Re: Eclipse Help from Frame books

[Fei Min Lorente]

Hi Alastair:

I'm currently using Mif2Go to convert my FrameMaker books to Eclipse User 
Assistance. I've been using it for about 10 years now. I tried out WebWorks 
ePublisher about 5 years ago, and I found it wasn't quite as flexible as Mif2Go 
when it came to organizing the Eclipse UA XML files for tables of contents, but 
it might have improved by now.

If you want more information about developing documentation for Eclipse UA, you 
can join this discussion group: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eclipse_tw/messages/101

Fei Min Lorente

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Jeremy is correct -- MIF2GO is pretty much the easiest and least painful way to 
do this.
Once everything is set up for the Eclipse project, it's automatic / one-click.

Art

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 Has anyone tried generating Eclipse help directly from Frame books?



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MIF2Go worked for me a few years ago. WebWorks ePublisher can also now generate 
Eclipse Help from FrameMaker source.

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FM11 image weirdness

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

I’m using FM 11.0.2.384, Fm8.0p277 and DITA-FMx 1.1.16 01dec12 on Windows 7
Professional.

My DITA topics contain images of various file formats: EPS, PNG, JPG.When I
generate a FrameMaker book from my ditamap, I see the following in the
generated Fm files:

   - In Fm 8: everything OK, all graphics are displayed
   - In Fm11: all graphics have no preview (I just see gray boxes) and they
   all appear in a very small anchored frame. The graphics are there (so, not
   missing) because when I double-click them in Fm they open just fine in
   Snagit. I only see this in Fm files which have been generated from a
   ditamap. When I open the DITA topics in Fm 11, the graphics are displayed
   OK.

I have tested this with files which worked perfectly well on 4 July and I
haven't done a Fm11 update since then (I think).

Is anyone else seeing this?

Thanks


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Group for Frame users developing docs for Defense Dept. Agencies?

[Val Lipow]

Is there a group for those of us who write for US military customers/audiences? 
If so, please direct me to it; if not, are others interested in forming one?

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Re: FM11 image weirdness SOLVED!

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

It turned out to be two weird JPG files which corrupted the whole bookbuild
process.

Kudos to Scott Prentice who pointed me in the right direction and thus
prevented another sleepness night.

Cheers!


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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[rebecca officer]

Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using DITA/docbook 
instead of developing your own schema? 

The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to 
figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA, or 
whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save by using 
DITA would be really helpful.
 
Many thanks!
Rebecca

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Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Writer]

And unless you're very clever, it's easy to paint yourself into a corner with 
an in-house system. It might be simple to develop something for what your 
needs are now, but you neglect to make it open-ended or scalable for whatever 
changes you need to make in the future.

And then there's portability...

Nadine


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 6:50:36 PM
Subject: Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
 


I gotta generally agree with Matt. Occasionally I run into an information 
modeling project that I can knock off in an afternoon, but that's pretty rare. 
Remember that you will not only need to model block content (topics, 
headings, paragraphs, lists, etc.), but also tables, cross-references, images, 
etc. The latter set can be a bit tricky. Plus, oh, your metadata.

With DITA or DocBook, you also get a publishing framework. Also
  usually non-trivial to create from scratch, especially if you are
  publishing to multiple output formats, using filtering, content
  re-use, etc.

I'll mention with some regret that FrameMaker's DocBook support is
  pretty poor. I've never figured out why...the typical use cases
  for both (books, PDF) line up very well. It may be a
  chicken-and-egg issue...I suspect more people would use DocBook if
  FrameMaker provided better DocBook support.

-Alan

On 7/8/13 6:31 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

A list of what you'll save using DITA or DocBook rather than creating your own 
schema: 
1. Time
2. Money


(Hey, someone had to say it…)

-Matt
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Eclipse Help from Frame books

[Fei Min Lorente]

Hi Alastair:

I'm currently using Mif2Go to convert my FrameMaker books to Eclipse User 
Assistance. I've been using it for about 10 years now. I tried out WebWorks 
ePublisher about 5 years ago, and I found it wasn't quite as flexible as Mif2Go 
when it came to organizing the Eclipse UA XML files for tables of contents, but 
it might have improved by now.

If you want more information about developing documentation for Eclipse UA, you 
can join this discussion group: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eclipse_tw/messages/101

Fei Min Lorente

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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:41:52 -0400
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To: Alastair Dent 
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FM11 image weirdness

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

I?m using FM 11.0.2.384, Fm8.0p277 and DITA-FMx 1.1.16 01dec12 on Windows 7
Professional.

My DITA topics contain images of various file formats: EPS, PNG, JPG.When I
generate a FrameMaker book from my ditamap, I see the following in the
generated Fm files:

   - In Fm 8: everything OK, all graphics are displayed
   - In Fm11: all graphics have no preview (I just see gray boxes) and they
   all appear in a very small anchored frame. The graphics are there (so, not
   "missing") because when I double-click them in Fm they open just fine in
   Snagit. I only see this in Fm files which have been generated from a
   ditamap. When I open the DITA topics in Fm 11, the graphics are displayed
   OK.

I have tested this with files which worked perfectly well on 4 July and I
haven't done a Fm11 update since then (I think).

Is anyone else seeing this?

Thanks


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Group for Frame users developing docs for Defense Dept. Agencies?

[Val Lipow]

Is there a group for those of us who write for US military customers/audiences? 
If so, please direct me to it; if not, are others interested in forming one?

Val

FM11 image weirdness SOLVED!

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

It turned out to be two weird JPG files which corrupted the whole bookbuild
process.

Kudos to Scott Prentice who pointed me in the right direction and thus
prevented another sleepness night.

Cheers!


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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[rebecca officer]

Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using DITA/docbook 
instead of developing your own schema? 

The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to 
figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA, or 
whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save by using 
DITA would be really helpful.

Many thanks!
Rebecca

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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Matt Sullivan]

A list of what you'll save using DITA or DocBook rather than creating your own 
schema:
Time
Money

(Hey, someone had to say it?)

-Matt


On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:06 AM, "rebecca officer"  wrote:

> Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using DITA/docbook 
> instead of developing your own schema?
> 
> The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to 
> figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA, 
> or whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save by 
> using DITA would be really helpful.
>  
> Many thanks!
> Rebecca
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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Matt Sullivan]

Yes, specialization should be approached delicately.

One thing to keep in mind: DITA is (in my opinion) nearly as much philosophy as 
it is content model.

Expect to spend some time understanding what the component pieces are, how 
they're labeled, and get used to looking at things from a topic point of view, 
rather than a chapter point of view.



-Matt

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On Jul 8, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Kristy Nolan  wrote:

> I will add frustration to that list. We have modified a version of DocBook 
> called FlightBook. The modification of the modification leads to many issues 
> in getting the pieces to work together. By sticking with the standard, there 
> should not be as many issues. 
> 
> Kristy
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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Alan Houser]

I gotta generally agree with Matt. Occasionally I run into an 
information modeling project that I can knock off in an afternoon, but 
that's pretty rare. Remember that you will not only need to model 
"block" content (topics, headings, paragraphs, lists, etc.), but also 
tables, cross-references, images, etc. The latter set can be a bit 
tricky. Plus, oh, your metadata.

With DITA or DocBook, you also get a publishing framework. Also usually 
non-trivial to create from scratch, especially if you are publishing to 
multiple output formats, using filtering, content re-use, etc.

I'll mention with some regret that FrameMaker's DocBook support is 
pretty poor. I've never figured out why...the "typical" use cases for 
both (books, PDF) line up very well. It may be a chicken-and-egg 
issue...I suspect more people would use DocBook if FrameMaker provided 
better DocBook support.

-Alan

On 7/8/13 6:31 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
> A list of what you'll save using DITA or DocBook rather than creating 
> your own schema:
>
>  1. Time
>  2. Money
>
>
> (Hey, someone had to say it...)
>
>
> -Matt
>
>

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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Scott Prentice]

All good info.

More reasons to use DITA or DocBook is the availability of off-the-shelf 
authoring, publishing, and file management (CMS) tools. Also, personnel 
support (authoring and development) .. it is much easier to find people 
to work on one of the "standards" than your custom model.

Cheers,

...scott

On 7/8/13 3:50 PM, Alan Houser wrote:
> I gotta generally agree with Matt. Occasionally I run into an 
> information modeling project that I can knock off in an afternoon, but 
> that's pretty rare. Remember that you will not only need to model 
> "block" content (topics, headings, paragraphs, lists, etc.), but also 
> tables, cross-references, images, etc. The latter set can be a bit 
> tricky. Plus, oh, your metadata.
>
> With DITA or DocBook, you also get a publishing framework. Also 
> usually non-trivial to create from scratch, especially if you are 
> publishing to multiple output formats, using filtering, content 
> re-use, etc.
>
> I'll mention with some regret that FrameMaker's DocBook support is 
> pretty poor. I've never figured out why...the "typical" use cases for 
> both (books, PDF) line up very well. It may be a chicken-and-egg 
> issue...I suspect more people would use DocBook if FrameMaker provided 
> better DocBook support.
>
> -Alan
>
> On 7/8/13 6:31 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
>> A list of what you'll save using DITA or DocBook rather than creating 
>> your own schema:
>>
>>  1. Time
>>  2. Money
>>
>>
>> (Hey, someone had to say it...)
>>
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>

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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Writer]

And unless you're very clever, it's easy to paint yourself into a corner with 
an in-house system.?It might be "simple" to develop something for what your 
needs are now, but you neglect to make it open-ended or scalable for whatever 
changes you need to make in the future.

And then there's portability...

Nadine

>
> From: Alan Houser 
>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 6:50:36 PM
>Subject: Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
> 
>
>
>I gotta generally agree with Matt. Occasionally I run into an information 
>modeling project that I can knock off in an afternoon, but that's pretty rare. 
>Remember that you will not only need to model "block" content (topics, 
>headings, paragraphs, lists, etc.), but also tables, cross-references, images, 
>etc. The latter set can be a bit tricky. Plus, oh, your metadata.
>
>With DITA or DocBook, you also get a publishing framework. Also
??usually non-trivial to create from scratch, especially if you are
??publishing to multiple output formats, using filtering, content
??re-use, etc.
>
>I'll mention with some regret that FrameMaker's DocBook support is
??pretty poor. I've never figured out why...the "typical" use cases
??for both (books, PDF) line up very well. It may be a
??chicken-and-egg issue...I suspect more people would use DocBook if
??FrameMaker provided better DocBook support.
>
>-Alan
>
>On 7/8/13 6:31 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
>
>A list of what you'll save using DITA or DocBook rather than creating your own 
>schema: 
>>1. Time
>>2. Money
>>
>>
>>(Hey, someone had to say it?)
>>
>>-Matt

DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[John Sgammato]

This article by Bernard Aschwanden on subsetting DITA may help:
http://www.stc-siliconvalley.org/newsletter/2006_05/articles/aschwanden-subsetting-dita.htm



On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:06 AM, rebecca officer <
rebecca.officer at alliedtelesis.co.nz> wrote:

>  Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using
> DITA/docbook instead of developing your own schema?
>
> The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to
> figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA,
> or whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save
> by using DITA would be really helpful.
>
> Many thanks!
> Rebecca
>
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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Craig Ede]

Okay, I'll start from the assumption that DITA or Docbook as standards are
the way to go if you don't want to spend all kinds of time and money on
development. Of course changing to DITA or Docbook will cost time and money,
too. Just less of both.



So which: DITA or Docbook



DITA is much more restrictive. The topics are formed from a very finite set
of elements which your crew can learn to use adroitly with a little study
and practice.  Docbook has everything plus the kitchen sink thrown in as
elements because it is meant to do, well, just about everything. For my
money DITA makes a lot more sense, but your writers have to understand the
conceptual framework and work within that relative simplicity. Don't imagine
that you can do things like four levels of nested lists. Docbook, by
contrast, let's you do just about anything you've been doing in unstructured
FrameMaker, you just have to learn which of the many many elements lets you
go ahead and do that.



For my money, DITA is the way to go .



Craig



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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: DITA/docbook vs your own schema



Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using
DITA/docbook instead of developing your own schema? 


The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to
figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA,
or whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save by
using DITA would be really helpful.



Many thanks!

Rebecca


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