Creating Multiple TOCs in One Book

[Alan Salo (Ariens Plant 1)]

Happy Monday!

What is the best way to set up multiple TOCs in the same book? I have a book 
containing 16 languages, with each language having its own TOC.  I need each of 
the 16 TOCs to display Heading 1s and Heading 2s in their own language only. I 
can generate multiple TOCs in my book, but my trouble is that each TOC shows me 
ALL the Heading 1s and Heading 2s in my book, so I get all 16 languages in each 
TOC. I can easily delete them from each of the 16 TOC files, but they come back 
every time I update the book.

The only thing I can think of doing is changing my Paragraph Tags in each 
language. So I'd have Heading 1_eng, Heading 1_fre, Heading 1_spa, etc. And 
then I'd have to apply those to every heading 1 and 2 in every one of my 
languages. That's a lot of work. There must be an easier way, right?

Thanks,
Alan

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Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Fei Min Lorente]

Hi folks:

I found this discussion from 2008: 
https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946, and this helpful answer from 
Russ Ward in 2010: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0, but I don't 
see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software development guy) 
would like to create an XML file that I can import into FrameMaker that doesn't 
specify the width of each column. He's taking output from Jira, and people can 
create tables in the Description field there, but he has no way of knowing how 
wide the columns are. He figures that if HTML can automatically size the 
columns to suit the contents, surely FrameMaker can do this too (I'm not so 
sure).

I've tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply when 
you don't specify widths in XML. If you have more columns than are in your 
template, it seems to use the width of the last templated column. And the 
tables might contain graphics as well as text.

Anyone have any better ideas?

I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I think my manager is using Perl or some 
other scripting language. Jira outputs HTML as well as some other text format.

Fei Min Lorente
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

So far, it seems to be working. I updated a largish book with about 15 files 
inside, and created a new PDF, etc., without issues.

But, I didn't check to see if the RGB/CMYK option selection issue during the 
PDF output was fixed or not.

Z

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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Alison,

 

I am using it. I am not sure about how stability differs from previous
versions. FrameMaker 12 has been pretty stable for me all along.

 

Rick

 

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Hi:

 

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was
notified - or was the List notified?

 

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it
stable?

 

Alison

 

 

 

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Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi, 

last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support
the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with
percentages. 

Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result
will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially
when translating the text in different languages) 

Each column has a numeric "column width" entry. 
If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all
colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code.
(I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2
cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.) 

Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when
inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have
influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all
tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns. 

We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are
specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML
code. Indesign e.g. would not be "able" to understand this XML directly
without transformation.
As you can see, one XML is not like another... 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

 Lin Sims: 

> We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table width 
> with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those measurements 
> are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from the Excel 
> spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working with before 
> you get started, including how many columns you need included.
> 
> XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, but 
> I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle 
> calculations? 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> 
> Fei Min...
> 
> FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know of 
> is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and do 
> the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or 
> amount of text, etc.).
> 
> Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath.
> 
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: 
> 
> Hi folks: 
> 
> I found this discussion from 2008: 
> https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946 [3], and this helpful answer 
> from Russ Ward in 2010: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0 [4], 
> but I don't see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software 
> development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into 
> FrameMaker that doesn't specify the width of each column. He's taking output 
> from Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field there, but 
> he has no way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures that if HTML 
> can automatically size the columns to suit the contents, surely FrameMaker 
> can do this too (I'm not so sure). 
> 
> I've tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply when 
> you don't specify widths in XML. If you have more columns than are in your 
> template, it seems to use the width of the last templated column. And the 
> tables might contain graphics as well as text. 
> 
> Anyone have any better ideas? 
> 
> I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I think my manager is using Perl or 
> some other scripting language. Jira outputs HTML as well as some other text 
> format. 
> 
> Fei Min Lorente 
> 
> Senior Technical Communicator 
> 
> Medical and Wireless Division 
> 
> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com 
> 
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Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Craig, Alison]

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison



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Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Lin Sims]

We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table
width with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those
measurements are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from
the Excel spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working
with before you get started, including how many columns you need included.

XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width,
but I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle
calculations?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

>  Fei Min...
>
> FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know
> of is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and
> do the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or
> amount of text, etc.).
>
> Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath.
>
> ...scott
>
>  On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:
>
>  Hi folks:
>
>
>
> I found this discussion from 2008:
> https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946, and this helpful answer
> from Russ Ward in 2010: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0,
> but I don’t see the solution that I’m looking for. My manager (a software
> development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into
> FrameMaker that doesn’t specify the width of each column. He’s taking
> output from Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field
> there, but he has no way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures
> that if HTML can automatically size the columns to suit the contents,
> surely FrameMaker can do this too (I’m not so sure).
>
>
>
> I’ve tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply
> when you don’t specify widths in XML. If you have more columns than are in
> your template, it seems to use the width of the last templated column. And
> the tables might contain graphics as well as text.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any better ideas?
>
>
>
> I’m using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I think my manager is using Perl or
> some other scripting language. Jira outputs HTML as well as some other text
> format.
>
>
>
> Fei Min Lorente
>
> Senior Technical Communicator
>
> Medical and Wireless Division
>
> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
>
> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office
>
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FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.



On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
> default.
>
> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.
> >
> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
> the
> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
> they
> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to an
> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
> > with. :-)
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Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Scott Prentice]

Fei Min...

FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I 
know of is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the 
cells and do the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest 
graphic, or amount of text, etc.).


Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath.

...scott

On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:


Hi folks:

I found this discussion from 2008: 
https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946 
, and this helpful 
answer from Russ Ward in 2010: 
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0, but I don’t see the 
solution that I’m looking for. My manager (a software development guy) 
would like to create an XML file that I can import into FrameMaker 
that doesn’t specify the width of each column. He’s taking output from 
Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field there, but 
he has no way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures that if 
HTML can automatically size the columns to suit the contents, surely 
FrameMaker can do this too (I’m not so sure).


I’ve tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template 
apply when you don’t specify widths in XML. If you have more columns 
than are in your template, it seems to use the width of the last 
templated column. And the tables might contain graphics as well as text.


Anyone have any better ideas?

I’m using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I think my manager is using Perl 
or some other scripting language. Jira outputs HTML as well as some 
other text format.


Fei Min Lorente

Senior Technical Communicator

Medical and Wireless Division

feimin.lore...@onsemi.com 

+1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office

+1 519-831-4931 | mobile

+1 905-631-5724 | fax

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RE: Book of Books

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Sorry Rick, I do book of books, but my sub-books don't have any generated files 
in them, so I can't tell you one way or the other.

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Hi,

When I create a book of books with FrameMaker 11 and make a PDF from the
main book, none of the generated files from each sub-book appear in the PDF.
Is this a known issue? Anyone else have experience with this? 

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

And, just testing it, but Adobe Acrobat was not able to find text inside a
graphic, which was a big reason why we upgraded. I'll have to look into
that, but I bet you're right, Robert. I bet that's the cause.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> 
>
> Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
> that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
> actually tried to search for anything.
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
>> generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I
>> know,
>> > but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston > >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Are of the image compression options different?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims 
>> wrote:
>> >> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
>> >> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from
>> PDF to
>> >> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so
>> the
>> >> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <
>> rob...@lauriston.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>> >> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>> >> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>> >> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately
>> changed
>> >> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>> >> >> default.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims 
>> wrote:
>> >> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
>> the
>> >> >> > tips
>> >> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
>> >> >> > appreciably.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
>> >> >> > put
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
>> have
>> >> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it
>> locally,
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an
>> attachment
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > an
>> >> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
>> >> >> > begin
>> >> >> > with. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Lin Sims
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lin Sims
>>
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
actually tried to search for anything.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
> generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
> > but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Are of the image compression options different?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
> >> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF
> to
> >> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so
> the
> >> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
> >> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
> >> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
> >> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
> >> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
> >> >> default.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims 
> wrote:
> >> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
> the
> >> >> > tips
> >> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
> >> >> > appreciably.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
> >> >> > put
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
> have
> >> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > an
> >> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
> >> >> > begin
> >> >> > with. :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Lin Sims
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lin Sims
>



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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
> but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> Are of the image compression options different?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
>> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
>> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
>> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
>> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>> >> default.
>> >>
>> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
>> >> > tips
>> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
>> >> > appreciably.
>> >> >
>> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
>> >> > put
>> >> > the
>> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
>> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
>> >> > but
>> >> > they
>> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment
>> >> > to
>> >> > an
>> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
>> >> > begin
>> >> > with. :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lin Sims
>
>
>
>
> --
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Book of Books

[Rick Quatro]

Hi,

When I create a book of books with FrameMaker 11 and make a PDF from the
main book, none of the generated files from each sub-book appear in the PDF.
Is this a known issue? Anyone else have experience with this? 

Rick

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Are of the image compression options different?
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
> >> default.
> >>
> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
> >> > tips
> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
> appreciably.
> >> >
> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
> >> > the
> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
> but
> >> > they
> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
> >> > an
> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
> begin
> >> > with. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lin Sims
>



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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

Are of the image compression options different?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
> generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
> Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
> next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
>> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>> default.
>>
>> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
>> > tips
>> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.
>> >
>> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
>> > the
>> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
>> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
>> > they
>> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
>> > an
>> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
>> > with. :-)
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
default.

The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
> y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.
>
> On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put the
> shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
> unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but they
> always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to an
> email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.

On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put the
shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
they always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
an email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
with. :-)

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Davis, David <
david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com> wrote:

> Lin,
> As far as I recall, modern versions of Adobe Reader autogenerate the PDF
> bookmark pane and thumbnails on the fly if you ask them to,
> so if megabytes are really that tight for you, you could probably ditch
> them anyway?
>
> David
>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:16:20 -0500
> From: Lin Sims 
> To: David Boss 
> Cc: Frame Users 
> Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which
> was only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the
> bookmarks with it.
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RE: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

[Jeff Coatsworth]

AFAIK it’s the same for both – the “headless” version is just a crippled 
version of the full Acrobat.

From: Denis Daly [mailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com]
Sent: February-23-15 4:43 AM
To: Ken Poshedly; Jeff Coatsworth
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Just for completeness, is the RGB vs CMYK problem only an issue using the PDF 
creator that comes bundled with FM, or is it also an issue with the separate 
Acrobat installation?

Thanks…

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: 20 February 2015 14:40
To: Jeff Coatsworth
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Jeff is right-on, as far as I'm concerned. Definitely install Acrobat before 
installing FM (making sure to not install the FM PDF creation thingy on top of 
your existing Acrobat installation).

My own question is if my company should bump up to FM 12 from FM 11 if our 
deliverables are only pdf files. That's it -- my company is just not concerned 
with html, etc.

Plus, at $1,000 a pop, Adobe isn't too concerned with pricing itself out of 
reach of more potential customers. What are the differences between the two 
versions that we should make the move?

-- Ken in Atlanta

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Coatsworth 
mailto:jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com>> wrote:
When FM is installed standalone, a “headless” PDF Creator version is installed 
to be able to generate PDFs out of FM. This can sometimes clobber existing 
installs of Acrobat. Adding it after the fact should replace the “headless” 
version, but if it fails, then uninstalling everything, installing Acrobat 
first and then installing FM next (mindful of the setting to stop the PDF 
Creator from installing) should get you up and running.

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Denis Daly
Sent: February-20-15 6:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Good morning all,

I am hoping to add Adobe Acrobat to my FM 12 installation soon.

I was just wondering about best practice regarding this.

I assume it is recommended to use Acrobat rather than say a cheaper PDF editor 
, like Foxit?

Also, could someone explain what happens when Acrobat is co-installed, in terms 
of any effect on  the normal PDF creation within FM? Do I need to be aware of 
any issues?

Thanks in advance,

Denis



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RE: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

[Denis Daly]

Just for completeness, is the RGB vs CMYK problem only an issue using the PDF 
creator that comes bundled with FM, or is it also an issue with the separate 
Acrobat installation?

Thanks…

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: 20 February 2015 14:40
To: Jeff Coatsworth
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Jeff is right-on, as far as I'm concerned. Definitely install Acrobat before 
installing FM (making sure to not install the FM PDF creation thingy on top of 
your existing Acrobat installation).

My own question is if my company should bump up to FM 12 from FM 11 if our 
deliverables are only pdf files. That's it -- my company is just not concerned 
with html, etc.

Plus, at $1,000 a pop, Adobe isn't too concerned with pricing itself out of 
reach of more potential customers. What are the differences between the two 
versions that we should make the move?

-- Ken in Atlanta

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Coatsworth 
mailto:jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com>> wrote:
When FM is installed standalone, a “headless” PDF Creator version is installed 
to be able to generate PDFs out of FM. This can sometimes clobber existing 
installs of Acrobat. Adding it after the fact should replace the “headless” 
version, but if it fails, then uninstalling everything, installing Acrobat 
first and then installing FM next (mindful of the setting to stop the PDF 
Creator from installing) should get you up and running.

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Denis Daly
Sent: February-20-15 6:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Good morning all,

I am hoping to add Adobe Acrobat to my FM 12 installation soon.

I was just wondering about best practice regarding this.

I assume it is recommended to use Acrobat rather than say a cheaper PDF editor 
, like Foxit?

Also, could someone explain what happens when Acrobat is co-installed, in terms 
of any effect on  the normal PDF creation within FM? Do I need to be aware of 
any issues?

Thanks in advance,

Denis



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RE: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

[Denis Daly]

Thanks Jeff/Ken,

That helps,

Denis

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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Sent: 20 February 2015 14:48
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: WAS: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Well, one of the main things I’m looking for in going from FM11 to FM12 is the 
fix for the fatal crashes that I get from using the scroll wheel on my mouse in 
conjunction with the xrefs panel. That’s #1 for me – I usually blow up once a 
day with that one. The second feature that I’m looking forward to is the 
“remember where everything was left” feature that allows you to exit out of FM 
and then pick up right where you left off when you start it back up again – I 
usually have 4 or 5 docs open at one time & remembering where I left off from 
the prior week gets really challenging.

From: Ken Poshedly [mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: February-20-15 9:40 AM
To: Jeff Coatsworth
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Jeff is right-on, as far as I'm concerned. Definitely install Acrobat before 
installing FM (making sure to not install the FM PDF creation thingy on top of 
your existing Acrobat installation).

My own question is if my company should bump up to FM 12 from FM 11 if our 
deliverables are only pdf files. That's it -- my company is just not concerned 
with html, etc.

Plus, at $1,000 a pop, Adobe isn't too concerned with pricing itself out of 
reach of more potential customers. What are the differences between the two 
versions that we should make the move?

-- Ken in Atlanta

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Coatsworth 
mailto:jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com>> wrote:
When FM is installed standalone, a “headless” PDF Creator version is installed 
to be able to generate PDFs out of FM. This can sometimes clobber existing 
installs of Acrobat. Adding it after the fact should replace the “headless” 
version, but if it fails, then uninstalling everything, installing Acrobat 
first and then installing FM next (mindful of the setting to stop the PDF 
Creator from installing) should get you up and running.

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Denis Daly
Sent: February-20-15 6:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

Good morning all,

I am hoping to add Adobe Acrobat to my FM 12 installation soon.

I was just wondering about best practice regarding this.

I assume it is recommended to use Acrobat rather than say a cheaper PDF editor 
, like Foxit?

Also, could someone explain what happens when Acrobat is co-installed, in terms 
of any effect on  the normal PDF creation within FM? Do I need to be aware of 
any issues?

Thanks in advance,

Denis



Kind regards,
Denis Daly
Technical Writer


Kilbrittain, Bandon, Co. Cork, 
IRELAND

Mobile: +353 86 3539962
Phone:  +353 21 2439119/140
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