Chapter title

[ETudsbery]

Hello Framers,

FM 7.2

I'm designing a new template, and I would like a chapter paragraph style
with the chapter number on one line and the paragraph text on the line
below. Given that it's not possible to enter a forced return in the
Autonumber format for the chapter paragraph style, I was wondering about
the best method to achieve this. If I enter a soft return after entering
the chapter paragraph style, this creates a soft return in the
corresponding table of contents, which then has to be manually removed. So,
I'm not keen on that. Is the best method just to put a lot of spaces in the
Autonumber format box to force the paragraph text onto the next line? Are
there any drawbacks (perhaps with conversion to PDF or online help)?

Thanks,

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How do you count the total number of words in a FM book

[Bruce Foster]

Hi Esar,

You can do that with the BookInfo plugin:

http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/BookInfo.htm

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Does anyone have a method of counting the total number of words in a
Framemaker book?  I know I can count the number of words in a file in a
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but is there some way of doing this on the book??
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Re: Internal Error

[Fred Wersan]

The way to avoid an internal error when you do a search in a Frame 7.1 
book is to open all the files in the book before you search. Or upgrade 
to a newer version of Frame, which supposedly fixes the bug.

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Re: PDF email links

[Art Campbell]

Yes, you can.

Highlight your link text.
Special  Hypertext  To to URL
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Art

On Feb 8, 2008 12:05 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers that allow
 tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new email in the email
 application and prepopulate the address and subject line.



 However, I can't seem to remember how its done or find any reference to
 it in the documentation either (Frame 7.2)



 Is this possible and what is the format?



 Is there a way to populate the subject line with context relevant
 information, such as the current topic title?



 Thanks in advance

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RE: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker

[russ]

Valerie,
 
Perhaps, then, your XML equivalent is not representative of what you are 
actually seeing, because that example you provided does put the text inside the 
desired element. If the text is actually not being wrapped, something is wrong 
with your conversion table.
 
Note that if you are generating your TOC based on elements and those elements 
have context labels, the context labels appear in parenthesis for the TOC 
formats. For example, a Heading element with a context label of 1 would 
generate the Heading(1)TOC format in the TOC.  For some reason, when you 
reference these formats in a conversion table, you need to escape the 
parenthesis with backslashes. I don't know why this is.  Something like:
 
Wrap this object or objects In this element
 
P:Heading\(1\)TOC   TOC1
P:Heading\(2\)TOC   TOC2

It seems like you may have already gotten that part, so if so, please 
disregard. One other item of note is that there may not be any good reason to 
preserve the inherent hierarchy of a TOC in the structure, unless some post 
process depends on it. Otherwise, because the TOC is autogenerated, there is no 
value to the added complexity of structural hierarchy. In other words, you 
might be able to get away with somthing like:

TOC
| 
| - TOC1
|
| - TOC2
| 
| - TOC2
| 
| - TOC3
| 
| - TOC2
| 
| - TOC1

etc.

In any case, you should be able to structure a TOC with a valid structure in 
the end. I've done it many times.

All this does beg the question, though, of why you want to do this. I used to 
do it out of a sense of purity, but finally realized that it had no value to 
me. If you are exporting XML, I'd think that any post-process would do its own 
contents and indexing.

If all else fails and you really need this, send me a sample TOC and your 
conversion table. I should be able to find your problem without too much 
trouble.

Russ
 
 

 

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured
Framemaker
From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, February 08, 2008 1:36 pm
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Hi Russ,

Thanks for replying!

The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the 
Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the red 
vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure.

If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and 
I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do in 
the EDD, please advise.

Val

On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Valerie,

I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. 
However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based 
on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up 
with this:


Heading /Level/TOC
hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document
/Heading /Level/TOC


Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and 
looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs.

Rudd

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800
From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
- Need Help
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and
Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the
TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to
impose structure on the generated TOC.

As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in
the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that
captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the
TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure;
i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the
structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was
absent in the EDD.

I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the
hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I
imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called
hypertext.

When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as
follows:

Heading /Level/TOC
hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document
/Heading /Level/TOC

What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer?

Thanks in advance,
--
Valerie Lipow
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PDF email links

[Robert.Werner]

I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers that allow
tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new email in the email
application and prepopulate the address and subject line.

 

However, I can't seem to remember how its done or find any reference to
it in the documentation either (Frame 7.2)

 

Is this possible and what is the format?

 

Is there a way to populate the subject line with context relevant
information, such as the current topic title?

 

Thanks in advance

Robert Werner 




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Re: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker

[Valerie Lipow]

Hi Russ,

Thanks for replying!

The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the
Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the
red vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure.

If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and
I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do
in the EDD, please advise.

Val

On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Valerie,

 I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help.
 However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because
 based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you
 ended up with this:


 Heading /Level/TOC
 hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext
 .the text of the Heading in the .fm document
 /Heading /Level/TOC


 Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and
 looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs.

 Rudd

 Message: 21
 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800
 From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
 - Need Help
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC
 and
 Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure
 the
 TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to
 impose structure on the generated TOC.

 As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in
 the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that
 captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the
 TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the
 structure;
 i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the
 structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker
 was
 absent in the EDD.

 I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the
 hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I
 imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called
 hypertext.

 When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as
 follows:

 Heading /Level/TOC
 hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext
 .the text of the Heading in the .fm document
 /Heading /Level/TOC

 What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer?

 Thanks in advance,
 --
 Valerie Lipow
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RE: PDF email links

[Combs, Richard]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers 
 that allow tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new 
 email in the email application and prepopulate the address 
 and subject line.

Art replied: 

 Highlight your link text.
 Special  Hypertext  To to URL
 message URL mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Adding to what Art said, don't forget to apply a char tag to the link
text (or the link will extend to the end of the pgf). And you specify a
subject using ?subject= (this isn't an FM thing, it's an HTML thing),
so the Go to URL command looks like this: 

message URL mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Is there a way to populate the subject line with context 
 relevant information, such as the current topic title?

Wouldn't each hyperlink have its own context? The link is in a topic,
right? Paste the topic title in when you create the link. You might be
able to script the whole process, but the the title has to go into the
link at the time of its creation; there's no way to for Acrobat to look
it up later. 

HTH!
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How to count the words in a FrameMaker book

[Debra Wible]

Here's a quick and dirty workaround for how to count the words in a
FrameMaker book:
 
Count the spaces!
 
The result will not be exact, but will be enlightening. It takes about 2
minutes.
 
I tested this on FrameMaker 7:
 
1) Make a COPY of your book (to protect the original).
2) Open the book file.
3) Open the title page.
4) Invoke the Find/Change dialog (Ctrl F on Windows).
5) In the Look in: field, select Book (not Document)
6) In the Find field, enter a space.
7) In the Replace field, enter a space.
8) Click on Change All. A warning appears.
9) Click on OK. The hourglass appears for awhile.
10) A message with the count appears.
For example: Made 88724 changes in book
 
 
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Re: FrameMaker doc attributes report

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Ken:


On Feb 8, 2008 7:51 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's been awhile since I tried this, but isn't there a way to get a printout 
 of the attrubutes of a FrameMaker document (especially the master page frame 
 object dimensions).

 I think the Paragraph Tools plug-in will give me the paragraph attributes 
 stuff, ut I really need the various object properties data on the master 
 pages.

 It's either a plug-in of some kind or else do a screen shot and hand-write on 
 it what's what.


In the MIF, search for master. You'll find this:

Page
 Unique 256709
 PageType LeftMasterPage
 PageTag `Left'
 PageSize  8.5 11.0
 PageOrientation Portrait
 PageAngle  0.0
 TextRect
  ID 13
  Unique 578393
  Pen 15
  Fill 15
  PenWidth  1.0 pt
  Separation 0
  ObColor `Black'
  DashedPattern
   DashedStyle Solid
   # end of DashedPattern
  RunaroundGap  0.0 pt
  RunaroundType None
  ShapeRect  0.75 1.417 6.75 8.3428
  BRect  0.75 1.417 6.75 8.3428
  TRNumColumns 1
  TRColumnGap  0.25
  TRColumnBalance No
  TRSideheadWidth  1.70833
  TRSideheadGap  0.16667
  TRSideheadPlacement Left
  TRNext 0
  # end of TextRect
 PolyLine
  Unique 577976
  Pen 0
  PenWidth  0.25 pt
  HeadCap Butt
  TailCap Butt
  NumPoints 2
  Point  0.75 0.5739
  Point  7.5 0.5739
  # end of PolyLine
 TextRect
  ID 14
  Unique 578394
  Pen 15
  PenWidth  1.0 pt
  ShapeRect  0.75 0.6829 6.75 0.211
  BRect  0.75 0.6829 6.75 0.211
  TRNumColumns 1
  TRColumnGap  0.25
  TRColumnBalance No
  TRSideheadWidth  1.5
  TRSideheadGap  0.25
  TRSideheadPlacement Left
  TRNext 0
  # end of TextRect
 PolyLine
  Unique 577980
  Pen 0
  PenWidth  0.25 pt
  HeadCap Square
  TailCap Square
  NumPoints 2
  Point  0.75 9.9538
  Point  7.5 9.9538
  # end of PolyLine
 TextRect
  ID 15
  Unique 578395
  Pen 15
  PenWidth  1.0 pt
  ShapeRect  0.75 10.057 6.75 0.1569
  BRect  0.75 10.057 6.75 0.1569
  TRNumColumns 1
  TRColumnGap  0.25
  TRColumnBalance No
  TRSideheadWidth  1.5
  TRSideheadGap  0.25
  TRSideheadPlacement Left
  TRNext 0
  # end of TextRect
 # end of Page

I don't have MIFmucker or other MIF exploring tools installed, and I
can't remember how they report this kind of information. Probably a
text cruncher could extract these blocks of information and even strip
them down to the essentials you want.The text rectangles aren't
described by their dimensions, but by the top, left, and bottom, right
corner coordinates, and units. You'd need to do the math.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Great News! Formatted index marker bug in FM8 fixed

[Tina Ricks]

Hi all,

 

Just got off the phone with Adobe support, and the great news is that my bug
with index markers appears to be fixed. I just installed the 8.0p273 patch
(came out about 3 days ago).

 

The issue is index markers formatted with character formats occasionally
stack up incorrectly or disappear altogether.  The fix (before) was just
to remove all formatting from the markers.

 

I installed the patch, formatted some particularly difficult index markers
which always caused the bug before, and voila! My index entries are
formatted correctly. Life is good.

 

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RE: Chapter title

[Mike Feimster]

Edwin,

Instead of using the numbering properties for the paragraph, you can do
this on a custom master page. If you don't already have one, create a
custom master page and call it something like FirstPageChapter. In the
master page header, insert the Chapter Number variable along with any
text you want on that line (such as Chapter). Make any other changes
you want to adjust the margins of the page. Then apply the
FirstPageChapter master page to the page with the chapter title.

For the table of contents, you'll need to modify the TOC reference page.
Generate a toc and then view the TOC reference page. Assuming you are
using a paragraph style called ChapterTitle, look for a line that uses
the ChapterTitleToc style. Before the $paratext variable, enter the
$chapnum variable. You'll need to type this, instead of entering it
via the Special menu. You can also enter text. For example, on of mine
looks lie this:

Chapter $chapnum )$paratext )... $pagenum

The ) indicates a tab. The page number is right aligned and the tab
leaders are built into the tab.

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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Chapter title



Hello Framers,

FM 7.2

I'm designing a new template, and I would like a chapter paragraph style
with the chapter number on one line and the paragraph text on the line
below. Given that it's not possible to enter a forced return in the
Autonumber format for the chapter paragraph style, I was wondering about
the best method to achieve this. If I enter a soft return after entering
the chapter paragraph style, this creates a soft return in the
corresponding table of contents, which then has to be manually removed.
So,
I'm not keen on that. Is the best method just to put a lot of spaces in
the
Autonumber format box to force the paragraph text onto the next line?
Are
there any drawbacks (perhaps with conversion to PDF or online help)?

Thanks,

Edwin Tudsbery



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Re: PDF email links

[Stuart Rogers]

Art Campbell wrote:
 Yes, you can.
 
 Highlight your link text.
 Special  Hypertext  To to URL
 message URL mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I think you populate the subject line by adding a bit:

message URL mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

but I can't remember if you put a space before the ?-mark or if you need 
quotation marks anywhere... a few tests should tell you.

stuart
(vague and rushed, sorry!)


 
 Art
 
 On Feb 8, 2008 12:05 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers that allow
 tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new email in the email
 application and prepopulate the address and subject line.



 However, I can't seem to remember how its done or find any reference to
 it in the documentation either (Frame 7.2)



 Is this possible and what is the format?



 Is there a way to populate the subject line with context relevant
 information, such as the current topic title?



 Thanks in advance

 Robert Werner




 
 
 


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RE: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker

[russ]

Valerie,

I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. 
However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based 
on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up 
with this:


Heading /Level/TOC
hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document
/Heading /Level/TOC


Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and 
looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs.

Rudd

Message: 21
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800
From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
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I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and
Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the
TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to
impose structure on the generated TOC.

As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in
the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that
captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the
TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure;
i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the
structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was
absent in the EDD.

I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the
hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I
imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called
hypertext.

When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as
follows:

Heading /Level/TOC
hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document
/Heading /Level/TOC

What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Valerie Lipow
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FrameMaker doc attributes report

[poshedly]

It's been awhile since I tried this, but isn't there a way to get a printout of 
the attrubutes of a FrameMaker document (especially the master page frame 
object dimensions). 

I think the Paragraph Tools plug-in will give me the paragraph attributes 
stuff, ut I really need the various object properties data on the master pages.

It's either a plug-in of some kind or else do a screen shot and hand-write on 
it what's what.

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Headings disappear in FM document in UNIX environment

[Ankur Srivastava]

>
>  Hello Framers,
>

Some of the headings in the FM docs opened in UNIX environment (enterprise
VNC viewer) DO NOT appear, i.e., they remain invisible. But, they appear
once something is typed in the heading. However, as soon as the file is
saved, the headings again disappear. We use FM 7.0 and 7.1 are used for
documents.

Any possible solutions to this or why is this happening ??

regards
Ankur

Re [Ann]: How do you count the total number of words in a FM book

[frameus...@systec-gmbh.com]

... take TOOLBOX for FrameMaker 8: Module 'Statistics'

There is complete list as FM file about all countable information:
words, tables, images, ... in all languages

Information and Download:
www.toolboxforme.com

Georg Eck
(SYSTEC CEO and ACE)

Background Color Obscures Contents in PDF

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Jona:

On Feb 7, 2008 1:58 PM, Jona Steenbrink  
wrote:
> Hi
[snip]

> I have also tried creating a new master page with a background color
> and assigning that master page to the page with the diagram, but the
> results are the same as described above when saved as pdf
> It also doesn't appear to matter if I select overprint or knockout in
> the object or color properties.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on why "save to pdf" is behaving like
> this? Are there any settings I can change.
> Alternatively, if someone can tell me the correct way to accomplish
> what I am trying here, I would be immensely grateful.

It's not clear how you created the master page background color. If
you created a page-size colored rectangle not in an anchored frame,
and pasted it on top of the page, while it's selected, try Graphics >
Send to Back, to position it below the text frames for header, footer,
and main-flow text frame. The PDF should print correctly

Regards,

Peter
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Chapter title

[etudsb...@cpaglobal.com]

Hello Framers,

FM 7.2

I'm designing a new template, and I would like a chapter paragraph style
with the chapter number on one line and the paragraph text on the line
below. Given that it's not possible to enter a forced return in the
Autonumber format for the chapter paragraph style, I was wondering about
the best method to achieve this. If I enter a soft return after entering
the chapter paragraph style, this creates a soft return in the
corresponding table of contents, which then has to be manually removed. So,
I'm not keen on that. Is the best method just to put a lot of spaces in the
Autonumber format box to force the paragraph text onto the next line? Are
there any drawbacks (perhaps with conversion to PDF or online help)?

Thanks,

Edwin Tudsbery


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Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker

[r...@weststreetconsulting.com]

Valerie,

I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. 
However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based 
on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up 
with this:



 the link to the source in the .fm document 
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document



Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and 
looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs.

Rudd

Message: 21
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800
From: "Valerie Lipow" 
Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
- Need Help
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<808ccaab0802071127g667a1dcev388563a8d4463fd2 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and
Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the
TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to
impose structure on the generated TOC.

As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in
the Structure View that FM imposes a  element in the TOC that
captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the
TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure;
i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the
structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was
absent in the EDD.

I understood that because no  marker was in the EDD, the
 pointer ID in file.fm  was not recognized when I
imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called
.

When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as
follows:


 the link to the source in the .fm document 
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document


What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Valerie Lipow
vallipow at gmail.com

Chapter title

[Mike Feimster]

Edwin,

Instead of using the numbering properties for the paragraph, you can do
this on a custom master page. If you don't already have one, create a
custom master page and call it something like "FirstPageChapter". In the
master page header, insert the "Chapter Number" variable along with any
text you want on that line (such as "Chapter"). Make any other changes
you want to adjust the margins of the page. Then apply the
FirstPageChapter master page to the page with the chapter title.

For the table of contents, you'll need to modify the TOC reference page.
Generate a toc and then view the TOC reference page. Assuming you are
using a paragraph style called "ChapterTitle", look for a line that uses
the "ChapterTitleToc" style. Before the <$paratext> variable, enter the
"<$chapnum>" variable. You'll need to type this, instead of entering it
via the Special menu. You can also enter text. For example, on of mine
looks lie this:

Chapter <$chapnum> )<$paratext> )... <$pagenum>

The ) indicates a tab. The page number is right aligned and the tab
leaders are built into the tab.

Mike



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ETudsbery at cpaglobal.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Chapter title



Hello Framers,

FM 7.2

I'm designing a new template, and I would like a chapter paragraph style
with the chapter number on one line and the paragraph text on the line
below. Given that it's not possible to enter a forced return in the
Autonumber format for the chapter paragraph style, I was wondering about
the best method to achieve this. If I enter a soft return after entering
the chapter paragraph style, this creates a soft return in the
corresponding table of contents, which then has to be manually removed.
So,
I'm not keen on that. Is the best method just to put a lot of spaces in
the
Autonumber format box to force the paragraph text onto the next line?
Are
there any drawbacks (perhaps with conversion to PDF or online help)?

Thanks,

Edwin Tudsbery



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FrameMaker doc "attributes" report

[poshe...@bellsouth.net]

It's been awhile since I tried this, but isn't there a way to get a printout of 
the attrubutes of a FrameMaker document (especially the master page frame 
object dimensions). 

I think the Paragraph Tools plug-in will give me the paragraph attributes 
stuff, ut I really need the various object properties data on the master pages.

It's either a plug-in of some kind or else do a screen shot and hand-write on 
it what's what.

-- Kenpo in Atlanta

Internal Error

[Fred Wersan]

The way to avoid an internal error when you do a search in a Frame 7.1 
book is to open all the files in the book before you search. Or upgrade 
to a newer version of Frame, which supposedly fixes the bug.

Fred
-- 
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Senior Technical Writer
MAK Technologies
68 Moulton St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
617-876-8085

How do you count the total number of words in a FM book

[Bruce Foster]

Hi Esar,

You can do that with the BookInfo plugin:

http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/BookInfo.htm

Regards,
Bruce



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>Hi,

Does anyone have a method of counting the total number of words in a
Framemaker book?  I know I can count the number of words in a file in a
book
but is there some way of doing this on the book??
Thanks,
-- 
Esar (Earl) Rudnikoff
Senior Technical Communicator
Philips Medical Systems Technologies Ltd.
Haifa, Israel

email: erudni at gmail.com
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PDF email links

[robert.wer...@appsense.com]

I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers that allow
tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new email in the email
application and prepopulate the address and subject line.



However, I can't seem to remember how its done or find any reference to
it in the documentation either (Frame 7.2)



Is this possible and what is the format?



Is there a way to populate the subject line with context relevant
information, such as the current topic title?



Thanks in advance

Robert Werner 




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PDF email links

[Art Campbell]

Yes, you can.

Highlight your link text.
Special > Hypertext > To to URL
message URL mailto:somebody at somewhere.com

Art

On Feb 8, 2008 12:05 PM,   wrote:
> I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers that allow
> tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new email in the email
> application and prepopulate the address and subject line.
>
>
>
> However, I can't seem to remember how its done or find any reference to
> it in the documentation either (Frame 7.2)
>
>
>
> Is this possible and what is the format?
>
>
>
> Is there a way to populate the subject line with context relevant
> information, such as the current topic title?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Robert Werner
>
>
>
>



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Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker

[Valerie Lipow]

Hi Russ,

Thanks for replying!

The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the
Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the
red vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure.

If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and
I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do
in the EDD, please advise.

Val

On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM,  wrote:

> Valerie,
>
> I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help.
> However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because
> based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you
> ended up with this:
>
>
> 
>  the link to the source in the .fm document 
> .the text of the Heading in the .fm document
> 
>
>
> Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and
> looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs.
>
> Rudd
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800
> From: "Valerie Lipow" 
> Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
> - Need Help
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Message-ID:
> <808ccaab0802071127g667a1dcev388563a8d4463fd2 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC
> and
> Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure
> the
> TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to
> impose structure on the generated TOC.
>
> As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in
> the Structure View that FM imposes a  element in the TOC that
> captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the
> TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the
> structure;
> i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the
> structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker
> was
> absent in the EDD.
>
> I understood that because no  marker was in the EDD, the
>  pointer ID in file.fm  was not recognized when I
> imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called
> .
>
> When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as
> follows:
>
> 
>  the link to the source in the .fm document 
> .the text of the Heading in the .fm document
> 
>
> What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> --
> Valerie Lipow
> vallipow at gmail.com
>
>
>
>


-- 
Valerie Lipow
vallipow at gmail.com

Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker

[r...@weststreetconsulting.com]

Valerie,

Perhaps, then, your XML equivalent is not representative of what you are 
actually seeing, because that example you provided does put the text inside the 
desired element. If the text is actually not being wrapped, something is wrong 
with your conversion table.

Note that if you are generating your TOC based on elements and those elements 
have context labels, the context labels appear in parenthesis for the TOC 
formats. For example, a Heading element with a context label of "1" would 
generate the Heading(1)TOC format in the TOC.  For some reason, when you 
reference these formats in a conversion table, you need to escape the 
parenthesis with backslashes. I don't know why this is.  Something like:

Wrap this object or objects In this element

P:Heading\(1\)TOC   TOC1
P:Heading\(2\)TOC   TOC2

It seems like you may have already gotten that part, so if so, please 
disregard. One other item of note is that there may not be any good reason to 
preserve the inherent hierarchy of a TOC in the structure, unless some post 
process depends on it. Otherwise, because the TOC is autogenerated, there is no 
value to the added complexity of structural hierarchy. In other words, you 
might be able to get away with somthing like:

TOC
| 
| - TOC1
|
| - TOC2
| 
| - TOC2
| 
| - TOC3
| 
| - TOC2
| 
| - TOC1

etc.

In any case, you should be able to structure a TOC with a valid structure in 
the end. I've done it many times.

All this does beg the question, though, of why you want to do this. I used to 
do it out of a sense of purity, but finally realized that it had no value to 
me. If you are exporting XML, I'd think that any post-process would do its own 
contents and indexing.

If all else fails and you really need this, send me a sample TOC and your 
conversion table. I should be able to find your problem without too much 
trouble.

Russ





 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured
Framemaker
From: "Valerie Lipow" 
Date: Fri, February 08, 2008 1:36 pm
To: russ at weststreetconsulting.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Hi Russ,

Thanks for replying!

The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the 
Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the red 
vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure.

If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and 
I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do in 
the EDD, please advise.

Val

On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM,  wrote:
Valerie,

I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. 
However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based 
on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up 
with this:



 the link to the source in the .fm document 
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document



Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and 
looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs.

Rudd

Message: 21
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800
From: "Valerie Lipow" 
Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
- Need Help
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<808ccaab0802071127g667a1dcev388563a8d4463fd2 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and
Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the
TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to
impose structure on the generated TOC.

As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in
the Structure View that FM imposes a  element in the TOC that
captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the
TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure;
i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the
structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was
absent in the EDD.

I understood that because no  marker was in the EDD, the
 pointer ID in file.fm  was not recognized when I
imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called
.

When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as
follows:


 the link to the source in the .fm document 
.the text of the Heading in the .fm document


What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer?

Thanks in advance,
--
Valerie Lipow
vallipow at gmail.com







-- 
Valerie Lipow
vallipow at gmail.com 

PDF email links

[Combs, Richard]

Robert.Werner at appsense.com wrote:

> I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers 
> that allow tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new 
> email in the email application and prepopulate the address 
> and subject line.

Art replied: 

> Highlight your link text.
> Special > Hypertext > To to URL
> message URL mailto:somebody at somewhere.com

Adding to what Art said, don't forget to apply a char tag to the link
text (or the link will extend to the end of the pgf). And you specify a
subject using "?subject=" (this isn't an FM thing, it's an HTML thing),
so the "Go to URL" command looks like this: 

message URL mailto:somebody at somewhere.com?subject=somesubject

> Is there a way to populate the subject line with context 
> relevant information, such as the current topic title?

Wouldn't each hyperlink have its own context? The link is in a topic,
right? Paste the topic title in when you create the link. You might be
able to script the whole process, but the the title has to go into the
link at the time of its creation; there's no way to for Acrobat to "look
it up" later. 

HTH!
Richard 


--
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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Great News! Formatted index marker bug in FM8 fixed

[Tina Ricks]

Hi all,



Just got off the phone with Adobe support, and the great news is that my bug
with index markers appears to be fixed. I just installed the 8.0p273 patch
(came out about 3 days ago).



The issue is index markers formatted with character formats occasionally
"stack up" incorrectly or disappear altogether.  The fix (before) was just
to remove all formatting from the markers.



I installed the patch, formatted some particularly difficult index markers
which always caused the bug before, and voila! My index entries are
formatted correctly. Life is good.



Tina Ricks

Editor

Trial Guides

tina at trialguides.com 

PDF email links

[Stuart Rogers]

Art Campbell wrote:
> Yes, you can.
> 
> Highlight your link text.
> Special > Hypertext > To to URL
> message URL mailto:somebody at somewhere.com

I think you populate the subject line by adding a bit:

message URL mailto:somebody at somewhere.com?subject=MyTopicTitle

but I can't remember if you put a space before the ?-mark or if you need 
quotation marks anywhere... a few tests should tell you.

stuart
(vague and rushed, sorry!)


> 
> Art
> 
> On Feb 8, 2008 12:05 PM,   wrote:
>> I had thought that Framemaker supported hypertext markers that allow
>> tyou to create links for PDFs which launch a new email in the email
>> application and prepopulate the address and subject line.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I can't seem to remember how its done or find any reference to
>> it in the documentation either (Frame 7.2)
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this possible and what is the format?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a way to populate the subject line with context relevant
>> information, such as the current topic title?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Robert Werner
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?

How to count the words in a FrameMaker book

[Debra Wible]

Here's a "quick and dirty" workaround for how to count the words in a
FrameMaker book:

Count the spaces!

The result will not be exact, but will be enlightening. It takes about 2
minutes.

I tested this on FrameMaker 7:

1) Make a COPY of your book (to protect the original).
2) Open the book file.
3) Open the title page.
4) Invoke the Find/Change dialog (Ctrl F on Windows).
5) In the Look in: field, select Book (not Document)
6) In the Find field, enter a space.
7) In the Replace field, enter a space.
8) Click on Change All. A warning appears.
9) Click on OK. The hourglass appears for awhile.
10) A message with the count appears.
For example: "Made 88724 changes in book"


Deb Wible
Technical Publications Manager, ChipX Inc.
dwible at chipx.com