[Framers] new features table FM v9 to v2015 Re: CudSpan's HuntOverrides - w/FrameMaker 2015 (FrameMaker 13) ?

[Craig Ede]

Find and Remove Overrides have been part of FrameMaker since v9 (2009). 
Here's a resource that highlights new features and improvements on them from 
FM9 to the current version.
https://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2016/01/framemaker-9-to-2015-compare.html

There is a PDF of the table you can download there as well.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Monique Semp 
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] CudSpan's HuntOverrides - w/FrameMaker 2015  
(FrameMaker 13) ?

> Frame can search for character and paragraph format overrides now, so maybe 
> he didn't feel it was necessary to update?
Sure enough! Wonder how long this feature’s been in FrameMaker without me 
knowing it?!
Thanks for the info,
-Monique

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[Framers] thanks - for prev. fonts help

[Monique Semp]

Hello, Framers,

Just a quick note of thanks to the many of you who have shared your knowledge 
and advice for so many years on this list!

As you can tell from my recent spate of messages, I’m doing a big cleanup of 
templates and docs. I ran into an odd (to me) issue with the fonts. A font 
appeared in the Fonts pod, and I could “locate” it, but even though the 
FrameMaker toolbars showed that “something” was that font, there wasn’t any 
content to see.

So I searched the Framers archives, and found the answer 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/msg60721.html): the 
font was in a now-non-existent para style in a table title. The style didn’t 
appear in the actual .fm file (I’d deleted it many years ago), but when I saved 
as MIF and opened the MIF in Notepad++, I found it. I deleted the element, 
resaved as .fm, and everything’s gold!

So thanks for helping our the tech writing community!
-Monique


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Re: [Framers] CudSpan's HuntOverrides - w/FrameMaker 2015 (FrameMaker 13) ?

[Monique Semp]

> Frame can search for character and paragraph format overrides now, so maybe 
> he didn't feel it was necessary to update?
Sure enough! Wonder how long this feature’s been in FrameMaker without me 
knowing it?!
Thanks for the info,
-Monique
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Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

[Craig Ede]

Amen, Fred! I've always heavily documented my templates, which, of course, 
didn't keep the folks who followed after from ignoring all that and "being 
confused" and importing things willy nilly from other template, etc. etc. etc.

But it's nice to have that stuff for those who do care! And a nice clean 
template squirreled away in a repository somewhere can cure all kinds of ills 
inflicted on a book/document.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Fred Ridder 
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:05 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Monique   Semp
Subject: Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

And since each of these format/variable/condition templates is only used to 
overlay FrameMaker layers that don't contain document content, you can use the 
content layer to contain detailed descriptions of everything that is defined in 
the template, and even a change history as the template evolves. 
Self-documentation is a really powerful tool for templates and stylesheets 
because I've never met anyone who can remember all the details for more than a 
day or so.

-FR
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Re: [Framers] CudSpan's HuntOverrides - w/FrameMaker 2015 (FrameMaker 13) ?

[Lin Sims]

Frame can search for character and paragraph format overrides now, so maybe
he didn't feel it was necessary to update?

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Monique Semp 
wrote:

> Has anyone used CudSpan’s Hunt (Pgf) Overrides with FrameMaker 2015
> (FrameMaker 13)? On the CudSpan Plug-Ins page, it lists only up to
> FrameMaker 11. It’s seems that my old version (back many years ago) is
> working fine, but I don’t know if it’s missing anything or having some sort
> of unintended consequence?
>
> -Monique
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Re: [Framers] Find/change problems in large documents

[Weckman Mari]

Hi,

It is a single open file.

Mari Weckman

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 2. kesäkuuta 2016 12:12
To: Weckman Mari ; Framers - frameusers.com 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Find/change problems in large documents

When it says that nothing is found, is that in a single open file or in a book? 
I've found that there are times when I'm searching through a book and for some 
reason FrameMaker does not search though some of the chapters in the book. My 
theory is that when FrameMaker has a problem opening a file in the book, the 
search just skips it. This is a serious bug if you ask me. It would not be so 
serious if FrameMaker would say that some files were skipped, but I don't think 
this always happens. 
(Perhaps in the newer version.) I often open all the files in the book before 
performing a search.

As far as it happening sometimes and not other times, it may be a RAM issue, 
which is affected by which other program you currently running and possibly 
even previously used programs since the computer was started. If you are 
working on the files that are on a server, FrameMaker may be skipping files 
that it can't access within a certain amount of time.

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Technical Writer
058-763-7133

On 01-Jun-16 2:51 AM, Weckman Mari wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We are using structured FrameMaker for law editing and some of the documents 
> are extremely large, nearly 3 MB though they include only text.
>
> Are there some restrictions to the size of the documents in which 
> FrameMaker’s Find should work?
>
> Or are there restrictions to the length of the string that can be searched 
> via Find?
>
>
>
> Peculiar thing is that some days we manage to work all day long with 
> Find/Change and some days it stops working after just a few times and says 
> nothing is found.
>
>
>
> We use FrameMaker version 10 via Citrix but the same problem also exists 
> using FrameMaker locally.
>
>
>
> With kind regards,
>
> 
> Mari Weckman
>
> Editor’s assistant
>
> Talentum Pro / Alma Talent
>
> mari.weck...@almamedia.fi
> Itämerenkatu 23, 00180 Helsinki, Finland PL 920, 00101 Helsinki, 
> Finland

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Re: [Framers] ExtendScript for save as text, for Git usage ?

[Robert Lauriston]

Git does not support binary files. It assumes that all files under its
control are mergeable text.

I'd use something like git-annex or Git LFS for unstructured
FrameMaker and image binaries. (It's not currently an issue for me
since my doc source is in Confluence and the only files I put in Git
are those required by the build process.)

Do you really find it useful to diff MIF files very often?

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Monique Semp  wrote:
> I'm also using Git, and the option of having a plaintext version for Git
> compares sounds appealing. Can you elaborate on the process you're using,
> anything to look out for, and post the script?
>
> I can see great potential for this, but wonder whether extraneous info will
> clutter up a Git compare (I'm using the SourceTree GUI client on Windows,
> which has a good compare normally; and I also can use GitLab's compare on
> the server-side to see diffs), or whether relevant diffs might get lost due
> to formatting diffs or something?
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[Framers] CudSpan's HuntOverrides - w/FrameMaker 2015 (FrameMaker 13) ?

[Monique Semp]

Has anyone used CudSpan’s Hunt (Pgf) Overrides with FrameMaker 2015 (FrameMaker 
13)? On the CudSpan Plug-Ins page, it lists only up to FrameMaker 11. It’s 
seems that my old version (back many years ago) is working fine, but I don’t 
know if it’s missing anything or having some sort of unintended consequence?

-Monique
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[Framers] ExtendScript for save as text, for Git usage ?

[Monique Semp]

Would it be an option for you to keep a copy of every FM document in plain 
text? This is not as cumbersome as it sounds, since you can install an 
Extendscript which saves the plain text copy automatically whenever you 
choose File > Save. I've set up something similiar to have a readable copy 
for Git version management. If you're interested, I can post the 
Extendscript on the mailing list.


Hi Jo,

I'm also using Git, and the option of having a plaintext version for Git 
compares sounds appealing. Can you elaborate on the process you're using, 
anything to look out for, and post the script?


I can see great potential for this, but wonder whether extraneous info will 
clutter up a Git compare (I'm using the SourceTree GUI client on Windows, 
which has a good compare normally; and I also can use GitLab's compare on 
the server-side to see diffs), or whether relevant diffs might get lost due 
to formatting diffs or something?


Thanks much,
-Monique 


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Re: [Framers] Save doc/book in older FM-version

[Klaus Daube]

Hello framers,

Lin Sims had the idea to add "Save as MIF".
Hence I updated the script in http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker73.html

- Save as MIF always saves in the 'current' MIF version. 
  Trying to use for example Constants.FV_SaveFmtInterchange100 within FM-13
  does not save anything. 
- The dialogue is now a palette to allow handling of multiple open items.

I will put this script into Scott's database.
Klaus
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Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

[Monique Semp]

 you can use the content layer to contain detailed descriptions of 
everything that is defined in the template, and even a change history as 
the template evolves. Self-documentation is a really powerful tool for 
templates and stylesheets because I've never met anyone who can remember 
all the details for more than a day or so.


Excellent point, and happily this is something that I've been doing. Indeed, 
it really served me well in this client's case because I was the one that 
set up all the templates many years ago, used them for several years, and 
then had a 4+ year break working for other clients. When I returned to this 
client (and FrameMaker, which I hadn't been using at all in this interlude), 
and boy was I glad that I had lots of explanations and examples of pretty 
much every char and para format, and lots about the variables as well.


Re template best practices: Something that I'd recommend is including a 
variable that identifies the template "version". I have a variable named, 
"__templateLastUpdated" (the double-underscore puts it at the end of the 
variables list, which is nice because I don't need to see this very often), 
and set it to ", , ". This way I can 
look at any .fm file in any book, look at the variable value, and know if it 
matches the current template or not. This mitigates the need for keeping a 
spreadsheet/wiki page to list all the docs and all their files and all their 
template versions.


And so for the conditional "template", I'll add another variable (something 
like, "__conditionTemplate") so that in any real doc file I can easily tell 
which "style" template is in use *and* which "conditional" template is in 
use.


Great tips, everyone!
-Monique


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Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

[Fred Ridder]

And since each of these format/variable/condition templates is only used to 
overlay FrameMaker layers that don't contain document content, you can use the 
content layer to contain detailed descriptions of everything that is defined in 
the template, and even a change history as the template evolves. 
Self-documentation is a really powerful tool for templates and stylesheets 
because I've never met anyone who can remember all the details for more than a 
day or so.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Monique Semp 
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:02 AM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

> You could keep the conditions in a separate file.

Ah, and just treat that file as a "template", and use it to import the
relevant conditions into the applicable docs' .fm files? I like that idea.
It would be easy to create a template_conditions_prod1.fm file, a
template_conditions_prod2.fm file, and so on, and then just use those to
make sure that every .fm file in a given book gets the same conditions.

And by extension, I could mimic this for other template elements, such as
variables.

Thanks for the idea!
-Monique

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Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

[Monique Semp]

I have been wishing for a feature like that for some time, but one that 
would also handle variable values.


For variable management, I'd recommend taking a look at Leximation's 
BookVars plugin: http://leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php.


-Monique 


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Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

[Keith Soltys]

I have been wishing for a feature like that for some time, but one that would 
also handle variable values.

The wonderful SmartDocs add-in for Word does that - they have a feature called 
Snapshots in which you specify both variable values and conditional text 
settings. You can have multiple Snapshots for a document.

Frame could really use something like that.

Regards
Keith

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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+keith.soltys=tmx@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Monique Semp
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:03 AM
To: Robert Lauriston ; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

> You could keep the conditions in a separate file.

Ah, and just treat that file as a "template", and use it to import the relevant 
conditions into the applicable docs' .fm files? I like that idea.
It would be easy to create a template_conditions_prod1.fm file, a 
template_conditions_prod2.fm file, and so on, and then just use those to make 
sure that every .fm file in a given book gets the same conditions.

And by extension, I could mimic this for other template elements, such as 
variables.

Thanks for the idea!
-Monique

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Re: [Framers] conditions - in templates vs. applicable docs ?

[Monique Semp]

You could keep the conditions in a separate file.


Ah, and just treat that file as a "template", and use it to import the 
relevant conditions into the applicable docs' .fm files? I like that idea. 
It would be easy to create a template_conditions_prod1.fm file, a 
template_conditions_prod2.fm file, and so on, and then just use those to 
make sure that every .fm file in a given book gets the same conditions.


And by extension, I could mimic this for other template elements, such as 
variables.


Thanks for the idea!
-Monique

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Re: [Framers] Find/change problems in large documents

[Shmuel Wolfson]

When it says that nothing is found, is that in a single open file or in 
a book? I've found that there are times when I'm searching through a 
book and for some reason FrameMaker does not search though some of the 
chapters in the book. My theory is that when FrameMaker has a problem 
opening a file in the book, the search just skips it. This is a serious 
bug if you ask me. It would not be so serious if FrameMaker would say 
that some files were skipped, but I don't think this always happens. 
(Perhaps in the newer version.) I often open all the files in the book 
before performing a search.


As far as it happening sometimes and not other times, it may be a RAM 
issue, which is affected by which other program you currently running 
and possibly even previously used programs since the computer was 
started. If you are working on the files that are on a server, 
FrameMaker may be skipping files that it can't access within a certain 
amount of time.


--
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Technical Writer
058-763-7133

On 01-Jun-16 2:51 AM, Weckman Mari wrote:

Hi,



We are using structured FrameMaker for law editing and some of the documents 
are extremely large, nearly 3 MB though they include only text.

Are there some restrictions to the size of the documents in which FrameMaker’s 
Find should work?

Or are there restrictions to the length of the string that can be searched via 
Find?



Peculiar thing is that some days we manage to work all day long with 
Find/Change and some days it stops working after just a few times and says 
nothing is found.



We use FrameMaker version 10 via Citrix but the same problem also exists using 
FrameMaker locally.



With kind regards,


Mari Weckman

Editor’s assistant

Talentum Pro / Alma Talent

mari.weck...@almamedia.fi
Itämerenkatu 23, 00180 Helsinki, Finland
PL 920, 00101 Helsinki, Finland

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