things in places that are not not notable because they are not part of mainstream pop culture, we also need to support the underdogs of Wikipedia even if they are not mainstream, Mr Kohs definitely has something to say and I would like like to hear it. And the Kosovars have something to say even if the Serbs don't want to hear it. The Albanians have something to say even if the Greeks don't want to hear it, etc. There are many cases of people from Kosovo and Albania driven out of Wikipedia and depriving the project of important information because they are not able to get started and the contributions are so far way from the dominating political viewpoint of the opposite side that they don't even get a chance to be heard. We need to make a way for these people to be heard and to moderate the conflicts better, that will make Wikipedia stronger and more robust. thanks, mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Going to far
Did you even read the E-mail? How should the Ombudsman commission handle this case, it are administrators copying personal information into Wikimedia Wiki's... 2011/7/18 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Huib Laurens wrote: I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and tried but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting it go but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion on this list can make something happen. I can't imagine you regret sending this e-mail as much as I regret trying to parse it. From what I can tell, this list isn't the appropriate forum. Whatever your issue is, it's buried beneath a wall of text and what appears to be years of antics on your part. If you have reason to believe that the Wikimedia privacy policy has been violated, you should contact the Ombudsman commission: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission. If you would like to have certain information removed from a particular Wikimedia wiki, you can try contacting the wiki's oversighters or Arbitration Committee. If you've ruined or soured those relationships to the point that those individuals are unwilling to respond, then that's a bed of your own making and you'll simply have to live with the consequences of your actions. You're also free to contact individual members of Wikimedia Foundation staff or OTRS, but there doesn't appear to be much (if anything) that needs to be discussed that relates to the purpose or mission of this mailing list. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Going to far
Hello, I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and tried but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting it go but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion on this list can make something happen. First a starter, I'm not going to spin around it... I'm currently blocked on Commons, nl.wiki en Meta for privacy violation and using multible accounts. But now here it comes, when I want to talk about the privacy about the people around me no body is responding. If I messed up, and that still a big maybe I'm happy to go down and get a bad reputation into Google and all the other search engines but people around me should be safe. Currently there are lots of pointers to my girlfriend on NL.Wiki, Meta and Commons. While the article and the picture was hers she had nothing to do with the complete case some people made here. As you will understand I will not call her by her name since otherwise we have yet another place where her name is listed and indexed into Google. It all started on the Dutch Wikipedia after somebody created a article about the Dutch writer and somebody did a CheckUser and came to the conclusion that Delay and me had a common source. After that a Dutch Administrator Freaky Fries came with the news that I had a relationship with this person and that we would live on the same adres (here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verzoekpagina_voor_moderatoren/Sokpoppen/2011#Delay) While the CheckUser confirmed that the IP from the home adres is no link to the Delay account and there is no proof or relavancy what so ever it still stating on Wikipedia that we are living together. After that a OTRS agent with the name RonaldB posted a ticketnumber that can confirm that I and her have a relationship. On the Request for Deletion page on Nl.wikipedia is again a link posted to my private twitter to state that I have a relationship with her. ( http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Te_verwijderen_pagina%27s/Toegevoegd_20110601) After that this whole discussion is moved by a dutch administrator to Commons where even Yesterday and today there is a whole discussion again with her name involved on multible pages ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Request_by_Abigor; http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Request_by_Abigor) Where most recenty a dutch administrator Trijnstel is saying that I and the girl have split up (without any source and without any relevance). On my talkpage on Commons is again brought to the attention. Between this we also have a big Meta discussion http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Abigor where on the page and talkpage the relevance to a possible girlfriend is being made. Now I'm sure that this did break my complete reputation on Wikimedia, while I tried to defend myself and asking for information that the foundation can and have to give I still didn't recieve anything. Also a request for removal of all the names have been made by the ArbCom and nothing was heard But tell me do we want to foundation the damage a reputation of people who doesn't even edit Wikipedia but are taking on to Wikipedia to break a user? I don't care what is happening to me, but somebody please step in and start removing all those privacy violations on all those wiki's. This is going to damage her, and than the Foundation will need to take the heat? Is that what we want? Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome to new wikis
I have the import for Xmf wikipedia Ready, that one could be online within a hour. :-) 2011/7/12 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com We've got four new wikis: two for content and two for chapters: * Mingrelian Wikipedia: http://xmf.wikipedia.org * Argentinian Wikiveristy: http://ar.wikiversity.org * Arabic chapter: http://ar.wikimedia.org/ * Mexican chapter: http://mx.wikimedia.org/ For the content projects import is on the way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome to new wikis
Forget my e-mail. Stewards are not willing to grant me the needed rights to import, please contact me if somebody wants to import it. All the files are ready here. 2011/7/12 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:39, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Rather perhaps you mean: Argentinians got chapter and Arabic got Wikiversity? Since the Wikiversity site seems to be in Arabic, which would be a bit odd if it was for Argentines. Are you sure? There are many Argentinian languages and it would be fair that they have at least one Wikiveristy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Actions
You got mail. Could you confirm? 2011/7/11 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org Dan, Legal-en goes to the legal queue. Legal@ goes to the legal department. pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 2106 (reader relations) phili...@wikimedia.org On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/11/11, Jon Davis w...@konsoletek.com wrote: Why don't you try emailing le...@wikimedia.org ? If it is legal related they would seem to be a good start. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:37, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Where can you request the Wikimedia Office to step in and remove a part of a article? I can't speak in more details, but in a series of wikipedia pages on 4 projects there is content that could harm the wikimedia foundation in a legal way. I tried to get it done with the local admins but they refuse, what will be the next step to get a opinion for a office action? -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon [[User:ShakataGaNai]] / KJ6FNQ http://snowulf.com/ http://ipv6wiki.net/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Legal@ goes to OTRS legal queue (it used to be a bad email alias, I think that's been fixed now and it properly goes to the legal queue), which has no authority for handling office actions. Realistically the fastest way to get an office action resolved is to email Philippe, and if there is an immediate and urgent (and unquestionable need) for some sort of deletion, contact an admin/steward/oversighter as exists on your particular wiki. -- Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
Hello, Is mentioned in a offiical policy on the Dutch Wikipedia here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sokpopmisbruik 2011/7/10, Benjamin Chen cnchenmi...@gmail.com: Gerard Meijssen, 09/07/2011 10:06: If you do not trust the person involved, you are crazy to send him a copy of your passport. This is a common sense. This policy as it obviously works.. what is really your issue ? Do we really need a theoretical approach that only can bring us less functionality ? I do not think so. Like what David pointed out, it may be more of a problem when it is not clearly stated that the person receiving the letter is not a WMF staff or officially authorised personnel. People *may *think that they are dealing with official personnel but when they find out that they aren't, it may cause dispute. But anyway there isn't much information in this thread to tell. Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
Are you calling me a troll now? 2011/7/10 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 23:10, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking more of whether or not it is retained, and precisely how it is retained. Is it kept in a locked box somewhere? Sitting on someone's desk? Accessible to other individuals? Which is clearly the good way to ask the questions. It's how the process works, why this way, how is it effective? How the data handled, secured, used and destroyed? And what are the experiences, how effective it was, what problems it caused (apart from trolls coming to and fro complaining)? I do not know, I ain't no dutch, and haven't been banned so far. ;-) I'm an outsider. g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
Hello, I want to know if there is a privacy concern on the Dutch Wikipedia. The short story: When you got blocked on the Dutch Wikipedia for socking you can remove the block by sending a copy of your passport to a user thats trusted by the community. After he checks your passport or all the passports involved if you have a shared connection the block will be removed. The user where you have to send it to isn't indentified by the foundation and you have to send it by snailmail not to OTRS. The foundations privacy policies does that allow this to happen? -- Kind regards, Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] BDS (hopefully) FUD?
When you use Wikimania and Isreal or Wiki(M/P)edia with the word Isreal there will be 3 bots telling you not to go :-( 2011/6/28, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl: At least 1 BDS Activist has been running around on twitter telling people not to go to wikimania. http://twitter.com/_C Our article on BDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions BDS view and action on wikimania: http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/economy-of-the-occupation/3439-bds-action-tell-wikimedia-not-to-hold-2011-annual-conference-in-israel- In particular, they state: On the information page for the upcoming conference, the organizers also say, “Haifa is also easily accessible to the Palestinian community, which is often left out of conferences such as Wikimania due to special difficulties. This community has a high rate of Internet usage but little first-hand acquaintance with Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects.” The statement, however, is not true. Participation for individuals from Gaza and the West Bank is impossible, unless they receive special permits from the Israeli military to enter Israel in order to attend. To be able to actively counter this claim, can we confirm that all palestinian wikimedians who want to come are indeed coming? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
*facepalm* 2011/6/24, James Heilman via LinkedIn mem...@linkedin.com: LinkedIn James Heilman requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Srikant, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - James Accept invitation from James Heilman http://www.linkedin.com/e/-t9tct-gpanplzs-19/kEGYngBeZsro1F93qKeRGrJetgIrKFfJd2o_ToVctvnatuZm/blk/I52787614_75/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_djtvd34SdPwTczl9bPl1kldqgCdAbP8SdPcMdzcOcPcLrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/ View invitation from James Heilman http://www.linkedin.com/e/-t9tct-gpanplzs-19/kEGYngBeZsro1F93qKeRGrJetgIrKFfJd2o_ToVctvnatuZm/blk/I52787614_75/0RdRYQcjoTe3sOdkALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ -- DID YOU KNOW you can conduct a more credible and powerful reference check using LinkedIn? Enter the company name and years of employment or the prospective employee to find their colleagues that are also in your network. This provides you with a more balanced set of feedback to evaluate that new hire. http://www.linkedin.com/e/-t9tct-gpanplzs-19/rsr/inv-27/ -- (c) 2011, LinkedIn Corporation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories
This should be on wikien-l instead of foundation-l I guess, 2011/6/21, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com: Hi I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/ should go on the discuss pages, but category discuss pages don't attract much attention. If you consult Categories: Sailors/ Navigators/ Explorers, you will see that quite a number of people are listed in these arguably (or not) overlapping categories for the same activity/ feat/ achievement. To put it into perspective, it makes sense to list a person in the categories of [[poet]], [[playwright]], etc, but in each of these categories such people would be different 'personae', with different works that make them merit being classified a poet or a playwright. On the other hand, to list - for example - Henry the Navigator/ Captain Cook as [[sailor]], [[navigator]], [[explorer]] looks odd as the activity undertaken to merit being given that title is only one. This is like calling a farmer a tiller/ sower/ weeder/ harvester/ etc. Generally, there is a problem with Categories, as many were created without any regard to hierarchy - we have examples of names that appear under British explorers or 15th century explorers, but then they are not listed under explorers. Any ideas? Best regards, Rui -- _ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant ___ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Hello, Almost a week later there has been no responds bij the Foundation nor a responds from the OTRS admins to this mailing nor in private. At this moment I'm starting to believe the Foundation and the OTRS admin's doens't care at all about this. Are we really going to accept this kind of behavior from the people that communicate for Wikimedia to people and companies mailing to Wikimedia? Best, Huib Laurens ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Yes I did. There has been no responds from them so far. 2011/6/7, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: On 7 June 2011 11:17, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Almost a week later there has been no responds bij the Foundation nor a responds from the OTRS admins to this mailing nor in private. At this moment I'm starting to believe the Foundation and the OTRS admin's doens't care at all about this. Are we really going to accept this kind of behavior from the people that communicate for Wikimedia to people and companies mailing to Wikimedia? Have you contacted the Ombudsman committee as I suggested? It's their job to handle complaints about possible breaches of the privacy policy. It's rare to get a satisfactory response to complaints on this mailing list. It's not really what it's here for. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Hi, I don't get it, why isn't it a problem when we start posting OTRS tickets to pastebin. The article was already deleted for more that 24 so there was no need to give the information to SilverSpoon. SilverSpoon wasn't active with the article so there was no need to share the information with him. The OTRS agent told SilverSpoon that I (Huib) sended the e-mail, the e-mail is send from my business account and the OTRS agent linked a business e-mail to my private name, we didn't give any permission to link it to my account nor I give any permission to tell people I sended that e-mail. If I would liked to let everybody know that I sended it I would have signed it myself. So if I understand correctly, its no problem that a OTRS agent posts a e-mail to PASTEBIN and give private personal information about who sended the ticket to non-involved users. And after that discuss the ticket including the pastebin link in a public channel. After that we got a respond from OTRS to our ticket saying that the file is deleted and placing there my personal name and making a attack towards my client. Please tell me how this is not a problem, I believe my privacy is damaged, my client thinks her privacy is dameged because of the accusation made by the OTRS agent that she give me a task to promote her and that we are more that just friends. Please explain why Wikimedia Privacy Policy accept this? And is the foundation taking steps towards the involved OTRS agents? One thing is sure, I work with lot of writers and we will not ever give permission to Wikimedia to use any of our content anymore. Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] OTRS
Hello, I'm wondering, is there a policy for OTRS agents saying that they can't make info send to OTRS public? -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Okay, Than we have a problem here, User Silverspoon publiced a e-mail I send to OTRS in a channel. This e-mail (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/SS%20temp.jpg) is a e-mail I sended to OTRS to release content. This e-mail was paste on pastebin to discuss in a public IRC channel ( http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp2.jpg), Silverspoon told me he had the information from user:FreakyFries. I tried to make a complaint by Guillom, the OTRS admin and he says he doesn't give a fuck. (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp3.jpg) At this moment I believe my privacy has been abbused by linking me to a website in a private channel, I would like to see what the foundation thinks about this since the person in charge thinks its perfectly normal to publish private e-mails. Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
A screenshot SilverSpoon placed online about this: http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/3260/10minutes.png ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
I'm complaining here because the OTRS Admin doesn't give a fuck. So there is a option to leave it and let it go, or come to here,. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Hello, Its a fact that this is the second time this happens, when you take it up to the admins nothing will happen. Because I think this is not something that should go away I take my loss and make this a public descussion. Otherwhise nothing will happen again. Its also a fact freakyfries a user with OTRS access says he told SilverSpoon about it, and I guess that there is a log with everybody that read the ticket. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Thomas, Who is the right person because it is a fact that a problem should be told to the OTRS admins, after I did that he told me that it was my own problem. So if there is somebody I should bring it up to now I would like to know. This doesn't change the fact that I believe that SilverSpoon and the user giving him the OTRS information damaged the privacy for both me and my client, when we try to make all website content aivable under a free license we should be able to trust the Foundation and his volunteers. This trust is broken, There was no reason what so ever that SilverSpoon needed to know what was in the ticket. I would like to know, will the foundation takes this serieus? Cuz this is the second time for me, how many e-mails have been publiced also? Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] About Wikiepdia.org
Hi! I kind of fail to see the Wikipedia or Wikimedia logos? Best, huib 2011/6/1 HW waihor...@yahoo.com.hk Dear all, Now, some user report that the website wikiepdia.org is copying the Wikipedia logo without Wikimedia Foundation permission. And, it will make user misunderstand it is the real Wikipedia. Same case happen in wikiedia.org , and the website all is redirect to http://www.inforewardsurvey.com/ . Should the Wikimedia Foundation take action? See http://zhwp.org/WP:COMPLAINT HW from zh wiki ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]
But we are still going offtopic. I guess we should take the offer for enwp.org how to go forward is later business right? Huib 2011/5/9 Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:58 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: http://commons.org/ would be nice. have we tried approaching them? -- John Vandenberg Who, exactly, is in charge of domain registration at the WMF? I believe it's Rob Halsell. I forwarded Thomas's original e-mail to him yesterday to see if he could do anything to help; we'll see what he says. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Peering
Hello, The foundationsite says in the article peering that the foundation is looking for free rack-space / routers. What kind of facilities do they want? Is there a more detailed pages with the wishes en needs for the foundation, or can that be geven here on the list? Best, Huib -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation
Lo sentimos, pero el Inglés es el idioma principal en esta lista. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Steward election issues
Lo sentimos, pero el Inglés es el idioma principal en esta lista. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list
2011/3/8 Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org \ What Thomas says may seem like a joke, but it's actually something that's happened on this list in the past. :-) I remember a thread where I was talking with someone in English while they responded in German. We used Google Translate to figure out what each other was saying and then we responded in our own language. I remember a French case also :-) -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser
I still think it was a bad thing that the fundraiser crew decided to use Sue Gardner director of Wikipedia in the banners because it raised more money... A very bad thing because everybody knows here that she isn't the director for Wikipedia. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Licenses' biodiversity : my big disagreement with the Wikimedia usability initiative's software specifications
I'm starting to think you just don't like changes... every change that is done will result in a email from you ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] VPAT
Section 508, an amendment to the United States Workforce Rehabilitation Act of 1973, is a federal law mandating that all electronic and information technology developed, procured, maintained, or used by the federal government be accessible to people with disabilities. Technology is deemed to be accessible if it can be used as effectively by people with disabilities as by those without. To demonstate that a product or Web service is in compliance with Section 508, the creator completes a Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT), an informational tool that describes exactly how the product or service does or does not meet Section 508 standards. The completed VPAT gets posted on the creator's Web site to provide government officials and consumers with access to the information. The scope of Section 508 is limited to the federal sector. It includes binding, enforceable standards, as well as compliance reporting requirements and a complaint procedure. Section 508 doesn't apply to the private sector, nor does it impose requirements on the recipients of federal funding. Because the federal government has so much purchasing power, however, it is hoped that Section 508 will encourage the developement of products and Web-based services that meet accessibility standards. To that end, the United Stated Department of Education now requires states funded by the Assistive Technology Act State Grant program (a grant program that supports consumer-driven state projects to improve access to assistive technologyhttp://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,289893,sid9_gci914775,00.htmldevices and services) to comply with Section 508. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?
Hello, When we close our site in support.. Than we don't support free information for everyone.. Than we close the information down... Best, Huib 2011/1/28 Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr hashar%2b...@free.fr Hello, Tonight, Egypt has ordered all operators to shut down their BGP adjacencies with out of countries providers. This mean Egypt is disconnected from the rest of the internet. I am wondering, should we just close our site in support? That would surely have a huge impact and show how much we care about free information for everyone. -- Ashar Voultoiz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for assistance
Thnks for posting that Peter is running for admin... Will support right away. Huib 2011/1/5 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Virgilio: Many thanks for the information. I have, after reviewing the evidence you presented, casted my vote in support of Peter Symonds' adminship on Meta. Muito obrigado pela informação. Depois de avaliar a evidência apresentada, votei a favor da proposta da concessão de poderes administrativos a Peter Symonds em Meta. -m. 2011/1/5 Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt: To all women and men of good faith who are members of this mailing list, please check the following pages: 1) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds 2) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta_talk:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds 3) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request 4) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block 5) http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Logpage=User%3AVapmachadotype=block 6) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado and any further information on the user page: 7) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado Please let me know: a) why my request for unblock was never answered, b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of harassment, c) if after Dec. 23, he's just returned to do the same thing that lead him to be blocked in the first instance., d) where are the occurrences of continued hostile behavior, e) towards what or whom is that continued hostile behavior, f) why my interesting history of cross-wiki pioneering achievements is never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making. The accusations of meatpuppetry and privacy violations based on highly controverted and irregular cases, may still turn out to be defamatory, and it is not very wise to use them to attack the reputation, honor and good name of this user. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising banners
To bad this fundraiser used lies, and other things the community didn't want... Sue exicutive director wikipedia as example 2011/1/1, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org: +1 with a :) and a cherry on top. On 12/31/2010 8:34 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: Hi everyone, We wanted you to hear first: in about three hours, we're switching the messaging on the banners to Thank you! It's time to thank the world, because the world came together to help support the Wikimedia projects. We're delighted to report that nearly half a million donations came in. It's a resounding vote of confidence in what you've done with the projects. So take a moment to stop, to celebrate, and to enjoy the accomplishment... and then it's time to focus on the tenth anniversary year! You may notice that the fundraising statistics page doesn't quite say $16M. Since you might be asked about that, here's the math we used to arrive at the end of the fundraiser: In addition to the amount posted on the graph (roughly $13.5M), we have about $1.5 million in revenue received during testing or received but not yet posted (manual check entry, etc). We've been counting on $500,000 from the chapters in our thermometer formula but given the extraordinary chapter fundraising success this year, we're confident that we'll be over the $16M mark. (We're also including an adjusted value for the recurring gifts that we've received this year.) We're delighted to be able to start 2011 with our community giving goal already met. We did this in a collaborative fashion: testing nearly 200 banner ideas submitted by the community, using translations, with community involvement in the testing, and in the next phase of the campaign - encouraging people to edit. We'll be running Thank you banners for the next few days to tell the world how much this editing community appreciates their financial support, and then will convert to banners inviting people to get involved in tenth anniversary celebrations around the world, and to make their first edit (the contribution phase of the campaign). Now let's go celebrate! Zack Exley Philippe Beaudette Megan Hernandez ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Keegan Peterzell Associate Community Officer, Fundraising 2010 Wikimedia Foundation kpeterz...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fw： About WM private policy
Thats the discission for the community not the foundation. 2010/12/24 HW waihor...@yahoo.com.hk *re-sent due some problem on foundation-l* A recent discussion on zh Wikipedia is talking about the WMF private policy which is on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy . Some IP user says that in the sentence The Foundation does not require editors to register with a project. Anyone can edit without logging in with a username, in which case they will be identified by network IP address. , createpage is a edit, so the wiki should not disable IP's createpage and allowed only user to createpage. The question is: IS CREATEPAGE MUST NOT BE DISABLE TO IP USER? Please WMF staff answer this question and it is related to a recent discussion on http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88#.E6.8F.90.E8.AB.8B.E7.84.A1.E6.A2.9D.E4.BB.B6.E5.BB.A2.E9.99.A4.E6.9C.89.E9.97.9C.E9.96.8B.E6.94.BEIP.E5.89.B5.E5.BB.BA.E6.A2.9D.E7.9B.AE.E6.AC.8A.E9.99.90.E7.9A.84.E6.8A.95.E7.A5.A8 Thanks. HW - user of zhwiki. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?
Hi, I would say when you aren't sure or you think you are sure but don't have a source just don't answer? Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?
Why are you saying the staff answer is wrong? If staff says use le...@wikimedia.org why are you changing it? Best, Huib 2010/12/18 Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com Correction. I've just seen Jon's email about having fixed le...@. However, it is still preferable to send legal email to legal...@wikimedia.org for a faster resolution and for ease on our end. Nobody has made the OTRS team (especially the legal team) aware of any policy changes on that end, so if something major has changed without telling us, someone's got some explaining to do. -Dan On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Dan Rosenthal, 17/12/2010 01:01: If you have a legal question, best to send it to legal...@wikimedia.org. It will be routed much faster and is much preferable. Please stop it: this is incorrect and perhaps you should at least double check if someone says it's incorrect, especially after a WMF staffer like Jon has confirmed so. «00:18 +sgardner If anyone (editors, chapters people, etc.) have legal questions or problems, Steven's correct -- legal_AT_wikimedia.org is where to send them» (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2010-10-27). I hope this is enough. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?
Hello, As far as I know: le...@wikimedia.org Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fundraising more important than the Truth?
Hello, I don't like to send emails like this but I don't see a solution other than this. I understand that we need money to keep the Wikimedia Foundation running, and yes I support the fundraiser and I donated money. But do we want money because we told people other things than the truth I find it kind of strange and very disturbing that there are things that currently being used to get money from visitors while those things are simply wrong. First we have the donating landing page and it say's Together, we can keep it free of charge and free of advertising. We can keep it open – you can use the information in Wikipedia any way you want. We can keep it growing – spreading knowledge everywhere, and inviting participation from everyone... *free of charge* The content on Wikipedia is written under a free license that means everybody can use in all ways saying that Wikipedia will be a payed source of information will just be wrong because all the content is on mirrors and even if it goes bad it will always be free for everybody somewhere. Secondly: There is a banner saying Sue is the Director of Wikipedia and there is a discussion about that where somebody of the fundraising team say's that they are testing what gives more money... Telling people Sue the director of Wikipedia or Sue the Director for the Wikimedia Foundation... But the Fundraising team knows that they are wrong because the Sue's letter says: *Wikipedia will always be free* ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:2010/SueLetterA/en) But let us ask the quistion: Do we want to make this our best fundraiser knowing we didn't tell the truth about things or do we think we can be open and clear about roles, functions and facts? I hope we choose the last option. -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: Fundraising more important than the Truth?
Hello, I don't like to send emails like this but I don't see a solution other than this. I understand that we need money to keep the Wikimedia Foundation running, and yes I support the fundraiser and I donated money. But do we want money because we told people other things than the truth I find it kind of strange and very disturbing that there are things that currently being used to get money from visitors while those things are simply wrong. First we have the donating landing page and it say's Together, we can keep it free of charge and free of advertising. We can keep it open – you can use the information in Wikipedia any way you want. We can keep it growing – spreading knowledge everywhere, and inviting participation from everyone... *free of charge* The content on Wikipedia is written under a free license that means everybody can use in all ways saying that Wikipedia will be a payed source of information will just be wrong because all the content is on mirrors and even if it goes bad it will always be free for everybody somewhere. Secondly: There is a banner saying Sue is the Director of Wikipedia and there is a discussion about that where somebody of the fundraising team say's that they are testing what gives more money... Telling people Sue the director of Wikipedia or Sue the Director for the Wikimedia Foundation... But the Fundraising team knows that they are wrong because the Sue's letter says: *Wikipedia will always be free* ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:2010/SueLetterA/en) But let us ask the quistion: Do we want to make this our best fundraiser knowing we didn't tell the truth about things or do we think we can be open and clear about roles, functions and facts? I hope we choose the last option. -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?
Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? 2010/12/9 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com 2010/12/9 KIZU Naoko aph...@gmail.com: I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking reader mistook it as one of English Wikipedia admins someone who writes articles etc. Not only smaller projects but also on the Wikipedia, this factual error is better to correct I think. I heard it placed only on enwiki (in a downtime I haven't confirmed yet), but English is no mother tongue of every reader of the English Wikipedia. Factual error and language barriers may spread false information. Not to mention cultural barriers. In Wikipedia communities with (to me, uncomfortably) structured hierarchies―Senior Editor, Editor Second Class, Senior Chief Petty Editor―this is bound to confuse the heck out of people. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, we have enough problems trying to differentiate between Wikileaks and Wikimedia; having to revisit Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia is understandably frustrating to those of us who've spent years explaining the difference. It's easy to point fingers at an almost exclusively North American staff and cry cultural ignorance, but I'm not―I know that plenty of people on staff have years of experience working across cultures, even if it's talking to foreigners on IRC. I wonder, though, who on staff can name the editor ranks on zhwiki? Austin On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: FWIW The word Wikipedia wasn't supposed to make it to sister sites, and that's being fixed right now, so pardon my quick note... I'll write a bit more later about the term as being used on Wikipedia, but the error in pushing it out to sister sites is being corrected right now, so I wanted to acknowledge that... Wikipedia does not have an Executive Director, or anything of the sort. That title suggests that Sue has the final say over content. I don't think it should be used anywhere. But, thanks for at least removing it from the 'smaller' projects. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?
I switched the option on to get notification when my emails get to the list... But that seems to stopped working today? 2010/12/9 Noein prono...@gmail.com You don't receive your own mails. We got two copies of your previous mail. You can check on the pipermail. [1] [1]: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/ On 09/12/2010 19:39, Huib Laurens wrote: Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? 2010/12/9 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com 2010/12/9 KIZU Naoko aph...@gmail.com: I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking reader mistook it as one of English Wikipedia admins someone who writes articles etc. Not only smaller projects but also on the Wikipedia, this factual error is better to correct I think. I heard it placed only on enwiki (in a downtime I haven't confirmed yet), but English is no mother tongue of every reader of the English Wikipedia. Factual error and language barriers may spread false information. Not to mention cultural barriers. In Wikipedia communities with (to me, uncomfortably) structured hierarchies―Senior Editor, Editor Second Class, Senior Chief Petty Editor―this is bound to confuse the heck out of people. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, we have enough problems trying to differentiate between Wikileaks and Wikimedia; having to revisit Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia is understandably frustrating to those of us who've spent years explaining the difference. It's easy to point fingers at an almost exclusively North American staff and cry cultural ignorance, but I'm not―I know that plenty of people on staff have years of experience working across cultures, even if it's talking to foreigners on IRC. I wonder, though, who on staff can name the editor ranks on zhwiki? Austin On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: FWIW The word Wikipedia wasn't supposed to make it to sister sites, and that's being fixed right now, so pardon my quick note... I'll write a bit more later about the term as being used on Wikipedia, but the error in pushing it out to sister sites is being corrected right now, so I wanted to acknowledge that... Wikipedia does not have an Executive Director, or anything of the sort. That title suggests that Sue has the final say over content. I don't think it should be used anywhere. But, thanks for at least removing it from the 'smaller' projects. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Pieter Kuiper
Hello, Strange that Pieter kan rule Wikimedia Commons... So far that the Foundation need to step in. Btw, there is even a request to get him blocked on OTRS... People need to take action on Commons and don't point fingers because nothing will happen than. Huib 2010/12/7 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt wrote: The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real name, NOT his user name! This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth. FT2. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...
Dutch Wikipedia has multible members that aren't admins 2010/12/6, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Sinds its not only English Wikipedia but foundation wide I can say we have people becomming Arbcom without being a Admin.. We had CheckUsers without being a admin. So its not a ladder. Hi Huib, Which project has had ArbCom members that were not admins? There is a related discussion started on meta. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arbitration_Committee#Access_to_WMF_private_information -- John V ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...
Sinds its not only English Wikipedia but foundation wide I can say we have people becomming Arbcom without being a Admin.. We had CheckUsers without being a admin. So its not a ladder. Huib 2010/12/4 wjhon...@aol.com In a message dated 12/4/2010 6:50:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: Actually we have at least 3. Editor, admin bureaucrat, steward, dev. everyone, arbcom Everyone, foundation, foundation board. Not three Geni, one. Has anyone become Arbcom without being an admin? Has anyone become Bureaucrat without being an admin? Has anyone become Foundation Board without being an admin? It's all one ladder. Sure it's *possible* for a non-admin to be elected to Arbcom, but when it's never happened, the truth should be apparent. W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
I mailed to all moderators but I guess none of them are online in this timezone? 2010/12/3 Корецкий Богдан krot11...@mail.ru How interesting! Maybe I can help? If I can, please answer me about that. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?
Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that, and there is really no good reason given why people should see al the ip information for all visitors on a wiki 2010/11/28, dinar qorbanof qdi...@gmail.com: hello should not web server logs (of requests) be published? my native language is tatar and i would or i am going to write to tatar wikipedia and say other people to write to it. authors/managers/administrators of tatar texts are tatar people. for that i think it is correct if tatar people can see web server logs. i think this would not be bad for privacy of readers, because they would see that logs are published, and can access wikipedia through proxy to hide their ip address. ip-addresses of anonymous writers are already published. if anonymouse readers want to hide their referer or search keywords, they also can hide that by copy-pasting wikipedia article url, and this also should be said shortly on every page and in privacy page. another advantage of this is that people could create custom analysers of the logs. i think logs should be divided with directory structure by years, months, days, and probably hours. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?
Do you have a source that many people use dymamic ip's? Cuz I'm pretty sure most of the regular visiters use one ip. 2010/11/28 dinar qorbanof qdi...@gmail.com i do not think that ip address is so important private information, many people browse through dynamic ip and NAT. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments
2010/9/9 Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com 2010/9/7, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com: 2010/9/7, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org: Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and mobile.wikipedia.org respectively. The absence of a history tab in the mobile format is in my view an exact measurement of the temperature of the warmth of the relations between the WMF and its contributors. Let's not call this a conspiracy. Philosopher Pierre Bourdieu would call it an unconcious strategy (1). The other reason why we can't call this a conspiracy is that a conspiracy is usually kept secret, while that agenda is known by a lot of people. They even managed to organise a vote and found a majority approving it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Result The result is the adding of You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license on every edit tab footer. The result is that it is thought that it is OK to distribute contents without the history tab, the author's names remaining in a format not readable on the device the user is using. So all these things are features of the new vastly known agenda. They are not bugs. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l There was nothing secret about that vote, we announced it on all wiki's and we kept public archives for our mailinglist. -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] You have been unsubscribed from the WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
O.o -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] ru-Wikiversuty
saying you suspend all your work untill this is resolved will not help, this is a community matter not a foundation matter. -- Regards, Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] relocating search servers
forwarding because this hits more people than just wikitech-l -- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Stojnic rainma...@gmail.com Date: 2010/8/12 Subject: [Wikitech-l] relocating search servers To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi all, We are currently relocating some servers internally in the datacenter. As a consequence, search snippets, did you mean... and interwiki search are going to be turned off during this time, and only bare results shown. This will affect all WMF wikis. I expect, if everything goes well, that in around 4-5h things are going to go back to normal. Cheers, Robert ___ Wikitech-l mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Huib Abigor Laurens Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
Cary, I don't know what to say, I will miss you :( -- Huib Abigor Laurens Tech team www.wikiweet.nl - www.llamadawiki.nl - www.forgotten-beauty.com - www.wickedway.nl - www.huiblaurens.nl - www.wikiweet.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [TODAY] Office Hour for Thursday, July 22, featuring Sue Gardner
Hi, The [TODAY] in the topic is kind of wrong I guess, you made me wonder if I was wrong about the date today :P -- Huib Abigor Laurens Tech team www.wikiweet.nl - www.llamadawiki.nl - www.forgotten-beauty.com - www.wickedway.nl - www.huiblaurens.nl - www.wikiweet.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Adopting OmegaWiki as Wikimedia project
Hello, I fail to see how this project could be usefull for the Wiktionary projects, because it will probably bring double stuff, we have some big projects there in some languages, why should be bring on a new project that would be multilingual? It sounds that we only have double work. And Wikimedia stands for open content that everybody can change, will OmegaWiki use all wikimedia rules when it would be a project? -- Huib Abigor Laurens Tech team www.wikiweet.nl - www.llamadawiki.nl - www.forgotten-beauty.com - www.wickedway.nl - www.huiblaurens.nl - www.wikiweet.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign
Hi, The billboards look pretty cool! -- Huib Abigor Laurens Tech team www.wikiweet.nl - www.llamadawiki.nl - www.forgotten-beauty.com - www.huiblaurens.nl - www.wikiweet.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Friday, June 11, featuring Mike Godwin
Hi, It would be great to have one from the technical staff also... Best, -- Huib Abigor Laurens Tech team www.wikiweet.nl - www.llamadawiki.nl - www.forgotten-beauty.com - www.huiblaurens.nl - www.wikiweet.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Archivage down?
6 message on the mailinglist, could we make a announcement or something? -- Huib Abigor Laurens Tech team www.wikiweet.nl - www.llamadawiki.nl - www.forgotten-beauty.com - www.huiblaurens.nl - www.wikiweet.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Where things stand now
Dear mr Wales, I don't understand you, I really don't You are saying you want to clean up Commons from hardcore porn but you are deleting art work or pictures that doesn't even show boobs. Did you just nuke or did you look at what you did? -- Huib Abigor Laurens Tech team www.wikiweet.nl - www.llamadawiki.nl - www.forgotten-beauty.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Announcement list is active
Hello, The creation of this list sound very good, but when I read the rules on Meta I think the list is going to be spammed with non or less important information. Participation announcements for Wiki meet-up I'm sure there is a Wiki meet-up every weekend around the globe, posting this information to this list will probably spam. People interested in joining wiki meet-ups would find it in a local site and this list would probably reach to much people. Or there should be more information like Wiki meet-ups bigger than X people or something like that. Publication of new issues of Wikipedia signpost, Wikizine, and other The same here, when people would subscribe to this list they want to read about the announcements from the Foundation and there chapters, The Wikipedia Signpost is a weekly post and I guess people wouldn't want to subscribe to a announcement list en recieve multiple emails a week. I would rather see to keep this list only for big events, announcement from staff, chapters and board and keep the other smaller things off this list. Best regards, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Thursday, February 25
Hi, It could also be a idea to ask Danese Cooper to come by on IRC for a hour. But I would like it when Tim Starling would come by also... Yes he is always on IRC but almost always busy :) See ya. -- Huib Laurens Http://www.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Thursday, February 25
Thomas Dalton schreef: On 25 February 2010 10:02, Huib! abi...@forgotten-beauty.com wrote: Hi, It could also be a idea to ask Danese Cooper to come by on IRC for a hour. But I would like it when Tim Starling would come by also... Yes he is always on IRC but almost always busy :) Give Danese a chance to settle in first! She hasn't had a chance to learn the answers yet. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.733 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2709 - datum van uitgifte: 02/25/10 08:34:00 Meeting the community is also a way to settle in. -- Huib Laurens Http://www.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
Hello, Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free? Make a page on the wmf site where people can buy a hd with wikimedia content and donated it to a school or something like that sounds more like a nice idea. Best regards, Huib 2010/1/21, ster...@aol.com ster...@aol.com: store it on memory chip or HD and sell it ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- The soldiers graves are great preachers of peace http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-l open for business, with changes
Hi, I think its a good idea and maybe it will bring some new people active on this list. Since we have a lot of people reading and only a little group posting. See ya, -- Huib Laurens http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?
Hello, I normally only read this list because I don't see the need to get really involved into discussion a lot, but while reading this I had the feeling that I should respond. As far as I see it there was been a question and it has been answered with the answer that Erik isn't going to respond on rumours and will make a announcement when needed, so why does pushing for a answer? Wouldn't it be better to sit back and wait of and when there will be a announcement? Its just like Wikipedia we can't think trust something untill its verified and pushing isn't going to help :) Best regards, Huib -- *Huib Laurens* Web: Forgotten-beauty.com http://www.forgotten-beauty.com.com/ Email: abi...@forgotten-beauty.com mailto:abi...@forgotten-beauty.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] moderate this list
Hello, Some people are more active than other people on this list, but I don't see a problem with the both names you mention. Cheers, Huib -- Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Closure of projects
Hello, I noticed that there are still a lot of open request for closure on Meta so I decided to contact a LangCom member (Robin) asking him about how and when the projects will be closed or when the requests will be closed, but I recieved a answer I didn't expected. Robin told me there was no policy ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closure_of_WMF_projects ) about the closure of projects so the request can stay open for always. I think its kind of strange that we people can make a request, that there are people who are voting and spending there time commenting on the request or even worse have stress because there project could be closed but the request will never be closed. Is there a way to change this with a new policy, or with a different com for the closure, because this seems to me a waste of time for a lot of people, people can stop editting projects just because the think the project will be closed. At this moment there are 27 request for projects to be closed, ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects ) I think 50% is a easy closure for keep or close. The oldest project is from 2007 that would mean its still open after 2 years :/ -- *Huib Laurens* Web: Forgotten-beauty.com http://www.forgotten-beauty.com.com/ Email: abi...@forgotten-beauty.com mailto:abi...@forgotten-beauty.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Hello, Aren't we working to wrong way, I think it should be better to let people opt-in, because we didn't release our e-mail addresses for this kind of spam. I use different emails for private / mailinglist use and I didn't give permission to use my private email. Its kind of stupid that this email isn't send out when the election started, but is send when a lot of people already voted, and its unneeded now so its spam. But its very good to know that my three bots can vote to, if the election commitee sends me a email that the bots can vote, I'm sure they are really allowed right? :P Best regards, Huib Laurens ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Hello, As far as I know the email users function doesn't show the emailadres to people so you could email me with that function and you still doesn't have my emailadres :) Best regards, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy Interlingual Coordinationn - WP:NOT
Hello, Could you discuss this outside the list? I don't see why it would be important for this list. Best regards, Huib -- Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Two questions about the licensing update of media files
Hello, Wikimedia prefers material under a CC license but it will stay possible to upload gfdl only material. But whenever its possible try to upload it under a cc-by license or a dual license. Best regards, Huib -- Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] British Association of Picture Libraries and Agencies sides with NPG
Hello, A mirror can be found here: http://images.forgotten-beauty.com/NPG%20and%20BAPLA.txt Best regards, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Hungarian Wikinews licence
Hello, A different question on the same topic, However I completely support the change to cc-by-sa-3.0, I'm wondering if its possible to change the cc-by-2.5 license into a cc-by-sa-3.0 license without having to deal with big problems, when I read the license I find this: This License constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with respect to the Work licensed here. There are no understandings, agreements or representations with respect to the Work not specified here. Licensor shall not be bound by any additional provisions that may appear in any communication from You. This License may not be modified without the mutual written agreement of the Licensor and You. Wouldn't that mean that we must organize a big vote on that wiki that it will adapt a new license, or even worse there are also ip users that released there rights under that license. I'm not completely sure how I must see this. Best regards, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad
Hello, I think the writer should have looked on Commons longer and he would have find beautifull images. We work on Wikimedia with a lot of people doing the best the can, and the message read above is disrespectfull to our volunteers. Nobody start with perfect photo's, even the best photographer starts with bad pictures and grows slowly to perfect pictures. So yes we have pictures that are not so good, but the people that made that photo will grow grow grow and make a perfect picture in a few years. Commons is good in stimulating people to grow, you start with a fan picture than you want a QI and after that you want a FP. Huib Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad
Hello, I think the writer should have looked on Commons longer and he would have find beautifull images. We work on Wikimedia with a lot of people doing the best the can, and the message read above is disrespectfull to our volunteers. Nobody start with perfect photo's, even the best photographer starts with bad pictures and grows slowly to perfect pictures. So yes we have pictures that are not so good, but the people that made that photo will grow grow grow and make a perfect picture in a few years. Commons is good in stimulating people to grow, you start with a fan picture than you want a QI and after that you want a FP. Huib Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change
Hello, I have imported the En.wiki sitenotice on Commons and Incubator. This isn't the best way offcourse but it will let more people know about it. Best regards, Huib -- Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?
Hello, I want to start with thanking Effe iets anders, this is the most neutral email about Commons I have seen this week, and I like the fact that there is a new angle to work with. I think Commons is both a service projects and a independent project, Commons is a free file repository and can be used in all MediaWiki site from version 1.13 or higher (source:http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Instant_Commons ), so Commons is providing a service for more than 10.000 sites (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sites_using_MediaWiki). Commons is also a service project for Newspapers, magazines, other sites or things that needs images under a free license. I don't think somebody on Commons would mind if you call it a service project in this context. All Wikimedia project sites are build in MediaWiki so Commons provides them the same hosting service as the do for other MediaWiki sites, only the big difference is that the Foundation own the servers that host Commons and that the Wikimedia Foundation the only organization is that can use Commons for hosting non free images. When we look inside Wikimedia we have Wikipedia, Wikibooks,Wiktionary, Wikinews, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversety . Wikisource and Wikimedia Commons. Those nine projects all have there own scope and can work independent from the other projects, all the projects have there own community, policies, rules and content. When the Foundation will stop the could sell those projects to nine different people and all projects can keep working, the don't need a other project to keep existing. So all those project can be seen independently within the Foundation. The projects that stay over like Wikimania, Incubator or meta can be seen as projects with the soul purpose to support the nine big projects within the Foundation, Incubator can not work without other projects, Meta needs other projects to keep working also. Commons can go on with his own community, so does Wikipedia or Wikinews ect ect. So we should see Commons as a inpendend project created for giving MediaWiki sites a free file repository, but optimized for giving extra service for Wikimedia projects. Best regards, Huib * http://www.wikipedia.org* ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?
effe iets anders schreef: Hi Huib, yes, that seems to be an accurate description of the current situation. However, what would you /want/ it to be, and /why/ ? :) Thanks, eia 2009/6/16 Huib Laurens abi...@forgotten-beauty.com Hello, I would want it to be a independent project thats optimized for giving extra service to other projects. I have a few reasons for it, 1 I think when Commons would be only a service project we will get 700+ Wikimedia projects that wants to say a little bit about the policies on Commons, and that will not be good for Commons nor the other projects. When we say its a independent project it will mean Commons can make his own policies. 2 Commons is not ready to be a service project to replace local uploads, translations aren't good enough and there a not enough administrators to give enough service to all language projects. 3 If we make Commons a service project we will end up with users getting blocked because the are blocked on other wiki's. A independent Commons can be a safe harbour for users blocked from other projects to make a fresh start. (It happened it the past). I believe if Commons is a service project we need to change a lot of things in a short time with a lot of people involved, A independent Commons still have to deal with the same problems, but the community can work on it without the need of extra interference. Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?
Geoffrey Plourde schreef: Its only point=what is does=store images for other projects I was not referring to the cabinet makers, just the filing cabinets. It was the closest metaphor for Commons my caffeine deprived brain could think of. Following along it, a cabinet maker is one who makes cabinets. The cabinets themselves are repositories. Commons does a lot more than only store images for other projects.. Please note that there are a lot of people busy with maintaining images, or making images better. The goal of Commons is to make a archive full of free media files, not only for the WMF. Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?
Yaroslav M. Blanter schreef: 2 Commons is not ready to be a service project to replace local uploads, translations aren't good enough and there a not enough administrators to give enough service to all language projects. I am not sure what you mean. es.wp and (almost) de.wp only use Commons, they do not have any local uploads. And I wish all PD images which are stored on en.wp locally now would be ever transferred to Commons by bots. It could save a lot of my time. And I do not see why translators are a problem, translating a description to an existing Commons image is way easier than to store another one locally. Cheers Yaroslav Yaroslav, I don't think the problem will be with the big projects, there are a lot of people who can speak the language.. The small wiki's are the most difficult and Commons isn't ready to handle them in a good way. It would be best if Commons had two admins for every language instead of none for some languages. Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?
Yaroslav M. Blanter schreef: I don't think the problem will be with the big projects, there are a lot of people who can speak the language.. The small wiki's are the most difficult and Commons isn't ready to handle them in a good way. It would be best if Commons had two admins for every language instead of none for some languages. Huib Huib, but is it really a problem? I thought that actually on bigger wikis there are users who only speak their own language and are not keen to go through the interface of Commons and explain their problems to the Commons admins in the case of misunderstanding. But communities on small wikis always speak some of the bigger languages, like in Chavash wiki everybody speaks Russian, on Gaelic and Marathi - English, on Kechua - Spanish and so on. It would be nice of course to have all translations like Testwiki, but I think at this point five to ten bigger languages would suffice. Cheers Yaroslav I think that we can not expect from users to speak a non native language, it would be best if everybody can be helped in there native language when it is needed. I'm sure lot of people can give advice in English or French but I know for sure that a explanetion can go wrong with misunderstandings if it isn't held in your native language. And a lot of people can be scared for coming to Commons as a big wiki where only other language are present and your native language isn't there or is only there at some places. Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] A small update from the LiCom
Hello colleagues, At this time I am going to provide you with a small update from Licensing update committee[1]. On 12 April 2009, a vote concerning the license change[2] was opened and announced via CentralNotice[3]. Between 12 and 19 April, 10.800 votes where cast (including those later stricken). On 14 April, approximately 4.000 votes were recorded in 24 hours. Discussion and questions can be expressed on Meta[4]. So far, 39 people have asked questions there, with most of them being answered within 24 hours. The wiki voting system is up and running but like every system flaws and bugs do exist[5]. Since voting started 10 bugs where reported of which 5 have been fixed. Most of the flaws were related to CentralNotice or localisation of the vote pages. Voting ends at 3 May 2009, so we have a little bit more then a week to go. If you haven’t voted yet, please do so! Best regards, Huib Laurens [1]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LiCom [2]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LU [3]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LU/CN [4]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Licensing_update [5]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Bugs ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
