Re: Cleaning up color definitions
Hi Gillian, please test the feature: 'Formats' of TOOLBOX for FrameMaker 5 to 9 (www.toolboxforme.com) or Finalyser for FrameMaker 10 (www.finalyser-shop.com) you can delete the unused colors. See online-help: http://www.finalyser.com/help/#page/Finalyser%2520Online-Help/formats.xm l.07.1.html - Georg Your questions: Anyone know of a tool that allows you to clean up color definitions like BookVars cleans up variables? Thank You, Gillian Flato ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
Hi Lin, that's right the Leximation site: http://leximation.com/tools/ is great. I don't know is this site complete. In the past we had also list our TOOLBOX and FINALYSER tools, plug-ins and extendscripts on the frameusers site. Important, that vendors and list admin can update the list. Additional, I mean it would be great if one could add comments, that would be a community of links, information and comments. - Georg ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker graphic file support
On 4 Jul 2012 at 11:17, Roger Shuttleworth wrote:
Does anyone know of a definitive list of graphic file formats
supported by FM9 and 10? The Help files give a very incomplete list
(omitting PNG, GIF, EPS, etc.).
Roger, if You try to import a file you see the long list of file types in the Open dialogue:
This - of course - only if you have installed all filters (the default).
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Re: Searching the archive
Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in text insets. FrameMaker help says this: == Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the cross-reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. To prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the text inset's source document. 1. Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel. 2. Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source document. 3. Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains. 4. Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit Update References. 5. Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the updated inset. == Mike Wickham On 6/28/2012 3:35 PM, Jay Mahler wrote: Thanks Alan and Mike. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I needed. I guess I just couldn't come up with the correct search string. Here's my issue... Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5 Win 7 I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It seems best to include some material in more than one location in the manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files within the chapter files. The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual cross-reference text inserted. I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for one or more of these issues? Jay -Original Message- From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM To: Jay Mahler Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Searching the archive The archives are here: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/ Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post that include the word virtualbox): site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox This gives something like: http://bit.ly/KEyxcS HIH Alan On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote: Framers, I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to search old posts or archives. What am I missing? Jay Mahler ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.c o.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@mikewickham.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)
Mike Wickham wrote: Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in text insets. FrameMaker help says this: == Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the cross- reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. To prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the text inset's source document. 1. Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel. 2. Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source document. 3. Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains. 4. Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit Update References. 5. Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the updated inset. == They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing steps 2 and 3 with: 2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to cross-reference, go to Special Marker. 3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. And replacing step 5 with: 5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special Cross-Reference. 6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you inserted in the text inset. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...
I am working with MindTouch and their enterprise MindTouch TCS system (a step up from MindTouch Core). They still have some issues with my imports from (unstruct) FM10, although they have successfully imported other content from FM. Whatever they discover to solve my issues may trickle down to the Core product as well. In any event, I will post here what we find out. A reliable means of publishing from FM10 to a knowledgebase would be a Very Good Thing. john -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:02 PM To: rebecca officer; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ... I've spent much of the past year trying to figure out a similar transition. Short answer, the tools aren't mature enough for a $20K budget. Long answer: Confluence 4.x and MindTouch Core are the two wikis I've found that seem workable. Migrating large amounts of existing FrameMaker content to either is problematic. Here's my most recent status report on my lack of success in bulk migration from FrameMaker to Confluence (my status with MindTouch is almost exactly the same): https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Confluence+4+further+discussion?focusedCommentId=294486511#comment-294486511 Version control is the other huge sticking point. Except for a few unusable prototypes, I have found no wiki with document-level version control a la branching in Subversion or Perforce. The Confluence docs team just makes a static copy of the current release for the next release. I'd really prefer to have a dynamic system where unchanged pages were shared across multiple versions of a document and branched as necessary. status tagging (e.g. draft/final): can be easily accomplished with native features read-only access: native feature, but note license terms (MindTouch allows unlicensed read-only community users to post comments and rate pages, Confluence does not) delivery as PDF: Confluence, if the native feature doesn't cut it you can use K15t Scroll (which also sells an ePub utility); MindTouch Core (which is itself free) uses Prince, which is excellent but not cheap. AutoDesk has a hybrid system that does more or less everything you're talking about and more, but they spent a lot of money on it. The DITA XML source is stored in SDL Trisoft, which handles versioning and topic reuse. The tech writers author in XMetal. They use various tools to generate standard online help formats and PDFs. Those portions of the system were in place before they added the wiki. MindTouch built them a connector that populates the MindTouch TCS wiki from Trisoft. They also have a connector that can pull user-contributed content back into Trisoft from MindTouch, though that requires some cleanup. The wiki can generate PDFs on the fly. http://wikihelp.autodesk.com On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:02 PM, rebecca officer rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz wrote: Hi everyone Our docs team (4 of us) creates a many-thousand-page multi-chapter user manual in unstructured Frame. Lots of tables and cross-refs. Conditional text used to publish several variants. Published as PDFs a couple of times a year, delivered online. And the engineers (about 80) have a wiki that's a mish-mash of internal feature development info, some of which ends up in the user manual. I've been asked to make the user manual and the internal docs use the same source, which both writers and engineers would write. We want to work collaboratively, stop duplicating effort and come much closer to real-time updates. I'll need to include version control, content re-use, status tagging (e.g. draft/final), read-only access, and delivery as PDF and HTML. While I'm at it, I'd like to do automated builds and publish ebooks. The engineers would like the wiki to be the source. The writers want to stay with FM. I'm prepared to make everyone change tools (*grin*) but only if we have to. As a complicating factor, the engineers are all on Linux. Getting an FM licence per engineer would blow my budget (Adobe, how about selling a site licence???), and they'd have to run it in Virtual Box. I'm not seeing a happy ending there. I've got plenty of implementation time and can lay my mitts on a programmer or two. Budget's not yet set but prob around $20K. So ... Does anyone know of a good tool for round-tripping Framemaker -- Wiki? Should I be looking at XML? Any other thoughts on how I should tackle this? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com Send
Re: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
Actually, the Tool Search page at leximation.com is here .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more prominently than any others. This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add most anything that's suggested. Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I completely understand. Please contact me off-list (or on) if you have any questions. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 7/6/12 12:42 AM, Georg Eck wrote: Hi Lin, that's right the Leximation site: http://leximation.com/tools/ is great. I don't know is this site complete. In the past we had also list our TOOLBOX and FINALYSER tools, plug-ins and extendscripts on the frameusers site. Important, that vendors and list admin can update the list. Additional, I mean it would be great if one could add comments, that would be a community of links, information and comments. - Georg ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote: Actually, the Tool Search page at leximation.com is here .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more prominently than any others. This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add most anything that's suggested. Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I completely understand. Did you really? I had no idea. I'm flattered. :) I've thought for the last couple of years at least that your site was more complete than my list, and it's got that lovely search tool, too. My list was handy when your site didn't exist, but I have no need to compete. It never occurred to me that people might still be interested until someone asked me if I'd updated it lately. Then they wanted to know why not, and I referred them to your site. I suppose it's still useful if anyone wants on offline reference and, as I said, if enough people ask I'll update and find a way to distribute. So far, only two people have asked (and I think one thought I was offering actual updates to the plugins, not to a PDF document). I'm betting most people are getting their information from you. If you're sure you trust me in your database then, sure, I'm willing to give updating things a shot (although I warn you, it'll probably be about as timely as my original update was ...). At the least, one of us needs to update the ones that are no longer available, such as Bruce Foster's plugins ... I'm not really a database jockey, though, and I've never made a web site, so I hope you have good documentation somewhere! -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
On 7/6/12 10:55 AM, Lin Sims wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott Prentices...@leximation.com wrote: Actually, the Tool Search page at leximation.com is here .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more prominently than any others. This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add most anything that's suggested. Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I completely understand. Did you really? I had no idea. I'm flattered. :) I did have a list of my own, but validated against your list since it was so complete! I've thought for the last couple of years at least that your site was more complete than my list, and it's got that lovely search tool, too. My list was handy when your site didn't exist, but I have no need to compete. It never occurred to me that people might still be interested until someone asked me if I'd updated it lately. Then they wanted to know why not, and I referred them to your site. I suppose it's still useful if anyone wants on offline reference and, as I said, if enough people ask I'll update and find a way to distribute. So far, only two people have asked (and I think one thought I was offering actual updates to the plugins, not to a PDF document). I'm betting most people are getting their information from you. If you're sure you trust me in your database then, sure, I'm willing to give updating things a shot (although I warn you, it'll probably be about as timely as my original update was ...). At the least, one of us needs to update the ones that are no longer available, such as Bruce Foster's plugins ... I'm not really a database jockey, though, and I've never made a web site, so I hope you have good documentation somewhere! The system is set up to be managed through your browser, so no database or coding knowledge is needed. There is certainly room for improvements, so any observations and suggestions are more than welcome. I'll send you the info off-list and we can see where it goes! Framers .. stay tuned for a more up-to-date tools list! Cheers, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Another Year of HTML Mapping Page Woes
Hi Framers, BookHeadings and BookHTML reference pages are missing from my book, as part the first document or any other one for that matter. My regular HTML and Headings reference pages are fine. Needless to say I'm not getting multiple files based on the page-breaking scheme in my desired mapping table. Frame (9) crashes after building a single 9Mb HTML file of the whole book, instead of the 900 or so files expected. The content in that file is styled/structured about as it should be. How can I retrieve or get Frame to properly generate the Bookheadings and BookHTML pages? No, I cannot use another application--Frame's HTML conversion is just fine for my purposes, when it behaves. Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)
Richard, I agree. That would definitely make things easier. I don't use text insets, though, so I just copied the help on it, as is, not realizing that it left out important, improved steps. You might want to go to the help page (http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS58D703E4-0A1F-4b6e-90BE-5B64A61C4563.html) and tag your corrected sequence onto it. It would benefit many. Mike Wickham On 7/6/2012 9:48 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing steps 2 and 3 with: 2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to cross-reference, go to Special Marker. 3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. And replacing step 5 with: 5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special Cross-Reference. 6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you inserted in the text inset. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
re: plug-ins update
Be great to have a single source for my own use and to refer tyros to. cal ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10
You could buy a copy of Silicon Prairie's Variable Toll ($10.00) to help you compare things: http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com Alison -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:06 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10 I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm files are the same before I modify one to update the other. The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but (1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed this?) Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between windows, so I'm afraid I'll miss something. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cleaning up color definitions
Hi Gillian, please test the feature: 'Formats' of TOOLBOX for FrameMaker 5 to 9 (www.toolboxforme.com) or Finalyser for FrameMaker 10 (www.finalyser-shop.com) you can delete the unused colors. See online-help: http://www.finalyser.com/help/#page/Finalyser%2520Online-Help/formats.xm l.07.1.html - Georg Your questions: Anyone know of a tool that allows you to clean up color definitions like BookVars cleans up variables? Thank You, Gillian Flato -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120706/c35cf719/attachment.html>
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Hi Lin, that's right the Leximation site: http://leximation.com/tools/ is great. I don't know is this site complete. In the past we had also list our TOOLBOX and FINALYSER tools, plug-ins and extendscripts on the frameusers site. Important, that vendors and list admin can update the list. Additional, I mean it would be great if one could add comments, that would be a community of links, information and comments. - Georg
FrameMaker graphic file support
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Searching the archive
Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in text insets. FrameMaker help says this: == Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the cross-reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. To prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to the paragraph in the text inset's source document. 1. Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel. 2. Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source document. 3. Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains. 4. Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit > Update References. 5. Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the updated inset. == Mike Wickham On 6/28/2012 3:35 PM, Jay Mahler wrote: > Thanks Alan and Mike. > > Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I needed. I guess I > just couldn't come up with the correct search string. > > Here's my issue... > > Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5 > Win 7 > > I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It > seems best to include some material in more than one location in the > manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different > heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to > insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant > chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well > in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files > within the chapter files. > > The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes > within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in > the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location > where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of > the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual > cross-reference text inserted. > > I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for > one or more of these issues? > > Jay > > > > -Original Message- > From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:alan at alphabyte.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM > To: Jay Mahler > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Searching the archive > > The archives are here: > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/ > > Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post > that include the word virtualbox): > site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox > > This gives something like: > http://bit.ly/KEyxcS > > HIH > Alan > > On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote: >> Framers, >> >> I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question >> that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to >> search old posts or archives. What am I missing? >> >> Jay Mahler >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as alan at alphabyte.co.nz. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.c >> o.nz >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> > -- > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941, Auckland > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as info at mikewickham.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120706/317cc260/attachment.html>
Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)
Mike Wickham wrote: > Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in > text insets. FrameMaker help says this: > > == > Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset > If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the cross- > reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. To > prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to > the paragraph in the text inset's source document. > 1. Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then > clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel. > 2. Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source > document. > 3. Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains. > 4. Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the > text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit > Update References. > 5. Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that > contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the updated > inset. > == They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing steps 2 and 3 with: 2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to cross-reference, go to Special > Marker. 3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. And replacing step 5 with: 5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special > Cross-Reference. 6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you inserted in the text inset.
Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...
I am working with MindTouch and their enterprise MindTouch TCS system (a step up from MindTouch Core). They still have some issues with my imports from (unstruct) FM10, although they have successfully imported other content from FM. Whatever they discover to solve my issues may trickle down to the Core product as well. In any event, I will post here what we find out. A reliable means of publishing from FM10 to a knowledgebase would be a Very Good Thing. john -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:02 PM To: rebecca officer; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ... I've spent much of the past year trying to figure out a similar transition. Short answer, the tools aren't mature enough for a $20K budget. Long answer: Confluence 4.x and MindTouch Core are the two wikis I've found that seem workable. Migrating large amounts of existing FrameMaker content to either is problematic. Here's my most recent status report on my lack of success in bulk migration from FrameMaker to Confluence (my status with MindTouch is almost exactly the same): https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Confluence+4+further+discussion?focusedCommentId=294486511#comment-294486511 Version control is the other huge sticking point. Except for a few unusable prototypes, I have found no wiki with document-level version control a la branching in Subversion or Perforce. The Confluence docs team just makes a static copy of the current release for the next release. I'd really prefer to have a dynamic system where unchanged pages were shared across multiple versions of a document and branched as necessary. "status tagging (e.g.> draft/final)": can be easily accomplished with native features read-only access: native feature, but note license terms (MindTouch allows unlicensed read-only "community" users to post comments and rate pages, Confluence does not) delivery as PDF: Confluence, if the native feature doesn't cut it you can use K15t Scroll (which also sells an ePub utility); MindTouch Core (which is itself free) uses Prince, which is excellent but not cheap. AutoDesk has a hybrid system that does more or less everything you're talking about and more, but they spent a lot of money on it. The DITA XML source is stored in SDL Trisoft, which handles versioning and topic reuse. The tech writers author in XMetal. They use various tools to generate standard online help formats and PDFs. Those portions of the system were in place before they added the wiki. MindTouch built them a connector that populates the MindTouch TCS wiki from Trisoft. They also have a connector that can pull user-contributed content back into Trisoft from MindTouch, though that requires some cleanup. The wiki can generate PDFs on the fly. http://wikihelp.autodesk.com On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:02 PM, rebecca officer wrote: > Hi everyone > > Our docs team (4 of us) creates a many-thousand-page multi-chapter > user manual in unstructured Frame. Lots of tables and cross-refs. > Conditional text used to publish several variants. Published as PDFs a > couple of times a year, delivered online. > > And the engineers (about 80) have a wiki that's a mish-mash of > internal feature development info, some of which ends up in the user manual. > > I've been asked to make the user manual and the internal docs use the > same source, which both writers and engineers would write. We want to > work collaboratively, stop duplicating effort and come much closer to > real-time updates. > > I'll need to include version control, content re-use, status tagging (e.g. > draft/final), read-only access, and delivery as PDF and HTML. While > I'm at it, I'd like to do automated builds and publish ebooks. > > The engineers would like the wiki to be the source. The writers want > to stay with FM. I'm prepared to make everyone change tools (*grin*) > but only if we have to. > > As a complicating factor, the engineers are all on Linux. Getting an > FM licence per engineer would blow my budget (Adobe, how about selling > a site licence???), and they'd have to run it in Virtual Box. I'm not > seeing a happy ending there. > > I've got plenty of implementation time and can lay my mitts on a > programmer or two. Budget's not yet set but prob around $20K. > > So ... > > Does anyone know of a good tool for round-tripping Framemaker <--> Wiki? > > Should I be looking at XML? > > Any other thoughts on how I should tackle this? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit
Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
Actually, the "Tool Search" page at leximation.com is here .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more prominently than any others. This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add most anything that's suggested. Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I completely understand. Please contact me off-list (or on) if you have any questions. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 7/6/12 12:42 AM, Georg Eck wrote: > Hi Lin, > > that's right the Leximation site: http://leximation.com/tools/ is great. > I don't know is this site complete. > > In the past we had also list our TOOLBOX and FINALYSER > tools, plug-ins and extendscripts on the frameusers site. > > Important, that vendors and list admin can update the list. > Additional, I mean it would be great if one could add comments, > that would be a community of links, information and comments. > > - Georg -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120706/bd4554fa/attachment.html>
Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: > Actually, the "Tool Search" page at leximation.com is here .. > > http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ > > I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up > so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it > looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update > things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is > completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more > prominently than any others. > > This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, > as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add > most anything that's suggested. > > Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a > starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset > of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set > you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly > managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I > completely understand. > Did you really? I had no idea. I'm flattered. :) I've thought for the last couple of years at least that your site was more complete than my list, and it's got that lovely search tool, too. My list was handy when your site didn't exist, but I have no need to compete. It never occurred to me that people might still be interested until someone asked me if I'd updated it lately. Then they wanted to know why not, and I referred them to your site. I suppose it's still useful if anyone wants on offline reference and, as I said, if enough people ask I'll update and find a way to distribute. So far, only two people have asked (and I think one thought I was offering actual updates to the plugins, not to a PDF document). I'm betting most people are getting their information from you. If you're sure you trust me in your database then, sure, I'm willing to give updating things a shot (although I warn you, it'll probably be about as timely as my original update was ...). At the least, one of us needs to update the ones that are no longer available, such as Bruce Foster's plugins ... I'm not really a database jockey, though, and I've never made a web site, so I hope you have good documentation somewhere! -- Lin Sims
Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
On 7/6/12 10:55 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott Prentice > wrote: >> Actually, the "Tool Search" page at leximation.com is here .. >> >> http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ >> >> I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up >> so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it >> looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update >> things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is >> completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more >> prominently than any others. >> >> This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, >> as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add >> most anything that's suggested. >> >> Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a >> starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset >> of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set >> you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly >> managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I >> completely understand. >> > Did you really? I had no idea. I'm flattered. :) I did have a list of my own, but validated against your list since it was so complete! > > I've thought for the last couple of years at least that your site was > more complete than my list, and it's got that lovely search tool, too. > My list was handy when your site didn't exist, but I have no need to > compete. It never occurred to me that people might still be interested > until someone asked me if I'd updated it lately. Then they wanted to > know why not, and I referred them to your site. > > I suppose it's still useful if anyone wants on offline reference and, > as I said, if enough people ask I'll update and find a way to > distribute. So far, only two people have asked (and I think one > thought I was offering actual updates to the plugins, not to a PDF > document). I'm betting most people are getting their information from > you. > > If you're sure you trust me in your database then, sure, I'm willing > to give updating things a shot (although I warn you, it'll probably be > about as timely as my original update was ...). At the least, one of > us needs to update the ones that are no longer available, such as > Bruce Foster's plugins ... > > I'm not really a database jockey, though, and I've never made a web > site, so I hope you have good documentation somewhere! The system is set up to be managed through your browser, so no database or coding knowledge is needed. There is certainly room for improvements, so any observations and suggestions are more than welcome. I'll send you the info off-list and we can see where it goes! Framers .. stay tuned for a more up-to-date tools list! Cheers, ...scott > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120706/926e3726/attachment.html>
Another Year of HTML Mapping Page Woes
Hi Framers, BookHeadings and BookHTML reference pages are missing from my book, as part the first document or any other one for that matter. My regular HTML and Headings reference pages are fine. Needless to say I'm not getting multiple files based on the page-breaking scheme in my desired mapping table. Frame (9) crashes after building a single 9Mb HTML file of the whole book, instead of the 900 or so files expected. The content in that file is styled/structured about as it should be. How can I retrieve or get Frame to properly generate the Bookheadings and BookHTML pages? No, I cannot use another application--Frame's HTML conversion is just fine for my purposes, when it behaves. Thanks, Karen
Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)
Richard, I agree. That would definitely make things easier. I don't use text insets, though, so I just copied the help on it, as is, not realizing that it left out important, improved steps. You might want to go to the help page (http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS58D703E4-0A1F-4b6e-90BE-5B64A61C4563.html) and tag your corrected sequence onto it. It would benefit many. Mike Wickham On 7/6/2012 9:48 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: > They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete > it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and > it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing > steps 2 and 3 with: > 2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to > cross-reference, go to Special > Marker. > 3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text > to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. > And replacing step 5 with: > 5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special > > Cross-Reference. > 6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set > Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you > inserted in the text inset.
plug-ins update
Be great to have a single source for my own use and to refer tyros to. cal -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120706/b25c16d8/attachment.html>
Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...
Something I didn't make clear in my earlier post: MindTouch Core is free and supported only through a user forum. MindTouch TCS is a commercial hosted version with support and some extra features. TCS was what I was referring to when I said that MindTouch has unlimited free "community" users who can post comments and rate pages. The annual hosting fee is based on the number of "pro" users who can create and edit pages, use the admin interface, and so on. One sticking point I encountered with MindTouch was trying to create the equivalent of Confluence "spaces." By default, it displays the entire wiki in a single page tree / table of contents, so if you have versions 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, and 3.1 of a document, each will have its own branch of the tree (e.g. /product_name/2.1/user_guide). I don't think it's particularly difficult to make a branch of the tree appear as a separate entity (lots of MindTouch sites do that), it's just not documented and when I asked how to do it on the MindTouch Core forum nobody posted an example. If you go with TCS, they'd typically include setting up that sort of thing in the initial setup fee. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Sgammato wrote: > I am working with MindTouch and their enterprise MindTouch TCS system (a step > up from MindTouch Core). > They still have some issues with my imports from (unstruct) FM10, although > they have successfully imported other content from FM. Whatever they discover > to solve my issues may trickle down to the Core product as well. In any > event, I will post here what we find out. A reliable means of publishing from > FM10 to a knowledgebase would be a Very Good Thing.
Variables pod problems
Windows 7 64 bit, Frame 9, just updated to latest version today. My Variables pod is fouled up. There is a white rectangle across all but the Insert and Create New buttons. Some of them still pop up tooltips on mouse over but some don't. On top of this, when I select a custom variable that I want to change and click the Edit button (based on the tool tip, I can't actually see the button), it takes me to the Add/Edit Variable pod, but the Name and Definition fields are blank. Combined, these two problems totally prevent me from making any changes to my variables. My other activated copy of Frame is on an XP machine (SP 3) and this problem doesn't occur there. It's not really an option, though, to do my work on that computer. Help? Thank you, Tim CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, forwarding, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete it and all attachments from your computer and network. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120706/20d13da4/attachment.html>
comparing variables in .fm files in FM10
I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm files are the same before I modify one to update the other. The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but (1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed this?) Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between windows, so I'm afraid I'll miss something.
Import PDF Comments
I just noticed that command next to Import Formats. Anybody used it?
comparing variables in .fm files in FM10
You could buy a copy of Silicon Prairie's Variable Toll ($10.00) to help you compare things: http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com Alison -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:06 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10 I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm files are the same before I modify one to update the other. The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but (1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed this?) Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between windows, so I'm afraid I'll miss something. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.craig at ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
