Re: footnote trouble
Jacob wrote: We have some footnotes in a structured FrameMaker document (7.2) where the call of the footnote is on one page, but the footnote itself finds itself on the next page. It's been awhile since we had this complaint! Sorry, Jacob, assuming the problem is that the note requires more space than there is between its number in the text and the bottom of the page (so fiddling with Footnote Properties won't help), your only options are: rewrite the note in fewer and/or shorter words and see if it jumps back to the right page, and/or move the number in the text higher up the page, if this would make sense (probably doesn't), and/or try a tiny adjustment in line spacing. If no combination of these works, make the note break across the page using anchored frames and text frames. This last procedure takes a bit of describing so I'll send it to you (and anyone else who asks) off-list. The error in notehandling you've come across was programmed in from the start, with the result that Frame's never had the penetration in academic and legal markets that it otherwise deserves. Graeme Forbes ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table elements not enumerated
Hello All I posted this question on the FrameMaker-DITA group last week and got no response, so here goes again. Using FM 7.1 p116 on Windows XP SP2. In my EDD I have four elements that are defined as table elements. They are: tgroup, simpletable, choicetable, and properties (all DITA elements). Working in a structured doc, I paste some delimited text that I want to convert to a table. I paste it either into a paragraph element or into some other container. I select the text and go to Table Convert to table. As expected, a dialog box opens showing the table formats, numbers of heading rows, etc. However, the only choice in the Element tag box is simpletable. Other table elements just don't appear. The same is true if I go to Table Insert table. Normally I would not do this anyway, preferring to use the element catalog. It is always the simpletable that is presented as the only option; the other three are never presented. I can trick the system sometimes into presenting all four elements, but it's a hassle and I haven't yet found any pattern as to what makes it enumerate them. Is this a known bug in FM 7.1? Or is there something else that could trigger this behaviour? Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?
Hi Kristy, Thanks for the response. I tried adding a soft return to the lines that are too long, but when I generate the LOT, the soft return is there, but there is still no leader line and the page number in not tabbed to the right. -- Pat Fortino writenowdesign.com | - Web Sites - Technical Writing - Editing - Desktop Publishing Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: Hi, Patrick! If you use a soft return to cut your first line, it should add them to your second. Is that what you mean? Kristy Kristy Nolan Lead Publications Specialist Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR Southwest Airlines Dallas, TX 75235 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:45 PM To: framers Subject: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text? Hi, I know this question has been asked many times, but I can't find any threads with the answers. Here is the situation: We have a TOC and LOT that uses leader dots that lead to a page number on a right tab; eg Table 3-1 List of Program Parameters...3-3 The problem is when the para text is longer than 1 line and the page number wraps to second line. When that happens, we don't get a tab to right or a leader. eg. Table 3.1 List of Programs Parameter for the XXX Program Setting as;dfasdfdsf 3-3 Is there a way to get leaders on the second line? Seems like I remember that you can't. Thanks -- Pat Fortino writenowdesign.com | - Web Sites - Technical Writing - Editing - Desktop Publishing Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco . com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM import to RH; Problem w/bold in table cells
Hi Stan, I'm pretty sure what you are seeing is CSS related. You are seeing the default conversion of the Frame formatting into RoboHelp. When RoboHelp has no explicit conversion instructions, it attempts to retain formatting from FM. With an explicit conversion, the HTML looks as one might expect. Try the following (in this order) 1 Use a character tag (like Bold) to apply formatting to your text 2 Create the desired formatting within your CSS file (Necessary for Step 3) 3 In RoboHelp, set your character tag to convert to your new CSS item I like using Dreamweaver for CSS editing, rather than the RoboHelp internal editor. The current RH editor makes a bit of the CSS code tougher to get to. You'll probably appreciate a CSS reference guide to get the proper Tag (.bold) and Class selectors (.td.bold, and maybe .td.p.bold) defined. For the HTML and CSS code jockeys out there, pardon me if I butchered the CSS def's above...I refuse to hit the reference books prior to my coffee!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Burnett Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:24 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM import to RH; Problem w/bold in table cells Technical Communication Suite, RoboHelp HTML, WebHelp I'm importing a FrameMaker book into RH 7.02. In any table cell where I have bolded a word, the output: 1) has a span style inserted around what was intended to be bolded but with inappropriate font-family, font-size, and font-weight. 2) has a span style inserted around the remainder of the content within the cell, with inappropriate font-family and font-size. I have tried to bold using the ctrl-b method and using a bold character tag with the same results. Example of output without attempting to bold: p class=FM_CellBodyA Windows device represents any network workstation or server that runs a version of the Windows operating system. Example of output attempting to bold the words General device: p class=FM_CellBodyA span style=font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12.0pt;General device/spanspan style=font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12.0pt; represents any network device that uses an operating system other than Windows, Unix, or Linux./span How can I bold words within a table cell without adding messed up code to my html? Thanks, Stan ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?
Richard Combs response from yesterday should solve your problem: In the appropriate reference page specifications, simply add a second Tab (not a tab stop, but a second Tab key press or \t) in front of $pagenum. If you anticipate three-line headings/captions, add a third Tab. Baruch Brodersen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:10 PM To: Kristy Nolan Cc: framers Subject: Re: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text? Hi Kristy, Thanks for the response. I tried adding a soft return to the lines that are too long, but when I generate the LOT, the soft return is there, but there is still no leader line and the page number in not tabbed to the right. -- Pat Fortino writenowdesign.com | - Web Sites - Technical Writing - Editing - Desktop Publishing Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: Hi, Patrick! If you use a soft return to cut your first line, it should add them to your second. Is that what you mean? Kristy Kristy Nolan Lead Publications Specialist Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR Southwest Airlines Dallas, TX 75235 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:45 PM To: framers Subject: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text? Hi, I know this question has been asked many times, but I can't find any threads with the answers. Here is the situation: We have a TOC and LOT that uses leader dots that lead to a page number on a right tab; eg Table 3-1 List of Program Parameters...3-3 The problem is when the para text is longer than 1 line and the page number wraps to second line. When that happens, we don't get a tab to right or a leader. eg. Table 3.1 List of Programs Parameter for the XXX Program Setting as;dfasdfdsf 3-3 Is there a way to get leaders on the second line? Seems like I remember that you can't. Thanks -- Pat Fortino writenowdesign.com | - Web Sites - Technical Writing - Editing - Desktop Publishing Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco . com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/baruch.brodersen%40bigbandnet.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Disappearing Symbol Characters
FM 7.1 (p116) running on XP Symbol characters appear as blank spaces, small boxes, or wrong characters when they are imported as OLE objects into anchored frames OLE (from Visio or Mathtype). The symbol characters appear correctly in the host application when the file is opened from FrameMaker, but disappear as soon as the image is back in the anchored frame. Symbol works correctly in FrameMaker when it is applied as a Character Format in the body text. The graphics being are being produced in Visio on the same computer with the same fonts as FrameMaker is using. Any ideas why the symbol characters disappear in anchored frames only? Has anyone else experienced and/or solved this problem? Thanks, Ted Poulos ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
MAML structapp
I may need to create some content in Microsoft Assistance Markup Language. Is there a MAML structapp out there? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
footnote trouble
Jacob wrote: "We have some footnotes in a structured FrameMaker document (7.2) where the call of the footnote is on one page, but the footnote itself finds itself on the next page." It's been awhile since we had this complaint! Sorry, Jacob, assuming the problem is that the note requires more space than there is between its number in the text and the bottom of the page (so fiddling with Footnote Properties won't help), your only options are: rewrite the note in fewer and/or shorter words and see if it jumps back to the right page, and/or move the number in the text higher up the page, if this would make sense (probably doesn't), and/or try a tiny adjustment in line spacing. If no combination of these works, make the note break across the page using anchored frames and text frames. This last procedure takes a bit of describing so I'll send it to you (and anyone else who asks) off-list. The error in notehandling you've come across was programmed in from the start, with the result that Frame's never had the penetration in academic and legal markets that it otherwise deserves. Graeme Forbes
FM import to RH; Problem w/"bold" in table cells
Hi Stan, I'm pretty sure what you are seeing is CSS related. You are seeing the default conversion of the Frame formatting into RoboHelp. When RoboHelp has no explicit conversion instructions, it attempts to retain formatting from FM. With an explicit conversion, the HTML looks as one might expect. Try the following (in this order) 1 Use a character tag (like "Bold") to apply formatting to your text 2 Create the desired formatting within your CSS file (Necessary for Step 3) 3 In RoboHelp, set your character tag to convert to your new CSS item I like using Dreamweaver for CSS editing, rather than the RoboHelp internal editor. The current RH editor makes a bit of the CSS code tougher to get to. You'll probably appreciate a CSS reference guide to get the proper Tag (.bold) and Class selectors (.td.bold, and maybe .td.p.bold) defined. For the HTML and CSS code jockeys out there, pardon me if I butchered the CSS def's above...I refuse to hit the reference books prior to my coffee!!! -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stan Burnett Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:24 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM import to RH; Problem w/"bold" in table cells Technical Communication Suite, RoboHelp HTML, WebHelp I'm importing a FrameMaker book into RH 7.02. In any table cell where I have bolded a word, the output: 1) has a inserted around what was intended to be bolded but with inappropriate font-family, font-size, and font-weight. 2) has a inserted around the remainder of the content within the cell, with inappropriate font-family and font-size. I have tried to bold using the ctrl-b method and using a "bold" character tag with the same results. Example of output without attempting to bold: A Windows device represents any network workstation or server that runs a version of the Windows operating system. Example of output attempting to bold the words "General device": A General device represents any network device that uses an operating system other than Windows, Unix, or Linux. How can I bold words within a table cell without adding messed up code to my html? Thanks, Stan ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as matt at grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?
Richard Combs response from yesterday should solve your problem: "In the appropriate reference page specifications, simply add a second Tab (not a tab stop, but a second Tab key press or \t) in front of <$pagenum>. If you anticipate three-line headings/captions, add a third Tab." Baruch Brodersen -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:10 PM To: Kristy Nolan Cc: framers Subject: Re: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text? Hi Kristy, Thanks for the response. I tried adding a soft return to the lines that are too long, but when I generate the LOT, the soft return is there, but there is still no leader line and the page number in not tabbed to the right. -- Pat Fortino writenowdesign.com >>| - Web Sites - Technical Writing - Editing - Desktop Publishing Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > Hi, Patrick! > > If you use a soft return to cut your first line, it should add them to > your second. > > Is that what you mean? > > Kristy > > Kristy Nolan > Lead Publications Specialist > Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR > Southwest Airlines > Dallas, TX 75235 > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Patrick > Fortino > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:45 PM > To: framers > Subject: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text? > > Hi, > > I know this question has been asked many times, but I can't find any > threads with the answers. > > Here is the situation: > > We have a TOC and LOT that uses leader dots that lead to a page number > on a right tab; > > eg > > Table 3-1 List of Program > Parameters...3-3 > > The problem is when the para text is longer than 1 line and the page > number wraps to second line. When that happens, we don't get a tab to > right or a leader. > > eg. > > Table 3.1 List of Programs Parameter for the XXX Program Setting > as;dfasdfdsf > 3-3 > > Is there a way to get leaders on the second line? Seems like I > remember that you can't. > > Thanks > > -- > Pat Fortino > writenowdesign.com > >>> | > - Web Sites > - Technical Writing > - Editing > - Desktop Publishing > > Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.nolan at wnco.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco > . > com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as baruch.brodersen at bigbandnet.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/baruch.brodersen%40bigbandnet.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Disappearing Symbol Characters
FM 7.1 (p116) running on XP Symbol characters appear as blank spaces, small boxes, or wrong characters when they are imported as OLE objects into anchored frames OLE (from Visio or Mathtype). The symbol characters appear correctly in the host application when the file is opened from FrameMaker, but disappear as soon as the image is back in the anchored frame. Symbol works correctly in FrameMaker when it is applied as a Character Format in the body text. The graphics being are being produced in Visio on the same computer with the same fonts as FrameMaker is using. Any ideas why the symbol characters disappear in anchored frames only? Has anyone else experienced and/or solved this problem? Thanks, Ted Poulos
MAML structapp
I may need to create some content in Microsoft Assistance Markup Language. Is there a MAML structapp out there?
