RE: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren
Hallo WoK, Diese Liste is normalerweise nur in Englisch gehalten... Other than that, I'm not aware of any plugin that leaves out generated lists. U got FrameScript? -Niels - -Original Message- - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - On Behalf Of Wolfgang Kühn - Sent: 19. oktober 2006 12:05 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subject: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren - - Hallo, - - kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein - Tool/PlugIn/Script mit welchen ich die generierten - Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner Suche über ein - Buch ausklammern kann? - - Danke - WoK - ___ - - - You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - To unsubscribe send a blank email to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - or visit - http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nfa%40maconomy.dk - - Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit - http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Remove Structure (FDK)
Oops. I violated the RE: Framers Digest etiquette rule with that last post. Here's a quick post so the topics list will show a response to the original thread. Sorry about that. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: general publication quiestion
I publish in pdf and in printed formats. The people who read the pdf do indeed think that the empty left page is a mistake, even though it has a header and footer. In fact, they print from the pdf. So I changed the format to delete empty pages. I don't print often anymore, but when I do, I have to force some empty left pages in order to get the chapters on the right pages. Some day, if I convert to structured Framemaker, I'll just use a printing style sheet and save myself some time. Nancy Carpenter Lead Technical Writer GENCO Distribution System 100 Papercraft Park Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238 Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/18/2006 11:44 AM To: framers@frameusers.com cc: Subject:Re: general publication quiestion Too often readers will suspect that there was a printing error if there isn't SOME content on the page. Having headers and footers on the page with no text between them only makes this type of person even more prone to suspicion. Putting an Intentionally Blank notice on the page helps to reduce the number of calls to the Help Desk, if nothing else. If you don't like the paradox, you could simply reword it. Intentionally Devoid of Relevant Content or somesuch. --Doug On 10/18/06, Charles Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Because we have always used running headers and footers, and those appear on the page regardless of other content. This means that, if there is no other content, at least the header and footer are there as a clue to the reader that this page was intentionally left blank. No need to declare it; the running headers/footers declare it, in effect. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/carpentn%40genco.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Continuous Numbering in FrameMaker
Sorry to chime in late. Here's how I've done it when I needed a documents page count elsewhere. A paragraph with a format called PageCount placed on A REFERENCE PAGE! Then you just put the page count variable as the only text. You then Xref to the last document in a book. No need for blank paragraphs or white text (which is selectable in a PDF. Yuck!). Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer Tammy Van Boening [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/16/2006 05:19:54 PM: Ok - a quick follow-up to this. For the empty paragraph tag, you need some kind of source text for the paragraph to select for the x-ref, so what I did was set up an auto-number format with the phrase TotalPageCount and set the color to white so it doesn't show and I have a cross-ref. format called TotalPageCount set to pick up only the page number of the paragraph. I set this up on the master page footers and it works like a charm. Thanks Fred. TVB Tammy Van Boening Engineering Technical Writer InsureWorx 303-729-7733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Question on external formats and question on TOC settings
I see that you have got very good replies to your question, but because you mention CSS, I gather that you are familiar with HTML/XHTML/XML. At the same time the question rather implies that you are not familiar with Structured FrameMaker. Structured FrameMaker works in a similar way but much more efficiently, one of the main differences being that the styling is more or less intermixed with the Element Definition Document (or the EDD) which basically works as a combination of a DTD and CSS. Based on how you set this up (you can have the EDD refer to the Paragraph and Character catalogs or do all the formatting within the EDD even in a hierarchial way such as with CSS). When you have set up the EDD you can import it, even if only to get some formatting changes into the document you are working on. But this is harder to learn than meddling with the Paragraph and Character Designers. I hope this will not scare you away from looking into the Structured FM. It has its definitive upsides for a lot of document types. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Air Atlanta Icelandic. On 10/17/06, Paul Pehrson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow Frame users, This is my first post to the list; I joined yesterday. I've been using Frame for about two years, but I only recently started a job where I'm a lone writer, in charge of all documentation for my organization. Previously, I've been using Frame, but my supervisor was the one who created/updated all templates, formats, etc., so I didn't really learn to use a lot of Frame's features. I'm excited to be on this list and to learn from your collective experience. Today I come with two questions. First: is there a way to use an external formats document similar to a CSS style sheet using unstructured Frame? I have four books that I'm developing concurrently. The average book has 6 chapters, so I've got a good number of individual .fm documents I'm working with. As I go, I'm encountering new format needs. I modify the format accordingly, but then I have to import that document's formats into all the other documents I'm working with. I'd like to know if Frame has an external formats document that can be referenced, such that formats changed in that document are automatically reflected across all documents that link to that formats doc. Does that make sense? Do you know any way to make Frame do this? (I'm stuck with Frame 7.0 for now.) Second: When you build a TOC, is there a way to get Frame to insert a tab between the heading text and the page number? I'm having to do this manually every time I build the book files (which is daily, because I'm making my in-process work available to our internal developers and support people). I'm just sure there must be some place where I can tell Frame that I want a tab between the heading text and the page number. I just can't find it. Any help available? Thanks. I look forward to participating in the Framers online community. Paul Pehrson Midvale, UT ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: general publication quiestion
Daniel Emory wrote: --- Charles Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, and then again, maybe I'm not. I too have always considered it a strange paradox when I see the words This page intentionally left blank. But there is no need to use it. == Mis-printed technical documentation has real-world consequences. A printer device can misfeed two or more sheets at once, inserting completely blank double-sided sheets, or, even worse, it may print one side properly, but mis-feed two or more sheets at once on the second pass to produce the backside pages, which results in an incorrect blank backside for one or more pages. snip How, then, do you prevent such consequences. There's only one way, and that is for users to be trained that any completely blank page or page side constitutes an error that must be corrected. Consequently, every single page must have text. The logical solution for an intentionally blank page is to place the statement THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK in the center (not the edges, which may be incorrectly trimmed or mis-printed) of the page. All this concern over completely blank pages strikes me as odd. But then, I read Charles Beck's explanation of *why* there's no need -- the part about *headers* and *footers* that's conveniently snipped above. And only one way? This is beginning to sound more like a religion than techwriting advice. In the past, I've used a level-1 heading that reads Notes at the top of the extra page (below the header's ruling line) -- does that lack the rigorous user training component that the statement THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK seems to possess? What about this in the center bit? Does it have to be horizontally centered too, or can it align left in the text column? For that matter, if you have wider inside than outside margins, should it be centered on the page or in the column? For those of us who like the golden ratio, would it be beyond the pale to place the statement 1.62 times as far from the bottom of the page as from the top? I think that would be more aesthetically pleasing, FWIW, but I admit I've done no research of the effect on user training. And since I brought it up, there's this from will white: Isn't there also a matter of aethetics? An empty chapter end page consisting only on a header and a footer is, in my estimation, an eyesore and an embarrassment. Glory be. I never thought I'd see the day when THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK was defended for aesthetic reasons. And by someone who eschews the elegance of the capital W, no less. Just warming up for Friday. ;-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Border being generated around a page
Hello. I have a document that spontaneously generates a border around the first page only when I make the PDF. The book is made up of several files and set at 5.5 x 8.5. I use Frame 6.0p405 on Win XP, and this occurs with using either Adobe PDF 6 or 7 printers (I print to PS and use Distiller). I've been having to delete the border in the PDF manually, and I cannot figure out why the border is being generated in the first place. Anyone else encounter this and how to prevent it? TIA -- This e-mail may contain SEL confidential or legally privileged information. The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of SEL. Any unauthorized disclosure, distribution or other use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender, permanently delete it, and destroy any printed copies. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: The Page Left Intentionally Blank
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Read/write rules question - retaining markup attribute
Hi, I'm trying to set up the read/write rules for my XML files and have run into a problem. I've cheated a bit with DITA and am using the 'otherprops' attribute of 'table' to store the table format. I'm using this rule: attribute otherprops is fm property table format; I set this attribute in Frame and also select the corresponding table format (the same value). When I open the file in FM the attribute value is lost, and the table is formatted correctly. I looked in the structured developers guide and found that this is as designed: If you use the is fm property rule to translate a markup attribute to a FrameMaker property, the markup attribute does not also appear as a FrameMaker attribute. My question is, is there a way to do this so that the markup attribute does appear as a attribute of the element in Frame. I'd like to keep this value so I can test it in the edd and format the text in the table accordingly. I could misuse another attribute and store my value in one, and the FM table format in another. But I'd rather keep the misuse to a minimum. Any ideas? Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren
For those who don't understand German, here is an English translation of the question: Hallo, Hello, kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein Tool/PlugIn/Script mit Does anyone know of a trick or a Tool/PlugIn/Script with welchen ich die generierten Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner which I can exclude the generated indexes (?) (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) from my Suche über ein Buch ausklammern kann? search of a book? Danke Thanks WoK On 10/19/06, Wolfgang Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein Tool/PlugIn/Script mit welchen ich die generierten Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner Suche über ein Buch ausklammern kann? Danke WoK -- Paul Pehrson Midvale, UT AIM: nelspaul2004 MSN: paulpehrson(at)gmail.com www.paulpehrson.com blog.paulpehrson.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Link from HTML to PDF
Thanks Rick. That's exactly the sort of thing I needed. Pat On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:19 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Pat, If you open the PDF with Acrobat and choose View Navigation Tabs Destinations, you will see a list of named destinations in the file. FrameMaker usually creates a named desination for each page in the form P.#, where # is the page number. So, to open the PDF at page 3, you can use http://www.myurl.com/mypdf.pdf#nameddest=P.3 Or, without named destinations, you can use this http://www.myurl.com/mypdf.pdf#page=3 Note that you can't test these locally; they only work across an internet connection. Shlomo may have more examples at http://www.microtype.com. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hi - My client wants to link from an HTML webpage to a specific page in a PDF doc. The PDF is created from FrameMaker. Anyone know how to do this? Thanks. Pat Christenson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table numbered lists in tables - can you define it?
Hi Frame gurus... I may have known this but forgotten. I checked the archives and the online help and didn't see anything there, so I'm coming to the folks who know. I have numbered lists that I need to convert to tables. Is there a way to specify that the numbered lists show up in the cells down-then-across rather than across-then-down? When I convert them now, the table order is: 1. | 2. | 3. | ___ 4. | 5. | 6. | and what I want is: 1. | 3. | 5. | _ 2. | 4. | 6. | Thanks in advance! -joanne Joanne Grey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Write Angleswww.writeangles.com Noble souls, through dust and heat\Rise from disaster and defeat\The stronger. -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: The Page Left Intentionally Blank
It's really based on whatever your company Style Guide says. So discuss it with the people who write the Style Guide and come to a consensus. Thanks, Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whites Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:17 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: The Page Left Intentionally Blank Isn't there also a matter of aethetics? An empty chapter end page consisting only on a header and a footer is, in my estimation, an eyesore and an embarrassment. will white ++ There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. - Twain ++ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame 7.1 Internal Error
Hi all, I'm running Frame 7.1 on a Win XP box and it keeps crashing today when I do book builds. The error output: Internal Error: 7104, 4440200, 4439404, 6561597 FrameMaker 7.1.0 for Intel Build: 7.1p114 Window System: MSWindows Operating System: Windows NT 5.1 (major.minor.build: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) Generated on: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:14:35 PM To file: c:\program files\adobe\framemaker7.1\FrameLog_06.10.19_13.14.35.txt Anyone else been seeing this one? Just wondering. It is annoying me greatly. Cheers, Neil __ Neil Tubb Senior Technical Writer Solace Systems, Inc. 535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8 Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066 Fax: (613) 271-2844 Internet: www.solacesystems.com http://www.solacesystems.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ANN: Hoffmann to Present Optimizing Structured FM for Localization at Annual FM User Group
BOULDER, CO - OCTOBER 19, 2006 - ENLASO Corporation, a provider of translation and localization solutions, today announced that localization publishing expert Maxwell Hoffmann will be making a presentation at the FrameMaker 2006 Chautauqua on November 9 in Austin, Texas. Hoffmann, who manages Consulting and Training solutions for ENLASO, will be presenting Optimizing Structured FrameMaker for Localization. The presentation includes an overview of the localization process while focusing on FrameMaker's strengths in the publishing phase of localization. General tips for template management are also covered. Hoffmann will be demonstrating customer-specific FrameMaker plug-ins that ENLASO has developed to facilitate the localization process: * Localize a single source template, eliminating the need for one template per target language, * Reduce publishing time by automatically creating structured book and chapter-relative Tables of Contents in one step, * Fix orphans after text expansion, * Alphabetize translated glossaries, and Generate correct PDF bookmarks in unsupported languages. About 80% of our document content localization at ENLASO is in FrameMaker because it is the market leader in high volume, scalable technical documentation, comments Hoffmann. I am drawing from several years of experience publishing challenging, multi-lingual projects to share some highly innovative solutions we have developed to dramatically automate multi-lingual FrameMaker production. Over the last 20 years, Maxwell Hoffmann has trained more than 1,500 customers and sales professionals in publishing solutions and localization. He has nine years of localization and 19 years of FrameMaker experience. Hoffmann is also a former product manager for FrameMaker at Frame Technology and has helped develop a round trip from FrameMaker to XML at ENLASO two years before the release of XML-enabled FrameMaker 7.0. Information on schedule and registering for the FrameMaker 2006 Chautauqua may be found at: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/ About ENLASO Corporation ENLASO Corporation, an ISO 9001 company with three decades of experience, provides clients with enterprise language solutions. ENLASO delivers multilingual solutions to the information technology, social networking, life sciences, legal, financial, security, gaming, aerospace, automotive, advertising, and telecommunications industries. Services include localization of software, Web sites, marketing communications, technical documentation, localization testing, consulting, and training. For additional information, contact: Chris Raulf, ENLASO Corporation at (303) 516-0857 or by email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maxwell Hoffmann Manager of Consulting Training Solutions ENLASO Corporation T: 805 494 9571 * F: 805 435 1920 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ENLASO Corporation provides quality enterprise language solutions and exceeds client expectations through continuing research, development, and implementation of effective localization processes and technologies. Visit: www.translate.com http://www.translate.com for more information or to subscribe to our complimentary localization newsletter. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: structured import and pgftag fonts
Noah, In your position, given one case that works and one that doesn't, I would simplify the test document, EDD, DTD, template, and read/write rules in stages until I found the significant difference between them. --Lynne At 07:41 PM 10/18/2006, Noah Evans wrote: Well, I'm inching towards understanding what the problem is. The problem is definitely caused by some sort of sketchy interaction between frame's structured import and the formats in the template. I took a completely different unstructured manual with different paragraph tags, purged it and turned it into a template for my structured application. Then I set the paragraph tag of my root to a 30 point combined font and imported. When I did this it worked fine, it didn't put character formats on any of my mif strings. This let the combined font and the paragraph work normally. So the question becomes: What sort of things could my template have in it that would cause it to insert character formats like that? It's not the edd, otherwise my bare template would have had the same problem. I'm still stumped. Noah On 10/17/06, Steve Cavanaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I'm discovering the same thing here. Frame seems to want to punish us for not having ACM installed... Frame's idiotic obsession with the Times font is beginning to really annoy me. Steve Cavanaugh Sr. Technical Writer NAT Seattle Inc. -Original Message- From: Noah Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:44 PM To: Steve Cavanaugh Cc: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: structured import and pgftag fonts Hey Steve, I changed the ini file earlier, but the problem seems to be that no matter what I do, when I import all of the text fonts are being set by a blank character format. So even if I set the data to what I want in the paragraph tag, the blank character format that is inserted during import overrides it. What's strange about this is that when I insert the elements directly through frame and edit them by hand, frame doesn't insert the character format. It seems to be an issue with the import. One more thing, I just remembered something regarding the ini file. Even when I set the default font to Arial, Times New Roman, Tms Rmn in maker.ini when I check the strings in the executable in memory next to the string Default Font the string Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Tms Rmn is there instead. Could just be a default defined as a constant, but no matter what I do, from purging all definitions of Times from the mif or changing maker.ini it just won't go away during import. Noah On 10/16/06, Steve Cavanaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I caught a clue about FrameMaker's font behavior from http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/help/index.html - click on Mass Convert Fonts. I hadn't realized that FrameMaker uses an .ini file (I thought ini files went away a LONG time ago) and that in that .ini file there is a default font definition that was driving me mad here. I would convert all fonts to Arial, and upon print, the console would tell me it was making a substitute for Times which I had not defined for anything. It turns out, that .ini file had a definition of Times for the variable DefaultFamily. Steve Cavanaugh Sr. Technical Writer NAT Seattle Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] m] On Behalf Of Noah Evans Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:25 PM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: structured import and pgftag fonts Hey Rick, framers, Rick, thanks for your tip, however in this case it didn't work. Here's why: After looking through the mif and experimenting with different formatting in the edd, I've found the problem, but I have no idea why it's ending up like this. Frame seems to be inserting font data on the strings themselves --overriding the combined fonts defined by the elements. Does anyone have any idea of how I could stop frame from doing this? I can manually set the font with a text rule, but frame still nests the combined fonts too deeply in the mif, so frame's fonts override them. I could write an fdk client to eliminate the font information manually, but I'm hoping that someone who knows more than me could offer me some ideas as to what's going on and why frame's putting in that font data. Thanks for everybody's help and input, Noah On 10/12/06, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, I am not sure what is causing this by try this after you import the XML. 1) Choose File Import Element Definitions. 2) Leave Current selected in the Import from Document popup. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hey all, I'm having a very strange problem with my structure application. When I import an xml file, none of the fonts follows the paragraph
Re: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:05:23 +0200, Wolfgang Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein Tool/PlugIn/Script mit welchen ich die generierten Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner Suche über ein Buch ausklammern kann? Babelfish says: Subject: Ignore generated listings with search Does someone know a trick and/or a Tool/PlugIn/Script with which I can exclude the generated listings (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) from my search over a book? Answer: Create a second book without the generated files in it, and search in that book. In German: Antwort: Stellen Sie ein zweites Buch ohne die erzeugten Akten in ihm, her und suchen Sie in diesem Buch. Mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Jeremy H. Griffith, Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Read/write rules question - retaining markup attribute
Hi, I'm trying to set up the read/write rules for my XML files and have run into a problem. I've cheated a bit with DITA and am using the 'otherprops' attribute of 'table' to store the table format. I'm using this rule: attribute otherprops is fm property table format; I set this attribute in Frame and also select the corresponding table format (the same value). When I open the file in FM the attribute value is lost, and the table is formatted correctly. I looked in the structured developers guide and found that this is as designed: If you use the is fm property rule to translate a markup attribute to a FrameMaker property, the markup attribute does not also appear as a FrameMaker attribute. My question is, is there a way to do this so that the markup attribute does appear as a attribute of the element in Frame. I'd like to keep this value so I can test it in the edd and format the text in the table accordingly. I could misuse another attribute and store my value in one, and the FM table format in another. But I'd rather keep the misuse to a minimum. Any ideas? Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any way to highlight file imports when by reference?
Hi, Oleg. Oleg A. Paraschenko wrote: Hi! On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:54:00 -0700 Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... 1. When I am working on a particular FM file with these file imports, I'd like to highlight them (like with a gray background or something like that) during my editing session - NOT for printing in the final document, so that I know where the inserts start and stop, etc. Is there any way to do this? We also had the same need, and I wrote a set of FrameScripts to higlight and unhighlight insets. Unfortunately, I think I can't share them. However, being aware that it is possible, you can write your own scripts. Ah! A good point - I had not even considered that as a solution. This may be the justification for me to go ahead and finally buy FrameScript. Thanks for the input and recommendation. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Master pages refuse to be applied
Structured FrameMaker 7.0, Mac, OS X 10.4.8. I am going nuts here. I made a change to the height of the text frame on left/right master pages. I reapplied the master pages: the body pages did not change. Now get this: if I draw a small measuring line on a master page that is the length of the gap between the top of the main text frame and the top of the page, then cut it and paste in onto a body page, *the text frame on the body page becomes correct*, i.e. it takes on the definition of the master page. Removing the line and moving forward and back through the pages causes the body page text frames to revert to their previous, wrong, dimensions. Let me summarize: changes made to master pages in this document refuse to be applied to body pages. Is there something I'm missing here...? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Clear Quest/Case with Framemaker files
All, My SCM guy is swearing that Framemaker and Clear Quest/Case don't play nicely together. I am not even remotely knowledgeable enough about Clear Quest/Case to refute any of his concerns. At previous gigs, we used either CMVC and therefore, just checked in/out the PDFs (never had to deal w/ the Framemaker source files) or VSS, which meant that Framemaker source files were not an issue. VSS handled them just fine. If anybody can provide any insight whatsoever about using Framemaker and having Clear Quest/Case as your source control tool that would be great. Is there anything special that I have to do with the Framemaker source files. (Right now, my SCM guy wants me to save them as XML files - I can't intelligently explain as to why this is his reasoning), and I don't see any need to link the Framemaker files in a book in Clear Case, but he says that has to be done and he needs to figure out how. So, any and all advice is appreciated. Thanks in Advance, TVB Tammy Van Boening Engineering Technical Writer InsureWorx 303-729-7733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Keep Smiling - At least until you get your own way ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren
Wolfgang Kühn wrote: Hallo, kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein Tool/PlugIn/Script mit welchen ich die generierten Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner Suche über ein Buch ausklammern kann? Danke WoK Translated by Babelfish: someone knows a trick from you and/or a Tool/PlugIn/Script with which I the generated listings (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) from my search over a book to exclude can? Eine einfache Idee: Stellen Sie ein neues, temporäres Buch her. Fügen Sie dem Buch nur die Akten hinzu, die Sie suchen möchten. Eine zweite Idee: Löschen Sie die TOC etc. aus Ihrem Buch. Führen Sie Ihre Suche durch. Fügen Sie die TOC etc. zurück zu Ihrem Buch hinzu. (übersetzt durch Babelfish.) A simple idea: Create a new, temporary book. Add to the book only the files you want to search. A second idea: Delete the TOC etc. from your book. Complete your search. Add the TOC etc. back to your book. (Translated by Babelfish.) Perhaps someone else has better ideas for Wolfgang? Möglicherweise hat jemand anderes bessere Ideen für Wolfgang? http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product. Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Read/write rules question - retaining markup attribute
Hi, I'm trying to set up the read/write rules for my XML files and have run into a problem. I've cheated a bit with DITA and am using the 'otherprops' attribute of 'table' to store the table format. I'm using this rule: attribute "otherprops" is fm property table format; I set this attribute in Frame and also select the corresponding table format (the same value). When I open the file in FM the attribute value is lost, and the table is formatted correctly. I looked in the structured developers guide and found that this is as designed: If you use the is fm property rule to translate a markup attribute to a FrameMaker property, the markup attribute does not also appear as a FrameMaker attribute. My question is, is there a way to do this so that the markup attribute does appear as a attribute of the element in Frame. I'd like to keep this value so I can test it in the edd and format the text in the table accordingly. I could misuse another attribute and store my value in one, and the FM table format in another. But I'd rather keep the misuse to a minimum. Any ideas? Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom | daniel.osborn at tomtom.com | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office
general publication quiestion
Your "snip" below deleted from my original post the main reason I gave for why intentionally blank pages should be unambiguously labeled. The snipped part was: "The fact that, more and more, technical manuals are being delivered as computer files, not professionally printed and bound paper documents, increases the likelihood of printing errors when users print out all or part of a manual, and thus unambiguous identification of blank pages becomes even more important." "In designing technical documentation, technical writers have an obligation to consider the impact of such things as printing and binding errors, particularly when such errors could have life-and-death consequences." = As the military has learned, some readers of technical documentation are not at the bright end of the mental continuum. Unless blank pages are unambiguously labeled so that even a low-wattage brain will get the message, the military has learned that some very troubling outcomes occur. The US military conducts, as a matter of course, thorough reviews of snafus to identify the causes of the foulups. Instances where poorly designed or written tech manuals contributed to a snafu are extremely common, and corrective actions are often recommended, which result in changes in MIL specs, and/or changes in the validation and verification process for military tech manuals. The standardization on the "THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK" solution was found to be the least ambiguous way to identify blank pages, because it allows a simple training mantra, namely: "If you find a blank page in a manual which does not contain the above statement, something is probably wrong. Stop what you are doing, and seek advice from your superior." The fact is that the US military is the only true laboratory where technical documentation is subjected to extensive post-publication review to determine its effectiveness in the real world. Findings resulting from analyses of actual foul-ups lead to continuing improvements in tech manual instructions. Those who write manuals for non-military applications ought to also take advantage of that laboratory. --- "Combs, Richard" wrote: > Daniel Emory wrote: > > > --- Charles Beck wrote: > > > Maybe I'm missing something, and then again, > maybe I'm not. > > I too have > > > always considered it a strange paradox when I > see the words > > "This page > > > intentionally left blank." But there is no need > to use it. > > == > > Mis-printed technical documentation has real-world > > > consequences. A printer device can misfeed two or > more sheets > > at once, inserting completely blank double-sided > sheets, or, > > even worse, it may print one side properly, but > mis-feed two > > or more sheets at once on the second pass to > produce the > > backside pages, which results in an incorrect > blank backside > > for one or more pages. > > > How, then, do you prevent such consequences. > There's only one > > way, and that is for users to be trained that any > completely > > blank page or page side constitutes an error that > must be > > corrected. Consequently, every single page must > have text. > > The logical solution for an intentionally blank > page is to > > place the statement "THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT > BLANK" in > > the center (not the edges, which may be > incorrectly trimmed or > > mis-printed) of the page. > > All this concern over "completely blank" pages > strikes me as odd. But > then, I read Charles Beck's explanation of *why* > there's no need -- the > part about *headers* and *footers* that's > conveniently snipped above. > > And "only one way"? This is beginning to sound more > like a religion than > techwriting advice. > > In the past, I've used a level-1 heading that reads > "Notes" at the top > of the extra page (below the header's ruling line) > -- does that lack the > rigorous user training component that the statement > "THIS PAGE > INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK" seems to possess? > > What about this "in the center" bit? Does it have to > be horizontally > centered too, or can it align left in the text > column? For that matter, > if you have wider inside than outside margins, > should it be centered on > the page or in the column? > > For those of us who like the golden ratio, would it > be beyond the pale > to place the statement 1.62 times as far from the > bottom of the page as > from the top? I think that would be more > aesthetically pleasing, FWIW, > but I admit I've done no research of the effect on > user training. > > And since I brought it up, there's this from will > white: > > > Isn't there also a matter of aethetics? An empty > chapter end > > page consisting only on a header and a footer is, > in my > > estimation, an eyesore and an embarrassment. > > Glory be. I never thought I'd see the day when "THIS > PAGE INTENTIONALLY > LEFT BLANK" was defended for aesthetic reasons.
The Page Left Intentionally Blank
--- Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > I always felt that "This Page Intentionally Left > Blank" sounds a bit > weird. Why would you intentionally leave a page > blank? I vote to change > it to "This Page Left Blank for Double-sided > Printing." What about the case where the manual is only delivered as a computer file, and the user prints out all or part of the double-sided manual as a single-sided document on local printer? Now a typical dimwit reader will become confused about what it means. The addition of "For Double-Sided Printing" adds an unnecessary confusion factor which adds nothing to the intended meaning, regardless of whether the manual is printed single- or double-sided.
Read/write rules question - retaining markup attribute
Hi Lynne,
Thanks, it works perfectly. The name of the table format and the
attribute value are the same, so no problems there.
The reason I want to do it is that I format the text in the table based
on the type of table it is. It's not that much work to enter this
information - every time I choose to enter the element 'table', I
specify that attribute from a list of choices, then specify the table
format in the next dialog.
The real reasoning behind all this is that I am misusing DITA a bit in
another way: rather than use the 'note' element for notes, I am using
tables. The style guide says that notes should be in a gray box using
italic font. I found the easiest way to do this in Frame is to put the
note in a single cell table. The table format creates the gray
background, I set 'otherprops' to 'note', and then test the 'otherprops'
attribute to format the text.
I do this with a couple of different types of tables, mostly when they
are used for formatting. If anyone has any other suggestions to cope
with this, I'd love to hear them.
Many thanks for your help,
Daniel
Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom |
daniel.osborn at tomtom.com | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office
-Original Message-
From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:lpr...@txstruct.com]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:56 PM
To: Daniel Osborn; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Read/write rules question - retaining markup attribute
At 09:13 AM 10/19/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote:
>If you use the is fm property rule to translate a markup attribute
to
>a FrameMaker property, the markup attribute does not also appear as a
>FrameMaker attribute.
>
>My question is, is there a way to do this so that the markup attribute
>does appear as a attribute of the element in Frame. I'd like to keep
>this value so I can test it in the edd and format the text in the table
>accordingly.
Daniel,
Why do you want to do so? The information is stored in both the FM
and
XML representations of the document. As you've described, when you open
an
XML document, FM uses the attribute value to set the table format. When
you
save the FM document to XML, FM will export an attribute.
If you map the XML attribute to an FM attribute, there's no way to
keep
the table format in synch with the attribute value. When you insert a
new
table in a document, the Insert Table dialog box will appear, allowing
you
to select a table format. Short of a plug-in or FrameScript, there's no
way
to ensure that the selected table format is the same as an attribute
value.
Furthermore, you can always change the format of an existing table
within
FM. Again, there's no way to validate that you've changed an attribute
value as well.
Nevertheless, if you really want to do so, you might be able to use
the
rule:
attribute "otherprops" {
is fm property table format;
is fm attribute;
}
If this does work (and I don't have time to test it now), I suspect the
actual table format rather than the attribute value is used on export.
--Lynne
Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application
development,
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
Mehr: RE: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren
Grusse WoK, Besuchen Sie auf www.frameusers.com. Sie konnen daran Viele plug-ins finden. Wenn einer dass arbeitet wie Sie wunchen daran ist weiss ich nicht. (Visit www.frameusers.com. You can find many plug-ins on it, but I do not know whether one that works as you want is on it.) But as Neils said, this list is normally held in English. I'm sure that some of the members speak other languages, but I would not count on being able to post in anything but English and get a response. I've heard that there is a German list for frame users but I have never tried to find it. Danke, Diane == -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Niels Fan?e Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:39 AM To: Wolfgang K?hn; Framers at Lists Subject: RE: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren Hallo WoK, Diese Liste is normalerweise nur in Englisch gehalten... Other than that, I'm not aware of any plugin that leaves out generated lists. U got FrameScript? -Niels -> -Original Message- -> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com -> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com] -> On Behalf Of Wolfgang K?hn -> Sent: 19. oktober 2006 12:05 -> To: Framers at Lists -> Subject: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren -> -> Hallo, -> -> kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein -> Tool/PlugIn/Script mit welchen ich die generierten -> Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner Suche ?ber ein -> Buch ausklammern kann? -> -> Danke -> WoK ->
Clear Quest/Case with Framemaker files
What he's saying is that FM files are "binary", which means they're not composed entirely of printable characters (that's a simplified explanation). You can't do the "normal" type of ClearCase operation on them. That probably freaks him out. It shouldn't; I have used ClearCase and other SCM products before with FM files with no problems. I can only guess that he has a set process that doesn't account for binary files. If so, I can't imagine how he handles graphics files like JPGs. Maybe he thinks that he's responsible for merging changes that multiple writers make to the same FM file. I can't imagine that you are doing this anyway. I can not honestly think of any other reason to use XML instead of FM. I should explain that diff/merge handles the typically programming situation. Two or more engineers must edit the same source file. They then have to check their changes back in. Inevitably, one gets there first, leaving the other to check in his or her changes on the changes made by the first one. Rather than having one set of edits overwrite the other, the SCM program runs a "diff" (named after the old UN*X command) on the files to find out what's different between the two. Based on this, it suggests a merge strategy. The engineer checking in the file works with the program to make the merge. Engineers quite often have to share source files. In the old days, they shared .h header files used by the C programming language. Nowadays, they may share a Java resource bundle, an XML configuration file, or other source file. In comparison, writers usually don't do this. We use SCM to make different versions (branches) of our files, back them up, and integrate them with the product build process. As I have said, FM files work fine in SCM, and PDF files also work. Show this e-mail to your engineer. I'd like to know what his response is. Tammy Van Boening wrote: > All, > > My SCM guy is swearing that Framemaker and Clear Quest/Case don't play > nicely together. I am not even remotely knowledgeable enough about Clear > Quest/Case to refute any of his concerns. At previous gigs, we used > either CMVC and therefore, just checked in/out the PDFs (never had to > deal w/ the Framemaker source files) or VSS, which meant that Framemaker > source files were not an issue. VSS handled them just fine. If anybody > can provide any insight whatsoever about using Framemaker and having > Clear Quest/Case as your source control tool that would be great. Is > there anything special that I have to do with the Framemaker source > files. (Right now, my SCM guy wants me to save them as XML files - I > can't intelligently explain as to why this is his reasoning), and I > don't see any need to link the Framemaker files in a book in Clear Case, > but he says that has to be done and he needs to figure out how. So, any > and all advice is appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance, > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Engineering Technical Writer > InsureWorx > 303-729-7733 > tvanboening at insureworx.com > *** > Keep Smiling - At least until you get your own way > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jmalin at jmalin.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jmalin%40jmalin.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >
table numbered lists in tables - can you define it?
Doh! That was it. Thanks, Peter. Peter Gold wrote: > Hi, Joaanne: > > Define the Numbering attribute in the Basic Properties of the table > format in the table designer as Column First. > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > > That Darned Writer wrote: ... >> I have numbered lists that I need to convert to tables. Is there a way >> to specify that the numbered lists show up in the cells >> down-then-across rather than across-then-down? Joanne Grey j_grey at writeangles.com Write Angles www.writeangles.com It doesn?t matter whom you are paired against; your opponent is always yourself. -Nakamura
Read/write rules question - retaining markup attribute
At 09:13 AM 10/19/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote:
>If you use the is fm property rule to translate a markup attribute to
>a FrameMaker property, the markup attribute does not also appear as a
>FrameMaker attribute.
>
>My question is, is there a way to do this so that the markup attribute
>does appear as a attribute of the element in Frame. I'd like to keep
>this value so I can test it in the edd and format the text in the table
>accordingly.
Daniel,
Why do you want to do so? The information is stored in both the FM and
XML representations of the document. As you've described, when you open an
XML document, FM uses the attribute value to set the table format. When you
save the FM document to XML, FM will export an attribute.
If you map the XML attribute to an FM attribute, there's no way to keep
the table format in synch with the attribute value. When you insert a new
table in a document, the Insert Table dialog box will appear, allowing you
to select a table format. Short of a plug-in or FrameScript, there's no way
to ensure that the selected table format is the same as an attribute value.
Furthermore, you can always change the format of an existing table within
FM. Again, there's no way to validate that you've changed an attribute
value as well.
Nevertheless, if you really want to do so, you might be able to use the
rule:
attribute "otherprops" {
is fm property table format;
is fm attribute;
}
If this does work (and I don't have time to test it now), I suspect the
actual table format rather than the attribute value is used on export.
--Lynne
Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development,
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
table numbered lists in tables - can you define it?
Joanne, On the Basic page of the Table Designer, set Numbering to Column First. --Lynne At 09:35 AM 10/19/2006, That Darned Writer wrote: >Hi Frame gurus... I may have known this but forgotten. I checked the >archives and the online help and didn't see anything there, so I'm coming >to the folks who know. > >I have numbered lists that I need to convert to tables. Is there a way to >specify that the numbered lists show up in the cells down-then-across >rather than across-then-down? > >When I convert them now, the table order is: > >1. | 2. | 3. | >___ >4. | 5. | 6. | > >and what I want is: > >1. | 3. | 5. | >_ >2. | 4. | 6. | > Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
Read/write rules question - retaining markup attribute
At 09:41 AM 10/20/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote: >Thanks, it works perfectly. The name of the table format and the >attribute value are the same, so no problems there. Daniel, Just remember that it is the user's responsibility to keep the attribute value and table format the same. --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
table numbered lists in tables - can you define it?
Hi, Joaanne: Define the Numbering attribute in the Basic Properties of the table format in the table designer as Column First. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices That Darned Writer wrote: > Hi Frame gurus... I may have known this but forgotten. I checked the > archives and the online help and didn't see anything there, so I'm > coming to the folks who know. > > I have numbered lists that I need to convert to tables. Is there a way > to specify that the numbered lists show up in the cells > down-then-across rather than across-then-down? > > When I convert them now, the table order is: > > 1. | 2. | 3. | > ___ > 4. | 5. | 6. | > > and what I want is: > > 1. | 3. | 5. | > _ > 2. | 4. | 6. | > > > Thanks in advance! > -joanne > >
OT: MIL specs (was RE: general publication quiestion)
Daniel Emory wrote: > The fact is that the US military is the only true laboratory > where technical documentation is subjected to extensive > post-publication review to determine its effectiveness in the > real world. Findings resulting from analyses of actual > foul-ups lead to continuing improvements in tech manual > instructions. Those who write manuals for non-military > applications ought to also take advantage of that laboratory. First there was "only one way." Now there's the "only true laboratory." I'm seeing a pattern here... Ever hear the (chiefly British) expression "horses for courses"? :-) Don't get me wrong -- I'm a huge fan of the US military (especially when they're killing Islamofascists). I donate to Soldier's Angels, the USO, VFW, PVA, ... But if some edict were to declare that henceforth all technical documentation everywhere must be done to MIL specs, I suspect I'd change professions or retire. At the least, I'd have to go on anti-depressants. ;-) Happy weekend! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
OT: MIL specs (was RE: general publication quiestion)
Daniel Emory wrote: > Certainly I don't advocate the use of MIL specs for preparing > commercial manuals. I do know, however, that most tech > writers who produce manuals for commercial products remain > blissfully unaware of the problems caused by their outputs. A valid point. Although some of us, at least, aren't _blissful_ about it. Resigned, maybe. Sometimes whining and grumbling. > All I was trying to say is that tech writers in the > non-military world should take advantage of remedial measures > taken by the military to minimize foul-ups. True, when they're applicable. But don't forget the two most important concepts in the technical communications field: (1) It depends. (2) Know your audience. When your audience includes HS grads and GEDs, and they may be under stress, in a hurry, or otherwise highly distracted, and the consequences of a communication failure may be grave -- well, that's a bit different, I suspect, from telling UNIX system administrators how to upgrade the boot server software for their teleconferencing bridges. Software engineers, in particular, are often very literal-minded and Spockian. I've actually had an engineer point to an "Intentionally Blank" page (in another company's manual) and say, "A page is only blank if there's nothing on it." :-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Multiple Volume Documentation Set
Hello, We use Frame for basically what you're talking about, I believe. We have several versions of our main software product and the previous writers set up the documentation using variables and different color text to indicate which words/paragraphs belongs to what version. It works fairly well, but can be a tad confusing. One of the reasons for this is the color choices for the variable text. There are three shades of blue involved, and there's not THAT much separation between the shades. I think a better plan, if possible, is to use a number of files and pull them in where needed, if you have a large amount of common material between them. However, when you're talking about simply a paragraph here and there interspersed between paragraphs of common material, that approach probably isn't very feasible. Sam Beard Technical Communications - Special Projects CTES, LP 936 521-2241 Click the logo or link to help me raise money to cure Multiple Sclerosis when I ride my bicycle in the BP MS 150 April 21-22, 2007! http://ms150.org/edon.cfm?id=189917 -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of kgrace Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:32 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Multiple Volume Documentation Set Has anyone used Framemaker for the purpose of generating a complete reference set i.e., extensive use of volumes? I would like to see if someone can provide me with some direction on setting up a file structure and/or any gotchas awaiting me for setting up this documentation. I am faced with a project in which I think Framemaker was designed. To this point I have used framemake for the purpose of developing one book but never multiple books i.e., using the volume feature for each of the books. This project is going to require that I produce a series of books ie., maintenance procedures, safety procedures, code compliance issues etc., for multiple plants/locations. I would guess I am going to need to develop about 10 volumes and to further complicate things these volumes would need to be developed for multiple locations. My initial thought was to develop these documents and make extensive use of variables (for the purpose of inserting the various plant names where required) and conditional text to put information that is specific to the particular plants. As I mentioned I would be interested in any information on doing a large project like this. I have not been able to find much online for this type of project. Any help is greatly appreciated ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sam.beard at ctes.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sam.beard%40ctes.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Link from HTML to PDF
Spreadbury, David wrote: > Pat, You want to set the Document Properties > Initial View to force > the PDF to open on the specific page. > > > > From: > framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.com on > behalf of Pat Christenson Sent: Wed 10/18/2006 12:32 PM To: framers > List Subject: Link from HTML to PDF > > > > Hi - > > My client wants to link from an HTML webpage to a specific page in a > PDF doc. The PDF is created from FrameMaker. Anyone know how to do > this? Thanks. > David, I don't think that's the answer Pat needs. Your solution would cause the PDF to *always* open on the specific page, whereas the requirement is only that it open there when launched from a particular link. Other links might require other pages as targets, and the pdf might also be used as a stand-alone document that should open at the cover or TOC. I think Rick Q. had the better approach with named destinations. Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
