Re: FrameMaker 12: e-publishing options
At 12:55 -0800 20/1/14, Matt Sullivan wrote: While I've not yet used the Fm12 output for ePub yet, it's very much based on the Fm to Rh workflow in TCS4. I expect it to work as smoothly (very smoothly) as when I published my book last year, and without requiring an Rh installation **Since I already have the mapping done in Rh, however, I'll likely stick with that setup. To redo the setup in Fm would be extra time (perhaps 2-4 hours) Once set up, however, it's turnkey, and only requires processing time (varies on content and graphics usage. From my standpoint of complete ignorance of Robohelp, could you explain the apparent disconnect between 'based on the Fm to Rh workflow' and the fact that ePub can be done with FM 12 alone? My interest is purely in books: I've got little or no contact with on-line help, and subcontracted that part of the last job involving help. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I've heard the warnings about having the 2 programs installed on the same machine as well - but I didn't hear them until after I had been running both for a period of some years (I had even applied program upgrades to both Acrobat Pro and Reader). Despite the warnings, I have never had a problem with either, although I suppose that could change. Until it does, I will keep both installed as I very occasionally need Reader rather than Acrobat. Alison From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:39 AM To: 'FrameUsers List' Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Hi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder _ From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
It wasn't that bad, actually. The install was available from our IT customer service network, so the whole reinstallation process took less than 20 minutes once I figured out that was what I needed to do. -FR From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:01:54 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same clientHi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred RidderFrom: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700All,I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this?Thank you,TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Hi, Tammy and Fred. I know about the dire warnings on installing both Reader and Acrobat on the same system, but I have done this without any issues for more than five or six years now (since Reader 7 onwards, as I recall). I always install Reader first, and then Acrobat afterwards - so that all the defaults, files, etc., are from Acrobat. Even when updating later (on Adobe security and other releases), I do them in that order - although the Acrobat updates seem to lag the Reader ones sometimes by days, so I wait. Meaning, I do not use auto-update without my express selection. This has prevented any problems for me - the default action is that Acrobat is used for normal PDF display, etc., but I can still manually use Reader to check out how my PDF files work with it. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:39 AM To: 'FrameUsers List' Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I suspect that it is the Reader uninstall process that has the potential to cause problems with duplicated files, or registry entries and the like. I now leave Reader and Acrobat both installed (in the order that I mentioned in the other response) and there are no issues - Acrobat is used as the default almost all the time, until I explicitly invoke Reader to check a file before final release. One other thing: I guess I am not sure anymore if checking with Reader is needed, if the file passes Acrobat without problems. For me, in the many years that I have been doing this (since Reader 7 onwards, as I recall), I have yet to find any problem with a PDF file in Reader that had worked perfectly fine with Acrobat - I just check out of habit now, I suppose! :) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:08 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client It wasn't that bad, actually. The install was available from our IT customer service network, so the whole reinstallation process took less than 20 minutes once I figured out that was what I needed to do. -FR From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.commailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:01:54 -0700 Hi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.commailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: /Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously//(assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a//number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality//to one's system..//. / // /- Dov /// Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by Acrobat I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are even more appropriate! - Dov I got the above results using Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer as a search term on Google. There are more results. I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts. On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasionsthatyou should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing andthen uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc. The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader ... shrug Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :)) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:19 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to one's system... - Dov Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by Acrobat I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are even more appropriate! - Dov I got the above results using Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer as a search term on Google. There are more results. I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts. On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker 12: e-publishing options
At 12:55 -0800 20/1/14, Matt Sullivan wrote: >While I've not yet used the Fm12 output for ePub yet, it's very much based on >the Fm to Rh workflow in TCS4. I expect it to work as smoothly (very smoothly) >as when I published my book last year, and without requiring an Rh installation > >**Since I already have the mapping done in Rh, however, I'll likely stick with >that setup. To redo the setup in Fm would be extra time (perhaps 2-4 hours) > >Once set up, however, it's turnkey, and only requires processing time (varies >on content and graphics usage. >From my standpoint of complete ignorance of Robohelp, could you explain the >apparent disconnect between 'based on the Fm to Rh workflow' and the fact that >ePub can be done with FM 12 alone? My interest is purely in books: I've got little or no contact with on-line help, and subcontracted that part of the last job involving help. -- Steve
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/904a1838/attachment.html>
Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I've heard the warnings about having the 2 programs installed on the same machine as well - but I didn't hear them until after I had been running both for a period of some years (I had even applied program upgrades to both Acrobat Pro and Reader). Despite the warnings, I have never had a problem with either, although I suppose that could change. Until it does, I will keep both installed as I very occasionally need Reader rather than Acrobat. Alison From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:39 AM To: 'FrameUsers List' Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/5e193500/attachment.html>
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/54ec7b69/attachment.html>
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Hi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder _ From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/8205ed15/attachment.html>
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
It wasn't that bad, actually. The install was available from our IT customer service network, so the whole reinstallation process took less than 20 minutes once I figured out that was what I needed to do. -FR From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:01:54 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same clientHi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred RidderFrom: tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700All,I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this?Thank you,TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/320f8727/attachment.html>
Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Hi, Tammy and Fred. I know about the dire warnings on installing both Reader and Acrobat on the same system, but I have done this without any issues for more than five or six years now (since Reader 7 onwards, as I recall). I always install Reader first, and then Acrobat afterwards - so that all the defaults, files, etc., are from Acrobat. Even when updating later (on Adobe security and other releases), I do them in that order - although the Acrobat updates seem to lag the Reader ones sometimes by days, so I wait. Meaning, I do not use auto-update without my express selection. This has prevented any problems for me - the default action is that Acrobat is used for normal PDF display, etc., but I can still manually use Reader to check out how my PDF files work with it. Z From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:39 AM To: 'FrameUsers List' Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/69d1d839/attachment.html>
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I suspect that it is the Reader uninstall process that has the potential to cause problems with duplicated files, or registry entries and the like. I now leave Reader and Acrobat both installed (in the order that I mentioned in the other response) and there are no issues - Acrobat is used as the default almost all the time, until I explicitly invoke Reader to check a file before final release. One other thing: I guess I am not sure anymore if checking with Reader is needed, if the file passes Acrobat without problems. For me, in the many years that I have been doing this (since Reader 7 onwards, as I recall), I have yet to find any problem with a PDF file in Reader that had worked perfectly fine with Acrobat - I just check out of habit now, I suppose! :) Z From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:08 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client It wasn't that bad, actually. The install was available from our IT customer service network, so the whole reinstallation process took less than 20 minutes once I figured out that was what I needed to do. -FR From: tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com<mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> To: docudoc at hotmail.com<mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com>; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:01:54 -0700 Hi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder From: tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com<mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/4942d8e0/attachment.html>
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: >/Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously//(assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a//number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality//to one's system..//. /> //> /- Dov />// Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf at lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html > I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by "Acrobat" I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) > But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are even more appropriate! - Dov > I got the above results using "Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer" as a search term on Google. There are more results. I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts. On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: > OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client > > All, > > I have heard on many occasionsthatyou should not have Adobe Acrobat > Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test > something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my > available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it > possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing andthen > uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any > issues by doing this? > > Thank you, > > TVB > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/47f5debf/attachment.html>
OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc. The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader ... Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :)) Z From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:19 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: > Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously > (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a > number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to > one's system... > > - Dov > Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf at lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html > I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list > that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat > and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the > functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous > number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the > user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, > replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by "Acrobat" I > mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF > PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) > But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of > my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader > installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The > response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of > your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) > and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to > truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are > even more appropriate! - Dov > I got the above results using "Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer" as a search term on Google. There are more results. I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts. On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/3c326b6e/attachment.html>
Applying a character tag to text in FM10
Ask the customer if they have the italic form of the font. They may just have forgotten to give it to you - or they may insist you use bold for emphasis too. If you fake it with Oblique, I think that does carry through to PDF but not HTML. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong on that. Cheers Rebecca >>> Stuart Rogers 21/01/14 12:02 >>> On 2014-Jan-20 5:43 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: All, A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and Arial. They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is Regular weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags) and a Bold weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags). I have several character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to continue to use. One of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag are set to As Is with the exception of the angle, which I have set to Italic. When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e., the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag is apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower left corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis with an asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis). I thought that maybe I had corrupted the tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used simply good old Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the text was immediately italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an asterisk. I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that is preventing character tags from being applied as expected. Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated. Regards, TVB My first guess is that the Regular font set does not contain the glyphs for italics -- especially given that the client has provided a completely separate file for Bold. So FM is attempting to apply the tag, but it can't change the appearance because the needed characters don't exist. You might be able to redefine the tag to use "Obliqued" as the angle, and FM will try to fake italics by sloping the roman glyphs. But the true solution would be to purchase the italic font file required. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/cdb2e571/attachment.html>
FrameMaker 12: e-publishing options
Adobe has embedded a subset of RoboHelp in FM12, much as they have long been embedding a subset of Acrobat. So with FM12 you don't need to buy something else to generate ePUB, just as with earlier releases you didn't need to buy something else to generate PDF. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > From my standpoint of complete ignorance of Robohelp, could you explain the > apparent disconnect between 'based on the Fm to Rh workflow' and the fact > that ePub can be done with FM 12 alone? > > My interest is purely in books: I've got little or no contact with on-line > help, and subcontracted that part of the last job involving help.
Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Hi Tammy, I think they have gone a long way to clearing up the horrible and hard-to-debug problems that used to result from that configuration, but Dov still warns against it. I guess one question I would have is why would you want/need to do that? (I actually can think of a reason or two myself, but at least the rendering engine parts of the two programs are the same, so it will "look" the same in Acrobat as it does in Reader.") -- garyZ From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:39 AM To: 'FrameUsers List' Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140121/0049a7cd/attachment.html>
