Re: Assessing a document's reading level
So far as I know, there aren't any FM plug-ins that do this, but bullfighter at http://www.fightthebull.com/bullfighter.asp is great for Word files (and FM saved as .rtf). You have to make a few adjustments, for instance if you don't end bullet list items with periods so they're viewed as sentences, but otherwise, it's useful. Especially useful for giving to non-writers. ;- ) Art On 10/24/06, Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know of a tool or plugin or FrameScript for FM that can assess reading level of a document? My only idea is to convert to RTF and use Word's spelling/grammar checker to get the reading ease and grade level scores. Ideally, there would be a plugin to provide this for FM? At this point, I'm not picky about whether it could provide Flesch Reading Ease or Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level scores or both - anything is better than nothing at all. ;-) For that matter, if there's not such a thing for FM, perhaps there would be something that could work with PDF files? I have googled on all the keywords that come to mind, without success. Surely someone on this list is in the know! :-) Thanks, Rene -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conferences
Hmm... LavaCon in Hawai'i is a good option. :-) http://www.lavacon.org/ I seriously thought about extending my vacation to stay for the conference this year (my last day in Hawai'i was the first day of the conference earlier this month). Also one of the Frame Chatauquas or DITA 2007 would be high on my list. http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/ Carla cmartinek|zebra|com 1027 - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value
Hi Lynne, Does this mean that I should change the attribute type in the DTD to NMTOKENS? (At the moment it's CDATA.) I tried this but nothing changed. Have I done the wrong thing? Thanks for your help, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office -Original Message- From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:57 PM To: Daniel Osborn; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value At 10:27 AM 10/24/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote: In Framemaker, when you add more than one value to an attribute of type 'Strings', the values have to be separated by a line break. When you save the file as .xml the values of the attribute are written into one string separated by spaces. No problem there except that when you open the file again in Framemaker the values are also written on one line separated by spaces. Is there any way to reintroduce the line breaks into the attribute value when the file is opened in Framemaker? Daniel, The FrameMaker attribute type Strings corresponds roughly to the XML attribute NMTOKENS. XML, however, restricts the different tokens to name characters and FM does not. In particular, FM permits white space within a particular string and XML does not. When FM opens an XML document that has a DTD, it interprets spaces within the value of a NMTOKENS attribute as a token separator. It displays each token on a separate line in the Structure View and in the Attributes window and dialog box. --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value
Hi Lynne, I've changed the type of the attribute in the DTD, but it doesn't have any effect. The attributes still appear in one line separated by spaces. Perhaps I should rephrase my second question (not wishing to give the wrong impression). Is there anything else I need to do to get this to work? Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office -Original Message- From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:47 PM To: Daniel Osborn; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value At 06:33 AM 10/26/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote: Does this mean that I should change the attribute type in the DTD to NMTOKENS? (At the moment it's CDATA.) I tried this but nothing changed. Have I done the wrong thing? Daniel, Yes, you want the attribute type in the DTD to be NMTOKENS. And,I have no idea if you've done the wrong thing! --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
page numbering
Hi all, Is there a way to override the page numbering for a single page in a document in Frame 7.0? I'm working on a revision to a manual. In this revision, I need to add new information to a chapter that is 176 pages long. The new information needs to go after page 31, which means that not only would this page be included in the revision, but all the subsequent pages would have to be added, as well, because even thought the information is the same, the page numbers all shifted by one. I'd rather not print 146 pages when I only need to make one page of actual content change. So, is there a way to add a page and call it 31-a, without causing all the other page numbers to change? I tried to search the archives on the FrameUsers website, but it appears the site is temporarily down. Thanks, dave. -- If you're having trouble getting inspired about something, it's probably because you're temporarily lacking inspiration. That's what you need. You need inspiration. -43 Folders www.43folders.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT from Frame: batch multi-page PDF to singles
Hello all, Can't seem to think, if there is a way to easily . . . change many multi-page PDF files and 'somehow' batch process them to individual PDF pages without the manual process of 'Extracting page' in Acrobat. I do not have the source file(s) so I can't print each as individual PDFs. Prefer free plug-in if possible. Anyone care to share a thought? Acrobat 6.0.5 Pro many thanks, Diana Stock Southwest Airlines Maintenance Training 214-792-7433 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Assessing a document's reading level
Hi Rene, I do have a FrameScript script that calculates both Flesch Reading Ease and Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level scores for a FrameMaker document. If anyone is interested in this, please contact me offlist. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hi All, Does anyone know of a tool or plugin or FrameScript for FM that can assess reading level of a document? My only idea is to convert to RTF and use Word's spelling/grammar checker to get the reading ease and grade level scores. Ideally, there would be a plugin to provide this for FM? At this point, I'm not picky about whether it could provide Flesch Reading Ease or Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level scores or both - anything is better than nothing at all. ;-) For that matter, if there's not such a thing for FM, perhaps there would be something that could work with PDF files? I have googled on all the keywords that come to mind, without success. Surely someone on this list is in the know! :-) Thanks, Rene Rene L. Stephenson eNovative Solutions, Inc. Business Phone: 678-513-0051 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional text page problem
All, We are making our first venture into conditional text, with two files of three conditions per file. (FrameMaker 7.1 with current patches, XP sp2) The main problem so far is that pages from a condition of longer text remain as blanks when a condition with shorter content is applied. For example, when the 10 page condition B is changed to the 5 page condition A, condition A text contains 5 blank pages from the longer B. My colleague who is working this has so far not figured out how to easily apply condition A without the blank B pages. By our sense, the pages should be removed along with the page text when A is applied without requiring further finagling. I vaguely recall something related to this on the list recently, but I was unable to locate it and the site database is down this morning. Thanks, Mike Mike Long Team Leader, User Documentation Medstat http://www.medstat.com 734-913-3975 Phone 734-913-3200 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conferences
Hey, guys...I'm starting to put together my wishlist for next year and I'd like to include a conference. What are the cool conferences going on next year and where? In other words, if you could pick one, what would you pick? BTW...let's keep it to technical writing, a Trekkie conference probably wouldn't go over well. Thanks John Posada Senior Technical Writer I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Assessing a document's reading level
You could create your own tool in Frame Script. Talk to Rick Quatro about this if you don't know Frame Script. Rick is on this list. Thanks, Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:06 AM To: framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: Assessing a document's reading level Hi All, Does anyone know of a tool or plugin or FrameScript for FM that can assess reading level of a document? My only idea is to convert to RTF and use Word's spelling/grammar checker to get the reading ease and grade level scores. Ideally, there would be a plugin to provide this for FM? At this point, I'm not picky about whether it could provide Flesch Reading Ease or Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level scores or both - anything is better than nothing at all. ;-) For that matter, if there's not such a thing for FM, perhaps there would be something that could work with PDF files? I have googled on all the keywords that come to mind, without success. Surely someone on this list is in the know! :-) Thanks, Rene Rene L. Stephenson eNovative Solutions, Inc. Business Phone: 678-513-0051 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conferences
For non-management topics, WritersUA. For management topics, LavaCon. On 10/25/06, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, guys...I'm starting to put together my wishlist for next year and I'd like to include a conference. What are the cool conferences going on next year and where? In other words, if you could pick one, what would you pick? BTW...let's keep it to technical writing, a Trekkie conference probably wouldn't go over well. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value
At 10:27 AM 10/24/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote: In Framemaker, when you add more than one value to an attribute of type 'Strings', the values have to be separated by a line break. When you save the file as .xml the values of the attribute are written into one string separated by spaces. No problem there except that when you open the file again in Framemaker the values are also written on one line separated by spaces. Is there any way to reintroduce the line breaks into the attribute value when the file is opened in Framemaker? Daniel, The FrameMaker attribute type Strings corresponds roughly to the XML attribute NMTOKENS. XML, however, restricts the different tokens to name characters and FM does not. In particular, FM permits white space within a particular string and XML does not. When FM opens an XML document that has a DTD, it interprets spaces within the value of a NMTOKENS attribute as a token separator. It displays each token on a separate line in the Structure View and in the Attributes window and dialog box. --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value
Hi Daniel... I'm pretty sure that Strings values are space-delimited .. at least whenever I've worked with them they have been. I don't think you'll have much success maintaining a newline in an attribute value. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Daniel Osborn wrote: Hi, In Framemaker, when you add more than one value to an attribute of type 'Strings', the values have to be separated by a line break. When you save the file as .xml the values of the attribute are written into one string separated by spaces. No problem there except that when you open the file again in Framemaker the values are also written on one line separated by spaces. Is there any way to reintroduce the line breaks into the attribute value when the file is opened in Framemaker? Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can't Save a 7.0 Book file in 7.2
Hello, I recently upgraded to 7.2, running XP. I opened a book file I had (originally created in FM 7.0), made some changes and then tried to save it but receive the message: The document was saved to a temporary file, but Framemaker can't rename it to have the correct name. The newer version has an odd suffix. I have not tried to change the name of the book and the suffix is .book Google had one item about this, where one person said it was related to anti-virus software (highly unlikely in my opinion) and then the original poster came back to say that it appeared to have something to do with accessing the file over his company's network. My file is checked out from SourceSafe, if that has anything to do with it, but??? Can anyone shed some light on this problem? TIA Terilyn Gillespie Technical Communications Specialist Development Dimensions International, Inc.(DDI) 1225 Washington Pike Bridgeville, PA 15017 412.220.2614 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unleashing Executive Talent. Hiring Promoting The Best. Developing Extraordinary Leaders. Discover how at www.ddiworld.com http://www.ddiworld.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How do I add a Tab to a Marker using Glossary
I suspect that you're seeing the result of FrameMaker's handling of tab stops. I'm guessing that the paragraph tag that is being used for the collected glossary items lacks a defined tab stop position. Without one or more defined tab positions (and the default is to have none), you can type as many tab characters as you want (manually or via an escape code in a dialog box), and FrameMaker won't budge so much as a single point. Open the Paragraph Designer from your glossary file and make sure that the Basic properties sheet shows a tab defined at an appropriate location. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Waltermeyer Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:53 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: How do I add a Tab to a Marker using Glossary I have a generated file for my acronyms and abbreviations. I am using FM on a PC. When we used FM on a MAC we would just put in the Marker box (Glossary) and type: JHU/APL\tThe Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory And then press edit marker Once we are done with marking all other acronyms, we would generate the file. It would put the tab for us and we would have list: JHU/APL The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory etc.. On the PC side when we do this we do not get the Tab in our generated file It shows up as: JHU/APL\tThe Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory No Tab. How do I put in a tab in the Marker box and get it to generate properly? Brenda L. Waltermeyer Lead Desktop Publisher The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory National Security Technology Department Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section Room 8-375 Phone: (443) 778-8748 ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Phantom RGB objects in 2-color PDF
I originally posted this to the FrameMaker for OS X group, but I have now refined the problem description after a few hours frustrating work... FrameMaker 7.0 for Mac, AdobePS driver 8.8.0(301), PDF PPD, Acrobat 6 Pro Distiller settings, custom, Press default plus leave color unchanged, no image compression One Pantone spot plus grayscale, job must print as 2-color process. Preflighting in Acrobat Pro 6 indicates the presence of phantom RGB objects on top edge of page. These are invisible and cannot be selected with object touch-up tool, but are highlighted by double-clicking in preflight window. If I start with a completely blank document that contains one character, preflighting indicates no phantom RGB objects. If I define Pantone 652 CVU as a spot color, set color view to show that and black, with white as cutout, and apply the color to the single character in the document, the PDF then indicates a phantom RGB object on the top page edge when preflighted in Acrobat 6 Pro and indicates the need for five plates. This is crazy: what is going on? If you're out there today, Dov, I'd really appreciate your insight on this - or anyone else with color experience in FrameMaker. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF editing issues
Maybe you can edit the PDF file through PitStop which a cool tool edit texts and graphics in a PDF. Good luck. Sangdy Shenton, David (DTRN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some weird things happening with Adobe Acrobat 6.0 when attempting to delete text in a 200 page pdf. I was given an old file to edit and I'm not sure what program the source file came from. Using the Touchup Text Tool to delete text nothing happens, but when I click off the page and go back to the edited page the text is deleted. Other times I'm unable to edit the text because of font issues, what do fonts have to do with editing text and how can I correct this. Has anybody got any ideas? Dave ** The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error you should notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from your system and notify your system manager. Please do not copy it for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sangdyyh%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: use of terms - screen, page, and window
For all the writers on this list who have had to define a solid list of terms in their Styles and Standards: Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I would like to use page, especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style for Tech. Pubs), a screen is defined as the graphic portion of a visual output device and this definition cross-references display and monitor. For the pop-ups that may open when a user clicks on an option on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am wanting to use the following terms: Page Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page) Tabs (available on the page) Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from similar experiences? TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Engineering Technical Writer InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company 303-729-7733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Keep Smiling - At least until you get your own way ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Use of page vs. window vs. screen
All, Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I would like to use page, especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style for Tech. Pubs), a screen is defined as the graphic portion of a visual output device and this definition cross-references display and monitor. For the pop-ups that may open when a user clicks on an option on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am wanting to use the following terms: Page Pop-up Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page) Tabs (available on the page) Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from similar experiences? TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Engineering Technical Writer InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company 303-729-7733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Keep Smiling - At least until you get your own way ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value
At 06:33 AM 10/26/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote: Does this mean that I should change the attribute type in the DTD to NMTOKENS? (At the moment it's CDATA.) I tried this but nothing changed. Have I done the wrong thing? Daniel, Yes, you want the attribute type in the DTD to be NMTOKENS. And,I have no idea if you've done the wrong thing! --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
General TW question
All, Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I would like to use page, especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style for Tech. Pubs), a screen is defined as the graphic portion of a visual output device and this definition cross-references display and monitor. For the pop-ups that may open when a user clicks on an option on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am wanting to use the following terms: Page Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page) Tabs (available on the page) Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from similar experiences? TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Engineering Technical Writer InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company 303-729-7733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Keep Smiling - At least until you get your own way ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Applying para format to top-left cell in table
I'm struggling with context rules here.
I need to apply a specific para format in the top-left cell of a table. The
tables structure is:
TableType
|
TableHeading
|
TableRow
|
TableCell
|
Para --- context rule to fire here
|
TableCell
|
Para
TableBody
|
TableRow
|
TableCell
|
Para
|
TableCell
|
Para (etc)
The problem is that there seems to be no way to formulate a context rule that
identifies the para element shown above, because although it's enclosing cell
would fire a unique {first} rule, the rule must actually be in the para
element's rule set, and there's no way to say 'if your parent is first,
then...'. Or is there?
Clearly, changing the table structure so that it used a different structure
might help, but there's too much existing material for that.
--
Steve
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Re: Master pages refuse to be applied: RESOLVED
I previously posted about some really weird things to do with master pages that apparently 'refused' to be applied. I thought folks might be interested in the reasons for what turned out to be, not one illusion, but two. I was suffering from two 'problems': 1. In one part of the book, the body pages apparently refused to accept a change to the height of the main text frame on the master page. 2. Some pages appeared to 'reject' the master pages by refusing to display a page number. Issue 1 was caused by a weirdness to do with the page zoom. Although all parts of the book had the same page size and the same zoom setting, without my noticing it, the problem section (the Preface) was not actually displaying the entire page to the top, leading to the visual illusion that the main text flow was the wrong height. Only a careful comparison of the vertical ruler revealed this. I have no idea of its cause, but dropping the zoom by 5% for all parts of the book 'cured' the 'problem'. Issue 2 was a little more subtle. Again in the preface, the right page footer contained a Running H/F and a Roman page number. The Running H/F was not actually used in the Preface, and contained one blank space. On one page, and one page only, xxvii (which should have been a clue), the right-tab stop settings of the footer interacted to prevent the page number being displayed at all, leading to the illusion that the master page was not being applied. A small adjustment to the tab stop preceding the page number restored it. Moral: things often 'aint what they seem. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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RE: page numbering
Here's one direct (i.e. brute force) approach: If page 131 is in the middle of a chapter, split the chapter into two files, one that ends with page 131 and one that starts with page 132. Set the pagination for the first half to Delete empty pages and set the pagination for the second half to start on Next available (which option is only available from the book window) or Left if you're working with duplex pages. Change the numbering properties of the second half from Continue from previous file to start with 132. If page 131 is already the last page in a chapter you skip the step if splitting the chapter. Then just make the new content a separate file that you'll include in the book between the two halves. Modify this file's master page(s) to use a two-part page number, one half of which will be the regular page number system variable that you'll set to use numeric format beginning with a or A, and the other half of which is the text string 131 (or 131- if you prefer). You can either enter that text directly on the master page, or use the $volnum system variable if you're not already using it. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave kerschbaum Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:46 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: page numbering Hi all, Is there a way to override the page numbering for a single page in a document in Frame 7.0? I'm working on a revision to a manual. In this revision, I need to add new information to a chapter that is 176 pages long. The new information needs to go after page 31, which means that not only would this page be included in the revision, but all the subsequent pages would have to be added, as well, because even thought the information is the same, the page numbers all shifted by one. I'd rather not print 146 pages when I only need to make one page of actual content change. So, is there a way to add a page and call it 31-a, without causing all the other page numbers to change? I tried to search the archives on the FrameUsers website, but it appears the site is temporarily down. Thanks, dave. -- If you're having trouble getting inspired about something, it's probably because you're temporarily lacking inspiration. That's what you need. You need inspiration. -43 Folders www.43folders.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Converting unstructured to structured FrameMaker
I have a large project coming up that involves converting unstructured FrameMaker docs to structured FrameMaker (7.1 on Windows). Does anyone know of any helpful websites or documentation to get through this as quickly and efficiently as possible? Thanks. Pat Christenson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Master pages refuse to be applied: RESOLVED
I previously posted about some really weird things to do with master pages that apparently 'refused' to be applied. I thought folks might be interested in the reasons for what turned out to be, not one illusion, but two. I was suffering from two 'problems': 1. In one part of the book, the body pages apparently refused to accept a change to the height of the main text frame on the master page. 2. Some pages appeared to 'reject' the master pages by refusing to display a page number. Issue 1 was caused by a weirdness to do with the page zoom. Although all parts of the book had the same page size and the same zoom setting, without my noticing it, the problem section (the Preface) was not actually displaying the entire page to the top, leading to the visual illusion that the main text flow was the wrong height. Only a careful comparison of the vertical ruler revealed this. I have no idea of its cause, but dropping the zoom by 5% for all parts of the book 'cured' the 'problem'. Issue 2 was a little more subtle. Again in the preface, the right page footer contained a Running H/F and a Roman page number. The Running H/F was not actually used in the Preface, and contained one blank space. On one page, and one page only, xxvii (which should have been a clue), the right-tab stop settings of the footer interacted to prevent the page number being displayed at all, leading to the illusion that the master page was not being applied. A small adjustment to the tab stop preceding the page number restored it. Moral: things often 'aint what they seem. -- Steve
page numbering
Here's one direct (i.e. brute force) approach: If page 131 is in the middle of a chapter, split the chapter into two files, one that ends with page 131 and one that starts with page 132. Set the pagination for the first half to "Delete empty pages" and set the pagination for the second half to start on "Next available" (which option is only available from the book window) or "Left" if you're working with duplex pages. Change the numbering properties of the second half from "Continue from previous file" to start with 132. If page 131 is already the last page in a chapter you skip the step if splitting the chapter. Then just make the new content a separate file that you'll include in the book between the two halves. Modify this file's master page(s) to use a two-part page number, one half of which will be the regular page number system variable that you'll set to use numeric format beginning with "a" or "A", and the other half of which is the text string "131" (or "131-" if you prefer). You can either enter that text directly on the master page, or use the $volnum system variable if you're not already using it. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of dave kerschbaum Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:46 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: page numbering Hi all, Is there a way to override the page numbering for a single page in a document in Frame 7.0? I'm working on a revision to a manual. In this revision, I need to add new information to a chapter that is 176 pages long. The new information needs to go after page 31, which means that not only would this page be included in the revision, but all the subsequent pages would have to be added, as well, because even thought the information is the same, the page numbers all shifted by one. I'd rather not print 146 pages when I only need to make one page of actual content change. So, is there a way to add a page and call it 31-a, without causing all the other page numbers to change? I tried to search the archives on the FrameUsers website, but it appears the site is temporarily down. Thanks, dave. -- If you're having trouble getting inspired about something, it's probably because you're temporarily lacking inspiration. That's what you need. You need inspiration. -43 Folders ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as fred.ridder at intel.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Converting unstructured to structured FrameMaker
I have a large project coming up that involves converting unstructured FrameMaker docs to structured FrameMaker (7.1 on Windows). Does anyone know of any helpful websites or documentation to get through this as quickly and efficiently as possible? Thanks. Pat Christenson
