Fm+Sharepoint?
Hi group Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or bad experiences you wish to share? Thanks. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Confluence 4 export: the one feature that would justify my upgrading from FM10
What are Confluence extracts? On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:50 PM, rebecca officer rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz wrote: ... 1) use MIF2Go to export Confluence 4 XHTML from FM 2) import the output into Confluence one page at a time 3) manually muck with each page to convert the conditional text to Confluence extracts ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato gillian.fl...@nexenta.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Powerpoint to FrameMaker
You might try saving as RTF from PowerPoint and importing that into a FM document. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Pat Christenson pxen...@gmail.com wrote: I have material in Powerpoint (text and graphics) that need to be transferred to FrameMaker 9. I'm assuming this is a cut-and-paste procedure but if anyone has any tips, I'd appreciate hearing about them. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Powerpoint to FrameMaker
My copy of PowerPoint (2010 aka 14) can't save as .doc or .docx, only .rtf. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: You can save PPT to Word and import that into FM. How easy it'll be really depends on how the PPT was designed. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to generate an index of names without markers (or by automated insertion of markers)
Hi Björn I think you could do this with search-and-replace, especially for names that aren't also words. For example, make an index marker for the name Bradbury, then paste the marker immediately after an instance of the name Bradbury. Then copy the name + the marker. Then use search-and-replace to find all examples of Bradbury and replace them by pasting. That'd replace Bradbury with Bradbury + marker. Cheers Rebecca Björn Mattssonbjor...@bredband.net 25/11/12 08:19 Hi all. I have received a request from a client, late in a huge book project, to generate an index with all of the names of people that are mentioned in the book. We have been supplied with a list of names and the client thinks that we can just press a button to compile the index. This is not the case of course, but the client insists that it should be done. What I am looking for is a way to locate a name in the document, find out the page number and then create an index looking like this: Adams, Douglas 42 Bradbury, Ray 451 Dumas, Alexandre 20, 45 etc. I am fairly experienced Framemaker user but I can not come up with a way of doing this without inserting (Author) markers for every instance where one of the listed names occur in the text. This would be hundreds of places, and we would have to view each page manually. I have tried my best to come up with some (semi)automated way of achieving this but the only thing I can think of would be to save the document as mif and write some sort of script that parses the text file inserting marker elements where it finds any of the listed names. Probably time consuming, and highly unsafe or at least unpredictable. My question to all you experts is if there is any way to get this done using Framemaker itself, or a plug-in for Framemaker, or using any other tool you might think of. For this project we use Framemaker 7.2. Thanks for any input, Björn Mattsson Sweden ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40alliedtelesis.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fm+Sharepoint?
Yves, At this point I am only using MySpace on SharePoint, and I have a number of .dita and .xml files stored there. As I have recently had a machine upgrade and software upgrade (From XP to 7, Office 2007 to 2010, and TCS3 to TCS4 - and IT also upgraded from SPserver 2007 to 2010) I can't tell what influenced the difference... However, I used to be able to open Frame and DITA files from MySpace and they would open in Frame. Now, nothing happens. We are developing new workflows and processes and will need Frame/DITA/XML files to work with SharePoint (or we need to get a real CCMS). I am due to get two days of SharePoint training next Monday/Tuesday so may be able to a give a better answer next week. Also looking forward to hearing from others. Best regards, Ant On 27 November 2012 at 08:49 Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or bad experiences you wish to share? Thanks. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu http://www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@ant-davey.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ant%40ant-davey.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fm+Sharepoint?
We're using FM 11 and SharePoint 2010. Our DITA project has a few hundred files. For check-in/check-out and version management, it's acceptable. The time to load the list of files when you want to insert a graphic into a topic is measurable in long seconds, and I wish that were faster. I'd like to hear others' experiences. In terms of DITA management, it doesn't do much. SharePoint has no mechanism for keeping track of relationships between files, so you don't get the file and folder name management, conref lookup, and so on that you need. You'd have to build DITA-awareness yourself with custom code, or buy it if you can. Every commercial offering I've found comes with a sales pitch to turn your whole organization into a DITA-SharePoint operation through extensive consulting services. If anyone is selling a simple DITA database plugin, I haven't found it yet. FM's SharePoint Connector does have dependency awareness, but Adobe's implementation relies on an FMDependency field added to the SharePoint library columns. This field contains a delimited list of all files referenced by a file. If you want to write your own custom code to manage file name changes, then you're stuck with keeping this field up to date as well. Since you're sharing it with Adobe, you may feel uneasy about this. I know I do. On 2012-11-27 03:49, Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or bad experiences you wish to share? Thanks. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu http://www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jow...@magma.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7734 (20121126) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Powerpoint to FrameMaker
Robert Lauriston wrote: My copy of PowerPoint (2010 aka 14) can't save as .doc or .docx, only .rtf. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: You can save PPT to Word and import that into FM. How easy it'll be really depends on how the PPT was designed. I have PPT 2007, and can't save as DOC, DOCX, or RTF. My only options are PDF, ODF, XPS, HTML, MHTML, a bunch of PPT formats, and a bunch of graphics formats. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Powerpoint to FrameMaker
On 26/11/2012 5:40 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: Pat Christenson wrote: I have material in Powerpoint (text and graphics) that need to be transferred to FrameMaker 9. If you want to reuse the text and graphics, but not as they appear in the PPT slides, you'll probably have to cut and paste. But you might experiment with saving the PPT file as HTML. If nothing else, that should give you the graphics as individual files, and that may be both more convenient and better quality than if you copy/paste them. If you have the later versions of Powerpoint that save as .pptx, you can access the original graphics with this method: 1. Save as .pptx (if it's not already in that format). 2. Close Powerpoint. 3. Rename your file.pptx to file.zip. (Dismiss the warning.) 4. Unzip the file. Several folders will be created. 5. Open the media folder to see all the graphics. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Powerpoint to FrameMaker
Sorry, I meant .rtf. You may want to clean up the .rtf in Word before importing to FrameMaker. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.comwrote: My copy of PowerPoint (2010 aka 14) can't save as .doc or .docx, only .rtf. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: You can save PPT to Word and import that into FM. How easy it'll be really depends on how the PPT was designed. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as techcommd...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Bill Swallow Writing and Content Strategy Consultant http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Powerpoint to FrameMaker
The version I have can only save the outline as rtf. Pat On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: My copy of PowerPoint (2010 aka 14) can't save as .doc or .docx, only .rtf. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: You can save PPT to Word and import that into FM. How easy it'll be really depends on how the PPT was designed. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as pxen...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pxenson%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: framers Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26
Hi Gillian, In the same sense both XMetaL and Oxygen also are out-of-the-box complete DITA solutions. You can create, edit, modify, publish DITA content out of the box using the default templates that come with the tool, to PDF, HTML, Help etc.. What all these tools don't have is the option to manage the dita topics. Unless you're satisfied with storing the contents in a file system you'll definitely need a third party tool for content management. And as soon as you need to adapt the stylesheets to your company look and feel or if you start using filtering or even customization or have more complex publishing needs - in all tools you'll have to rework stylesheets, or EDD's or other files. For publishing you'll find the need to buy additional tools soon enough, even with Adobe TCS4. So, 'out of the box' is a simplification but good enough to get started though. To answer your question: I'm a happy FM user and will sure encourage you download the trial to see for yourself. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 + From: Gillian Flato To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Message-ID: ae1ba1a988f05544a2a0e2292e5c356c52611...@ausp01dag0109.collaborationhost.ne t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato gillian.fl...@nexenta.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Hi Gillian... As I'm sure you're aware, I'm a big proponent of using Frame for DITA authoring, but I do try to remain reasonably objective when comparing it to other DITA tools. The big thing that sets TCS apart from other DITA authoring tools is that in addition to authoring, it provides a more complete publishing solution for both PDF and various online formats. Other authoring tools will likely bundle the DITA-OT as the publishing tool, which can work quite well, if you've got XSLT developers at your disposal. The HTML-based formats aren't too much work to customize, but if PDF is an important deliverable, you're in for a lot of time and money to get XSL-FO styleheets built that would be something you'd deliver to your customers. Because TCS includes RoboHelp, you'll find it much easier to get online Help from DITA, and you'll be hard-pressed to get PDFs from the OT that come close to what you can get from Frame. Personally, I use Frame for authoring DITA and Oxygen for coding XML/XSL. Oxygen is a great tool, but I much prefer the authoring experience with Frame over any other tool out there. I publish PDFs from Frame (via DITA-FMx), and use the OT for my online outputs (HTML, CHM, and EPUB). Samples here .. http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/1.1/ If you do decide to use Frame/TCS for DITA, you should check out DITA-FMx, which provides numerous additional authoring features, as well as makes publishing complete and PDF-ready books much easier than the default options .. http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/ Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 11/26/12 11:08 AM, Gillian Flato wrote: I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3^rd -party scripts, etc. *Thank You,* ** *Gillian Flato* *Senior Content Developer* *Skype: Gillian.B.Flato* *gillian.fl...@nexenta.com* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Hello Gillian Regarding your question about TCS4 being the complete solution for DITA. You have to analyze that statement rather carefully and remember it's from the evangelist! The comments below are from a TCS4 user. First, several of the components of TCS4 have nothing at all to do with DITA - Captivate, Illustrator, RoboScreen Capture, and Acrobat. That basically leaves FrameMaker and RoboHelp as candidates. So right there you ask yourself: would buying just FM and RH be better and/or cheaper? FrameMaker does come with DTDs, EDDs, and templates provided, so you can immediately create, save, and open DITA XML documents. You'd want to tweak the templates, of course, and it helps if you are familiar with EDDs. As an XML editor, FM11 in my view is a big step forward from 9 and 10, but I doubt it can compete with oXygen or xMetal (I have not used the latter). The ability to output fine PDF is a key difference in favour of FM. There are some deficiencies in FM, which Scott Prentice has identified in his comparison at http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php (that comparison covers FM10 but not 11, but it's still applicable). You may want to supplement FM11 with DITA-FMx, though there are pros and cons for that too. Moving on to RoboHelp: RH was fundamentally designed as an HTML authoring tool. Integration with FrameMaker has been cobbled into it, and it works on book files, not ditamaps. So you have to create your book from a ditamap in FM, then open the book in RH. RoboHelp can also process ditamaps directly, but it rather depends on the day of the week and how you hold your mouth. I sometimes have a problem with the mouth part. DITA support in RH has a lng way to go, and the glowing reports I read of DITA support in WebWorks (not cheap) give me the impression that is probably the better tool. Having said all that, yes, you can use TCS4 to output DITA to PDF and HTML (we do it). If you don't want impressive PDF, FM is inferior to the alternatives you mention. If you're happy to just have FM and forgo the other TCS4 components, there are other tools you could use with FM alone to create output from DITA files: WebWorks, as mentioned, DITA2Go, etc. Hope this helps alleviate some of the marketing overhead! Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada On 26/11/2012 2:08 PM, Gillian Flato wrote: I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3^rd -party scripts, etc. *Thank You,* ** *Gillian Flato* *Senior Content Developer* *Skype: Gillian.B.Flato* *gillian.fl...@nexenta.com* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shutti...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shuttie27%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
I am currently working a contract for a company where we are writing DITA files using FM11 (not TCS 4). Producing DITA using FM 11 is fairly easy, but there as some caveats. The built in EDDs, etc. allow producing more-or-less adequate PDF using SaveAsPDF from ditamap files. To get TOCs, covers and other nicities, you have to save the ditamap as a composite FM file and then add the additional files into a FM book containing the composite file. Exactly how to massage paragraph formats to get the results you desire withing the composite FM file is not transparent. Structured documents are more difficult to change the formats in since the EDD is the source of that information. (Any tips on how to get the notes that are warnings and cautions will be accepted with much happiness from anyone reading this.) Another avenue to PDF (as well as HTMLHELP, javaHelp and other formats) comes through using the DITA Open Toolkit. This is now easy to install so you get what you need and the results are great for many of the formats. Most of the help systems offered come through without muss or fuss except for an occasional unrecognized character that can cause problems but is easily fixed). My boss was astounded at the ease of producing HTMLHelp in this way. The DITAOpenToolkit PDF is equally easy to produce from a ditamap, but, of course, has a different look than the SaveAsPDF from FM11. This is because it uses CSS templates to format the output. The result is a terrible cover sheet, a great TOC, nice formatting of Warnings and the like. The regular notes icon is terrible; a finger pointing to the note that seems totally out of place [it reminds me of the similar character used by Walt Kelly in the world ballons for the P.T. Bridgeport character from POGO]. Wading into the OpenToolkits templates to modify the CSS is daughting, but doable. There are tips on this that pop up if you search the web, but, again, it is not particularly straightforward. Be sure to save the original copy of each template before modifying. My experience with DITA is that it is great at reducing duplication in manuals, aids in breaking apart tasks that actually combined multiple tasks in one (thus making them both clearer and more reusable), and helps to identify material in manuals that just got in there because the designers of a machine were enamoured of explaining how the pieces of it work (even if that information is useless for any operator or maintainance task). I love it! However, I would take the statement that TCS 4 offers a single out-of-the-box solution with a big grain of salt. I am going to send a separate posting with some DITA codeview interface complaints for Adobe to consider as areas where improvement is desired (at least from this user). Thanks. Craig EdeFrom: gillian.fl...@nexenta.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 + I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don’t have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato gillian.fl...@nexenta.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Thanks for the response. -Gillian From: Roger Shuttleworth [mailto:shutti...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:10 AM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Hello Gillian Regarding your question about TCS4 being the complete solution for DITA. You have to analyze that statement rather carefully and remember it's from the evangelist! The comments below are from a TCS4 user. First, several of the components of TCS4 have nothing at all to do with DITA - Captivate, Illustrator, RoboScreen Capture, and Acrobat. That basically leaves FrameMaker and RoboHelp as candidates. So right there you ask yourself: would buying just FM and RH be better and/or cheaper? FrameMaker does come with DTDs, EDDs, and templates provided, so you can immediately create, save, and open DITA XML documents. You'd want to tweak the templates, of course, and it helps if you are familiar with EDDs. As an XML editor, FM11 in my view is a big step forward from 9 and 10, but I doubt it can compete with oXygen or xMetal (I have not used the latter). The ability to output fine PDF is a key difference in favour of FM. There are some deficiencies in FM, which Scott Prentice has identified in his comparison at http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php (that comparison covers FM10 but not 11, but it's still applicable). You may want to supplement FM11 with DITA-FMx, though there are pros and cons for that too. Moving on to RoboHelp: RH was fundamentally designed as an HTML authoring tool. Integration with FrameMaker has been cobbled into it, and it works on book files, not ditamaps. So you have to create your book from a ditamap in FM, then open the book in RH. RoboHelp can also process ditamaps directly, but it rather depends on the day of the week and how you hold your mouth. I sometimes have a problem with the mouth part. DITA support in RH has a lng way to go, and the glowing reports I read of DITA support in WebWorks (not cheap) give me the impression that is probably the better tool. Having said all that, yes, you can use TCS4 to output DITA to PDF and HTML (we do it). If you don't want impressive PDF, FM is inferior to the alternatives you mention. If you're happy to just have FM and forgo the other TCS4 components, there are other tools you could use with FM alone to create output from DITA files: WebWorks, as mentioned, DITA2Go, etc. Hope this helps alleviate some of the marketing overhead! Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada On 26/11/2012 2:08 PM, Gillian Flato wrote: I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato gillian.fl...@nexenta.commailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shutti...@gmail.commailto:shutti...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shuttie27%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Thanks Craig. Appreciate the response. -Gillian From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:50 AM To: Gillian Flato; framers Subject: RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution I am currently working a contract for a company where we are writing DITA files using FM11 (not TCS 4). Producing DITA using FM 11 is fairly easy, but there as some caveats. The built in EDDs, etc. allow producing more-or-less adequate PDF using SaveAsPDF from ditamap files. To get TOCs, covers and other nicities, you have to save the ditamap as a composite FM file and then add the additional files into a FM book containing the composite file. Exactly how to massage paragraph formats to get the results you desire withing the composite FM file is not transparent. Structured documents are more difficult to change the formats in since the EDD is the source of that information. (Any tips on how to get the notes that are warnings and cautions will be accepted with much happiness from anyone reading this.) Another avenue to PDF (as well as HTMLHELP, javaHelp and other formats) comes through using the DITA Open Toolkit. This is now easy to install so you get what you need and the results are great for many of the formats. Most of the help systems offered come through without muss or fuss except for an occasional unrecognized character that can cause problems but is easily fixed). My boss was astounded at the ease of producing HTMLHelp in this way. The DITAOpenToolkit PDF is equally easy to produce from a ditamap, but, of course, has a different look than the SaveAsPDF from FM11. This is because it uses CSS templates to format the output. The result is a terrible cover sheet, a great TOC, nice formatting of Warnings and the like. The regular notes icon is terrible; a finger pointing to the note that seems totally out of place [it reminds me of the similar character used by Walt Kelly in the world ballons for the P.T. Bridgeport character from POGO]. Wading into the OpenToolkits templates to modify the CSS is daughting, but doable. There are tips on this that pop up if you search the web, but, again, it is not particularly straightforward. Be sure to save the original copy of each template before modifying. My experience with DITA is that it is great at reducing duplication in manuals, aids in breaking apart tasks that actually combined multiple tasks in one (thus making them both clearer and more reusable), and helps to identify material in manuals that just got in there because the designers of a machine were enamoured of explaining how the pieces of it work (even if that information is useless for any operator or maintainance task). I love it! However, I would take the statement that TCS 4 offers a single out-of-the-box solution with a big grain of salt. I am going to send a separate posting with some DITA codeview interface complaints for Adobe to consider as areas where improvement is desired (at least from this user). Thanks. Craig Ede From: gillian.fl...@nexenta.commailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 + I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato gillian.fl...@nexenta.commailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
menu-command macro recorder utility for FM?
Is there an old-fashioned menu-command macro recorder that's compatible with FrameMaker 10? I want to automate some simple but time-consuming build processes. For example: open book, set conditions, update, save as PDF, set conditions, update, close book, launch batch file to generate online help. Both ExtendScript and FrameScript require that I learn a complex object model and neither comes with sample scripts or straightforward documentation on doing the kind of stuff I need to do. Both seem designed for developers who want to extend or customize the application, not for end users who want to automate common tasks. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
When I evaluated Oxygen XML, it seemed like a full-featured single-source help authoring tool much like Madcap Flare, except using DITA as its source format. Out-of-the-box web help and PDF output seemed of professional quality to me. I could have been productive immediately. TCS 3.5 / FrameMaker 10, on the other hand, I was unable to evaluate (even though I'm fairly expert in unstructured FrameMaker) due to the lack of documentation and samples for doing DITA with structured FrameMaker. I know from reading other people's reports that it can be used to author DITA and DocBook projects, but figuring out how to do it would have required some sort of third-party consulting, training, or add-ons. Maybe TCS 4 / FrameMaker 11 has better samples and documentation, but I looked for such improvements when it came out and did not find them. Another weakness of TCS: all else being equal, I would prefer not to create any new projects involving RoboHelp. I've found it inflexible and buggy, and had to use MIF2Go for some output formats RoboHelp could not generate. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote: ... The big thing that sets TCS apart from other DITA authoring tools is that in addition to authoring, it provides a more complete publishing solution for both PDF and various online formats. ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ANN: 1-hr webinar: Multimedia in PDFs (with FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers+Multimedia Asst), Dec 12
Wed, Dec 12, starting 10am PST (free; no hype, no fluff, no nonsense) With Multimedia Assistant (FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers extension), you use hypertext markers to define access (embed or link) to multimedia files in all formats supported by Acrobat/Reader, so that the defined features (including media settings and bookmarks to media) are automatically present in the PDF file. Movies defined this way can also be web-based -- served from your company's site, or from video hosting services such as Screencast, Vimeo, CloudFront, Youtube For some PDF examples of what can be done, please visit the Showcase section at http://microtype.com (Multimedia Asst section) -- I will demonstrate/discuss these examples (and more) in the webinar. Note: webinar topics apply to all versions of FM Register at https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/6203833078102875648 Other upcoming webinars: * Better PDFs with FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers, Nov 28 https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/7685348030448593664 * Creating PDF Forms (with FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers+Form Assistant), Dec 5 https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/9161361026877549056 Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://microtype.com FrameMaker/TCS training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
Fm+Sharepoint?
Hi group Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or bad experiences you wish to share? Thanks. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/6503e752/attachment.html>
How to generate an index of names without markers (or by automated insertion of markers)
Hi Bj?rn I think you could do this with search-and-replace, especially for names that aren't also words. For example, make an index marker for the name "Bradbury", then paste the marker immediately after an instance of the name Bradbury. Then copy the name + the marker. Then use search-and-replace to find all examples of "Bradbury" and replace them by pasting. That'd replace "Bradbury" with "Bradbury + marker". Cheers Rebecca >>> Bj?rn Mattsson 25/11/12 08:19 >>> Hi all. I have received a request from a client, late in a huge book project, to generate an index with all of the names of people that are mentioned in the book. We have been supplied with a list of names and the client thinks that we can just "press a button" to compile the index. This is not the case of course, but the client insists that it should be done. What I am looking for is a way to locate a name in the document, find out the page number and then create an index looking like this: Adams, Douglas 42 Bradbury, Ray 451 Dumas, Alexandre 20, 45 etc. I am fairly experienced Framemaker user but I can not come up with a way of doing this without inserting (Author) markers for every instance where one of the listed names occur in the text. This would be hundreds of places, and we would have to view each page manually. I have tried my best to come up with some (semi)automated way of achieving this but the only thing I can think of would be to save the document as mif and write some sort of script that parses the text file inserting marker elements where it finds any of the listed names. Probably time consuming, and highly unsafe or at least unpredictable. My question to all you experts is if there is any way to get this done using Framemaker itself, or a plug-in for Framemaker, or using any other tool you might think of. For this project we use Framemaker 7.2. Thanks for any input, Bj?rn Mattsson Sweden ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rebecca.officer at alliedtelesis.co.nz. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40alliedtelesis.co.nz Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/7a84b5fa/attachment.html>
Fm+Sharepoint?
Yves, At this point I am only using MySpace on SharePoint, and I have a number of .dita and .xml files stored there. As I have recently had a machine upgrade and software upgrade (From XP to 7, Office 2007 to 2010, and TCS3 to TCS4 - and IT also upgraded from SPserver 2007 to 2010) I can't tell what influenced the difference... However, I used to be able to open Frame and DITA files from MySpace and they would open in Frame. Now, nothing happens. We are developing new workflows and processes and will need Frame/DITA/XML files to work with SharePoint (or we need to get a real CCMS). I am due to get two days of SharePoint training next Monday/Tuesday so may be able to a give a better answer next week. Also looking forward to hearing from others. Best regards, Ant On 27 November 2012 at 08:49 Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or bad > experiences you wish to share? > > Thanks. > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu <http://www.scripto.nu> > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as ant at ant-davey.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ant%40ant-davey.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/66eac693/attachment.html>
Fm+Sharepoint?
We're using FM 11 and SharePoint 2010. Our DITA project has a few hundred files. For check-in/check-out and version management, it's acceptable. The time to load the list of files when you want to insert a graphic into a topic is measurable in long seconds, and I wish that were faster. I'd like to hear others' experiences. In terms of DITA management, it doesn't do much. SharePoint has no mechanism for keeping track of relationships between files, so you don't get the file and folder name management, conref lookup, and so on that you need. You'd have to build "DITA-awareness" yourself with custom code, or buy it if you can. Every commercial offering I've found comes with a sales pitch to turn your whole organization into a DITA-SharePoint operation through extensive consulting services. If anyone is selling a simple DITA database plugin, I haven't found it yet. FM's SharePoint Connector does have dependency awareness, but Adobe's implementation relies on an "FMDependency" field added to the SharePoint library columns. This field contains a delimited list of all files referenced by a file. If you want to write your own custom code to manage file name changes, then you're stuck with keeping this field up to date as well. Since you're sharing it with Adobe, you may feel uneasy about this. I know I do. On 2012-11-27 03:49, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or > bad experiences you wish to share? > > Thanks. > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu <http://www.scripto.nu> > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jowens at magma.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7734 (20121126) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/af7ef398/attachment.html>
Powerpoint to FrameMaker
Robert Lauriston wrote: > My copy of PowerPoint (2010 aka 14) can't save as .doc or .docx, only > .rtf. > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill Swallow > wrote: > > You can save PPT to Word and import that into FM. How easy it'll be > really > > depends on how the PPT was designed. I have PPT 2007, and can't save as DOC, DOCX, or RTF. My only options are PDF, ODF, XPS, HTML, MHTML, a bunch of PPT formats, and a bunch of graphics formats. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
Powerpoint to FrameMaker
On 26/11/2012 5:40 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Pat Christenson wrote: > >> I have material in Powerpoint (text and graphics) that need to be >> transferred to FrameMaker 9. > If you want to reuse the text and graphics, but not as they appear in > the PPT slides, you'll probably have to cut and paste. But you might > experiment with saving the PPT file as HTML. If nothing else, that > should give you the graphics as individual files, and that may be > both more convenient and better quality than if you copy/paste them. > If you have the later versions of Powerpoint that save as .pptx, you can access the original graphics with this method: 1. Save as .pptx (if it's not already in that format). 2. Close Powerpoint. 3. Rename your file.pptx to file.zip. (Dismiss the warning.) 4. Unzip the file. Several folders will be created. 5. Open the "media" folder to see all the graphics. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
Powerpoint to FrameMaker
Sorry, I meant .rtf. You may want to clean up the .rtf in Word before importing to FrameMaker. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > My copy of PowerPoint (2010 aka 14) can't save as .doc or .docx, only .rtf. > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill Swallow > wrote: > > You can save PPT to Word and import that into FM. How easy it'll be > really > > depends on how the PPT was designed. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as techcommdood at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Bill Swallow Writing and Content Strategy Consultant http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/3db029e9/attachment.html>
Powerpoint to FrameMaker
The version I have can only save the outline as rtf. Pat On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > My copy of PowerPoint (2010 aka 14) can't save as .doc or .docx, only .rtf. > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill Swallow > wrote: >> You can save PPT to Word and import that into FM. How easy it'll be really >> depends on how the PPT was designed. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as pxenson at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pxenson%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
framers Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26
Hi Gillian, In the same sense both XMetaL and Oxygen also are out-of-the-box complete DITA solutions. You can create, edit, modify, publish DITA content out of the box using the default templates that come with the tool, to PDF, HTML, Help etc.. What all these tools don't have is the option to manage the dita topics. Unless you're satisfied with storing the contents in a file system you'll definitely need a third party tool for content management. And as soon as you need to adapt the stylesheets to your company look and feel or if you start using filtering or even customization or have more complex publishing needs - in all tools you'll have to rework stylesheets, or EDD's or other files. For publishing you'll find the need to buy additional tools soon enough, even with Adobe TCS4. So, 'out of the box' is a simplification but good enough to get started though. To answer your question: I'm a happy FM user and will sure encourage you download the trial to see for yourself. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 + From: Gillian Flato < > To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Hi Gillian... As I'm sure you're aware, I'm a big proponent of using Frame for DITA authoring, but I do try to remain reasonably objective when comparing it to other DITA tools. The big thing that sets TCS apart from other DITA authoring tools is that in addition to authoring, it provides a more complete publishing solution for both PDF and various online formats. Other authoring tools will likely bundle the DITA-OT as the publishing tool, which can work quite well, if you've got XSLT developers at your disposal. The HTML-based formats aren't too much work to customize, but if PDF is an important deliverable, you're in for a lot of time and money to get XSL-FO styleheets built that would be something you'd deliver to your customers. Because TCS includes RoboHelp, you'll find it much easier to get online Help from DITA, and you'll be hard-pressed to get PDFs from the OT that come close to what you can get from Frame. Personally, I use Frame for authoring DITA and Oxygen for coding XML/XSL. Oxygen is a great tool, but I much prefer the authoring experience with Frame over any other tool out there. I publish PDFs from Frame (via DITA-FMx), and use the OT for my online outputs (HTML, CHM, and EPUB). Samples here .. http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/1.1/ If you do decide to use Frame/TCS for DITA, you should check out DITA-FMx, which provides numerous additional authoring features, as well as makes publishing complete and PDF-ready books much easier than the default options .. http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/ Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 11/26/12 11:08 AM, Gillian Flato wrote: > > I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe > on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA > solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to > third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. > > Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking > it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen > with 3^rd -party scripts, etc. > > *Thank You,* > > ** > > *Gillian Flato* > > *Senior Content Developer* > > *Skype: Gillian.B.Flato* > > *Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com* > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/3623d104/attachment.html>
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Hello Gillian Regarding your question about TCS4 being the "complete solution" for DITA. You have to analyze that statement rather carefully and remember it's from the evangelist! The comments below are from a TCS4 user. First, several of the components of TCS4 have nothing at all to do with DITA - Captivate, Illustrator, RoboScreen Capture, and Acrobat. That basically leaves FrameMaker and RoboHelp as candidates. So right there you ask yourself: would buying just FM and RH be better and/or cheaper? FrameMaker does come with DTDs, EDDs, and templates provided, so you can immediately create, save, and open DITA XML documents. You'd want to tweak the templates, of course, and it helps if you are familiar with EDDs. As an XML editor, FM11 in my view is a big step forward from 9 and 10, but I doubt it can compete with oXygen or xMetal (I have not used the latter). The ability to output fine PDF is a key difference in favour of FM. There are some deficiencies in FM, which Scott Prentice has identified in his comparison at http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php (that comparison covers FM10 but not 11, but it's still applicable). You may want to supplement FM11 with DITA-FMx, though there are pros and cons for that too. Moving on to RoboHelp: RH was fundamentally designed as an HTML authoring tool. Integration with FrameMaker has been cobbled into it, and it works on book files, not ditamaps. So you have to create your book from a ditamap in FM, then open the book in RH. RoboHelp can also process ditamaps directly, but it rather depends on the day of the week and how you hold your mouth. I sometimes have a problem with the mouth part. DITA support in RH has a lng way to go, and the glowing reports I read of DITA support in WebWorks (not cheap) give me the impression that is probably the better tool. Having said all that, yes, you can use TCS4 to output DITA to PDF and HTML (we do it). If you don't want impressive PDF, FM is inferior to the alternatives you mention. If you're happy to just have FM and forgo the other TCS4 components, there are other tools you could use with FM alone to create output from DITA files: WebWorks, as mentioned, DITA2Go, etc. Hope this helps alleviate some of the marketing overhead! Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada On 26/11/2012 2:08 PM, Gillian Flato wrote: > > I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe > on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA > solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to > third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. > > Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking > it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen > with 3^rd -party scripts, etc. > > *Thank You,* > > ** > > *Gillian Flato* > > *Senior Content Developer* > > *Skype: Gillian.B.Flato* > > *Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com* > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as shuttie27 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shuttie27%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/5eba0b0d/attachment.html>
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
I am currently working a contract for a company where we are writing DITA files using FM11 (not TCS 4). Producing DITA using FM 11 is fairly easy, but there as some caveats. The built in EDDs, etc. allow producing more-or-less adequate PDF using SaveAsPDF from ditamap files. To get TOCs, covers and other nicities, you have to save the ditamap as a composite FM file and then add the additional files into a FM book containing the composite file. Exactly how to massage paragraph formats to get the results you desire withing the composite FM file is not transparent. Structured documents are more difficult to change the formats in since the EDD is the source of that information. (Any tips on how to get the notes that are warnings and cautions will be accepted with much happiness from anyone reading this.) Another avenue to PDF (as well as HTMLHELP, javaHelp and other formats) comes through using the DITA Open Toolkit. This is now easy to install so you get what you need and the results are great for many of the formats. Most of the help systems offered come through without muss or fuss except for an occasional unrecognized character that can cause problems but is easily fixed). My boss was astounded at the ease of producing HTMLHelp in this way. The DITAOpenToolkit PDF is equally easy to produce from a ditamap, but, of course, has a different look than the SaveAsPDF from FM11. This is because it uses CSS templates to format the output. The result is a terrible cover sheet, a great TOC, nice formatting of Warnings and the like. The regular notes icon is terrible; a finger pointing to the note that seems totally out of place [it reminds me of the similar character used by Walt Kelly in the world ballons for the P.T. Bridgeport character from POGO]. Wading into the OpenToolkits templates to modify the CSS is daughting, but doable. There are tips on this that pop up if you search the web, but, again, it is not particularly straightforward. Be sure to save the original copy of each template before modifying. My experience with DITA is that it is great at reducing duplication in manuals, aids in breaking apart tasks that actually combined multiple tasks in one (thus making them both clearer and more reusable), and helps to identify material in manuals that just got in there because the designers of a machine were enamoured of explaining how the pieces of it work (even if that information is useless for any operator or maintainance task). I love it! However, I would take the statement that TCS 4 offers a single out-of-the-box solution with a big grain of salt. I am going to send a separate posting with some DITA codeview interface complaints for Adobe to consider as areas where improvement is desired (at least from this user). Thanks. Craig EdeFrom: Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 + I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don?t have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craigede at hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/2c3b18e1/attachment.html>
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Thanks for the response. -Gillian From: Roger Shuttleworth [mailto:shutti...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:10 AM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Hello Gillian Regarding your question about TCS4 being the "complete solution" for DITA. You have to analyze that statement rather carefully and remember it's from the evangelist! The comments below are from a TCS4 user. First, several of the components of TCS4 have nothing at all to do with DITA - Captivate, Illustrator, RoboScreen Capture, and Acrobat. That basically leaves FrameMaker and RoboHelp as candidates. So right there you ask yourself: would buying just FM and RH be better and/or cheaper? FrameMaker does come with DTDs, EDDs, and templates provided, so you can immediately create, save, and open DITA XML documents. You'd want to tweak the templates, of course, and it helps if you are familiar with EDDs. As an XML editor, FM11 in my view is a big step forward from 9 and 10, but I doubt it can compete with oXygen or xMetal (I have not used the latter). The ability to output fine PDF is a key difference in favour of FM. There are some deficiencies in FM, which Scott Prentice has identified in his comparison at http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php (that comparison covers FM10 but not 11, but it's still applicable). You may want to supplement FM11 with DITA-FMx, though there are pros and cons for that too. Moving on to RoboHelp: RH was fundamentally designed as an HTML authoring tool. Integration with FrameMaker has been cobbled into it, and it works on book files, not ditamaps. So you have to create your book from a ditamap in FM, then open the book in RH. RoboHelp can also process ditamaps directly, but it rather depends on the day of the week and how you hold your mouth. I sometimes have a problem with the mouth part. DITA support in RH has a lng way to go, and the glowing reports I read of DITA support in WebWorks (not cheap) give me the impression that is probably the better tool. Having said all that, yes, you can use TCS4 to output DITA to PDF and HTML (we do it). If you don't want impressive PDF, FM is inferior to the alternatives you mention. If you're happy to just have FM and forgo the other TCS4 components, there are other tools you could use with FM alone to create output from DITA files: WebWorks, as mentioned, DITA2Go, etc. Hope this helps alleviate some of the marketing overhead! Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada On 26/11/2012 2:08 PM, Gillian Flato wrote: I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com> ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shuttie27 at gmail.com<mailto:shuttie27 at gmail.com>. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shuttie27%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com<mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com>. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/3a471317/attachment.html>
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Thanks Craig. Appreciate the response. -Gillian From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:50 AM To: Gillian Flato; framers Subject: RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution I am currently working a contract for a company where we are writing DITA files using FM11 (not TCS 4). Producing DITA using FM 11 is fairly easy, but there as some caveats. The built in EDDs, etc. allow producing more-or-less adequate PDF using SaveAsPDF from ditamap files. To get TOCs, covers and other nicities, you have to save the ditamap as a composite FM file and then add the additional files into a FM book containing the composite file. Exactly how to massage paragraph formats to get the results you desire withing the composite FM file is not transparent. Structured documents are more difficult to change the formats in since the EDD is the source of that information. (Any tips on how to get the notes that are warnings and cautions will be accepted with much happiness from anyone reading this.) Another avenue to PDF (as well as HTMLHELP, javaHelp and other formats) comes through using the DITA Open Toolkit. This is now easy to install so you get what you need and the results are great for many of the formats. Most of the help systems offered come through without muss or fuss except for an occasional unrecognized character that can cause problems but is easily fixed). My boss was astounded at the ease of producing HTMLHelp in this way. The DITAOpenToolkit PDF is equally easy to produce from a ditamap, but, of course, has a different look than the SaveAsPDF from FM11. This is because it uses CSS templates to format the output. The result is a terrible cover sheet, a great TOC, nice formatting of Warnings and the like. The regular notes icon is terrible; a finger pointing to the note that seems totally out of place [it reminds me of the similar character used by Walt Kelly in the world ballons for the P.T. Bridgeport character from POGO]. Wading into the OpenToolkits templates to modify the CSS is daughting, but doable. There are tips on this that pop up if you search the web, but, again, it is not particularly straightforward. Be sure to save the original copy of each template before modifying. My experience with DITA is that it is great at reducing duplication in manuals, aids in breaking apart tasks that actually combined multiple tasks in one (thus making them both clearer and more reusable), and helps to identify material in manuals that just got in there because the designers of a machine were enamoured of explaining how the pieces of it work (even if that information is useless for any operator or maintainance task). I love it! However, I would take the statement that TCS 4 offers a single out-of-the-box solution with a big grain of salt. I am going to send a separate posting with some DITA codeview interface complaints for Adobe to consider as areas where improvement is desired (at least from this user). Thanks. Craig Ede From: Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 + I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com> ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craigede at hotmail.com<mailto:craigede at hotmail.com>. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com<mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com>. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/21c87177/attachment.html>
menu-command macro recorder utility for FM?
Is there an old-fashioned menu-command macro recorder that's compatible with FrameMaker 10? I want to automate some simple but time-consuming build processes. For example: open book, set conditions, update, save as PDF, set conditions, update, close book, launch batch file to generate online help. Both ExtendScript and FrameScript require that I learn a complex object model and neither comes with sample scripts or straightforward documentation on doing the kind of stuff I need to do. Both seem designed for developers who want to extend or customize the application, not for end users who want to automate common tasks.
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
When I evaluated Oxygen XML, it seemed like a full-featured single-source help authoring tool much like Madcap Flare, except using DITA as its source format. Out-of-the-box web help and PDF output seemed of professional quality to me. I could have been productive immediately. TCS 3.5 / FrameMaker 10, on the other hand, I was unable to evaluate (even though I'm fairly expert in unstructured FrameMaker) due to the lack of documentation and samples for doing DITA with structured FrameMaker. I know from reading other people's reports that it can be used to author DITA and DocBook projects, but figuring out how to do it would have required some sort of third-party consulting, training, or add-ons. Maybe TCS 4 / FrameMaker 11 has better samples and documentation, but I looked for such improvements when it came out and did not find them. Another weakness of TCS: all else being equal, I would prefer not to create any new projects involving RoboHelp. I've found it inflexible and buggy, and had to use MIF2Go for some output formats RoboHelp could not generate. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: > ... The big thing that sets TCS apart from other DITA authoring tools is that > in > addition to authoring, it provides a more complete publishing solution for > both PDF and various online formats. ...
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
FrameMaker 10 comes with DTDs, EDDs, and templates, but those did not give me enough to go on to figure out how to create a project. The documentation was no help, nor were the resources people on the Structured FrameMaker forum pointed me to adequate: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4094654 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Roger Shuttleworth wrote: > ... FrameMaker does come with DTDs, EDDs, and templates provided, so you can > immediately create, save, and open DITA XML documents. You'd want to tweak > the templates, of course, and it helps if you are familiar with EDDs. ...
TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Thanks, Scott! -Gillian From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:27 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Gillian Flato Subject: Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution Hi Gillian... As I'm sure you're aware, I'm a big proponent of using Frame for DITA authoring, but I do try to remain reasonably objective when comparing it to other DITA tools. The big thing that sets TCS apart from other DITA authoring tools is that in addition to authoring, it provides a more complete publishing solution for both PDF and various online formats. Other authoring tools will likely bundle the DITA-OT as the publishing tool, which can work quite well, if you've got XSLT developers at your disposal. The HTML-based formats aren't too much work to customize, but if PDF is an important deliverable, you're in for a lot of time and money to get XSL-FO styleheets built that would be something you'd deliver to your customers. Because TCS includes RoboHelp, you'll find it much easier to get online Help from DITA, and you'll be hard-pressed to get PDFs from the OT that come close to what you can get from Frame. Personally, I use Frame for authoring DITA and Oxygen for coding XML/XSL. Oxygen is a great tool, but I much prefer the authoring experience with Frame over any other tool out there. I publish PDFs from Frame (via DITA-FMx), and use the OT for my online outputs (HTML, CHM, and EPUB). Samples here .. http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/1.1/ If you do decide to use Frame/TCS for DITA, you should check out DITA-FMx, which provides numerous additional authoring features, as well as makes publishing complete and PDF-ready books much easier than the default options .. http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/ Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com<http://www.leximation.com> +1.415.485.1892 On 11/26/12 11:08 AM, Gillian Flato wrote: I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces. Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party scripts, etc. Thank You, Gillian Flato Senior Content Developer Skype: Gillian.B.Flato Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/ffbdfe15/attachment.html>
Confluence 4 export: the one feature that would justify my upgrading from FM10
Confluence excerpts are comparable to FrameMaker text insets, not conditional text. What are you using conditional text for? Few of the things I've used it for in FrameMaker make any sense in a wiki. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, rebecca officer wrote: > Oops, I meant "Confluence excerpts". > https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/biz.artemissoftware.confluence.multiexcerpt.MultiExcerptMacro > > So here's my question in a form that might make sense: > > Am I right that at the moment, the best FM-to-Confluence flow would be: > 1) use MIF2Go to export Confluence 4 XHTML from FM > 2) import the output into Confluence one page at a time > 3) manually muck with each page to convert the conditional text to > Confluence excerpts? > > If there's an easier flow for converting conditional-text-rich FM files into > Confluence, I'd really appreciate someone describing it.
Confluence 4 export: the one feature that would justify my upgrading from FM10
Ah, so you're using conditional text like text insets. Neither Confluence nor any other extant wiki is set up for reusing content. We discussed that in detail in July in the "Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ..." topic you started. As I noted there, AutoDesk's hybrid system does what you want but it's expensive. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:02 PM, rebecca officer wrote: > Hi Robert > > Thanks for discussing this - I really appreciate it. > > Our company produces half a dozen different hardware products with similar > software feature sets. There's a lot of feature overlap. And we do new > software releases at least annually. We've got one set of source FM files, > and we use conditional text to build a document set for each product at each > new release. Without conditional text, we'd have to maintain multiple > similar copies of FM files, which would be an error-rich nightmare. Many of > the differences are at the word or sentence level, but we could rewrite them > into separate paragraphs if we have to. > > I think, if we go to Confluence, we'll need to create one wiki space per > product (per release), so we can keep delivering product-specific info. That > would mean maintaining multiple similar copies, unless we can reuse content > in multiple spaces. So I'm trying to work out what the Confluence model is > for reusing content, and how we could get there from FM.
No subject
As promised in an earlier post to the framers list, here are some concerns I have about the FM 11 codeview mode. I am also copying this to framemaker-dita at yahoogroups.com since it falls in that domain. Maybe I am missing something easy that would solve these issues. I would be happy to be made aware of ways of dealing with them. ---I find myself working in the FM11 codeview mode a lot and have the following complaints: I wish FM would leave my indenting alone and not collapse everything (or some things).I wish FM would not added navtitles and metadata tags that I don't need. This seems to happen when I save after returning to the WYSIWYG view (which I try not to do for that reason).The codeview interface often lacks a scroll bar when you enter it. Hitting the minimized and then maximize window icons gets them, but that should be fixed so you don't have to do that. One more trying aspect of the current implementation: Since I am converting files to DITA I often work with a non-structured file open to consult or sometimes cut-and-paste from. This file disappears when I move to codeview, which makes sense since it does not have a structure with text to view. Returning to WYSIWYG mode always returns the file to a docked tab, so I have to reposition it to the other monitor again and again. Can't these windows just be left where they were placed? Enough for now. Craig Ede -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121127/5f787fad/attachment.html>
