Re: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent
Friends of FremeMaker, Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please consider the following (my personal opinion/experience): - Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage somewhere out there which still has some spare parts in their backyarad or have found out that some parts of the new cars also fit in the old ones. But You need to thind this yourself (with the help of Your friends). - Once we have an FM-realease 9 available, and related software (Acrobat) has also reached level 9 one can not assume that all combinations of old-new versions are working. There is no such thing as guaranteed backwards compatibility. Have You tried to run Word-6 macros in Word-2007? Even upwards compatibility is rare. - FrameMaker is one of the most tolerant programs I know concerning age of documents. You can still open version 3 documents in FM-9 and always save at least 1 level lower than the current version is. In FM-9 you even can save in MIF- 7. This is to serve the 'before Unicode' environments. Of course the development leaves certain functions behind (FM-9 does not support the virtual fonts needed until FM-7 for non-western languages). At which date cars lost their hand crank or the windows hand lever? If a thunderstorm arrives you need to have the key for the car to close the windows! - If it works, don't fix it. There are so many automatic processes out there using the good old FM-5.5 on Unix (e.g. Statistisches Amt des Kantons Luzern, Schweizerische Nationalbank) generating statistical brochures and books month after month. They will use this mechanism even after Adobe may have ceased to exist. - Like any company also Adobe wants to make money with their work. In recent time Adobe has increased interaction with their customers significantly and fixing problems in FrameMaker really has a new pace. Do You get fixes for Windows 2K any more? Of course support always concentrates on the new products and deminishes for the old ones. Even companies have only a limited 'brain' to keep knowledge. Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9
Fred, You wrote: Umm, the discussion is not about print to PDF, which is actually the method that several of us have been recommending all along. ... This method may produce decent results when a book is printed to a single PDF file, but it fails when a book is printed to multiple PDF (each chapter becoming a separate PDF). Cross-file links are generated properly, pointing to the expected chapter.PDF files; but the PDF files are named differently (with a book name prefix), and therefore all cross-file links are bad. For example, the sample ecology book included with FrameMaker generates the following PDFs when printed to PDF as multiple PDFs: ecology.book(ecologyTOC.pdf ecology.book(resource.pdf ecology.book(concern.pdf ecology.book(response.pdf ecology.book(ecologyIX.pdf Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9
Thanks for clarifying this shortcoming of the print to PDF method, Shlomo. Now that you mention it, I do recall having heard about it. But since it has been years since I was called upon to produce a multiple PDF set from a single book, it hasn't been an issue for me and I apparently didn't invest any effort in remembering it. Now I will. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:18:07 +0300 To: docu...@hotmail.com From: shlo...@microtype.com Subject: RE: FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9 CC: fram...@frameusers.com Fred, You wrote: Umm, the discussion is not about print to PDF, which is actually the method that several of us have been recommending all along. ... This method may produce decent results when a book is printed to a single PDF file, but it fails when a book is printed to multiple PDF (each chapter becoming a separate PDF). Cross-file links are generated properly, pointing to the expected chapter.PDF files; but the PDF files are named differently (with a book name prefix), and therefore all cross-file links are bad. For example, the sample ecology book included with FrameMaker generates the following PDFs when printed to PDF as multiple PDFs: ecology.book(ecologyTOC.pdf ecology.book(resource.pdf ecology.book(concern.pdf ecology.book(response.pdf ecology.book(ecologyIX.pdf Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Heading levels in a UG
Very interesting topic, and quite a funny anecdote about ET pigeonholing tech writers. We have 4 levels in our templates, including the chapter title, but usually avoid going down to 4. So most content is under 1 Chapter Title (actually a Heading 1) 1.2 Heading 2 1.2.3 Heading 3 For our type of doc (user and admin guide for GUI-based application), this really covers it. We find that if we have smaller pieces, we put them together in a bulleted list with lead-ins (* Lead-in - Text...) or in a table. Both easily support 1-3 paragraphs per item and provide a way of grouping similar information (button functionality, etc.). One thing we do is flatten some levels, when the logical distinction between them is not important. You can also refactor the lower levels to a higher level especially if it is more in line with use cases. To illustrate both techniques: 1. Administration VS 1. Administration with the GUI 1.1 User Management 1.1 Creating Users 1.1.1 Creating Users 1.2 Deleting Users 1.1.1.1 Creating Users with the GUI 1.3 Creating Roles 1.1.1.2 Creating Users with the CLI 1.4 Creating Roles 1.1.2 Deleting Users 1.1.2.1 Deleting Users with the GUI 2. Administration with the CLI 1.1.2.1 Deleting Users with the CLI 2.1 Creating Users 1.2 Role Management 2.2 Deleting Users 1.2.1 Creating Roles 2.3 Creating Roles 1.1.2.1 Creating Roles with the GUI 1.4 Creating Roles 1.1.2.1 Creating Roles with the CLI 1.2.2 Deleting Roles 1.1.2.1 Deleting Roles with the GUI 1.1.2.1 Deleting Roles with the CLI We do use heading 4s for really big chunks of subordinate matter. For reference docs, sometimes the extra levels are unavoidable due to the complexity and levels in the product itself. Andy ak...@jaspersoft.com Original message: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Lin Simsljsims...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Evanth, Henrikhenrik.eva...@sonyericsson.com wrote: Hi All I have an off-topic question that may or may not interest you. We are having a discussion at the office regarding the maximum levels of heading that a User guide/User manual can/should contain. Do you know of any best practice rules that define how deep a publication should/could be. Personally I think that 6 levels is too deep for a user, but that is just a personal preference that I cannot back up with evidence. Heading 1 ? Heading 2 ? ? ?Heading 3 ? ? ? ? Heading 4 ? ? ? ? ? ?Heading 5 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Heading 6 Insights, comments or instructions are highly appreciated. I attended an Edward Tufte seminar a number of years ago. He does book signings at these, and while he was signing my copies he asked my profession. When I said technical writer, his response was No more than 3 levels of headings. -- Lin Sims ___ Art Campbell says it this way: I agree, four is as many as you need (and, I believe the most I've ever seen in a published book) -- if you think you need more, it may be because of an organizational problem. I guess Tufte didn't verbally indicate * and G with his comment. His methods of providing multiple layers of information - sparklines, common measurement references across graphics that vary in scale, and various graphic schemes that indicate data and information relationships - present much of the additional levels of information, without additional heading levels. IOW, organizational problem solutions. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Index of Scripture References
Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order ($numerics, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index of Scripture References
Hi Roger, You should be able to change the sort order using the bracketed sort text. You could set a numeric value for each of the biblical books, depending on their placement in the Bible. For example, Romans 3:12 could be [45003012], where 45 is the book number, 003 is the chapter, and 012 is the verse. Notice that the chapters and verses are padded out to 3 characters to accommodate, for example, Psalm 119:105. Books are padded to 2 characters, so Genesis 1:1 would be [01001001]. To make this practical, you could use FrameScript to read the references in the markers and add the appropriate bracketed text to the end of each marker. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-659-8267 Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order ($numerics, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index of Scripture References
Specifying the sort using the [aaa] should work. I have used this a number of times. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax: (888)523-2028 Cell: (336)456-4493 Cell 2:(336)655-4783 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shuttleworth, Roger Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:19 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Index of Scripture References Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order ($numerics, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as azdunc...@triad.rr.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index of Scripture References
Roger, The first thing to realize is that many published books have indexes that were compiled by a professional indexer, working from galleys and using a dedicated indexing software tool like CINDEX or SKY Index rather than one that is built from embedded index codes in the authoring tool. But having said that, you should be able to accomplish what you seek to do using the system that Rick Quatro outlined. -FR Subject: Index of Scripture References Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:19:02 -0400 From: roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order ($numerics, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
You refer below to having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph. This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only one in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied to the TimeSavers setting of Ignore duplicate markers (Links/General tab, under Advanced)? Paul On Wednesday, July 15, 2009, at 12:41AM, Shlomo Perets shlomo.per...@microtype.com wrote: Paul, You wrote: I am just after noticing that, in my PDFs, links that wrap and go to a second line are not active in the part of the link that is on the second line. The start of the link, on the first line, works fine. All x-refs that wrap in Frame work fine in Frame. I never saw this behavior before in a PDF made from a Frame file. Does anyone have any guess as to why this is happening? Thanks. I am using timesavers and IXgen, in case it matters. Yes, this is related to the TimeSavers setting of Ignore duplicate markers (Links/General tab, under Advanced). Occasionally FrameMaker processes a single hypertext marker twice or more (this can be clearly seen in the PS file, or if you convert to PDF, with or without TimeSavers). Other than turning on Ignore duplicate markers, you can suppress duplicate features by selecting the hypertext marker only and applying a character property or format to it. Depending on your use for hypertext markers, another option is to avoid having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph. [ Note: suppressing the cross-reference link made sense in conjunction with the Side Links feature, where a clickable symbol replaces the active area, and only one symbol is needed even when the cross-reference is split between two lines, see http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks1.pdf or http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks2.pdf ] Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants -- 1-hour webinars (free), starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: Tuesday, July 21: Effective PDF Bookmarks with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers https://student.gototraining.com/register/1035786782006430995 Tuesday, August 18: Enhancing PDFs with Form Fields (with FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers + Form Asst) https://student.gototraining.com/register/3420308416844530916 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
Paul, Are you certain that the misbehaving links are coded in the FrameMaker source as hypertext Go to URL commands with the complete address? If not, you may be seeing one of the shortcomings of the links that Acrobat automatically creates after the fact as it parses the PDF. Acrobat is smart enough to do basic pattern matching to identify strings that start with http: or that have an @ in the middle as URLs and e-mail addresses. But it is *not* smart enough to look past the end of the current line to see if there are any additional characters that are the completion of the URL or address. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:58:17 -0700 From: ob...@me.com To: shlomo.per...@microtype.com Subject: Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF CC: fram...@frameusers.com; frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com You refer below to having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph. This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only one in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied to the TimeSavers setting of Ignore duplicate markers (Links/General tab, under Advanced)? Paul On Wednesday, July 15, 2009, at 12:41AM, Shlomo Perets shlomo.per...@microtype.com wrote: Paul, You wrote: I am just after noticing that, in my PDFs, links that wrap and go to a second line are not active in the part of the link that is on the second line. The start of the link, on the first line, works fine. All x-refs that wrap in Frame work fine in Frame. I never saw this behavior before in a PDF made from a Frame file. Does anyone have any guess as to why this is happening? Thanks. I am using timesavers and IXgen, in case it matters. Yes, this is related to the TimeSavers setting of Ignore duplicate markers (Links/General tab, under Advanced). Occasionally FrameMaker processes a single hypertext marker twice or more (this can be clearly seen in the PS file, or if you convert to PDF, with or without TimeSavers). Other than turning on Ignore duplicate markers, you can suppress duplicate features by selecting the hypertext marker only and applying a character property or format to it. Depending on your use for hypertext markers, another option is to avoid having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph. [ Note: suppressing the cross-reference link made sense in conjunction with the Side Links feature, where a clickable symbol replaces the active area, and only one symbol is needed even when the cross-reference is split between two lines, see http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks1.pdf or http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks2.pdf ] Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants -- 1-hour webinars (free), starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: Tuesday, July 21: Effective PDF Bookmarks with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers https://student.gototraining.com/register/1035786782006430995 Tuesday, August 18: Enhancing PDFs with Form Fields (with FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers + Form Asst) https://student.gototraining.com/register/3420308416844530916 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
Paul, It is most likely that what you see is indeed related to the TimeSavers settings of Ignore duplicate markers. I suggest that you try turning it off, redistill and inspect the result. If it is indeed the case, consider using the other workarounds mentioned to prevent a hypertext marker from being duplicated in the PDF. Shlomo At 7/16/200909:58 AM, obair wrote: You refer below to having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph. This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only one in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied to the TimeSavers setting of Ignore duplicate markers (Links/General tab, under Advanced)? Paul On Wednesday, July 15, 2009, at 12:41AM, Shlomo Perets shlomo.per...@microtype.com wrote: Paul, You wrote: I am just after noticing that, in my PDFs, links that wrap and go to a second line are not active in the part of the link that is on the second line. The start of the link, on the first line, works fine. All x-refs that wrap in Frame work fine in Frame. I never saw this behavior before in a PDF made from a Frame file. Does anyone have any guess as to why this is happening? Thanks. I am using timesavers and IXgen, in case it matters. Yes, this is related to the TimeSavers setting of Ignore duplicate markers (Links/General tab, under Advanced). Occasionally FrameMaker processes a single hypertext marker twice or more (this can be clearly seen in the PS file, or if you convert to PDF, with or without TimeSavers). Other than turning on Ignore duplicate markers, you can suppress duplicate features by selecting the hypertext marker only and applying a character property or format to it. Depending on your use for hypertext markers, another option is to avoid having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph. [ Note: suppressing the cross-reference link made sense in conjunction with the Side Links feature, where a clickable symbol replaces the active area, and only one symbol is needed even when the cross-reference is split between two lines, see http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks1.pdf or http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks2.pdf ] Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants -- 1-hour webinars (free), starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: Tuesday, July 21: Effective PDF Bookmarks with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers https://student.gototraining.com/register/1035786782006430995 Tuesday, August 18: Enhancing PDFs with Form Fields (with FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers + Form Asst) https://student.gototraining.com/register/3420308416844530916 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [f2a] Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
Yes, clearing the ignore dup markers checkbox returns my wrapping Frame x-refs to a functional state. And I found that, in the one case that initially triggered the need for the ignore dup markers checkbox, if I move the hypertext marker pair to the paragraph just above where it was in Frame, and re-do the PDF, that marker is no longer double-listed in the User Guide Changes in this Release part of the PDF's bookmarks area. Yahoo... Thanks. Paul On Thursday, July 16, 2009, at 11:00AM, Shlomo Perets shlo...@microtype.com wrote: ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Automated way to import formats?
ShamelessPlug You can use TemplateMapper... It sets up a project to manage import from a new template into a legacy book. You create map files that manage how to import individual formats (turn LegacyBody into NewBody), and load legacy, template, and map files into a project. The project can import pgf, char, table, xref fprmats, plus cond text tags, master page usage, variable names, and ref page usage. If you have a lot of importing to do, it might be the product for you. You can see more about it at http://www.cudspan.net. /ShamelseePlug Cheers cud ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent
You make many very good points, thank you for the perspective Klaus. Rick -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:48 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent Friends of FremeMaker, Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please consider the following (my personal opinion/experience): - Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage somewhere out there which still has some spare parts in their backyarad or have found out that some parts of the new cars also fit in the old ones. But You need to thind this yourself (with the help of Your friends). - Once we have an FM-realease 9 available, and related software (Acrobat) has also reached level 9 one can not assume that all combinations of old-new versions are working. There is no such thing as guaranteed backwards compatibility. Have You tried to run Word-6 macros in Word-2007? Even upwards compatibility is rare. - FrameMaker is one of the most tolerant programs I know concerning age of documents. You can still open version 3 documents in FM-9 and always save at least 1 level lower than the current version is. In FM-9 you even can save in MIF- 7. This is to serve the 'before Unicode' environments. Of course the development leaves certain functions behind (FM-9 does not support the virtual fonts needed until FM-7 for non-western languages). At which date cars lost their hand crank or the windows hand lever? If a thunderstorm arrives you need to have the key for the car to close the windows! - If it works, don't fix it. There are so many automatic processes out there using the good old FM-5.5 on Unix (e.g. Statistisches Amt des Kantons Luzern, Schweizerische Nationalbank) generating statistical brochures and books month after month. They will use this mechanism even after Adobe may have ceased to exist. - Like any company also Adobe wants to make money with their work. In recent time Adobe has increased interaction with their customers significantly and fixing problems in FrameMaker really has a new pace. Do You get fixes for Windows 2K any more? Of course support always concentrates on the new products and deminishes for the old ones. Even companies have only a limited 'brain' to keep knowledge. Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rmelan...@spirecorp.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rmelanson%40spirecorp.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent
Friends of FremeMaker, Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please consider the following (my personal opinion/experience): - Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage somewhere out there which still has some spare parts in their backyarad or have found out that some parts of the new cars also fit in the old ones. But You need to thind this yourself (with the help of Your friends). - Once we have an FM-realease 9 available, and related software (Acrobat) has also reached level 9 one can not assume that all combinations of old-new versions are working. There is no such thing as guaranteed backwards compatibility. Have You tried to run Word-6 macros in Word-2007? Even upwards compatibility is rare. - FrameMaker is one of the most tolerant programs I know concerning age of documents. You can still open version 3 documents in FM-9 and always save at least 1 level lower than the current version is. In FM-9 you even can save in MIF- 7. This is to serve the 'before Unicode' environments. Of course the development leaves certain functions behind (FM-9 does not support the virtual fonts needed until FM-7 for "non-western" languages). At which date cars lost their hand crank or the windows hand lever? If a thunderstorm arrives you need to have the key for the car to close the windows! - If it works, don't fix it. There are so many automatic processes out there using the good old FM-5.5 on Unix (e.g. Statistisches Amt des Kantons Luzern, Schweizerische Nationalbank) generating statistical brochures and books month after month. They will use this mechanism even after Adobe may have ceased to exist. - Like any company also Adobe wants to make money with their work. In recent time Adobe has increased interaction with their customers significantly and fixing problems in FrameMaker really has a new pace. Do You get fixes for Windows 2K any more? Of course support always concentrates on the new products and deminishes for the old ones. Even companies have only a limited 'brain' to keep knowledge. Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: ddd at daube.ch W: www.daube.ch
FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9
Fred, You wrote: >Umm, the discussion is not about "print to PDF", which is actually the >method that several of us have been recommending all along. ... This method may produce decent results when a book is printed to a single PDF file, but it fails when a book is printed to multiple PDF (each chapter becoming a separate PDF). Cross-file links are generated properly, pointing to the expected chapter.PDF files; but the PDF files are named differently (with a book name prefix), and therefore all cross-file links are bad. For example, the sample ecology book included with FrameMaker generates the following PDFs when "printed to PDF" as multiple PDFs: ecology.book(ecologyTOC.pdf ecology.book(resource.pdf ecology.book(concern.pdf ecology.book(response.pdf ecology.book(ecologyIX.pdf Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9
Thanks for clarifying this shortcoming of the print to PDF method, Shlomo. Now that you mention it, I do recall having heard about it. But since it has been years since I was called upon to produce a multiple PDF set from a single book, it hasn't been an issue for me and I apparently didn't invest any effort in remembering it. Now I will. -Fred Ridder > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:18:07 +0300 > To: docudoc at hotmail.com > From: shlomo2 at microtype.com > Subject: RE: FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9 > CC: Framers at FrameUsers.com > > Fred, > > You wrote: > > >Umm, the discussion is not about "print to PDF", which is actually the > >method that several of us have been recommending all along. ... > > This method may produce decent results when a book is printed to a single > PDF file, but it fails when a book is printed to multiple PDF (each chapter > becoming a separate PDF). > Cross-file links are generated properly, pointing to the expected > chapter.PDF files; but the PDF files are named differently (with a book > name prefix), and therefore all cross-file links are bad. > > For example, the sample ecology book included with FrameMaker generates the > following PDFs when "printed to PDF" as multiple PDFs: > ecology.book(ecologyTOC.pdf > ecology.book(resource.pdf > ecology.book(concern.pdf > ecology.book(response.pdf > ecology.book(ecologyIX.pdf > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType * http://www.microtype.com > FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
OT: Heading levels in a UG
Very interesting topic, and quite a funny anecdote about ET pigeonholing tech writers. We have 4 levels in our templates, including the chapter title, but usually avoid going down to 4. So most content is under 1 Chapter Title (actually a Heading 1) 1.2 Heading 2 1.2.3 Heading 3 For our type of doc (user and admin guide for GUI-based application), this really covers it. We find that if we have smaller pieces, we put them together in a bulleted list with lead-ins (* Lead-in - Text...) or in a table. Both easily support 1-3 paragraphs per item and provide a way of grouping similar information (button functionality, etc.). One thing we do is flatten some levels, when the logical distinction between them is not important. You can also refactor the lower levels to a higher level especially if it is more in line with use cases. To illustrate both techniques: 1. Administration VS 1. Administration with the GUI 1.1 User Management 1.1 Creating Users 1.1.1 Creating Users 1.2 Deleting Users 1.1.1.1 Creating Users with the GUI 1.3 Creating Roles 1.1.1.2 Creating Users with the CLI 1.4 Creating Roles 1.1.2 Deleting Users 1.1.2.1 Deleting Users with the GUI 2. Administration with the CLI 1.1.2.1 Deleting Users with the CLI 2.1 Creating Users 1.2 Role Management 2.2 Deleting Users 1.2.1 Creating Roles 2.3 Creating Roles 1.1.2.1 Creating Roles with the GUI 1.4 Creating Roles 1.1.2.1 Creating Roles with the CLI 1.2.2 Deleting Roles 1.1.2.1 Deleting Roles with the GUI 1.1.2.1 Deleting Roles with the CLI We do use heading 4s for really big chunks of subordinate matter. For reference docs, sometimes the extra levels are unavoidable due to the complexity and levels in the product itself. Andy akass at jaspersoft.com Original message: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Evanth, > Henrik wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I have an off-topic question that may or may not interest you. >> >> We are having a discussion at the office regarding the maximum levels of >> heading that a User guide/User manual can/should contain. Do you know of any >> best practice rules that define how deep a publication should/could be. >> Personally I think that 6 levels is too deep for a user, but that is just a >> personal preference that I cannot back up with "evidence". >> >> Heading 1 >> ? Heading 2 >> ? ? ?Heading 3 >> ? ? ? ? Heading 4 >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Heading 5 >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Heading 6 >> >> Insights, comments or instructions are highly appreciated. > > I attended an Edward Tufte seminar a number of years ago. He does book > signings at these, and while he was signing my copies he asked my > profession. When I said "technical writer", his response was "No more > than 3 levels of headings." > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ Art Campbell says it this way: "I agree, four is as many as you need (and, I believe the most I've ever seen in a published book) -- if you think you need more, it may be because of an organizational problem." I guess Tufte didn't verbally indicate "*" and "" with his comment. His methods of providing multiple layers of information - sparklines, common measurement references across graphics that vary in scale, and various graphic schemes that indicate data and information relationships - present much of the additional levels of information, without additional heading levels. IOW, "organizational problem" solutions. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Index of Scripture References
Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order (<$numerics>, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada
Index of Scripture References
Hi Roger, You should be able to change the sort order using the bracketed sort text. You could set a numeric value for each of the biblical books, depending on their placement in the Bible. For example, Romans 3:12 could be [45003012], where 45 is the book number, 003 is the chapter, and 012 is the verse. Notice that the chapters and verses are padded out to 3 characters to accommodate, for example, Psalm 119:105. Books are padded to 2 characters, so Genesis 1:1 would be [01001001]. To make this practical, you could use FrameScript to read the references in the markers and add the appropriate bracketed text to the end of each marker. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. rick at frameexpert.com 585-659-8267 Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order (<$numerics>, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada
Index of Scripture References
Specifying the sort using the [aaa] should work. I have used this a number of times. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, & Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax:?? (888)523-2028 Cell:? (336)456-4493 Cell 2:(336)655-4783 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shuttleworth, Roger Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:19 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Index of Scripture References Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order (<$numerics>, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as azdunczyk at triad.rr.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Index of Scripture References
Roger, The first thing to realize is that many published books have indexes that were compiled by a professional indexer, working from galleys and using a dedicated indexing software tool like CINDEX or SKY Index rather than one that is built from embedded index codes in the authoring tool. But having said that, you should be able to accomplish what you seek to do using the system that Rick Quatro outlined. -FR > Subject: Index of Scripture References > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:19:02 -0400 > From: Roger_Shuttleworth at tvworks.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Hello All > > > > I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans > 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of > the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, > but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books > start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a > number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians). > > > > My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been > playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order > (<$numerics>, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker > itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in > published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. > Any ideas? I'm using FM 7.1. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Roger Shuttleworth > > London, Canada > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
You refer below to "having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph." This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only one in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied to the TimeSavers setting of "Ignore duplicate >markers" (Links/General tab, under Advanced)? Paul On Wednesday, July 15, 2009, at 12:41AM, "Shlomo Perets" wrote: >Paul, > >You wrote: > >>I am just after noticing that, in my PDFs, links that wrap and go to a >>second line are not active in the part of the link that is on the second line. >>The start of the link, on the first line, works fine. >>All x-refs that wrap in Frame work fine in Frame. >>I never saw this behavior before in a PDF made from a Frame file. >>Does anyone have any guess as to why this is happening? >>Thanks. >>I am using timesavers and IXgen, in case it matters. > > >Yes, this is related to the TimeSavers setting of "Ignore duplicate >markers" (Links/General tab, under Advanced). > >Occasionally FrameMaker processes a single hypertext marker twice or more >(this can be clearly seen in the PS file, or if you convert to PDF, with or >without TimeSavers). > >Other than turning on "Ignore duplicate markers", you can suppress >duplicate features by selecting the hypertext marker only and applying a >character property or format to it. Depending on your use for hypertext >markers, another option is to avoid having multiple hypertext markers in >the same paragraph. > >[ Note: suppressing the cross-reference link made sense in conjunction with >the "Side Links" feature, where a clickable symbol replaces the active >area, and only one symbol is needed even when the cross-reference is split >between two lines, see >http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks1.pdf or >http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks2.pdf ] > > > >Shlomo Perets > >MicroType * http://www.microtype.com >FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants > >-- > >1-hour webinars (free), starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: > >Tuesday, July 21: Effective PDF Bookmarks with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat >TimeSavers >https://student.gototraining.com/register/1035786782006430995 > >Tuesday, August 18: Enhancing PDFs with Form Fields (with FM-to-Acrobat >TimeSavers + Form Asst) >https://student.gototraining.com/register/3420308416844530916 > > > > > >
Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
Paul, Are you certain that the misbehaving links are coded in the FrameMaker source as hypertext Go to URL commands with the complete address? If not, you may be seeing one of the shortcomings of the links that Acrobat automatically creates after the fact as it parses the PDF. Acrobat is smart enough to do basic pattern matching to identify strings that start with http: or that have an @ in the middle as URLs and e-mail addresses. But it is *not* smart enough to look past the end of the current line to see if there are any additional characters that are the completion of the URL or address. -Fred Ridder > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:58:17 -0700 > From: obair at me.com > To: shlomo.perets at microtype.com > Subject: Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF > CC: framers at frameusers.com; frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com > > You refer below to "having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph." > > This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only one > in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. > > With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied to the > TimeSavers setting of "Ignore duplicate > >markers" (Links/General tab, under Advanced)? > > Paul > > On Wednesday, July 15, 2009, at 12:41AM, "Shlomo Perets" microtype.com> wrote: > >Paul, > > > >You wrote: > > > >>I am just after noticing that, in my PDFs, links that wrap and go to a > >>second line are not active in the part of the link that is on the second > >>line. > >>The start of the link, on the first line, works fine. > >>All x-refs that wrap in Frame work fine in Frame. > >>I never saw this behavior before in a PDF made from a Frame file. > >>Does anyone have any guess as to why this is happening? > >>Thanks. > >>I am using timesavers and IXgen, in case it matters. > > > > > >Yes, this is related to the TimeSavers setting of "Ignore duplicate > >markers" (Links/General tab, under Advanced). > > > >Occasionally FrameMaker processes a single hypertext marker twice or more > >(this can be clearly seen in the PS file, or if you convert to PDF, with or > >without TimeSavers). > > > >Other than turning on "Ignore duplicate markers", you can suppress > >duplicate features by selecting the hypertext marker only and applying a > >character property or format to it. Depending on your use for hypertext > >markers, another option is to avoid having multiple hypertext markers in > >the same paragraph. > > > >[ Note: suppressing the cross-reference link made sense in conjunction with > >the "Side Links" feature, where a clickable symbol replaces the active > >area, and only one symbol is needed even when the cross-reference is split > >between two lines, see > >http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks1.pdf or > >http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks2.pdf ] > > > > > > > >Shlomo Perets > > > >MicroType * http://www.microtype.com > >FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat > >TimeSavers/Assistants > > > >-- > > > >1-hour webinars (free), starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: > > > >Tuesday, July 21: Effective PDF Bookmarks with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat > >TimeSavers > >https://student.gototraining.com/register/1035786782006430995 > > > >Tuesday, August 18: Enhancing PDFs with Form Fields (with FM-to-Acrobat > >TimeSavers + Form Asst) > >https://student.gototraining.com/register/3420308416844530916 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
Paul, It is most likely that what you see is indeed related to the TimeSavers settings of "Ignore duplicate markers". I suggest that you try turning it off, redistill and inspect the result. If it is indeed the case, consider using the other workarounds mentioned to prevent a hypertext marker from being duplicated in the PDF. Shlomo At 7/16/200909:58 AM, obair wrote: >You refer below to "having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph." > >This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only >one in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. > >With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied to the >TimeSavers setting of "Ignore duplicate > >markers" (Links/General tab, under Advanced)? > >Paul > >On Wednesday, July 15, 2009, at 12:41AM, "Shlomo Perets" > wrote: > >Paul, > > > >You wrote: > > > >>I am just after noticing that, in my PDFs, links that wrap and go to a > >>second line are not active in the part of the link that is on the > second line. > >>The start of the link, on the first line, works fine. > >>All x-refs that wrap in Frame work fine in Frame. > >>I never saw this behavior before in a PDF made from a Frame file. > >>Does anyone have any guess as to why this is happening? > >>Thanks. > >>I am using timesavers and IXgen, in case it matters. > > > > > >Yes, this is related to the TimeSavers setting of "Ignore duplicate > >markers" (Links/General tab, under Advanced). > > > >Occasionally FrameMaker processes a single hypertext marker twice or more > >(this can be clearly seen in the PS file, or if you convert to PDF, with or > >without TimeSavers). > > > >Other than turning on "Ignore duplicate markers", you can suppress > >duplicate features by selecting the hypertext marker only and applying a > >character property or format to it. Depending on your use for hypertext > >markers, another option is to avoid having multiple hypertext markers in > >the same paragraph. > > > >[ Note: suppressing the cross-reference link made sense in conjunction with > >the "Side Links" feature, where a clickable symbol replaces the active > >area, and only one symbol is needed even when the cross-reference is split > >between two lines, see > >http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks1.pdf or > >http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/SideLinks2.pdf ] > > > > > > > >Shlomo Perets > > > >MicroType * http://www.microtype.com > >FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat > TimeSavers/Assistants > > > >-- > > > >1-hour webinars (free), starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: > > > >Tuesday, July 21: Effective PDF Bookmarks with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat > >TimeSavers > >https://student.gototraining.com/register/1035786782006430995 > > > >Tuesday, August 18: Enhancing PDFs with Form Fields (with FM-to-Acrobat > >TimeSavers + Form Asst) > >https://student.gototraining.com/register/3420308416844530916 > > > > > > > > > > > >
[f2a] Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF
Yes, clearing the "ignore dup markers " checkbox returns my wrapping Frame x-refs to a functional state. And I found that, in the one case that initially triggered the need for the "ignore dup markers " checkbox, if I move the hypertext marker pair to the paragraph just above where it was in Frame, and re-do the PDF, that marker is no longer double-listed in the "User Guide Changes in this Release" part of the PDF's bookmarks area. Yahoo... Thanks. Paul On Thursday, July 16, 2009, at 11:00AM, "Shlomo Perets" wrote:
Automated way to import formats?
You can use TemplateMapper... It sets up a project to manage import from a new template into a legacy book. You create map files that manage how to import individual formats (turn LegacyBody into NewBody), and load legacy, template, and map files into a project. The project can import pgf, char, table, xref fprmats, plus cond text tags, master page usage, variable names, and ref page usage. If you have a lot of importing to do, it might be the product for you. You can see more about it at http://www.cudspan.net. Cheers cud
Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent
You make many very good points, thank you for the perspective Klaus. Rick -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:48 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent Friends of FremeMaker, Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please consider the following (my personal opinion/experience): - Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage somewhere out there which still has some spare parts in their backyarad or have found out that some parts of the new cars also fit in the old ones. But You need to thind this yourself (with the help of Your friends). - Once we have an FM-realease 9 available, and related software (Acrobat) has also reached level 9 one can not assume that all combinations of old-new versions are working. There is no such thing as guaranteed backwards compatibility. Have You tried to run Word-6 macros in Word-2007? Even upwards compatibility is rare. - FrameMaker is one of the most tolerant programs I know concerning age of documents. You can still open version 3 documents in FM-9 and always save at least 1 level lower than the current version is. In FM-9 you even can save in MIF- 7. This is to serve the 'before Unicode' environments. Of course the development leaves certain functions behind (FM-9 does not support the virtual fonts needed until FM-7 for "non-western" languages). At which date cars lost their hand crank or the windows hand lever? If a thunderstorm arrives you need to have the key for the car to close the windows! - If it works, don't fix it. There are so many automatic processes out there using the good old FM-5.5 on Unix (e.g. Statistisches Amt des Kantons Luzern, Schweizerische Nationalbank) generating statistical brochures and books month after month. They will use this mechanism even after Adobe may have ceased to exist. - Like any company also Adobe wants to make money with their work. In recent time Adobe has increased interaction with their customers significantly and fixing problems in FrameMaker really has a new pace. Do You get fixes for Windows 2K any more? Of course support always concentrates on the new products and deminishes for the old ones. Even companies have only a limited 'brain' to keep knowledge. Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: ddd at daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rmelanson at spirecorp.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rmelanson%40spirecorp.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
